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United orders upto 70 E175 Aircraft  
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12732 posts, RR: 35
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30788 times:

United Airlines has placed an order for 30 76-seat Embrear ERJ-175 aircraft for United Express. United will begin to take deliveries in the beginning in 2014. All aircraft will have 12 United First seats, 16 Economy Plus seats and 48 Economy seats. Source: WSJ.



I did not see this one coming, have I slept under a rock?

[Edited 2013-04-29 14:38:22]


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4707 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30751 times:

This would be a good aircraft to bring IAH to PVD/BDL back


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30730 times:

Source? United Continental Holdings bought their own regional jets? That kind of flies in the face of what most airlines have been doing as of late with regionals.

E-jets are nice but I am still holding out for a C-series order...


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12732 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30628 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 2):
Source?

The Wall Street Journal: http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/328978370576646144



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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 711 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30618 times:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...nited-express-fleet-205291031.html


Source.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6101 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30503 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 2):

Source? United Continental Holdings bought their own regional jets? That kind of flies in the face of what most airlines have been doing as of late with regionals.

It gives them more control to whipsaw airplanes faster.



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User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30442 times:

Congrats to United I don't think anyone saw this coming.

12 seats in first class on a regional jet is a lot it will be interesting to see what routes United deploys these aircraft on.

Also if anyone would like to speculate why is the order so small the United Express fleet still has a lot of 50 seat aircraft will we see United order more E-jets or will the 50 seat jets be around for the remainder of this decade and into the next?


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30446 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 2):
Source? United Continental Holdings bought their own regional jets? That kind of flies in the face of what most airlines have been doing as of late with regionals.

Not really. No different than what DL did with the recent CR9 order. They'll own the jets, but contract the operation out to the regionals.



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User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30392 times:

Quoting jayunited (Reply 6):
12 seats in first class on a regional jet is a lot it will be interesting to see what routes United deploys these aircraft on.

Same configuration used by DL Connection.



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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30365 times:

One thing that sticks out to me is the E+ cabin being virtually half what it is on the CR7 and E70. Is this signaling a move away from more E+ or just a coincidence that they decided to adopt the DL config?

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6101 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30318 times:

Quoting jayunited (Reply 6):
Also if anyone would like to speculate why is the order so small

My speculation is that they are't going to any of the Republic clan, so, based on the launch date, this gives other carriers enough time to ramp up getting the type added to their certificate (which takes a while.)



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30245 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 10):
My speculation is that they are't going to any of the Republic clan, so, based on the launch date, this gives other carriers enough time to ramp up getting the type added to their certificate (which takes a while.)

Im guessing Skywest. There have been long rumors about an E-Jet program being started there, not to mention their long standing relationship with UA.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30196 times:

Now starts the fun.

Regional's can flight for the the opportunity to fly the aircraft.

  



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User currently offlineRodRB From Brazil, joined Feb 2010, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30109 times:

Press release by Embraer:

http://www.embraer.com.br/en-US/Impr...United-Airlines-para-30-EJets.aspx

btw, that's the second big order for Embraer this year!


User currently offlineSHAQ From Panama, joined Jun 2007, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 30067 times:

Also, United made an announcement at United Hub
https://hub.united.com/en-us/News/Company-Operations/Pages/united-express-to-get-new-embraer-jets.aspx
Kudos for United. This is a very comfy regional aircraft.



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User currently offlinejetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2832 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 29858 times:

I bet we see these flown out of EWR.


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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 29724 times:

Me thinks these are for ExpressJet.


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 29599 times:

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 7):
Not really. No different than what DL did with the recent CR9 order. They'll own the jets, but contract the operation out to the regionals.

In that case, any chance part of the deal involves Embraer taking back 30 E145s (I believe UA also owns those)?

Certainly not complaining, this one definitely took me by surprise.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 29496 times:

According to the Embraer press release - United also took 40 options

Also delivery is quite soon - first one in Q1 2014.



