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DL Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type  
User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 749 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18877 times:

I've been trying to create one or two of these threads a year for each of the US Legacy Carriers. I pick a day (usually a Thursday since that's a fairly "typical" day for air traffic), go through the schedules for US, AA, DL, and UA, and compile the results of how many departures there are at each hub/focus city on each aircraft type. I think it is extremely interesting to see how the airlines allocate fleet resources among their major stations, and to see how things change as mergers occur and as the economy changes.

This is the thread for the 2013 summer schedule of Delta Air Lines, and the date I picked is Thursday, June 20, 2013. I have already posted the threads for UA, AA, and US, so this is the last one I'm planning on posting for now. I will include details for all stations with 50+ departures (and possibly some stations that just missed the cutoff but are significant for the airline). Note that the schedules will vary from day to day and from week to week, but these threads should be a fairly accurate snapshot of what you could expect to see if you spent all day at one of the following airports this summer.

For simplicity's sake (and to be consistent with the previous threads) I will group aircraft by body type - i.e. I will not split out 763/763ER, etc. Also, to be consistent, I will use the same codes across all threads, even if the airlines use different variations in their own schedules (e.g. 73W vs. 73G).

One final note: I did not count the E70 and E75 as mainline aircraft, but I did include a parenthetical total % mainline including the E-Jest since many people consider them to be on par with mainline aircraft from a comfort perspective.


ATL

CR2: 237
CR7: 36
CR9: 43
E75: 3
D95: 39
319: 41
320: 43
M88: 231
M90: 82
73G: 20
738: 33
752: 158
753: 11
763: 25
764: 8
332: 4
333: 5
77L: 3
744: 1

Total: 1023
68.8% mainline (69.1% including E75)


DTW

ER4: 38
CR2: 238
CR7: 34
CR9: 40
E70: 3
E75: 9
D95: 11
319: 27
320: 27
M88: 32
M90: 9
738: 12
752: 26
753: 7
763: 8
764: 2
333: 5
777: 4
744: 2

Total: 534
32.2% mainline (34.4% including E70/E75)


MSP

CR2: 158
CR7: 9
CR9: 52
E70: 10
E75: 53
319: 23
320: 36
M88: 8
M90: 53
738: 20
752: 32
753: 8
763: 5
764: 1
332: 2
333: 2
77L: 1

Total: 473
40.4% mainline (53.7% including E70/E75)


SLC

EM2: 21
CR2: 66
CR7: 36
CR9: 46
319: 22
320: 38
M90: 1
738: 19
752: 23
753: 2
763: 2
332: 1

Total: 277
39.0% mainline


LGA

ER4: 32
CR2: 4
CR7: 71
E70: 32
E75: 67
319: 12
320: 15
M88: 29
738: 4
752: 9

Total: 275
25.1% mainline (61.1% including E70/E75)


JFK

ER4: 26
CR2: 17
CR7: 4
CR9: 27
319: 7
320: 2
M88: 4
73G: 2
738: 36
752: 24
763: 17
764: 9
332: 1
333: 3
744: 2

Total: 181
59.1% mainline


LAX

CR7: 21
CR9: 19
319: 6
320: 7
738: 17
752: 22
753: 3
763: 15
77L: 3

Total: 113
64.6% mainline


CVG

ER4: 6
CR2: 50
CR7: 9
CR9: 21
320: 7
M88: 7
738: 9
752: 2
763: 1

Total: 112
23.2% mainline


MEM

ER4: 5
CR2: 44
CR7: 4
CR9: 14
D95: 2
319: 7
320: 2
M88: 11
738: 4

Total: 93
28.0% mainline


BOS

ER4: 3
CR2: 5
CR7: 5
CR9: 5
E70: 3
E75: 15
319: 7
320: 7
M88: 3
738: 11
752: 8
763: 1
332: 1
333: 1

Total: 75
52.0% mainline (76.0% including E70/E75)


ORD

ER4: 1
CR2: 5
CR7: 1
CR9: 15
E70: 2
E75: 13
D95: 7
319: 3
320: 1
M88: 4
M90: 5
752: 1

Total: 58
36.2% mainline (62.1% including E70/E75)


RDU:

ER4: 7
CR2: 9
CR7: 18
CR9: 2
E70: 1
E75: 3
320: 2
M88: 8
M90: 1
738: 2
752: 3

Total: 54
29.6% mainline (37.0% including E70/E75)


DCA

CR2: 1
CR7: 1
CR9: 10
E70: 11
E75: 2
319: 1
320: 3
M88: 13
M90: 4
738: 3
752: 4

Total: 53
52.8% mainline (77.4% including E70/E75)


MCO

ER4: 1
CR7: 1
320: 3
M88: 12
M90: 2
738: 7
752: 23
753: 3

Total: 52
96.2% mainline


Also, I feel like I should probably include SEA because of its importance to DL as an international gateway, even thought it falls just shy of the 50-departure mark.

