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Australian Aviation Thread Part 72  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 677 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20020 times:

G'day and welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 72. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Virgin Australia takes delivery of its sixth A330-200 VH-XFG 'Terrigal Beach'
* Air New Zealand announces seasonal Perth - Christchurch services with 767s
* Virgin Australia announces a new Global Wallet travel card
* Jetstar and Qantas A330s
* Qantas International operations
* QF Gala Dinner to celebrate launch of EK partnership
* Skywest/Virgin Australia's newly-acquired A320 due to be painted in the VA livery
* Jetstar A330 VH-EBS and conversion to QF spec
* Avalon Airport in talks with an International carrier
* Jetstar rumoured to be looking at removing A330s from MEL-DPS and cancelling AKL-SIN
* Emirates and Qantas marketing and advertising
* Australia and the Philippines pave way for nonstop flights from Philippines to Avalon Airport
* United 747-400s sustains damage at Melbourne Airport
* ACCC approves Virgin Australia's 60% stake in Tiger Airways
* Tiger Airways Australia operations, possible new BNE base
* Operations to regional/smaller airports in Australia
* SQ increases stake in VA (to 19.9%)
* Rumours about Qantas' Dallas operations - possible change to westbound services
* Qantas A380 deliveries in the years to come
* Virgin Australia's A330s
* Future flying for Qantas' A380s, A330s and 747s
* Qantas to lease a 747-400ERF, to be painted in the Qantas Freight scheme
* The first Fokker 50 in Virgin Australia livery is revealed
* China Southern to launch A380 services to Sydney from October
* Qatar Airways still hopeful of launching 787s on its PER services
* Qantas pushes for stronger ties with LATAM
* Emirates and Qantas - supposed strong increase in bookings to regional Australia
* Future International services from the Pilbara and Kimberleys

Australian Aviation Thread # 71

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4868 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 19950 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 167):
-QPA is currently on it's way to SIN as QF6019.

Rumours are saying for painting but i'm not 100% convinced.

The aircraft positioned into SIN to form the QF6

EK413

[Edited 2013-04-29 04:01:31]


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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days ago) and read 19881 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 1):
Quoting QF744ER (Reply 167):
-QPA is currently on it's way to SIN as QF6019.
Rumours are saying for painting but i'm not 100% convinced.

The aircraft positioned into SIN to form the QF6

Apparently QF35 MEL-SIN was cancelled, so they positioned the aircraft to cover the return leg. Must have been a busy day for them to bother flying a plane up.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19557 times:
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To pick up on the last thread, it seems crazy to me that in terms of national transport infrastructure - and for the want of $10-$20 million - there is no international airport at BME, and no international service at KTA, if only to SIN.

Broome is potentially a great tourists destination and if it is too expensive for Australians to get there (which seems equally crazy) bring in the international tourists, and not just from SIN.

Some important destinations are within the A320 or 738 range from BME/KTA, as is anywhere in Australia and for my money, this is why Australia needs a genuine LCC - one that is not beguiled by the eastern seaboard.

High fares to Broome? A halfway imaginative LCC would fly two or three times a week each from MEL/SYD/ADL-BME, even CBR, with onward service to SIN - or Lombok, or Bali, or Balikpapan or Kota Kinabalu, Penang, Langkawai, Ko Samui and even Phuket.

There's no market to Ko Samui or Langkawi, I hear you cry? Flight Centre has been doing a big campaign here for both and if there's some market from NZ there has to be a bigger market from Oz.

It can happen from DRW, I hear you cry? Sure it can, but Broome has better beaches than Darwin and a somewhat pleasanter climate. Summer's hot in Broome, sure, but it doesn't have the Silly Season that Darwin does whereby cops have to escort folk going dollaley from the summer heat to better climates.

I feel as if Australian aviation is stuck in the WW2 concept - where, in the final analysis, only the eastern seaboard was to be defended, bugger the rest of Australia.

mariner



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User currently offlineMikey86 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 19514 times:

In the previous thread there was mention about BNE rumoured for an EK A380. Does anyone have a source for this? Or know where the rumour started. I have checked the GDS and the timetable display in Sabre is still showing 77W, as per below:

¤QNZ/ZZS02OCTBNEDXB-EK«
1 EK 433 0230 1245 I BNEDXB 3 AJCYKBQLV 77W 1
2 EK 435 2100 0520*1 I BNEDXB 3 AJCYKBQLV 77W 0

Checked NOV13 and still the same.

Any info would be great.



mikey86 - Greenslopes, Queensland
User currently onlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 19500 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 4):

Should be announced soon by EK. The word I been given is it will be annouced for Oct 3rd, as EK are just waiting for frames.


User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 19407 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):

While I agree that BME should be able to attract more tourists than it currently does, is Asia the right place to attract them from? It does indeed have beautiful beaches, but there are so many places that you can find this that are much closer to SIN, and are nowhere near as expensive as BME is. Australia has priced itself out of the market for much of Asia with regards to beach holidays - CNS similarly suffers from high prices.

The DRW "hub" has been attempted by JQ somewhat feebly. It managed to do SIN, DPS, MNL-NRT but hasn't gone any further (why no CGK?). It seems that among Australian airlines, the prevailing thinking is to go for the low-hanging fruit of flights that serve SYD, MEL or BNE. So rather than stimulating or creating a market, everybody just wants their piece of the same pie.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 19382 times:
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Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 6):
While I agree that BME should be able to attract more tourists than it currently does, is Asia the right place to attract them from?

Sorry, I didn't mean that Asian tourists would just be for BME.

I think it is going to be a very long time before, say, Kota Kinabalu or Penang can can support long haul, non-stop service from/to MEL or SYD. For anyone from there going to MEL or SYD they have to connect somewhere, and why not make that somewhere on Australian soil?