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User currently offlinewingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 29497 times:

Would Express Jet give up a 2-1 or 3-1 on erj145 for say a 10 year capacity agreement? I don't know how well the integration negotiations are going, but it is only a matter of time when UA does what DL did. Get on board early and hopefully get a favorable term contract for the flying?

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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 29468 times:

I can see the options being fulfilled and I really see these on high yield, but also long routes like IAH-DFW and Eastern Canada, and anywhere between EWR and ORD. I also don't really see these heading out west.


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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 29160 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 9):
One thing that sticks out to me is the E+ cabin being virtually half what it is on the CR7 and E70. Is this signaling a move away from more E+ or just a coincidence that they decided to adopt the DL config?

Yeah, me too. Unfortunately it makes me think they'll continue slashing elite benefits -- they already restricted E+ to silvers until T-24, so I wonder if this is coming for golds too...or worse, pulling the benefit at booking altogether. I've been an elite for a few years and its been one of my favorite benefits, because even if I don't get the complimentary upgrade, I know I'll still have a decent seat. In my opinion, 16 E+ seats is about 10 too few, so that definitely worries me.

What blows my mind is the 12F seats. A319s only have 8F! I suppose that's good for elites and will maybe free up some E+ seats as a result of complimentary upgrades, but it still baffles me.

Too many F seats and too few E+. Regardless, I can't complain with more E-jets because hopefully they'll replace some CRJs.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 16):
Me thinks these are for ExpressJet.

Me thinks you're right. I've heard a rumor that ExpressJet just got 175 manuals, but rumors from pilots don't often count for much. I think the only two likely operators are ExpressJet and SkyWest, but I'm personally hoping for the former.


User currently offlineE170Driver From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 28910 times:

As the pilots are always the last to know the details, I haven't heard anything, but does anyone think Shuttle America will be picking up the flying being how the training program and experience with the fleet is already in play?

[Edited 2013-04-29 16:56:00]

User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 28832 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 21):
What blows my mind is the 12F seats. A319s only have 8F! I suppose that's good for elites and will maybe free up some E+ seats as a result of complimentary upgrades, but it still baffles me.

Yeah that is worrying on the one hand. Although, I tend to think there is such a niche -- for 76ish total seats and you sell the 12F seats, but you just can't fill enough of the back to make the next bigger thing you have (319 or 73G) work. The problem domestically is that even if you can move the 12F at reasonable rates, those just aren't expensive enough to pay the bills like 20-30 J seats are on an int'l flight.


User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 28611 times:

Quoting E170Driver (Reply 22):
As the pilots are always the last to know the details, I haven't heard anything, but does anyone think Shuttle America will be picking up the flying being how the training program and experience with the fleet is already in play?

The press release talks about these E-jets will replace 50-seat capacity, and Republic(CHQ) only has 15 E145s operating for UAX. I think it is a much more likely event that Skywest/Expressjet will start reducing E145 capacity in exchange for these E175s.

According to wiki:
Expressjet-
14 CR2
9 E135
234 E145

[Edited 2013-04-29 17:14:36]