SEA

CR7: 1
319: 2
320: 1
738: 5
752: 19
753: 5
763: 10
333: 2
744: 1

Total: 46 (97.8% mainline)


SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18882 times:

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
ATL

CR2: 237
CR7: 36
CR9: 43
E75: 3
D95: 39
319: 41
320: 43
M88: 231
M90: 82
73G: 20
738: 33
752: 158
753: 11
763: 25
764: 8
332: 4
333: 5
77L: 3
744: 1

Total: 1023
68.8% mainline (69.1% including E75)

jeesh. Just an amazing amount of capacity. Also the largest station for DC9, 319, 320, 330, 763, 753,752, M88,M90 and 73W flying so basically every type beside the 738, 777 and 747. (also 764 by 1 flight) Thats pretty amazing IMO

*and I personally would like to see that 320 number traded for top in 738 flying.....*



yep.
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3464 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18778 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 1):
jeesh. Just an amazing amount of capacity. Also the largest station for DC9, 319, 320, 330, 763, 753,752, M88,M90 and 73W flying so basically every type beside the 738, 777 and 747. (also 764 by 1 flight) Thats pretty amazing IMO

*and I personally would like to see that 320 number traded for top in 738 flying.....*

Indeed, that's over 700 daily flights, the most any single airline has ever had an at airport. At peak times in the past DL has never ran more than 660 daily mainline flights until this year. I'd love to see the seat count for this summer, it'll easily be approaching 140,000 daily seats if my calculations are correct.

Jeremy


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18703 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 2):

and it could get larger as 50 seat flying gets pulled back. I expect to see a solid 60 or so flights with the 717, maybe more.

Also i think ATL has the highest mainline % of any hub in the country. (without looking)



yep.
User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 749 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18686 times:

I'm a huge fan of the DL widebody schedule this summer, so here is a complete listing (using DL's own aircraft codes as listed in the e-timetable):

SEA-MSP 2x 763
SEA-DTW 1x 763
SEA-ATL 1x 76W
SEA-JFK 1x 76W
SEA-CDG 1x 76W
SEA-AMS 2x 333
SEA-NRT 1x 744
SEA-HND 1x 76W
SEA-KIX 1x 76W
SEA-PEK 1x 76W
SEA-PVG 1x 76W

PDX-ATL 1x 763
PDX-AMS 1x 333
PDX-NRT 1x 76W

SFO-MSP 1x 763
SFO-DTW 1x 763
SFO-ATL 3x 763
SFO-NRT 1x 76W

LAX-MSP 2x 763
LAX-DTW 4x 763
LAX-ATL 1x 76W, 2x 763, 1x 77L
LAX-JFK 4x 76W
LAX-HNL 1x 76W
LAX-NRT 1x 77L
LAX-HND 1x 76W
LAX-SYD 1x 77L

SLC-ATL 1x 763
SLC-CDG 1x 332
SLC-HNL 1x 763

MSP-SEA 2x 763
MSP-SFO 1x 763
MSP-LAX 2x 763
MSP-LHR 1x 764
MSP-CDG 1x 332
MSP-AMS 1x 332, 2x 333
MSP-NRT 1x 77L

DTW-SEA 1x 763
DTW-SFO 2x 763
DTW-LAX 3x 763
DTW-ATL 1x 76W
DTW-GRU 1x 76W
DTW-LHR 1x 764
DTW-CDG 1x 333
DTW-AMS 3x 333, 1x 777
DTW-FRA 1x 764
DTW-FCO 1x 333
DTW-NRT 1x 744
DTW-NGO 1x 744
DTW-ICN 1x 777
DTW-PEK 1x 777
DTW-PVG 1x 777