So I think that BME can be used as a jumping off point for Australians going to nearer Asia and a connection point for folk coming from nearer Asia to Oz, and some might take the chance to stay in Broome for a few days.

The same could be said of DRW or KTA - I don't discount either of them.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 6):
The DRW "hub" has been attempted by JQ somewhat feebly. It managed to do SIN, DPS, MNL-NRT but hasn't gone any further (why no CGK?). It seems that among Australian airlines, the prevailing thinking is to go for the low-hanging fruit of flights that serve SYD, MEL or BNE. So rather than stimulating or creating a market, everybody just wants their piece of the same pie.

Exactly my point. And why no CGK?

I dunno that my solution is the right one - I just think there are opportunities that are being ignored.

mariner



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19259 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 7):
I think it is going to be a very long time before, say, Kota Kinabalu or Penang can can support long haul, non-stop service from/to MEL or SYD. For anyone from there going to MEL or SYD they have to connect somewhere, and why not make that somewhere on Australian soil?

Very true that BKI & PEN will take quite some time before they get non-stop service to SYD or MEL. Or for that matter USM, CEB or SUB. But I'm not sure an Australian airline would be best to serve these routes. Their cost structures wouldn't be able to compete with the likes of 5J or AK who can connect the pax over their hubs. I think that the lower ticket price will trump being able to connect in Australia for many pax.

Quoting mariner (Reply 7):
I dunno that my solution is the right one - I just think there are opportunities that are being ignored.

There certainly are. Who will be the first to grab them? I don't think Australian carriers will be.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5204 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19232 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 4):
Does anyone have a source for this? Or know where the rumour started. I have checked the GDS and the timetable display in Sabre is still showing 77W

It's pretty much confirmed internally at both EK and BNE.

If I was been cynical I would say that it hasn't been publicly announced because they're waiting to see whether PER can get their s#@* together before the end of the year. If they can then BNE might be pulled, at least on the short-term until more frames arrive.

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):
High fares to Broome? A halfway imaginative LCC would fly two or three times a week each from MEL/SYD/ADL-BME, even CBR, with onward service to SIN - or Lombok, or Bali, or Balikpapan or Kota Kinabalu, Penang, Langkawai, Ko Samui and even Phuket.

I agree 100% with your sentiment. I don't blame QF or even VA, but JQ or TT should have seen more potential in a northern hub.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 6):
So rather than stimulating or creating a market, everybody just wants their piece of the same pie.

Yep, that's why IMHO JQ or TT growth is finite in Australia, whereas FR can grown infinitely. Sure, Europe is much more densely populated than Australia, but that's almost meaningless as FR don't try to find existing passengers in the obscure places they fly to, but rather create a whole new market that didn't exist before. If FR were in Australia they would be flying 73Hs into DUB, EPR, and DPO.

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):
There's no market to Ko Samui or Langkawi, I hear you cry?

It's sad that Australian tourists heading to the Asian islands are so focussed on Bali and Phuket, arguably the least desirable two! I have no doubt that there is a market to Koh Samui, Langkawi, Krabi, Koh Lanta etc, especially if the flight price was reasonable.

Quoting mariner (Reply 7):
why no CGK?


I believe that Australia is maxed out on its bilateral right to Indonesia. Because everybody and their dog wants to fly a 737 or A320 to DPS, there are no rights left to fly to Bandung, Semarang, Medan etc, or even more frequency to CGK, which would arguably bring much greater benefits in terms of trade and investment to both the Australian and Indonesia economies. But no, DPS it is.

[Edited 2013-04-29 19:58:09]


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User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19222 times:

Darwin Airport will be expanded including a new Virgin and Qantas lounges:

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/busine...-size/story-e6frg95x-1226632286740

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-upgra...ntas-club-lounge-at-darwin-airport

Thanks


User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 19195 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
I believe that Australia is maxed out on its bilateral right to Indonesia. Because everybody and their dog wants to fly a 737 or A320 to DPS, there are no rights left to fly to Bandung, Semarang, Medan etc, or even more frequency to CGK, which would arguably bring much greater benefits in terms of trade and investment to both the Australian and Indonesia economies. But no, DPS it is.

There are currently 50 seats available per week for flights from SYD/MEL/BNE/PER to Indonesia. However flights from other cities are unlimited so JQ (or anyone) is free to fly DRW-CGK. There are also 2500 seats available from SYD/MEL/BNE/PER if there is an intermediate stop elsewhere in Australia. So an airline could run SYD-ADL-CGK or MEL-DRW-SUB if it so chooses.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25009 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 19148 times:
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Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 8):
But I'm not sure an Australian airline would be best to serve these routes. Their cost structures wouldn't be able to compete with the likes of 5J or AK who can connect the pax over their hubs. I think that the lower ticket price will trump being able to connect in Australia for many pax.

There's so more to tourist Australia than just SYD, MEL, ADL or BNE - and many tourists want to see more, especially "outback."

An intermediate connection point - BME/DRW/KTA, say - gives them the opportunity to see more of Australia, even if it just mobs of 'roos and flocks of emus and galahs, and see SYD or MEL as well, all on one ticket.

I am not suggesting daily service to everywhere or even anywhere. I'm a big fan of the Allegiant model, once or twice weekly to highly desirable places from Podunk, Nebraska. 4 x weekly is a high frequency route for Allegiant.

One day, some Australian airline exec is going to twig that Allegiant has the highest priced ($90) airline stock on Wall Street and has done for some time, despite flying ratty ol' gas guzzling aircraft and making a big bunch of it's money from ancillary revenue.

And a smart exec might work out why - and if that model might, just might, work here.

mariner

[Edited 2013-04-29 20:59:00]


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User currently offlineMikey86 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 19113 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
It's pretty much confirmed internally at both EK and BNE.