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25 ORDBOSEWR : I think we are reading too much into this. IIRC, the UA pilot contract limits them to 76 seats for Express operated planes, so that was the magic num
26 deltaflyertoo : Okay so I know so much about the industry but don't know the deets of how this works, so sorry if stupid question. I thought that the regionals partn
27 murf : In the picture in reply 1 the winglets look different....Will these 175's be coming with different winglets? They look larger and sweep out further...
28 OH-LGA : Not a stupid question at all. As you state it, in the past this has been how it has worked in general within the US airline industry. DL has done it
29 flyby519 : Pretty much. UA can hold the aircraft as bait and request proposals from all the regional carriers, and usually the cheapest bid wins. Partially expl
30 LHCVG : I get the 76-seat scope cap, my point was just that I can see how there may be legitimate demand in the system for routes with good F loads that are
31 MCOflyer : I cant wait to take a ride on these. Any word on the routes they will used on??? KH
32 FL787 : The E70 for UAX is actually 6F, 16 Y+, and 48 Y so the only difference between the E70 and E75 will be 6 first class seats. Regarding the A319, I'd b
33 Post contains links PHLapproach : For what it's worth.. Embraer brought an CT E175 in Mid February to St. George and Atlanta for a day at each HQ for display and then took it back down
34 777fan : Under this arrangement, who would perform maintenance? If it's mainline UA, then presumably the only cost benefit would derive from flight crews (fro
35 Goldenshield : The regional who gets the contract does. It's part of contract fulfillment. If mainline MX fixed these planes, they'd essentially be working on plane
36 Post contains images CODC10 : And this is a problem why? A small mainline-operated jet (CSeries, MRJ, E-190/195) will be on property by 2016. The new pilot contract basically ensu
37 Mir : Correct. In an ideal world, we'd see a scope clause that states that mainline-owned aircraft must be flown by mainline crews, which would prevent tha
38 Post contains images lightsaber : I feel the same way. I figured UA would order more 'larger RJ flying,' but I didn't expect them to by the jets. Kudos to them. That will help keep th
39 ikramerica : Maybe the 12F can be looked at this way. It pleases the elites with a good chance of upgrade on regional routes where the block time is too short for
40 inaforeignsky : When we (XJT) were bought by Skywest Inc. in 2010, part of the deal agreed with CAL was that Skywest Inc. and thus ExpressJet would be given first ref
41 silentbob : Like most regionals Republic is having problems hiring enough pilots right now. They are going to have enough problems filling the slots for the Eagl
42 TWA772LR : If these are for ExpressJet, then would the simulator go to Houston or Atlanta?
43 Goldenshield : SKYW is a little tied up with MRJ funding right now.
44 F9animal : I wonder if UA is looking close at the C Series?
45 Post contains images lightsaber : I could dream. But that would have been an MRJ order for this size of aircraft. Lightsaber
46 TWA772LR : Well, what does the new pilot contract say about scope?
47 jolau1701 : That's what I was thinking too.
48 bobloblaw : C-Series doesn't compete with the E175. Also UAX can't operate the C-Series.
49 Logos : It's called scope, folks. Their contract with mainline pilots limits regional aircraft to 76 seats, just like at Delta, which is why the relatively h
50 FL787 : Well that would be disappointing if true. 8F was chosen at a time when UA did not have the current elite upgrade system in place and I would have tho
51 floridaflyboy : Simply matches DL and the new AA's configuration for the same aircraft. I agree that ExpressJet is the likely operator. However, I wouldn't rule out
52 Post contains links STT757 : This order was expected considering their new mainline pilots contract. The contract contains the following with regards to regional aircraft: Credit
53 kgaiflyer : I've flown the DL 175s IAD-MSP (in the back). Don't they have ovens? I notice that on DL the F-class folks have meal service. Anyway, the DL 175s are
54 cle757 : Bigger RJ's may lead to less frequencys between some cities!
55 United1 : The 175s will have 16 Y+ seats... UAs 170s and CR7s already are configured for F/Y+/Y.