CVG-CDG 1x 76W

ATL-SEA 1x 76W
ATL-PDX 1x 763
ATL-SFO 2x 763
ATL-LAX 1x 76W, 3x 763, 1x 77L
ATL-SAN 1x 763
ATL-SLC 1x 763
ATL-DEN 1x 763
ATL-DTW 1x 76W
ATL-FLL 1x 763
ATL-JFK 1x 764
ATL-LIM 1x 332
ATL-SCL 1x 76W
ATL-EZE 1x 767
ATL-GRU 1x 764
ATL-GIG 1x 764
ATL-JNB 1x 77L
ATL-LOS 1x 76W
ATL-DUB 1x 332
ATL-MAN 1x 332
ATL-LHR 1x 76W, 2x 764
ATL-MAD 1x 764
ATL-BCN 1x 333
ATL-CDG 2x 767
ATL-BRU 1x 76W
ATL-AMS 1x 332, 2x 333
ATL-DUS 1x 767
ATL-FRA 1x 764
ATL-STR 1x 76W
ATL-MUC 1x 764
ATL-ZRH 1x 767
ATL-MXP 1x 767
ATL-FCO 1x 333
ATL-VCE 1x 767
ATL-DXB 1x 77L
ATL-HNL 1x 333
ATL-NRT 1x 744

EWR-CDG 1x 76W
EWR-AMS 1x 76W

JFK-SEA 1x 76W
JFK-LAX 4x 76W
JFK-ATL 1x 764
JFK-GRU 1x 764
JFK-ACC-ROB 1x 767
JFK-DUB 1x 76W
JFK-LHR 1x 76W, 2x 764
JFK-MAD 1x 764
JFK-BCN 1x 333
JFK-NCE 1x 764
JFK-CDG 1x 332
JFK-BRU 1x 76W
JFK-AMS 1x 767, 1x 76W
JFK-CPH 1x 76W
JFK-FRA 1x 76W
JFK-ZRH 1x 767
JFK-MXP 1x 764
JFK-PSA 1x 76W
JFK-FCO 1x 333
JFK-VCE 1x 764
JFK-PRG 1x 76W
JFK-ATH 1x 333
JFK-IST 1x 767
JFK-SVO 1x 764
JFK-TLV 1x 744
JFK-NRT 1x 744

BOS-LHR 1x 76W
BOS-AMS 1x 332, 1x 333

HNL-LAX 1x 76W
HNL-SLC 1x 763
HNL-ATL 1x 333
HNL-NRT 1x 76W, 1x 744
HNL-NGO 1x 76W
HNL-KIX 1x 744
HNL-FUK 1x 76W

And flights from bases outside the US (not including CDG since all routes have already been included above):

AMS-SEA 2x 333
AMS-PDX 1x 333
AMS-MSP 1x 332, 2x 333
AMS-DTW 3x 333, 1x 777
AMS-ATL 1x 332, 2x 333
AMS-EWR 1x 76W
AMS-JFK 1x 767, 1x 76W
AMS-BOS 1x 332, 1x 333
AMS-BOM 1x 332

NRT-SEA 1x 744
NRT-PDX 1x 76W
NRT-SFO 1x 76W
NRT-LAX 1x 77L
NRT-MSP 1x 77L
NRT-DTW 1x 744
NRT-ATL 1x 744
NRT-JFK 1x 744
NRT-HNL 1x 76W, 1x 744
NRT-PEK 1x 76W
NRT-PVG 1x 744
NRT-TPE 1x 744
NRT-MNL 1x 744
NRT-HKG 1x 77L
NRT-BKK 1x 744
NRT-SIN 1x 77L

NGO-DTW 1x 744
NGO-HNL 1x 76W
NGO-MNL 1x 744



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3464 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18643 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 3):
and it could get larger as 50 seat flying gets pulled back. I expect to see a solid 60 or so flights with the 717, maybe more.

Also i think ATL has the highest mainline % of any hub in the country. (without looking)

I think DFW may have a higher ratio of mainline and I'm positive that MIA does, though ATL is up there. It's also interesting that FSDan used June 20, 2013, a Thursday as his date. Mondays, Fridays and Sundays have higher capacity and flights, and July has the highest capacity levels of any month; it's very likely that DL may have an additional 3-5% more capacity in July than in June, making ATL's numbers even more incredible being that they aren't showing peak capacity.

Jeremy


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2269 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18603 times:

What DL does at ATL is truly amazing. I love flying through there and seeing the sheer amount of traffic going through there.

User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 749 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18558 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 3):
Also i think ATL has the highest mainline % of any hub in the country.