If I was been cynical I would say that it hasn't been publicly announced because they're waiting to see whether PER can get their s#@* together before the end of the year. If they can then BNE might be pulled, at least on the short-term until more frames arrive.

Awesome, thanks matey. Now here is a question - if we can the A380 will it be an additonal service added to the BNE schedule or just up-gauging?



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19024 times:

Mickey86 i was the original poster, the EK 380 is replacing the EK434-435.... 777-300 on DXB-BNE-AKL rtn.No additional flights.

Scheds will be updated late May or early June.



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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18921 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 14):
Mickey86 i was the original poster, the EK 380 is replacing the EK434-435.... 777-300 on DXB-BNE-AKL rtn.No additional flights.

Scheds will be updated late May or early June

ThankGod. EK's 777 Y class is horrid.



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18832 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 10):
Darwin Airport will be expanded including a new Virgin and Qantas lounges:

I have flown in and out of Darwin several times since I arrived here in January, and I can honestly say the place is always packed. There are four gates with jet-bridges and they always seem to be occupied, as well as 4-5 hardstands serviced by ground loading. DRW at 6am is an absolute zoo, with nary a seat in the departure lounge to be had. I just arrived on QF824, a 767 from BNE and there were no empty seats on the plane. In fact they had to do a tail swap at BNE to a different A/C as there was a rudder actuator issue, so we were transferred to an international configured 763 and some business class passengers were left behind as a result of the swap.

I believe according to the DRW masterplan they will add 2-3 more gates as well as first floor space (check-in, security and baggage claim). Looks to be well overdue IMHO.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4868 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18727 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 14):

Mickey86 i was the original poster, the EK 380 is replacing the EK434-435.... 777-300 on DXB-BNE-AKL rtn.No additional flights.

Scheds will be updated late May or early June.

Safe to say this is a direct response of the QF/EK Alliance & hopefully receive ACCC approval across the Tasman?

EK413



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User currently offlinejrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 18683 times:

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 16):
I have flown in and out of Darwin several times since I arrived here in January, and I can honestly say the place is always packed.

Agreed this work should have been carried out months ago..is QF looking to upgrade any 767 to A330?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4868 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 18657 times:

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 18):
is QF looking to upgrade any 767 to A330?

The A330 will eventually replace the B763 fleet.

EK413



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User currently offlineADDICT4QF From Australia, joined Feb 2011, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 18653 times:

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 18):
Agreed this work should have been carried out months ago..is QF looking to upgrade any 767 to A330?

All B767 services will eventually be downgraded to B738s with the exception of the Triangle (SYD/BNE/MEL) or PER-SYD,MEL,BNE.


User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18596 times:

I think the current daily BNE-DRW-BNE B763 service will eventually become A330 as it carries plenty of freight from inbound Asia and USA flights.

User currently onlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18429 times:

1st of Dec will see JAL swtich their Sydney service to a 787! It will currently be the first airline to operate the 787 into SYD

User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5204 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18143 times:

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 18):
is QF looking to upgrade any 767 to A330?

QF have previously operated the A330 on BNE-DRW.

Back when HKG departed around midnight, they operated an international 333 between international turns.

The patterns went:

SIN-BNE
BNE-DRW
DRW-BNE
BNE-HKG

and:

HKG-BNE
BNE-SIN

This was 4x weekly (IIRC) as HKG was less-than-daily.

As said up-thread, the cargo on the route probably precludes it from going to a 737 route. The new international schedules (SIN and HKG leaving at exactly the same time) mean that they can no longer run up to DRW between international turns, but they could fit in an A330 turn between peak-hour SYD flights with something like

SYD-BNE (7am departure)
BNE-DRW
DRW-BNE
BNE-SYD (7pm departure)



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4868 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 18048 times:

Qantas is temporally suspending BNE - MNL & MNL - BNE services due to works commencing on the 1 & only runway in BNE airport.

The BNE sector will now operate direct SYD - MNL with effected passengers being rerouted via SYD or offered an alternative.

Sorry, I don't have a source available.

