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Aircraft Cannibalization In India | Heartbreaking  
User currently offlinedeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 32618 times:

The last two years have been very sad for Indian Aviation due to a certain airline going bust, but not only did it loose money, it completely dismembered alot of its fleet (which btw, did not belong to them).

This is a 6 year old aircraft, but looks like it is ready for the scrapyard.

All photographs are mine and taken by me, sorry for the small size.




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User currently offlinepennphila From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32565 times:

Very sad. Owner must be upset to say the least. Hope things turn around for you guys over in India. Wish you all the best!

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32396 times:

Sad, a six year old A320?
I think what Kingfisher did to those planes that dont belong to them is a criminal act or close to it. A few years back I flew on a Kingfisher A320, in good shape, and it was the most comfortable domestic plane I was on in India, ahead of Indigo, Go Air, Jetconnect, AI and Spicejet...
Well, Vijay Mallya seems to be fine off still, he arrived in his red Bentley and was proudly sitting next table when I was at a restaurant opening in Goa last weekend.


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32323 times:
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Even aircraft that can fly away from India head to the scrappers---for example Jet Connect sent two 737-700's to the scrap yard yesterday----I simply cannot understand why any lessor would do business in India

User currently offlineirish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 969 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 32115 times:

Ex-Kingfisher A320 msn 2531 (formerly VT-KFF) arrived at Dublin today from Istanbul. It is now registered EI-EYA.

User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2320 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 32015 times:

It looks like the A/C in the pictures is an A321 and not an A320..


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User currently offlineirish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 969 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 31577 times:

Quoting irish251 (Reply 4):
Ex-Kingfisher A320 msn 2531 (formerly VT-KFF) arrived at Dublin today from Istanbul. It is now registered EI-EYA.

Actually this turns out to be an A319 msn 2621. It is ex-VT-KFH.


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 31495 times:

Quoting irish251 (Reply 4):

Any idea who it's going to? Or is it being scrapped?



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User currently offlineirish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 969 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 31096 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 7):
Any idea who it's going to? Or is it being scrapped?

Further storage for now but I doubt there are any plans to scrap it.

EI-EYA A319-131


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User currently offlineheavy747 From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 29208 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 5):

It looks like the A/C in the pictures is an A321 and not an A320..

I agree. In the pic of the empty fuselage, there is a door there in between windows. A319's and A320's have window exits. The A321 is the only one equipped with 4 actual doors.



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User currently offlinejagflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3513 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 28536 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 3):

Is the aircraft not the property of the leasing company? How can an aircraft be cannibalized like the one above without any repercussions from the leasing company? When you lease a car, you are required to bring it back with no damage or you must pay the cost to fix said damages. In this case, the plane cannot be repaired and it's original value must be reclaimed by the leasing company.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13088 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 28416 times:

Don't leasing companies have better monitoring of their leased aircraft ? It can't be that difficult to do so and it would be in their best interest to do so, to prevent a major devaluation of their property.

User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 25422 times:

Quoting jagflyer (Reply 10):
In this case, the plane cannot be repaired and it's original value must be reclaimed by the leasing company.

Reclaimed from whom? The company operating the aircraft is no longer in business. The original promoters of the company either have no money to or do not want to pay up. The authorities of the airport where the plane is parked won't release it unless they reclaim their landing and parking charges, which, as mentioned above, won't materialize from the former operators. The leasing company which wants to repossess the airplane will have to pay up not only to make the aircraft airworthy again, but also has to clear all the dues that the former operator has run up. In most cases, it is cheaper to buy a new airplane.


This is not the first time such an incident is happening in India. There are many such abandoned aircraft in a number of Indian airports. People doing business with operators who do not have a good background in the sector, need to be extra careful. The scumbag who owned Kingfisher is known to be a shady and flamboyant character who has not only run his company into the ground, but also defrauded his lessors, kept his own employees his near-slave like condition for months and used his political clout to extract untold millions from Indian state owned banks (and he isn't paying them back too). And he is still a free man.

The Kingfisher saga is the worst example of crony capitalism that one can ever encounter.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 24755 times:

Even though im not a big fan of airbus planes, its really sad to see these images, especially that of a 6 year old aircraft. I actually cant believe they would do something like this (not only the aircraft, but they way the airline was run into the ground), but I guess that's what happens when greedy people run the show...