AA hubs at MIA and JFK are higher percentage-wise, but those are both much smaller hubs (especially JFK). AA at DFW and US at PHX are also close to ATL, but are down by a few percentage points.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5):
It's also interesting that FSDan used June 20, 2013, a Thursday as his date. Mondays, Fridays and Sundays have higher capacity and flights, and July has the highest capacity levels of any month; it's very likely that DL may have an additional 3-5% more capacity in July than in June, making ATL's numbers even more incredible being that they aren't showing peak capacity.

I wasn't trying to capture maximum capacity here... just a "typical" summer day. It's the same thing I have done with these threads in past years. I realize that July will be up slightly from June, but it will be several more weeks before the July schedule is solidified enough to run a reasonably accurate analysis (probably just me being anal, but I like to be able to trace through the schedule for an outstation and make sure departures and arrivals align and have appropriate turnaround times for aircraft before I consider the schedule ready to look at seriously    ).



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18502 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5):
July has the highest capacity levels of any month; it's very likely that DL may have an additional 3-5% more capacity in July than in June, making ATL's numbers even more incredible being that they aren't showing peak capacity.

..add one decent afternoon thunderstorm and the system comes crashing down and then ATL becomes the biggest cluster outside of LHR in a snow shower  


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18459 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5):

I think DFW may have a higher ratio of mainline and I'm positive that MIA does, though ATL is up there. It's also interesting that FSDan used June 20, 2013, a Thursday as his date. Mondays, Fridays and Sundays have higher capacity and flights, and July has the highest capacity levels of any month; it's very likely that DL may have an additional 3-5% more capacity in July than in June, making ATL's numbers even more incredible being that they aren't showing peak capacity.

DL: ATL-68.8%
UA: SFO-56.4%
US: PHX-67.2%
AA: MIA-78.6% (DFW 62.1%)

note, JFK would also be above for AA but My minium was 150 flights per day. Its pretty hard to compete with a 90 flight a day "hub". Hell if thats the case then I'm going with the 97% DL SEA "hub"

So number two in the country.....and with 1,000 flights a day. Thats pretty damn good IMO.



yep.
User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 871 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18388 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 3):
Also i think ATL has the highest mainline % of any hub in the country. (without looking)


You are correct Delta does have the highest percentage of mainline usage in the country and what they are doing is ATL is beyond amazing. and it is good to see Delta still using widebody aircraft on domestic routes because that is something that United has now gotten away from on most hub to hub routes.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18331 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 8):

..add one decent afternoon thunderstorm and the system comes crashing down and then ATL becomes the biggest cluster outside of LHR in a snow shower

To be far this is true anywhere. The biggest issue for that is Delta's gate usage numbers.

This is one of the reasons why i expect Delta to grab any gates given up by WN/AA/UA.
ATL does have the benefit of the 5 runways to get back to normal opps. (soon to be 6 runways it sounds like)

Quoting jayunited (Reply 10):

Other than AA at MIA. But 700 mainline flights from one hub is nothing short of amazing. I will say I thought ATL would be under 200 in 50 seat RJ flying and higher in the large RJ flying. It will be interesting to see how many 50 seat flights go away and how many overall flights drop off due to the expanded capacity.



yep.
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11388 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18271 times:

I'll just add to what others have said. The DL schedule in ATL is simply incredible. Operating more than 1,000 daily departures from a single hub, connecting so many markets across the country and the world, is beyond impressive. As hubs, particularly in the U.S., go, ATL truly is in a category by itself.

User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1605 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18247 times:

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
68.8% mainline (69.1% including E75)

Arguably, you could include both the CR9 and E75 in your secondary calculation with DL - though most would agree the Embraers are more comfortable, the seating in the aircraft is configured identically (12F/64Y for the CR9 & E75) and they are largely interchangeable.

The same is basically true for the CR7 and E70, though the E70 has one extra row of Economy Comfort for a total of four more seats (9F/56Y for the CR7, 9F/60Y for the E70).


User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3886 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18064 times:

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
Total: 1023
68.8% mainline (69.1% including E75)

I'm just curious... why the special carve out for the E-jets? They are every bit as "regional" as the CRJ900.

Looks like I posted shortly after the person above me but didn't realize it. Sorry to be repetitive. Still curious though.

[Edited 2013-04-28 17:37:28]

User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 749 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18010 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
As hubs, particularly in the U.S., go, ATL truly is in a category by itself.