EK413



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25 thegeek : Huh? Surely BNE-LAX would be the first service to be affected if there were works on 01/19 at BNE. I'm pretty sure 14/32 is back in service too.
26 RyanairGuru : The works are between 11pm and 6am, I think. MNL-BNE arrives at something like 4am, so it is affected. QF15/16 is not. EK, SQ, CX, and MH have all ha
27 EK413 : I agree with your point however I believe the decision was based on slot constraints & in turn BNE-LAX is given priority over the 1 x weekly serv
28 eaglefarm4 : Surely QF 19 could operate SYD-BNE-MNL at least give the Queenslanders one sector non stop.
29 qf002 : I wonder how permanent this might become? I'm sure that there are better places for QF to utilise their resources than a single weekly VFR flight (un
30 ADDICT4QF : I would bet on it not reverting back to SYD-BNE-MNL. It's useless to have a 2pw service.
31 ADDICT4QF : QF is apparently looking into the feasibility of flying into PHX off the back of the AA/US merger. I am assuming this will be ilo fly to DFW (which wo
32 qf002 : We're probably looking 5+ years down the track here, so why not a daily 789 to both DFW and PHX? PHX probably also makes more sense for potential fut
33 sydscott : Here's a thought, we've all been focused on how QF can drop BNE from the DFW-BNE-SYD service and have been focused on routes such as AKL-DFW. DFW-PHX
34 zkokq : Anyone know of fuel dramas in SYD? Qantas are tanking fuel for returns to Brisbane tonight?
35 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I'm not sure about that, it would be quite a sizeable reduction in connection opportunities, especially to East Coast markets. That said, changing a
36 RyanairGuru : Now that's not a bad idea at all! As you say PHX could basically be a fuel stop, while also allowing easy connections to destinations that are west o
37 EK413 : So am I. It wouldn't surprise me if QF are testing the waters & the BNE will be permanently dropped. Useless indeed unless they bump up frequenci
38 RyanairGuru : I always thought that the value of BNE-MEL was in cargo? If that's the case then there should still be a market there. After all, PR is going to be u
39 EK413 : We all know belly cargo is a money maker, therefore a valid point. In spite of this QF will use the opportunity to test the waters. Yuck! What an awf
40 Post contains images sunrisevalley : It rather depends which city pairs and which airways are used. A flight plan that I have a copy of shows a DFW-SYD airways route that heads due west
41 Post contains links EK413 : Based on your calculations 2 x B787's daily would carry 560 passengers 172t fuel burn versus 484 passengers 205t fuel burn making it far more viable.
42 thegeek : Tks. I didn't see that news. A few EK and other flights would be affected too wouldn't they? That's interesting. It seems that it's only 53nm longer
43 EK413 : I believe EK have rescheduled their flights accordingly. EK413
44 thegeek : CASK is not just about fuel burn. There's also aircraft ownership costs and crewing costs, both of which would favour the A380 on a per passenger bas
45 QFVHOQA : All this talk to PHX as either a fuel stop or destination may be moot. I recall in the many AA/US merger threads that it was widely believed the PHX h
46 eaglefarm4 : All international airlines have rescheduled their BNE ops due to the runway closure .
47 Post contains images EK413 : Cheer up the A380 is heading for BNE soon Qatar Airways (QR) will officially join the oneworld Alliance in October, its entry is being sponsored by B
48 eta unknown : In other words, the beginning of the end for JAL in SYD.
49 zkokq : I which way?
50 EK413 : Do you have a crystal ball? What have you based your assumptions on? EK413
51 RyanairGuru : As I said: These are the changes that I am aware of: SQ246 will depart at 22:45 as opposed to 23:35 MH134 will depart at 23:20 as opposed to 23:50 CX
52 sunrisevalley : I thought the 575t A380's didn't arrive till about 2016-17. Wouldn't there be 789's in the fleet before then?
53 RyanairGuru : Nope, the first ones aren't coming to mainline before 2016 True, by flying two flights you need double the number of pilots. You'd also need a larger
54 EK413 : Thanks pointing that out to me, I didn't account the costs of pilots, crew. I guess time will tell which aircraft is deployed & our questions wil
55 thegeek : 787-8s would likely be in the JQ fleet, but QF doesn't even have any firm orders for 787-9s.
56 777way : EK Cargo routemap shows freighter service to MEL.
57 thegeek : Is the cabin crew penalty that severe? I'd expect it to be slight. Like 1-2 more cabin crew in the 787.
58 Post contains links QFVHOQA : Alan Joyce today gave a speech at the Macquarie Australia Conference. The Transformation Continues Address by Alan Joyce, Qantas Group CEO Some points
59 RyanairGuru : To be fair I didn't actually crunch any numbers in saying that! I'd guess that the 787 (with Y+) would have 9/10 cabin crew: 1 CSM 2 serving in J 2 s
60 Post contains images RyanairGuru : FY15. Does that mean June 30 2015 or 2016? I intend to be on the last flight. Hopefully we will have some sort of prior notice of when it's going to
61 NZ107 : The former.
62 QFVHOQA : I won't miss them with their CRT screens and yellow-tinged lighting. But the fleet will get just that little more boring with one type leaving (more
63 RyanairGuru : The 734s are frequent on almost all mainline flights out of CBR. Over the last couple of years I've noticed a steady increase in the number of 73Hs h
64 thegeek : Interesting that there are no comments about the 747 fleet plans.
65 Post contains links EK413 : Interesting, so it appears the B734 retired has been accelerated by 1 year with the original plans to retire the fleet by mid 2014. I believe 21 crew
66 QFVHOQA : Or maybe the plans are due to change and are yet to be finalised? Considering the fleet will be stretched thin at 9 744s.
67 RyanairGuru : The last comment I heard was the end of January 2014, so only a month earlier. OK, so actually there isn't a huge difference between 2 787s and 1 A38
68 thegeek : Twice the number of pilots is a pretty huge difference IMO.
69 thegeek : Almost certainly. This is very, very unlikely:
70 QFVHOQA : Has QF given any reasons for the delays? QF1 & EK7 arrive within 30 minutes of each other. But with these delayed flights QF1 arrives within 30 m
71 RyanairGuru : I agree, I should have been clearer, disregard the bit about the number of FAs.
72 tullamarine : 734s are popular out of CBR due to their large convertible J Class Cabin. Senior public service boffins and politicians all fly J class so often all