56 PHX787 : Hmm this is interesting....is UA going to operate this under Shuttle America? Just for future reference, Airliners won't allow any links from the WSJ
57 Post contains images AA777 : I'm sure they have statistics about who tends to buy a Y+ upgrade vs. who is elite and receives automatic upgrades etc, i.e., on which sectors Y+ is
58 floridaflyboy : The Compass E-175s definitely have ovens, as NW had hot meal service on the CR9 and E75. DL typically just has cold options on Delta Connection meal
59 Post contains images jayunited : Here we go again with people thinking UA is again cutting elite benefits because there will only be 16 E+ seats and silver member have to wait till 2
60 FriendlySkies : Not disagreeing with you on the absurdity of elite complaints, but is this actually true? I find it hard to believe UA would have a different upgrade
61 Goldenshield : United's entire M.O. with regional flights is to degrade the entire experience to make themselves look better in comparison. (which is really saying
62 ORDBOSEWR : No, he was being sarcastic...
63 2travel2know2 : 12F seats could mean that those E175 may be seen on UA international flights, specially if that aircraft could be used to fly 4h30m non-stop segments.
64 Alias1024 : DL CRJ-900s are configured to 76 seats with two lavatories. It wouldn't be at all exceptional if UA put two lavs in their 76 seat aircraft.
65 ABQopsHP : About a year ago, just as we got the announcement that the XJT ground employees were going to be furloughed, we had heard that E170 or 175s were like
66 C767P : The new UA pilot contract limits 80% of UAX flying to flights under 900 miles. So won't see them doing many flights of 4.5 hours.
67 ODwyerPW : Kudos to Embraer. I love flying the EmbraerJets. The 175 has become so popular. Amazing that it was almost an afterthought. Embraer originally launche
68 MSPNWA : Glad to see that United is going with the E175 over, say, a CR9. Very comfortable aircraft. Not glad to see them being flown by regional carriers inst
69 kgaiflyer : Not sure what you mean by "international". CR-2s already fly DEN-YYC/YEG, IAD-YYZ, and SFO-YYJ. E145s fly all over Mexico from Houston and all over e
70 fun2fly : Right on....you complainers are all nuts. We are going from 50 seat CRJs and ERJ's w/o first or E+ to an industry standard 76 seat plane w/12 (WOW fo
71 Deltal1011man : The only carrier who hasn't been doing this is AMR. but they have been selling/leasing back the majority of the mainline fleet also. (and all the A32
72 JAAlbert : I love these small twin jet regional planes. They are comfortable and different than the usual 737/320 offering. How do they compare to the new C-seri
73 flight152 : As opposed to the non existent single engine regional jets? There are more cities then that. YWG, YYT, YYZ, YUL, YQB. Also, there is no direct IAD-YH
74 Post contains images atcsundevil : Thanks I didn't know that It is actually more complicated than that, because 8 or 10 F seats with more than 16 E+ would give the same result of 76. T
75 N908AW : This would be a big get for Compass, exactly the kind of thing Trans States was looking for when they made this purchase. The fact that United didn't
76 LAXintl : Republic had some interesting things to say this morning. They said they saw more flying opportunities in the 2014-2015 timeframe, and made specific m
77 jayunited : I didn't bring up the cut in benefits you did and I just responded to the post that you put up where you some how came up with the ridiculous idea th
78 infiniti329 : Seems like this may headed EV/OO way, even though UA hasn't specifically announced their choice of carrier. Esp. how there may be a underlying agreeme
79 ikramerica : That's my point. For 1-2 hour flights, UA gets more back in loyalty from "segment based elites" who appreciate the assured upgrade with 12F than woul
80 kgaiflyer : Actually -- nonstop service is seasonal and comes and goes with regularity. This year daily service starts July 2nd and ends August 26th. NB - Leaves
81 VC10er : Congrats to United. I love that airplane. As for so many F seats, remember corp contracts and Star Gold and those willing to pay. Someone in internati
82 PHLapproach : Statement from Brad Holt of EV in regards to the UA E175 announcement "Most of you know that United announced late Monday it will purchase 30 three-cl