Agreed. In my mind, ATL is in a category by itself, with DFW also in it's own category between ATL and the likes of CLT, ORD, and IAH. I'm not sure what the next closest airline hub in the world outside the US would be in terms of number of departures... AF at CDG? One of the other major EU hubs?

Quoting steex (Reply 13):
Arguably, you could include both the CR9 and E75 in your secondary calculation with DL - though most would agree the Embraers are more comfortable

I did consider it, but realized that I don't think I have ever heard anyone compare a CR7 or CR9 to mainline in terms of comfort (though it is widely agreed that they are a significant step up from a CR2 or ER4). On the other hand, I have heard people on here say they actually prefer E-Jets to mainline because they are spacious, modern, and quicker to load/unload than most mainline aircraft.



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3886 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17930 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 15):
I did consider it, but realized that I don't think I have ever heard anyone compare a CR7 or CR9 to mainline in terms of comfort (though it is widely agreed that they are a significant step up from a CR2 or ER4). On the other hand, I have heard people on here say they actually prefer E-Jets to mainline because they are spacious, modern, and quicker to load/unload than most mainline aircraft.

But the whole point of these threads is to show the departures by a/c, not to compare comfort levels. The most interesting takeaway from your final statistics are the mainle vs. regional breakdown. The special E75 breakdown adds nothing of value to your hard work, IMO.


User currently offlinePanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17930 times:

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 14):
I'm just curious... why the special carve out for the E-jets? They are every bit as "regional" as the CRJ900.

Wider cabin than the CRJ/7/9 and more overhead bin space meaning less gate-check hassle.

What is the difference between 767 and 76W? I take it one is the code for the modded a/c..



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1605 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17851 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 15):
I did consider it, but realized that I don't think I have ever heard anyone compare a CR7 or CR9 to mainline in terms of comfort (though it is widely agreed that they are a significant step up from a CR2 or ER4). On the other hand, I have heard people on here say they actually prefer E-Jets to mainline because they are spacious, modern, and quicker to load/unload than most mainline aircraft.

Understandably, it's going to be subjective. For what it's worth, many medallion members would take a CR9 over mainline due to the favorable F/Y ratio (greater upgrade likelihood) and more comfortable FC cabin. Everyone has different priorities, of course.

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 16):
But the whole point of these threads is to show the departures by a/c, not to compare comfort levels. The most interesting takeaway from your final statistics are the mainle vs. regional breakdown. The special E75 breakdown adds nothing of value to your hard work, IMO.

Yes and no - what I like separating is mainline vs. large RJ (or RJ with premium cabin) vs. small RJ. That's why I mentioned the CR7/CR9 differentiation; with Delta, adding mainline + large RJ lets you know the percentage of departures that have a FC cabin.


User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3886 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17767 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 18):
Yes and no - what I like separating is mainline vs. large RJ (or RJ with premium cabin) vs. small RJ. That's why I mentioned the CR7/CR9 differentiation; with Delta, adding mainline + large RJ lets you know the percentage of departures that have a FC cabin

If that's the case, then the CR7/CR9/E75 should all be put together. My whole point and question, was why the E75 gets a special carve out in the statistics when the point of the OPs thread is to show the breakdown in a/c types at each main airport the airline serves. Again... the E75 is every bit as regional as the CR9 in terms of configuration and the mainline vs. regional argument. As long as Republic/Shuttle America and Compass are operating those E75s they're a regional jet, despite their comfort.


User currently offlinePanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17718 times:

From a passenger's perspective, the E-Jets are much much more comfortable in Y than the CRJ series. While the CR7/9 are better than the CR2, they still have tiny overhead bins and are narrower than the E-Jets. That was the OP's point, that from a passenger's perspective, the E-Jets are essentially equivalent in comfort to mainline if you are in Y. Of course it's all subjective..


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User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 325 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17691 times:

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
RDU:

ER4: 7
CR2: 9
CR7: 18
CR9: 2
E70: 1
E75: 3
320: 2
M88: 8
M90: 1
738: 2
752: 3

Total: 54

We're scheduled for 57 daily departures...Missing 3 flights somewhere.


User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3886 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17575 times:

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 20):
From a passenger's perspective, the E-Jets are much much more comfortable in Y than the CRJ series. While the CR7/9 are better than the CR2, they still have tiny overhead bins and are narrower than the E-Jets. That was the OP's point, that from a passenger's perspective, the E-Jets are essentially equivalent in comfort to mainline if you are in Y. Of course it's all subjective..