73 RyanairGuru : Unfortunately QF's favoured approach seems to be offer 12 seats, and if they're full then tough. I remember one particularly memorable flight from CB
74 SYDSpotter : Unless QF have a midday landing slot at LHR, then no. QF currently have one of the valuable early morning slots at LHR. This might be a case that the
75 IndianicWorld : So it does. I hadn't noticed them here but good to see it is now a destination for them.
76 EK413 : So in saying that 2 x B787's would be far more viable and efficient than 1 x A380? Sorry if the link ain't working I've been having issues every time
77 Ditzyboy : There is only five rows of converter seats on the 734s for a max of 20J. It has been a very long time since I have seen it set at 8J (DRW-DPS-DRW in
78 Post contains images sunrisevalley : You are correct. Looking at it from another perspective, with the IATA fuel benchmark price at $897 per mt , the A380 fuel cost would be $183885 for
79 qf002 : My understanding is that there are roughly 7.5 barrels of jet fuel to the tonne, so a 30t saving is potentially a saving of 225 barrels. At today's p
80 sunrisevalley : You take a chance on using a price per barrel as your base. The crack spread can throw that out since it can vary significantly . Watch the IATA Fuel
81 Ditzyboy : I had also thought that myself.
82 Ditzyboy : 21 on the non-reconfigured aircraft and 22 in the re-configured aircraft. The CSM assist with the J service. A CSM + 2 will only be enough to serve 2
83 thegeek : if these figures are correct I can certainly understand how come QF would want to fly the 787 to DFW, but they don't even have any on order. Also, th
84 RyanairGuru : That's a technicality. You are, of course, right, but they've already indicated that they will exercise their options for 2016 deliveries, but aren't
85 sunrisevalley : I am talking about QF's existing 560t MTOW/ 292t DOW A380's. The new version at 575t MTOW/ 288t DOW will burn about the same fuel load and haul 20t m
86 EK413 : Thanks for confirming I knew during EIS the A380 was crewed by 22 for training purposes. So I take it the additional crew member operates the Y/C gal
87 Ditzyboy : For the current product/service, four (including the CSS) is enough for up to around 200 pax. The 22 crew was standard. In 2011(?) a crew member was
88 alangirvan : For SYD-DFW, there are other possibilities. It may be flogging a dead horse to mention the 777 again, but some things have changed - now we have the N
89 IndianicWorld : EK want the A380 to fly the route but can not quite achieve that with the current versions they have with a viable load (pax and freight). It may ver
90 thegeek : Well even if they were firm orders they could be cancelled too. How many times have QF's fleet plans changed in the last 10 years? As for the options
91 qf002 : It's not that strange, given that this route takes the A380 to the edge of its range. VLAs lose their cost advantage very quickly when payload restri
92 zkokq : The 2016 timeline is when the options would be available. Ie the slots for manufacture.
93 thegeek : Ok, be interesting to see what they do. I imagine exercise would be sometime in 2015, but perhaps earlier.
94 EK413 : How many times is QF going to exercise their B787 options?!? EK413
95 zkokq : I hope they let us know sooner rather than later. Be awesome to see the 789 in QF colours! If they don't go the 787 then I don't know what will happe
96 sunrisevalley : with the 767's they have to replace it is hard to see what an alternate might be unless more 332's
97 zkokq : I wouldn't be surprised if they just went A332's and more 737's. they don't fly 767's on to many routes on international sectors.. Unless they have p
98 Post contains links EK413 : I'm looking forward to seeing the B789 in QF colours too! QF need to make a decision sooner rather than later with their B744 & A333 fleet up for
99 thegeek : Only HNL now. I imagine that will go over to JQ completely. Well they are getting 11 A332s from JQ and have 15 737s on order. Add in my comment above
100 RyanairGuru : Actually, I'd expect it to stay with mainline with the A330s. This is has been noted before, but HNL is the route that refuses to die! Clearly QF wan
101 mariner : As much as I admire rigid financial - and fleet - discipline, I think Qantas is in danger of shooting itself in the foot. SYD-DFW-SYD - which isn't a
102 thegeek : Yep. The 13th and 14th A380s would have been able to do it fairly easily, but they deferred them. If they won't accept aircraft they already have on
103 mariner : Qantas flies it. I thought I'd covered that already. I assume that the A380 deferment was a cost saving exercise. mariner
104 QFVHOQA : I agree. Once the 763s are gone it will end up an A332 with the same frequency as now to keep it at one frame for the route. For some reason QF can c
105 mariner : That's why I think they'd get 'em for about twenty quid each. It isn't going to happen, I know that, but as I said, I think Qantas is in danger of sh
106 thegeek : Surely it would be more expensive to add a new type than to accept the A380 delivery! I don't get how you can see it otherwise? The plan B would be t
107 QFVHOQA : I hear that as a result of this decision JL no longer has a Y+ product on the route. It was apparently doing poorly outside of new year and Golden we
108 Post contains images mariner : Again, it isn't really a new fleet type, it has commonality with the A330, they were produced on the same line. Singapore paid $200 million after dis
109 thegeek : It has different engines, so different maintenance and spares, and I'm sure there's a small amount of extra training (one off or ongoing) to keep cro
110 mariner : The cockpit has commonality with the A330 and, again, both aircraft were produced on the same assembly line. Flight crew can transition in three days
111 alangirvan : A340-500s are almost guaranteed to lose money on any route they fly. They may have made a bit of money in the highly specialised configuration SQ used
112 thegeek : You sound like you don't believe it will ever happen. Even the DC-10 eventually stabilised into a reliable platform.
113 Post contains images mariner : Yes, I imagine they would. I'm not suggesting ten year leases. mariner
114 mariner : Not at all. I think the 787's will happen eventually. It's possible they may even happen within the time frame that Qantas presently has. But - once
115 qf002 : Which they do, assuming the turnaround being implemented at the moment works. Aside from a single frame of 744 capacity, the 789s won't start replaci
116 Post contains links mariner : I hope that comes to pass, just as I hope there are no more problems. I carry these words in my mind all the time, though, from the CEO of Air NZ: ht