83 floridaflyboy : Hmm, never thought about that possibility. My initial thought was that RAH's resources are spread too thin between finishing Q400 ramp up and startin
84 Antoniemey : Why not? About half of their upper management (at least) is already used to the idea... Pretty sure all of the E145s are owned/leased by UAL and then
85 Krisair747 : I know its a long shot, but I wonder if Air Wisconsin will once again become a UAX flying partner? Who's to say their hat isn't in the ring? With the
86 toxtethogrady : It's unfortunate there is still scope language in the contract. If they were willing to pay their regional pilots UA scale, they could have had as ma
87 AVENSAB727 : How do you know? They have not been delivered yet. It is most likely up to the network planners to decide on what routes the planes go on.
88 Post contains images lightsaber : Good questions, who will fly these E175s? Because the other half were working 'old school.' Also as this will create friction if Expressjet doesn't fl
89 amwest2united : You would lose - 8/42/78 - 128
90 kgaiflyer : But . . . the 170s fly out of Houston -- I know because I've flown on them. Why, then, would the 175s be dispatched differently?
91 VC10er : What do the F seats look like? I can't recall. All I do remember are very old looking small F seats.
92 FL787 : Interesting, surprised they didn't go with 12F/114Y like DL. Thanks for sharing. Any idea what the new 320 configuration will be? 12F/42Y+/96Y?
93 planemaker : I guess perception is everything. The E170 F seats are up to 3" wider than any other UA NB F class seat.
94 floridaflyboy : Republic's Bryan Bedford said late last week in a memo to employees that RAH "does not want to create false hope that we're on the short list" to oper
95 FlyHossD : Answer: The lowest bidder. We already know that it wasn't ExpressJet or Compass.
96 T5towbar : Can we say "Whipsaw".................? It always goes to the lowest bidder.
97 Goldenshield : Nay. Usually, the best value wins, which could possibly be the lowest bidder. However, more than likely, there will be NO bidder for this, since this
98 xpfg : Without divulging a very trustworthy source (from corporate), OO has been discussed on taking these on heavily before it was even announced by UA by
99 Post contains links Goldenshield : And a winner is: SkyWest! http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...add-40-more-embraer-104840742.html edited to reflect that not all 70 are filled.[Edit
100 mbm3 : No, Skywest gets the 40 additional 175s, I do not think the operator for this first group of 30 is any clearer at this point.
101 Goldenshield : Or would that be the 2nd group of 30?
102 Post contains links Goldenshield : On further investigation, these initial 40 will be self-financed by SKYW, inc., and up to another 60 to be ordered once contract negotiations with the
103 PHLapproach : "Earlier today our parent company, SkyWest, Inc., announced it has entered into an agreement with Embraer to purchase 100 E175 aircraft with options f
104 FlyHossD : No. In today's environment, it's the lowest bidder.
105 Goldenshield : If that were true, then GoJets would have won every RFP since their inception.
106 FriendlySkies : So...any chance this means a good chunk of those OO CR2s are going away soon?
107 apodino : So the question still remains....who is flying the EJets that UA actually ordered with their money? That has not been answered yet.
108 Goldenshield : Perhaps a few, but I suspect these are straight growth.
109 ORDBOSEWR : I highly doubt this. UA has been beating the 'capacity discipline' drum for quite a long time and I find it hard for them to change that tune. This w
110 Goldenshield : I highly doubt that since it would be impossible to achieve that number from SkyWest.
111 FlyHossD : From what I've heard, they don't bid on every contract (this from a current GoJets jet jockey). Rather, they realize that they'd be hard pressed to d
112 Goldenshield : I can agree with that, although, unless he's a mangement pilot, I doubt the company just up and tells their pilots just what they do and do not bid o
113 ORDBOSEWR : I never said that this the removal of 50-seaters was going to be done via one express carrier. Nevermind that UA has a ton of 50 seaters with Skywest
114 Goldenshield : You're welcome to not believe a word I say; however, the sources I have say otherwise.