I'm well aware of the merits regarding the Embraer large RJ product. However, that point is moot, since this thread isn't about which planes are most comfortable.


User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1605 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17536 times:

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 19):
If that's the case, then the CR7/CR9/E75 should all be put together.

Agreed, putting all of the premium cabin RJs together was my original point as well.

Regardless, I'm nitpicking on something that FSDan took the time to put together and I did not. It doesn't impact the data being presented. Thanks again for your efforts!


User currently offlineazjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3886 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17476 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 23):
Regardless, I'm nitpicking on something that FSDan took the time to put together and I did not. It doesn't impact the data being presented. Thanks again for your efforts!

Agreed, thanks FSDan for your efforts! It is indeed nitpicking and my initial question to him was purely out of curiosity. I had no intentions on engaging in a E75 vs CRJ comfort debate, but since this is Airliners.net afterall, threads lurch off topic quickly and are often difficult to get back on track.


25 PSU.DTW.SCE : Peak summer capacity days are typically Fridays in July. Thursday June 20th is a good representation but not quite peak. There are number of addition
26 Post contains images FSDan : Good catch. I forgot RDU-TPA. Besides that, I believe I had the correct number of each type of aircraft, but I added wrong. Thank you for pointing th
27 Post contains links PSU.DTW.SCE : Here is last year versus this year from: DL Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type (by FSDan Jun 5 2012 in Civil Aviation) 2013 2012: ATL CRJ
28 flyasaguy2005 : Based on the day FSD chose, 114,629 M/L seats; 132,315 total. A few interesting notes... - 752s is providing close to 25% of the mainline lift in Atl
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : I'll agree with this point. I've had several instances where I've had delays due to thunderstorms or weather in ATL (or the oustation) but I've never
30 airtechy : It's really hard to comprehend the scale of DL's operation until you see posts like this. Atlanta just boggles the mind. Thanks a lot for posting! Jim
31 mayor : Same as ORD, DFW or any other large airport with weather problems. However, as was mentioned, ATL recovers pretty well and I'm sure at least as well
32 MSPNWA : Man, it's just all ATL. Unbelievable how big it is and still growing. Sugar coat it all you want, but Minnesotans and Michiganers are smart enough to
33 factsonly : Interesting to note that DL has now more a/c departures at AMS (19x/day), but more departing seats at NRT (17x/day):
34 southwest737500 : I hope jetBlue could snag a gate before DL takes them all haha
35 FlyASAGuy2005 : ATL is slightly down compared to last year and not near it's peak for the 2006?/2008 summer. DTW is slightly down. MSP, SLC, and JFK are largely unch
36 PSU.DTW.SCE : I honestly do not think that too many people are getting too concerned about these minimal year-over-year changes at DL on 2012 versus 2013. Not a wh
37 FSDan : MSP can also be happy about seeing a few more DL widebodies than in past years. The international network is about the same as last year for DL (+AF
38 MountainFlyer : It looks like you're right. DTW has 172 mainline vs. 191 mainline for MSP. Also, in the regional departures, DTW is very heavily weighted on the 50-s
39 BigGSFO : Agreed. It's amazing how the Atlanta operation can move so many planes, passengers, bags, cargo in any given day so effectively.
40 N521NA : Also NRT-GUM 3x 752 and NRT-SPN 2x752 Edit: Sorry, noticed you meant to show only widebody flights in your post.[Edited 2013-04-29 09:05:20]
41 xjramper : Just an FYI, the summer schedule, as stated above, typically starts in July. This may be an accurate total for June 20th, but not indicative of the a
42 bigbird : Speaking of DC-9s, what is now the plan for the cessation of DC-9 operations?
43 PSU.DTW.SCE : There is really no true summer schedule. There is a lot of variation day-to-day, week-to-week of frequency and equipment type. The June schedule is f
44 0NEWAIR0 : There are no plans for a 6th runway to my knowledge. There are, however, plans to extend the 5th runway and to add a new south terminal between the 5
45 brilondon : Excellent analysis of the DL hubs. I did not realize that DTW was as large as it was. I would suggest that BA at LHR would be one of the airline hubs
