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Sri Lankan To Order 10 A330/350  
User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 664 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10417 times:

Not confirmed but makes sense in view of their Airbus widebody experience:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/bus...nka-to-get-10-new-airbus-aircraft/

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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4825 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10370 times:

The article states "The carrier operates a fleet of 22 aircraft -- six A340-300 aircraft, seven A330-200/243, eight A320-200 and one De Havilland Twin Otter".

Order has placed for 6 A333s + 4 A359s so 10 aircraft have been ordered to replace 13 long haul jets? Doesnt add up does it.

Looks like for the future UL's long haul fleet will solely consist of the A359 which is sensible indeed but definitely 13 minimum need to be ordered. The A333s will likely be an interim capacity bridge aircraft which shall be returned back to Airbus once the A359s get gradually delivered.


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10285 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
Order has placed for 6 A333s + 4 A359s so 10 aircraft have been ordered to replace 13 long haul jets? Doesnt add up does it.

I think their priority is to replace their oldest frames, being the 6 x A340s. The 6 x 333 do that, and they are no doubt fine for Colombo to Europe, Australia and most of Asia, especially if the 242t latest version on offer.

A359s coming later open up Americas. They may well keep some or all of the newer A332s.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31239 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10186 times:
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Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
Looks like for the future UL's long haul fleet will solely consist of the A359 which is sensible indeed but definitely 13 minimum need to be ordered.

As JerseyFlyer noted, even at MZFW the latest-spec A330-300 can reach almost all of Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia from CMB so at nominal payloads all four continents would be within range.

That leaves the A350-900 to open up new services to the Americas, again, as JerseyFlyer suggested.


User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10148 times:

Thats great news for them. They could certainly use additional capacity for tourists and their growing economy. Since the war ended everything is upward and onward. The airport is also under construction and expanding. There is only one international airport for the entire nation though.

User currently offlineAirMale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9987 times:

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 4):

Sri Lanka has now 2 international airports:

Colombo Airport (CMB)
and
Hambantota Airport (HRI)



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User currently offlinePacificF27 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9909 times:
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Now two airports. The new airport in Hambantota opened in mid March. First flight was an A340.


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User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
has placed for 6 A333s + 4 A359s so 10 aircraft have been ordered to replace 13 long haul jets? Doesnt add up does it. ]

Apparently they are also leasing 3 359 s from 2017 onwards

Karan


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9534 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 2):
A359s coming later open up Americas. They may well keep some or all of the newer A332s.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
That leaves the A350-900 to open up new services to the Americas, again, as JerseyFlyer suggested.

Well that is just a disaster waiting to happen (not that UL is well run to begin with).


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9471 times:

Great news for Sri Lankan & Airbus 

The 343´s is getting worn out, the A333HGW and 359 are to be a match made in heaven

Cheers   



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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9084 times:

Now hopefully Sri Lanka will spend a bit of money on supporting their tourism framework to fill those planes.

The last three people I spoke to did not come back with glowing reports.


User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9067 times:
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If this is true, congrats to Sri Lankan!   They've come a very long way, joining One World as well!

User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3274 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8815 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 8):
Well that is just a disaster waiting to happen (not that UL is well run to begin with).

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 2):
A359s coming later open up Americas.

What routes would be likely? Colombo to New York is roughly fourteen and a half thousand kilometres. A route like that would require a stop, perhaps in Moscow?



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8453 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 12):
What the hell is that supposed to mean?

I meant a financial disaster, not that anything would happen to the plane or something. I have serious doubts about the vitality of the Sri Lankan-Americas market or UL's ability to steal traffic from other carriers if they go one stop.

[Edited 2013-04-28 13:27:27]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12664 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8354 times:

More info here. First A350 delivery slated for 2019.

Quote:
"If you look at our configurations we could not standardize service," Chandrasena said.

"With the new aircraft everyone will get the same experience.

"Fuel is 50 percent of our operating costs. With newer aircraft fuel is about 40 percent. That is a huge quantum of savings."

Even after accounting for acquisition costs, a net gain of 7 to 10 percent could be made with new aircraft, he said.