117 IndianicWorld : It all makes sense. This is why I am doubtful that even as hard as BNE tries to talk JL into starting service I don't think it stacks up. I have alwa
118 thegeek : Yes, that's one possibility. The other extreme is that it overcomes its teething problems to become a revolution on which all future aircraft are bas
119 IndianicWorld : I agree. Stop gap measures with new fleet types for something no one realistically saw dragging on as long as it has was never going to happen. Hinds
120 mariner : Sure, I'm ready for any eventuality. But - revolution? I'm with the previous poster: Yes, there may be some demand for routes from/to smaller destina
121 thegeek : Hmm, so you bag them for not doing X but can't say what X actually is? Sorry, but that's just the way I see it.
122 mariner : How am I "bagging" anyone? I think - and wished and posted at the time - that Air New Zealand had made some other choices when the extent of the dela
123 RyanairGuru : I agree in principle, but it must have been hard to predict when the 787 was coming on-line. At the time they might still have expected to have them
124 QFVHOQA : I realise QF pulled all the 763s from international when the A333s were deemed unsuitable for domestic routes. But to not revisit this was a strange
125 thegeek : Not a bad suggestion. 767 is smaller than the A330 and would have been easier to increase frequency on the low frequency flights that you mention, ex
126 SYDSpotter : But again, a very short term measure which would've cost millions to implement. Sure cheaper than acquiring brand new A330's, but at least in the cas
127 StickShaker : QF can still get their 787's at the negotiated launch pricing which has been reported as approx $67 million per frame. They won't walk away from pric
128 mariner : Of course. But I was never quite as enraptured by the 787 as many were, I didn't feel the drug-like rush, partly, I guess, because the case that Boei
129 zkokq : I think with all the new 73H's coming on board a max order is still a while away.
130 thegeek : OTOH they've already cancelled 45 789s? I think those aircraft only come in to their own on longer sectors. QF mostly use their 737s on sectors under
131 zkokq : The still have 50 options with some in 2016 delivery slots.
132 StickShaker : I think you would find that the new engine technologies can give efficiency gains on all sectors otherwise the OEM's would not have bothered with the
133 gemuser : QF DO NOT have A320neos on order, the Qantas Group does. They are intended (at time of order) for JQ and all the partly owned Jetstars. I really do n
134 thegeek : That includes purchase rights. At one time they had 115 orders+options+purchase rights. Now only a bit more than half that.
135 zkokq : Not sure where they would have placed over 115 787's that would have been insane.
136 sydscott : Lets not forget that the B73H only entered the fleet because it was immediately available after Ansett collapsed and AA was desperate to reduce its o
137 Post contains links thegeek : Perhaps. But enough to justify the extra expense of the aircraft? There has to be a break even somewhere. I expect that was assuming both the retirem
138 Ben175 : By the way, 333's are still doing transcon runs well into the next few months. On July 5 I am flying PER-MEL on QF480 and my aircraft is listed as a 3
139 thegeek : I checked an entire week from 9/5/2013 westbound MEL-PER, and didn't see one -300. So I stick by my above comment.
140 sydscott : It can be rather compicated but essentially the aircraft doesn't come fully onto the Balance Sheet until its actually delivered. Then, and only then,
141 thegeek : AKL-LAX - perhaps. SYD-BOM - no. Far too little demand for an aircraft as large as a 77E when an A332 struggled to get above 3pw. But I'm sure any ac
142 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I agree. That said, though, by the nature of the Australian market being a lot more decentralized than the USA or Europe, I think that QF is the only
143 mariner : Sure, but at the time I was not Australia-centric - I'd been living in the US for fifteen years and my thinking with regard to P2P reflected a somewh
144 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Oh, I fully agree. The 787 will, at best, do what CO pioneered with the 757: hub-"small" spoke. I agree with with your cynicism, as the first 787s se
145 Post contains images mariner : Oh, there was nothing untoward. Just to make the point that BDL is a fairly prosperous city from which to launch TATL flights, they might have been e
146 QF744ER : Try QF777 MEL-PER on 3/7 it's down as a A333. QF used to positon them in and out on PER on domestic sectors before they took up duty on QF67/68/71/72/
147 CXfirst : Virgin's 6th A330 is operating its first scheduled flight right now (VA679). -CXfirst
148 thegeek : Assuming this is directed at me, all I said was "few", not none.
149 RyanairGuru : Well, sorry if I came over as a bit testy! I guess being so close to both BOS and JFK, with many more non-stop destinations and frequencies, makes th
150 QFVHOQA : QF & JQ will probably confirm this is the role for their 787s. JQ will mostly just replace the A332 with a couple of frames for growth. But gone
151 alangirvan : The 787 is a P2P aircraft in its original version, going back to the 7E7. The 230 seater plane that links a smaller city in the USA with a smaller cit
152 Post contains links mariner : That's come up in another thread concerning the US and smaller Chinese cities. Non-stop Service From 2-tier Chinese Cities To US? (by justinlee May 4
153 RyanairGuru : I think that's inevitable, to be honest. Something like MCI-CAN was never going to work, regardless of what Boeing said in 2004. Part of this is the
154 alangirvan : I had a look at Great Circle Mapper = CTU Chengdu is right on the Great Circle between Sydney and London. We are talking about routes that are attract
155 BenSandilands : The 'real' role of the 787 was often discussed at Boeing briefings as being most useful as a second hub bypass. That is, the jet would allow an owner
156 RyanairGuru : That makes a lot of sense, and I think that's what we were all trying to say in a roundabout sort of way! I guess that several airlines will be watch
157 mariner : Perhaps partly because the Boeing spokesperson, Randy Tinseth, suggested routes exactly like that. As for the hub to smaller cities or vv, there have
158 QF744ER : Just had a look. All 10 QF A333's are currently active and so far this month there is a noticeable reduction in them operating transcontinental flight
159 jrfspa320 : QF is taking their time to announce the new A330 interior, guessing the 787s have to arrive first. I think the A320s would be better suited to QF and