115 STT757 : As I mentioned previously, look for more in a similarly aggressive delivery schedule. Under the new pilot contract UA can add up to 153 76 seaters by
116 Antoniemey : 105 XRs, close to 150 LRs. A few leftover 135s, too.
117 RyanairGuru : While I feel sorry for the EV crews that will suffer (IMHO they're some of the best regional crews out there) I think this will be where we see the b
118 Post contains links ORDBOSEWR : As of the current fleet plan posted on the UA investor site they plan to end 2013 with: Q300 - 5 Q200 - 16 ERJ-145 - 277 ERJ-135 - 7 CRJ200 - 75 EMB-
119 Goldenshield : I'll believe this when I see it. Until then, they are are pretty crucial on many west coast small markets.
120 STT757 : I think he was just listing how many are in the fleet at the end of the year, not subtracting.
121 Goldenshield : I know what he meant. The thing is, they've been on a "retirement schedule" for a long time. The problem is, though, that this schedule keeps getting
122 Joeljack : Well I red on another thread a month or so ago there are currently 88 mainline planes in some sort of modification and out of service. ie...dtv, bins,
123 ThePinnacleKid : Nope... incorrect. When XE was sold to SkyWest in 2010, SkyWest, Inc. negotiated a new CPA with pmCO to ensure carrier viability for their investment
124 ORDBOSEWR : It was simply a chart to show the totals, I have no clue what is leaving or staying. If we believe what the pilot contract says then the reality is t
125 Goldenshield : I've stated my answer in post 121. I'm not disagreeing that somewhere that something has to give. SkyWest took a reduction in form of aircraft swaps
126 FriendlySkies : Does anyone know the details on UA's contracts with the former ASA CR2s, or the Trans States E145s, or Mesa CR7s? I wonder if those are set to lapse a
127 RyanairGuru : Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. That's good to know.
128 apodino : Golden shield...the DL contract is shrinking...and the UA contract is shrinking because of scope limits both places...and the only other option for ne
129 Goldenshield : I don't like the thought of others going under---especially those with a long history like yours---given the number of people that would be put on th
130 Post contains links STT757 : So the total ERJ-175 order thus far: 30 firm plus 40 options from UA 40 firm for UA plus 60-100 options for other carriers from OO So total commitment
131 toxtethogrady : I don't. Pure speculation based on Smisek's previous track record. He really has not shown that he knows how to properly use the asset. As it is, he
132 toxtethogrady : But . . . the 170s fly out of Houston As far as I've been able to observe, they fly the longer hauls like IAH-YUL. But the bulk of the 70-seaters are
133 toxtethogrady : And losing money as a result. "Capacity discipline" is collusion between supposed competitors by a different name.
134 Joeljack : The E170's have 70 seats but the Cr7's only have 66 seats I believe. If I read this right, the CR7's wouldn't count against the 70-76 seat allowed ai
135 STT757 : The CR-7s absolutely count towards their 70-76 seat regional quotas, as does the Q400 and ERJ-170s.
136 Post contains links toxtethogrady : Just a hint for Jeff Smisek... http://finance.yahoo.com/news/housto...hy-texas-juggernaut-125536748.html
137 STT757 : That just solidifies what happened, Chicago was desperate to bring in jobs and Houston feeling confident in their robust job market choose not to mat
138 Deltal1011man : OO isn't getting smaller for Delta. EV is getting a tad smaller but capacity is about the same or up. (they dumped some CRJs for 16 9E CR9s) OO/EV/RP
139 Goldenshield : This is a big "wait and see" for me. All 3 carriers are capable to fly the CR9, which makes an all-out war for them, but Delta then has to worry abou
140 infiniti329 : 1. So who's gonna fly these? since nearly all the regional's have told their employees it not them (which I dont believe to be true) 2. If it is OO ca
141 jolau1701 : I'm surprised OO is getting them, what happened to their MRJ's?
142 Goldenshield : Still a firm deal. It's still at least 6 months before first flight,and 18 months until the first aircraft is delivered, and then 3.5 years until SKY
143 Deltal1011man : true point. and with the focus on the west coast it could very will mean some OO orders. and I for one would MUCH rather see DCI get 30 more E75s....
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