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User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23325 times:

I don't want to be rude but who want that aircraft? I mean look at the photos ... the interiors, especially the cockpit looks very dirty (lot of dust or sand) and worn, and thats not only by the process of parting-out I guess. The age of an aircraft is irrrelevant if it's in bad condition.

The 777s which Air India want to get rid off comes in my mind. If the aircraft are in similar condition, no wonder that nobody wants them.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3747 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22446 times:

I'm pretty sure the lessor will have an insurance covering that kind of scenario, especially if they're doing business in India or such places.

Still, there will be a long legal battle and it's anybody's guess how that goes...



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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22160 times:

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Well, Vijay Mallya seems to be fine off still, he arrived in his red Bentley and was proudly sitting next table when I was at a restaurant opening in Goa last weekend.

Shameless character, and an example of how political connections and corruption protect the rich and the criminal much more in India than in other countries.


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1622 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 20733 times:

It is obvious that someone is living in the cargo bay. Where was airport security?

Actually, the airplane is not in that bad of shape. The leasors can come in, replace the missing instruments and parts, clean it up and fly it out for a complete D check and overhaul. Just depends on if they want to spend the money or take the insurance money and write it off.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12111 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19507 times:
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Whats the condition of the outside like on those grounded Kingfisher aircraft?

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19508 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 15):

I'm pretty sure the lessor will have an insurance covering that kind of scenario, especially if they're doing business in India or such places.

True, but things may get to the point where an insurer may not want to underwrite an aircraft leased to an Indian lessor.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):

It is obvious that someone is living in the cargo bay. Where was airport security?

I was wondering about that myself. At least the frames in Dublin will be subjected to cleaner air and fewer vagrants.

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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19355 times:

It was most like security assigned to guard the aircraft who set up a bunk arrangement inside, likely to handle their duty in rotating shifts.

User currently offlineCairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18545 times:

Never mind the stripping of parts....that aircraft looks like it never saw a moment of basic cleaning or any form of mechanical upkeep. Shameful, and perhaps if that is how companies in a given area operate, then perhaps the leasing companies should take their business to someplace less risky. Let the airlines there shell out some bucks for a plane sitting unused in the desert...then they can destroy it on their own dime.

User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1714 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18332 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 2):
ahead of Indigo, Go Air, Jetconnect, AI and Spicejet...

Therein lies the problem. India has massive excess capacity in its airlines. I read a story about a near miss between a KingFisher A320 and JetAirways 738. Both planes were carry a TOTAL of 87 passengers.


User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18301 times:

Such a shame that Kingfisher had a criminal at the helm, a few years ago i flew LHR - Mumbai - Bangkok on A330 and A319. There were very comfy, with exceptional cabin crew in my opinion.


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User currently offlinetommyy From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 18104 times:

Does anybody know what is the story of he A330's sitting in Zurich for the past few months ?

User currently offlinedeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18717 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 3):

Even aircraft that can fly away from India head to the scrappers---for example Jet Connect sent two 737-700's to the scrap yard yesterday----I simply cannot understand why any lessor would do business in India

These birds are young and still have a high residual value, they will not be scrapped.

Quoting jagflyer (Reply 10):
Is the aircraft not the property of the leasing company? How can an aircraft be cannibalized like the one above without any repercussions from the leasing company?

Put simply, yes it is and an aircraft cannot be legally cannibalized.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 11):
Don't leasing companies have better monitoring of their leased aircraft ? It can't be that difficult to do so and it would be in their best interest to do so, to prevent a major devaluation of their property.

Monitoring an aircraft which is flying thousands of miles from the lessor is difficult, at best, it can be examined every few months, it takes just days to cannibalize an aircraft.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):
It is obvious that someone is living in the cargo bay. Where was airport security?
Quoting sankaps (Reply 20):
It was most like security assigned to guard the aircraft who set up a bunk arrangement inside, likely to handle their duty in rotating shifts.

No, those are sand bags, as the aircraft had no engines, they were placed to keep the centre of gravity towards the centre of the aircraft.

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 23):
Such a shame that Kingfisher had a criminal at the helm, a few years ago i flew LHR - Mumbai - Bangkok on A330 and A319. There were very comfy, with exceptional cabin crew in my opinion.

Yes, their product was very good, shame this happened.