46 ncflyer : Never would have guessed that DTW outdoes all hubs to AMS--- and even MSP outdoes JFK.
47 nickofatlanta : That's likely a byproduct of the former NW and the DTW hub's long relationship with KL and AMS compared to DL's.
48 FSDan : Once you factor in KLM and the JV, DTW, ATL, and JFK all have 4 departures. DTW 15:50 DL 333 18:00 DL 333 19:40 DL 333 21:45 DL 777 ATL 15:01 DL 332
49 FlyASAGuy2005 : The plan had been put on indefinate hold a few years back. Before F Concourse was even complete. The one backer the city needed the most support from
50 DeltaRules : I'm always curious to see what DL brings to CMH given that they've consistently been one of the bigger carriers there. CMH: 738: 4 73G: 1 M88: 2 M90:
51 1337Delta764 : Interesting that they added 3 more 764ERs departures from ATL. One of them was taken from DTW, however, I wonder where those two additional 764ER depa
52 FSDan : I believe the 764 fleet is more or less maxed out with the summer schedule. MSP-LHR DTW-LHR DTW-FRA ATL-GRU (2 frames) ATL-GIG (2 frames) ATL-LHR x2
53 AVLAirlineFreq : It would be interesting to see MEM and CVG's numbers segmented by flights to other DL hubs and flights to spokes.
54 PSU.DTW.SCE : They are not necessarily adding more 764 flights in Summer 2013 versus Summer 2012, they have made adjustments on certain routes. The utilization has
55 Deltal1011man : While fights numbers were higher (nearly 1,200 flights) this is the largest year for mainline ever AFAIK early 2014 is what i have heard 6th and a 7t
56 PSU.DTW.SCE : Likely after the Christmas / New Years holiday period, when capacity is drawn-down for January/early-Feb winter schedule. A master plan is just that
57 1337Delta764 : And the 764ER still makes money for DL, especially considering their high J to Y ratio. The 764ERs are generally placed on the higher yielding intern
58 brilondon : Well that and the fact that they did not have any A330s in their fleet.
59 Deltal1011man : yeah but i have heard they may fly into May..... just rumors though. I know lol. I'm just saying. The more pressing need is for gate space(just not a
60 1337Delta764 : Even with flat beds, the 764ER will still have a higher J to Y ratio and will still have more J seats overall, which means more fare revenue. Your bi
61 1337Delta764 : DL strongly considered the A332 as an L-1011 replacement, and threatened to order the model had Boeing not come up with a near-exact L-1011 replacemen
62 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yep multiple different versions of the story, depending on the source and/or timing of the information they got: I'm not hater of the 764 but your un
63 rwy04lga : Fellas, can't we all just get along? The 764 and the 330 are both great planes, as was the L-1011.
64 1337Delta764 : Yes, but the statements made by DeltaL1011man seem to imply that the 764ER is a money losing piece of crap no matter the route, which we all know isn
65 Post contains links factsonly : A little off-topic, but we are talking DL A330s at the moment, so just for info: Flight DL0049 operated by ship N852NW of May 3rd, 2013 BOM-AMS-MSP di
66 mayor : I have no proof to deny what you've said, but just as a gut instinct and years of experience at DL, I'll call BS on both of these statements. Just ou
67 Coronado : Doing a rough calculation this seems to indicate that within 24 months Delta will have at least 780 mainline flights per day in ATL up from the curren
68 1337Delta764 : DL wanted a near exact L-1011 replacement with no exceptions or leeway whatsoever, and the A332 was the only option available; neither the 763ER nor t
69 mayor : I never denied this part, however if the A332 was ever "strongly considered" at all, it was probably just as leverage to get Boeing to build somethin
70 Deltal1011man : International long haul across the pacific Ie Japan, Korea, China etc. And ATL-HNL can't be a high yield route. It's not flown by the 764 lol All 763
71 1337Delta764 : But I am pretty sure that had Boeing said no, DL would have gone with A332, as DL was under no obligation to buy from Boeing after the EU blocked the
72 mayor : But even thought there was no "actual" exclusive contract, it seemed to me that there was a "shadow" contract with Boeing that they stuck to, whether
73 1337Delta764 : If that were the case, DL would have simply accepted Boeing's initial suggestion for ordering more 772ERs. Boeing was under great pressure to keep DL
74 Post contains images mayor : Well, I guess I didn't learn a damn thing from working there. As soon as the EU blocked the "exclusive contract", there was a systemwide "wink &
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