Amazing, fuel is currently 50 percent of their operating costs   

[Edited 2013-04-28 13:34:20]


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User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1317 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7299 times:
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Quoting Polot (Reply 13):
I meant a financial disaster, not that anything would happen to the plane or something. I have serious doubts about the vitality of the Sri Lankan-Americas market or UL's ability to steal traffic from other carriers if they go one stop.

Canada alone has a Sri Lankan diaspora numbered in the 250,000-300,000s. These people still maintain family connections to SL and travel there using other carriers. A direct link may fit the bill. With the war over, there has been a steady increase in diaspora traffic.



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3274 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

Quoting eksath (Reply 15):
Canada alone has a Sri Lankan diaspora numbered in the 250,000-300,000s. These people still maintain family connections to SL and travel there using other carriers. A direct link may fit the bill. With the war over, there has been a steady increase in diaspora traffic.

Slightly off topic but this diaspora is predominantly Tamils from the north of the country. I'm not sure that the national carrier would be the airline of choice for many of these displaced people that may still feel persecuted by the Sri Lankan govt.

Hope to be wrong but so many atrocities committed by the state against the Tamil minority make for a long memory and the airline itself was itself targeted by the Tamil Tigers on at least one occasion (and before anyone jumps down my throat, yes I know the Tigers weren't necessarily representative of the majority of Sri Lankan Tamils).

Peace
MH



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7123 times:

Quoting eksath (Reply 15):
Canada alone has a Sri Lankan diaspora numbered in the 250,000-300,000s. These people still maintain family connections to SL and travel there using other carriers. A direct link may fit the bill. With the war over, there has been a steady increase in diaspora traffic.

Tamil issues aside, CMB is over 7000nm from Canada. How much of that diaspora is willing and/or able to pay the costs associated with operating a route that long? VFR's are frequently not the highest yielding passengers out there, and other carriers such as EK, QR, or EY are able to leverage the strength of their hubs. UL can't.

Sri Lanka can't possible be in a worse location for flights to the Americas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Antipodes_LAEA.png

[Edited 2013-04-28 16:22:35]

[Edited 2013-04-28 16:22:45]

User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1317 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6704 times:
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Quoting motorhussy (Reply 16):
I'm not sure that the national carrier would be the airline of choice for many of these displaced people that may still feel persecuted by the Sri Lankan govt.

That may be the case but the reality has shown to be different.

1. Despite calls for a boycott, there was a steady stream of travel to the island by the "refugees" even during the war. This became a torrent immediately after the end. This flow was unique enough that the Canadian gov. argued in their case for tougher restriction on requests from the island using as proof the stats showing " war refugees" were getting Canadian passports via asylum requests and then turning around and traveling to the island. This might have been because they were now armed with a Canadian passport hence enjoying a degree of immunity versus a local passport or simply because their family interest/business interests superseded any immediate threats (the rebels in the North welcomed these visits as they used as an opportunity to collect taxes). They also have their families and family interests still on the island hence their return. The majority of the Tamils live in the south which is far from the war zone.

2. Anecdotally, I can only give you my experiences on UL. If one was to travel on Sri Lankan airlines to CMB from Europe (particularly LHR-CMB), one would be surprised on how many of the passengers were actually Tamils going back to SL. I have done this flight a number of times, in both directions, and my experience has been the same.

3. In my experience, I have also encountered a lot of Indians traveling from North America to destinations in India via CMB. Most of them were taking advantage of the UL offer of an overnight hotel stay before proceeding to their final destination in India. In my discussions with them, they indicated to me that the pricing was cheaper through CMB and the opportunity to shop in Colombo (including the duty free) was another carrot. They seemed pretty cost conscious and oblivious to the extra stops etc.

These have been my anecdotal experiences on the LHR-CMB,LHR-MLE-CMB,ZRH-MLE-CMB

[Edited 2013-04-28 18:15:33]


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User currently offlineraptor72 From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

BTW: does anybody knows, if all of UL's A330 are already refurbished with their new flat-bed business class? Are the A340 getting the new business class?
Thx in advance


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3274 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Quoting eksath (Reply 18):
That may be the case but the reality has shown to be different.

Thanks Eksath, good to hear.



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2872 times:

I think UL would be better off codesharing on CX/RJ/BA/AA services to America and beyond, use its OneWorld ties when they become a member! Fanacially viable and sensible      


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