Quoting tommyy (Reply 24):
Does anybody know what is the story of he A330's sitting in Zurich for the past few months ?

Either of the following, being repaired, is pending a legal battle in London or just waiting to be leased again. The 330's were quite badly cannibalized too.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8341 posts, RR: 7
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18628 times:
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Quoting tommyy (Reply 24):
Does anybody know what is the story of he A330's sitting in Zurich for the past few months ?

Seems the A330 escaped intact from India since Kingfisher stopped LHR flying first.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18389 times:

deaphen, if this is about IT aircraft, why have you put the title as

Quoting deaphen (Thread starter):
Aircraft Cannibalization In India | Heartbreaking

Isn't that misleading?

It leads to these sort of comments.....

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 14):
The 777s which Air India want to get rid off comes in my mind. If the aircraft are in similar condition, no wonder that nobody wants them.


I thin the thread title should be changed to point at IT specifically.....


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18249 times:

Quoting deaphen (Reply 25):
for example Jet Connect sent two 737-700's to the scrap yard yesterday----I simply cannot understand why any lessor would do business in India

These birds are young and still have a high residual value, they will not be scrapped.

The two 737-700s from Jet Konnect are both early examples (#138 and #152 from 1998). Given that they have gone to eCube at St Athan where A320s, A318s and B736s have all been scrapped, I don't think we can be certain that they are going to survive. But we are getting off topic .....  



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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7567 posts, RR: 3
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18065 times:

Especially given that 3 U2 B737-700's and 2 Austrian B737-700's have ended their days at Kemble in the last couple of years.

User currently offlinedeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16815 times:

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 28):
The two 737-700s from Jet Konnect are both early examples (#138 and #152 from 1998)

Quite right, but this example is a bird with her first flight in 2006. Much younger.



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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 16649 times:

Quoting deaphen (Reply 25):

No, those are sand bags, as the aircraft had no engines, they were placed to keep the centre of gravity towards the centre of the aircraft.

You may be right. Was thrown off by the bottle of mineral water in the phot, made it look like someone's living quarters!


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16318 times:
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Quoting deaphen (Reply 25):
These birds are young and still have a high residual value, they will not be scrapped.

Sorry but you are wrong---they are being scrapped


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16216 times:

Quoting deaphen (Reply 30):
Quite right, but this example is a bird with her first flight in 2006. Much younger.

Can you confirm the tail number please, and the fact that it is an A321?


User currently offlinegatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16240 times:

Quoting deaphen (Reply 25):
These birds are young and still have a high residual value, they will not be scrapped.

Based off the interior pics you provided, I can't even imagine what the engines, flight surfaces and landing gear looks like. I am sure they are more or less completely stripped and there is no way these IT aircraft are preserved externally for long term storage. The cost to re-engine these birds and get them up to spec for flight will likely outweigh the cost of scrapping them (there isn't much left of them at this point anyways). Next, stop, my local grocery store as beer cans...



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15998 times:

The pictures in the first post are gone?


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User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2211 posts, RR: 8
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15946 times:

Cant see the pics just the first and last... such a shame IT was run by a thief...


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15947 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 22):
Therein lies the problem. India has massive excess capacity in its airlines. I read a story about a near miss between a KingFisher A320 and JetAirways 738. Both planes were carry a TOTAL of 87 passengers.

All domestic flights I had in India over the past 2 years (about 10 flights) were full or almost full.

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 14):
The 777s which Air India want to get rid off comes in my mind. If the aircraft are in similar condition, no wonder that nobody wants them.

The stored 777 I saw at BOM last week didnt look very good.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15885 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
The pictures in the first post are gone?
Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 36):
Cant see the pics just the first and last...

Deaphen's photobucket account is out of bandwidth, hence the "look who's popular" notice.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2923 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 15865 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 31):
You may be right. Was thrown off by the bottle of mineral water in the phot, made it look like someone's living quarters!

That's not a bottle of water, it's an aerosol spray can.



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User currently onlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 795 posts, RR: 8
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15366 times:

Search 'Aircraft Canbalization India' on google images and the pictures will show there.

