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User currently offlineORDTLV2414 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 328 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4105 times:
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So B6 is starting its first service at PHL, they are starting PHL-BOS. dont know the details yet. What do you guys think about the future of PHL service, can we expect to see expansion into the Carreibian, California and maybe even ORD? Does B6 even have enough planes to expand at this point?

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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

I think PHL-FLL/SJU are plausable. But first we need to see how B6 does on BOS-PHL

User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

How about PHL-MCO,FLL,TPA or a west coast like LAX or SFO.

User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

Quoting doulasc (Reply 2):
How about PHL-MCO,FLL,TPA or

North/South routes seem to work well for B6. I wouldnt be surprised if these were in the future for PHL along with SJU



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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

Quoting doulasc (Reply 2):
How about PHL-MCO,FLL,TPA or a west coast like LAX or SFO.

PHL-LAX/SFO is already pretty well saturated. US/UA/VX offered a high number of frequencies last year and they have since backed off a bit for the upcoming summer. For whatever reason PHL doesn't command a huge demand on LAX/SFO.

B6 has to compete with US/WN on the Florida markets but WN is on the retreat at PHL so B6 might be able to gain a foot hold.

Though once again I think any expansion may be dependant on the success of BOS-PHL which has historically favored US over any other airline.


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Quoting doulasc (Reply 2):

Why? VX US UA have the west coast covered, Florida markets are saturated with WN,FL,US. US would wreck them on SJU, they have so much capacity. ORD: No. WN UA US have that covered. Just be glad you got B6. Even BOS will be a struggle with some 16X daily US flights, B6 should be able to hold its own on that route.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

You will likely see SJU and/or Florida

User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3391 times:

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Thread starter):
and maybe even ORD?

Taking on a combined US/AA between their two hubs, as well as UA which can feed traffic to PHL via their ORD hub? No. Others may have the metrics more handy, but I can't imagine that enough O/D traffic exists to make the yields worthwhile when divvied up between two mainline carriers and an LCC.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Thread starter):
What do you guys think about the future of PHL service, can we expect to see expansion into the Carreibian, California and maybe even ORD? Does B6 even have enough planes to expand at this point?



I would expect routes to Florida next. Perhaps a route to SJU, but I don't think you will see too much B6 expansion out of PHL.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6608 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6):
You will likely see SJU and/or Florida

100% agree.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 5):
US would wreck them on SJU,

Well, they'd do that on PHL-BOS too, wouldn't they?



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineboslax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

jetBlue is initiating BOS-PHL nonstop service with the Boston business community in mind. While Southwest failed to capture a significant share of the Boston originating market when they served BOS-PHL, jetBlue will fare much better since they have such strong presence in the Boston market. With that said, expansion out of PHL, especially to Florida, where 75% of the traffic originates in PHL, would be a hard battle to fight. Why bother when there are other more profitable expansion opportunities elsewhere across the jetBlue network.

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 9):

The difference with BOS is they have awhile connecting feed to help them out.SJU is much more smaller


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

They'll do fine with BOS! It will be tough though

[Edited 2013-05-01 12:42:45]

User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

B6 may have a strong presence in BOS, but US has a huge presence in the PHL market with hourly service to BOS during the week and a very loyal frequent flyer base. I wish them luck, but I predict that B6 will get crushed on this route. I'll give them 12 months. I do see yields deteriorating however on both sides, in a bitter fare battle.

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2812 times:

Quoting boslax (Reply 10):
jetBlue is initiating BOS-PHL nonstop service with the Boston business community in mind. While Southwest failed to capture a significant share of the Boston originating market when they served BOS-PHL, jetBlue will fare much better since they have such strong presence in the Boston market.

How's B6 doing w/BWI-BOS, they've flown that route for several years (competing w/both FL & WN the whole time)?

To date, that the only route B6 flies out of BWI. Similar could hold true for them at PHL. One needs to remember that unlike WN, B6 is more of a traditional hub & spoke carrier vs. point-to-point.



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User currently offlineORDTLV2414 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2745 times:
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PHL needs more competition.

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6608 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 14):
One needs to remember that unlike WN, B6 is more of a traditional hub & spoke carrier vs. point-to-point.

How so?


They have only one hub JFK.

LGB, MCO, FLL & BOS are more like focus cities.......with (you guessed it)......P2P routes.



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Reply 15):

PHL needs more competition.

I think NK will launch PHL-FLL first, while WN pulls out while maybe holding on just PHL-MCO. But by then, B6 won't have interest to fly PHL-FLL, unless it built up it's Central and S. America network which is probably too far off from this moment.

But maybe like SWF, B6 could launch service at ABE with nominal 1x ABE-FLL and 1x ABE-MCO. Allentown is now part of the New York CSA and B6 likes to service NY area airports. TTN-Florida seems like an idea B6 missed, but it has EWR-Florida.

[Edited 2013-05-02 09:25:56]

User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3473 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 17):
But maybe like SWF, B6 could launch service at ABE with nominal 1x ABE-FLL and 1x ABE-MCO. Allentown is now part of the New York CSA and B6 likes to service NY area airports.

How is Allentown a part of the NYC CSA, it's about an hour from PHL. ABE is not an NY area airport.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 16):
They have only one hub JFK.

LGB, MCO, FLL & BOS are more like focus cities.......with (you guessed it)......P2P routes.

That could be open for debate; IMHO, BOS is more than just a focus city for B6. Keep in mind since JFK is slot-restricted, B6 clearly needed a relatively close reliever hub; BOS seemed to fit the bill for them.

Granted, if B6 considers all of the above-listed airports as hubs; JFK certainly is the largest among them in their system.

Hubs generally offer more potentials for connections than do focus cities and I believe many B6 connection-based itineraries are done involving a stop at BOS.

Additionally, just because a carrier is viewed as a hub-and-spoke carrier doesn't mean they have no P2P routes at all; they just don't have a majority of them within the airline's entire route system.

[Edited 2013-05-02 11:16:03]


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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 18):
How is Allentown a part of the NYC CSA, it's about an hour from PHL. ABE is not an NY area airport.

It became part of the CSA this year with Lehigh Valley being a commuter bedroom community for NY. A 1x to MCO and 1x FLL might work like it does at SWF, and there is no direct competition from US, WN or NK there.

[Edited 2013-05-02 12:09:31]

User currently offlinelat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 12):
They'll do fine with BOS! It will be tough though

Will hopefully influence the comically high fares to the South at PVD, where US owns the PHL show since WN ceased rhe route.


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