160 QF744ER : A330 interior upgrade has been announced for 20 x A332's and the 10 x international A333's. Starts end of 2014.
161 vhebb : Actually JQ uplift a significant amount of Qantas freight both domestically and internationally. Qantas freight can also be uplifted on Jetstar Asia,
162 Post contains images qf002 : But we are yet to hear any details at all, apart from the very vague 'lie-flat' and 'leapfrogging the competition' quips. QF has already finalised ev
163 EK413 : End of 2014?!? That's a very long wait... How does QF expect to remain competitive when CX, SQ, CZ 'have' been introducing NEW products with CZ on th
164 eta unknown : Reduction of over 800 seats/week.
165 CXfirst : Saw the Skywest A320 in Virgin colours (VH-YUD) get towed passed me today. Odd sight getting towed passed a line of Virgin 737's, and wonder how long
166 SXI899 : A while yet I think. The VH-YUD has only just been delivered (beginning of the week), and there are more A320s planned as far as I know.[Edited 2013-
167 QFVHOQA : This mixed fleet is reminding me of AN. VA now has F50, F100, AT72, A320, E90, 738, A332 & 77W in their fleet, all in relatively low numbers apar
168 tullamarine : Given VA are going to maintain the XR AOC separately, they will probably keep their mixed fleet for a while. The F50s will go because they are old an
169 StickShaker : I definitely see the aging F50 being replaced by the ATR72 but I don't see the F100's being replaced by E190's - the relatively low utilisation of FI
170 EK413 : Perhaps in future I'll recommend including the original post. Moving forward, the B787 fills the gap between B767-300 and B777-200, effectively givin
171 thegeek : Why? A 747 can do it easily with probably better CASK and it's also more right sized for the route.
172 EK413 : The original quote was referring to the introduction of the B787 on JL's NRT-SYD-NRT route being considered as a downgrade & beginning of the end
173 RyanairGuru : You could probably run half-hourly shuttles with A380s and fill them, but the question is at what cost. The demand is there Aus-Jp, no doubt about it
174 Post contains links aussie18 : Etihad Cargo have announced they will begin a twice weekly freight service starting next month. http://australianaviation.com.au/201...ight-service-ad
175 thegeek : They used to run 10pw A330s before the GFC. Not sure they had any -200s back then either.
176 RyanairGuru : True, and going from 10x 333 to 7x 744 is virtually flat in terms of capacity. That said pre-GFC was a happier time when JL flew a daily 747 to BNE,
177 zkokq : I see the SYD-BNE leg of QF8 this morning was cancelled. I was down at the airport to do some spotting and after #2 was started smoke poured from the
178 thegeek : What frequency is that at now? Seems to use a 777. If it's already daily then I'm not sure of the need for change.
179 TruemanQLD : Have I missed something here? When was it announced VA was getting a new Asian partner? Surely they have given away all there potential international
180 zkokq : SQ, part owner of the airline.
181 Post contains images RyanairGuru : To be honest I don't think the VA have any interest in flying longhaul, despite some statements about what they could do with the A330. The only part
182 Post contains links and images EK413 : Daily, you have valid points but when you compare the B787 capacity versus B772 there really ain't a big drop & not to mention the fuel efficienc
183 IndianicWorld : I agree. I can't see VA making moves into any further Long Haul sectors of its own. The rewards are too small when you already have the relationships
184 thegeek : You have to find something to do with the 777s you've replaced, unless you're suggesting retiring them.
185 tullamarine : ...and much more likely following the announcement of NZ''s bilateral partnership with CX.
186 IndianicWorld : How would this go down with SQ though, who are now holding nearly 20% of VA shares? Yes, NZ may well have made that move but whether EY and SQ would
187 RyanairGuru : I'd forgotten that, good point. Makes it somewhat more likely, I guess. To be honest, I think that SQ know that they're not particularly competitive
188 SYDSpotter : I think EY wouldn't be too worried, I think any VA/CX tie-up would be Oz-Asia only. I don't think it would extend to Europe otherwise you would have
189 StickShaker : I think RyanairGuru is correct and it will be a case of doing what is right for VA - SQ would have known that these potential conflicts could arise w
190 qf002 : I don't see CX having any inclination to enter a partnership with VA. There is virtually nothing that VA can offer CX that they don't already get for
191 RyanairGuru : That's a very good point, and one I'd not considered. Apparently one of the reasons that CX isn't interested in cooperating with QF is that QF have n
192 mariner : We are agreed that the actual largest shareholder in Virgin Australia is still Air New Zealand at 19.99%? https://www.nzx.com/files/attachments/17424
193 EK413 : I was under the impression QF & CX couldn't establish an alliance even "if" they wanted to do so. Why would the rules be any different for VA. I'v
194 qf002 : The issue with a QF/CX partnership is the fact that it would create a virtual monopoly on services between Australia and Hong Kong (the only non-QF/C
195 Post contains images RyanairGuru : There is nothing (from a regulatory standpoint) to stop CX-QF cooperating beyond HKG (to, say, China, Korea, Japan). Instead, they cannot cooperate o
196 Post contains images EK413 : Compete with the only other carrier offering F/C on the route QF. I can't remember if CX intend to replace 1 of 4 daily SYD flights OR introduce a 5t
197 EK413 : Minimum visibility in SYD Airport! 16R departures only 16L arrivals! So far had QF6 (A333), MH123 (A333) & OZ601 (772ER) land on 16L! QF flights a
198 eaglefarm4 : I see CZ are showing daily into BNE for NW 2013 period all non stops. And yes today BNE got diversions including Polar Cargo 763F
199 Post contains links qf002 : Fairfax is reporting that QF and EK have received final clearance from the NZ governement to coordinate on flights across the Tasman (article here). I
200 QFVHOQA : Now that it has been approved trans-Tasman, I wonder if the touted PER-AKL or ADL-AKL flights will eventuate?
201 Post contains links mariner : Mr. Joyce seems pessimistic, at least about ADL-AKL, largely because of the conditions the ACCC has imposed on the Qantas/Emirates TT deal: http://ww
202 BenSandilands : The explanation for not flying Adelaide-Auckland is questionable. Qantas-Emirates is enjoined by the ACCC to not reduce its current trans Tasman capac