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User currently offlineflywrite From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14810 times:
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It's so sad to see airliners in this kind of state, especially when they usually have life in them. There are some similar images in the new Mumbai Airports Through Time book, such as this one:

http://www.destinworld.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/mumbai-airports-through-time/16-img_4461.jpg


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14263 times:

Wow! Pathetic. Have not seen such a careless, ugly, scrap-littered scene ever at any major commercial airport in the world! Any idea when this photo was taken, and was it as BOM or Juhu?

User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7567 posts, RR: 3
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14219 times:

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a320-97.htm

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...320/097,VT-EPT-Indian-Airlines.php

This site indicates Delhi, (post 2009).


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14127 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 42):
Wow! Pathetic. Have not seen such a careless, ugly, scrap-littered scene ever at any major commercial airport in the world!

The place in the middle of BOM airport where currently some A310s (among them a colourful one that I couldnt identify) are being cut up (very close to the stored AI 787s/777) doesnt look much better. There are also engineless Jet AW 737s standing around a few hundreds meters away in direct neighbourhood to a large slum (the nearest shacks are less than a 100 m away). Dismantling work is very slow, I´ve been past that place several times in recent years, hardly any movements)


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13988 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 43):

This site indicates Delhi, (post 2009).

Do we know that it is the same aircraft? Airfleets says VT-EPT is stored, the aircraft pictured above does not looked stored, it appears to have been in an advanced state of being scrapped when the photo was taken.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13977 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 45):
Do we know that it is the same aircraft? Airfleets says VT-EPT is stored, the aircraft pictured above does not looked stored, it appears to have been in an advanced state of being scrapped when the photo was taken.

"Stored" in India means usually that a plane is in a state of scrapping. Those fleetlists cant always get up-to-date data from there. Several old Indian A320s have been scrapped or a about being cannibalized.


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13944 times:

Quoting na (Reply 46):
"Stored" in India means usually that a plane is in a state of scrapping. Those fleetlists cant always get up-to-date data from there. Several old Indian A320s have been scrapped or a about being cannibalized.

Yes, I can believe that. However why then would a photo of an aircraft being scrapped in DEL land up in a book on Mumbai's airports?


User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7567 posts, RR: 3
Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13674 times:

Hello Na,

Are you able to confirm the colour schemes of the A310's, and if they are freighters.

Many thanks.

David


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13627 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 45):
Airfleets says VT-EPT is stored

Airfleets says Scrapped
Planespotters says Stored


User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1806 posts, RR: 9
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13509 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 49):
Planespotters says Stored

Planespotters.net shows...

std at DEL 2009
Broken up 2011 at DEL
Preserved at Sai Museum, Sai Baba Temple since March 2012 [fuselage only]


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13455 times:

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 50):
Planespotters.net shows...

std at DEL 2009
Broken up 2011 at DEL
Preserved at Sai Museum, Sai Baba Temple since March 2012 [fuselage only]

Thanks. But the question still remains, do we know for sure if the scrapped aircraft pictured VT-EPL? And if it is, what is it doing in a book about Mumbai airports?


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13457 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 48):

Hello Na,

Are you able to confirm the colour schemes of the A310's, and if they are freighters.

Many thanks.

David

I have seen a freighter in a colourful scheme unknown to me (orange, blue and yellow stripes), and two AI (pax) A310s, one in the old, one in the current livery. The one in new colours is largely dismantled, just a hull with wings.
The AI 777 that I saw stored last week was already stored in december, I have just checked my photos.


User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7567 posts, RR: 3
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days ago) and read 13158 times:

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a310-544.htm


http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=945084

I think that this aircraft is the freighter with the Orange, Blue and Yellow bands.

However, the Air India aircraft are proving more tricky.

I suspect that the aircraft in the old colour scheme is VT-AIB, and the other is either VT-EJG, VT-EJJ or VT-EJK.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13004 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 42):
Wow! Pathetic. Have not seen such a careless, ugly, scrap-littered scene ever at any major commercial airport in the world!

A scrap yard, in which a plane is being broken up, will look more or less the same anywhere in the world......don't know what you find "careless" or "ugly" about the site in the pic......

Quoting sankaps (Reply 42):
Any idea when this photo was taken, and was it as BOM or Juhu?

No way an A320 can land at Juhu airport.....


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12896 times:

If parts are worth more than the frame itself lessors may prefer just to sell parts and leave metal in India. India is world's dump yard for scrap metal. I am guessing there is no heavy equipment to cut and compress large metal structures in India.

US secures retired planes is to avoid illegal sale of aircraft components to sanctioned countries. They always remove all electronics from military aircraft before they store in open space.

Here is a nice slide show.

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com...edible-airplane-graveyards?image=0


User currently offlineRickNRoll From Afghanistan, joined Jan 2012, 813 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12782 times:

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 36):
Cant see the pics just the first and last... such a shame IT was run by a thief...

Is it possible that the cannibalisation is more than just that, but outright theft? The amount of parts missing seems to indicate more than just grabbing a few parts here and there to fix something.


User currently offlinejagflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3513 posts, RR: 4
Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12697 times:

Where are the parts going and who is cannibalizing the aircraft? Kingfisher no longer exists so they obviously are not putting the parts on other planes. Is someone selling the parts off to other carriers (most likely without proper airworthiness certificates/traceability).


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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12305 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 54):
A scrap yard, in which a plane is being broken up, will look more or less the same anywhere in the world......don't know what you find "careless" or "ugly" about the site in the pic......

I agree, but is this a scrap yard only? If it is BOM, then it is right next to the main runway in a fully operational commercial airport. Junk and debris like this can create hazardous conditions given how close it is to the runways.


User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7567 posts, RR: 3
Reply 59, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12180 times:

My reason for thinking that the A320 in reply 41 was VT-EPT is that it seems to be Indian Airlines.

VT-EPT seems to be the only Indian Airlines A320 that did not go to Air India.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 60, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12045 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 53):
I think that this aircraft is the freighter with the Orange, Blue and Yellow bands.

Thats it, yes.

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 53):
However, the Air India aircraft are proving more tricky.

I suspect that the aircraft in the old colour scheme is VT-AIB, and the other is either VT-EJG, VT-EJJ or VT-EJK.

The one in the current livery has red tape over titles, registration and even over the IATA logo. Judging from the length of the sticker covering the name and the little individual differences at the tail I am pretty sure its EJK. That plane is basically gone, just a hulk left.


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1622 posts, RR: 7
Reply 61, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11789 times:

Theft is indeed a possibility. I noticed that one of the FMC's was still in place. That is a very valuable piece of equipment!


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 62, posted (1 year 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 11089 times:

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2zstw5d.jpg


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 63, posted (1 year 4 months 16 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 62):

That just makes you angry, doesn't it?



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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 64, posted (1 year 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 10900 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 62):

KarelXWB -- the photo of the KF aircraft you posted above was taken by me, incidentally, in DEL. And this was when KF was still in operation! They had no shame or care even then -- just superficial glamour.


User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 10657 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 64):
was taken by me

just out of curiosity do you know the regi of this a/c?



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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (1 year 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 10642 times:

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 65):

just out of curiosity do you know the regi of this a/c?

No, did not note that but recall it was a former Air Deccan registration.


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1622 posts, RR: 7
Reply 67, posted (1 year 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 10401 times:

For people that love and respect airplanes, these are outrageous pictures. It is nothing less than vandalism and those responsible should be charged.

Poor insurance companies. They are going to eat these. I would demand mega bucks before I leased an airplane in India since they don't have a great risk record and obviously very little security around the planes.



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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 68, posted (1 year 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 10329 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 67):
I would demand mega bucks before I leased an airplane in India since they don't have a great risk record and obviously very little security around the planes.

Don't think security is an issue -- as a matter of fact it is tight in India. These cannibalizations are likely the result of deliberate decisions by KF management (to sell / loan / swap with other aircraft, etc).


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Reply 69, posted (1 year 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 10207 times:
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Quoting aloges (Reply 63):
That just makes you angry, doesn't it?

This is money, so no emotions required. It is going to make it tougher for other Indian airlines to lease aircraft. For example, inspections or higher lease rates.

Quoting sankaps (Reply 64):
They had no shame or care even then -- just superficial glamour.

It makes me realize how superficial the 'King of good times' really is.

It also exposes some huge flaws in Indian aviation that I want corrected so that the Indian aviation industry grows as it should and helps the Indian economy grow. The chance of reforms? Sigh...

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 70, posted (1 year 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 9870 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 64):
the photo of the KF aircraft you posted above was taken by me, incidentally, in DEL

I can only say 1 thing: nice catch! We now have a clear image on what to think about the aircraft cannibalization in India. I never realized it was that bad.



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