203 sydscott : If he wanted to do Adelaide, he'd need to allocate an additional 738 to Jetconnect. Apparently that's not going to happen at the moment. Kind of iron
204 mariner : The 777 seems like extremely excessive capacity ADL-AKL to me. mariner
205 qf002 : EK has reached their allowance for frequencies across the Tasman, so cannot add any further flights without dropping an existing flight from the east
206 RyanairGuru : That was my first thought as well. If they really wanted to they could cut an East Coast frequency, put a 330 or 747 on another frequency, and hey pr
207 mariner : Precisely. As I said several times, I am astonished at the power the ACCC has, to dictate, rather than guide. mariner
208 smi0006 : Interesting rumours of QR starting a service to AKL, either via PER or MEL. The 787 would seem a good size out of PER... Does the Australian, NZ and Q
209 sydscott : Don't shoot me now, but I suspect that given the weakness of the domestic market yeilds, QF could afford to get rid of the 10 734's and deal with the
210 Post contains links NZ107 : Here's a news article from March: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10869451
211 thegeek : I think that should be "would be able to" rather than "would need to". Jetconnect is a bit sub scale at present with only 8 aircraft. A few extra sho
212 Post contains links sydscott : On a separate note, there are an interesting set of articles on the Centre for Aviation website about Jetstar Asia; http://centreforaviation.com/analy
213 QFVHOQA : Is there any cost benefit to registering the aircraft in NZ? I realise the labour costs are lower, hence the AKL crew base. But is the NZ register co
214 thegeek : I expect so, given that Jetconnect operates under a NZ AOC. Compliance would be simpler having it all NZ. Probably union crap mostly. But also there'
215 RyanairGuru : That JetConnect longhaul crew, as opposed to JetConnect shorthaul. The latter operate the TT routes, the former go all over the world as "regular" QA
216 eaglefarm4 : Today VA commenced A330 flights BNE-PER. VH-XFB was the innaugral flight.
217 thegeek : I've never thought of that. Perhaps that's a factor in the rumoured SYD-AKL-DFW flight. Hard to imagine they could come out ahead doing something lik
218 Post contains links TN486 : Could this be your answer Qantas Link 717s To Get Business Class (by AlitaliaDC10 May 15 2013 in Civil Aviation)
219 sydscott : I think we'll see further adjustments like this in future. Certainly a sensible move by QF especially as Network receives more Fokkers and that can r
220 RyanairGuru : Very interesting, this could well prove to be a very good 734 replacement, especially on some of the CBR services. It seems to be the perfect fit for
221 Post contains links mariner : I accept and enjoy Richard Branson's role as headline-grabbing loud mouth, constantly bashing his bigger legacy rivals - British in the UK and Qantas
222 Post contains links QFVHOQA : EK has confirmed that EK434 DXB-BNE-AKL will be upgraded to A380 from October 2. Emirates brings Airbus A380 to Brisbane-Auckland Probably in part due
223 Post contains links vhebb : Qantas B717 Press Release: http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...taslink-jets-to-get-business-class Would all B717s be getting Biz eventually? This s
224 Post contains images RyanairGuru : At last! Fantastic news
225 Mikey86 : I have just checked Sabre and it still shows 77W. Until Sabre says it Ill be a happier man! But the deal I am sure is signed and done!
226 eaglefarm4 : Did you not trust me.With 30 years in the industry i have many contacts and sources.
227 RyanairGuru : Yes I did. I fully trusted you, I was saying that it is fantastic that the general public is now aware of it.
228 TN486 : I found your whole post as being straight to the point, and to my mind, 100% spot on. Thank You. LOL. Well, what can one say "it feels good to see wh
229 Post contains links and images mariner : Half in jest, I suggested a theory on the NZ thread - that perhaps the timing of the announcement was delayed a tad, as a tip of the hat to the NZ Mi
230 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I'm with TN on this, good job. We can debate this forever, but all up AJ has proved his salt at QF. Whereas AJ is a man of steel, and has the guts to
231 mariner : Just to make the point clear: SRB said that, not I. As in my post, I have exactly the opposite view - that AJ is the right man for the job at Qantas.
232 eaglefarm4 : I do feel a little sorry for Perth however, and i did read somewhere in the past week that PER will have their A380 aerobridges by mid 2014 so i would
233 RyanairGuru : I know and I was agreeing with you (sorry for the confusion!) When I said: I didn't mean "you" and "me". It was more a shrug to the world at large...
234 Post contains images mariner : I got that completely. It was just the way the quote worded - it happens quite a lot on a.net. Because the SRB quote was in a post by me, to the caus
235 RyanairGuru : Fixed up! And sorry for making it look like you said it, in retrospect I can see what you mean and I apologise.
236 QFVHOQA : The upgrade from 77W to A380 means an increase of almost an entire 738 of Y pax. Does this mean that QF (Jetconnect) can drop a frequency on BNE-AKL?
237 EK413 : I was under the impression one of the conditions is for both carriers to maintain capacity across the Tasman. I have a feeling QF will redeploy 1 x A
238 IndianicWorld : Its certainly been known about as a strong possibility to a few in the industry for a while but its good to see it officially announced. As we all kn
239 DeltaB717 : ADL-AKL was previously operated by Jetconnect with B733/B734 so the B738 shouldn't have any trouble. PER I think (correct me if I'm wrong) would be a
240 Post contains links mariner : The good news for Virgin Oz and Qantas is that the market share war may be calming down. The Virgin numbers for April are fairly predictable - as is
241 Post contains links EK413 : I for one definitely don't feel sorry for PER. The management of PER have them selves to blame for the delay and readiness of the A380 bay. BNE on th
242 IndianicWorld : TT may well see a reduction in VA ops, especially on secondary sectors. VA can instead deploy the lower cost base of TT on those sectors, which will
243 EK413 : Terrible management skills. The world's biggest international airline has expressed concern that WA is missing out on tourism and business opportunit
244 Post contains links 777ER : Australian Aviation Thread Part 73 (by 777ER May 16 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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