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UA's Curious Y Drinks Policy  
User currently offlinestratacruiser From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 95 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15860 times:

Almost eighteen months after merging operations, United still hasn't rationalized the CO and UA policies on charging for alcohol in international Y class. On SFO-HKG and ICN-SFO flights (sUA) last week the booze was free in Y, but flying EWR-LHR (sCO) a few weeks earlier passengers had to pay for any alcohol. The dicotomy is particularly noticeable if one makes an RT on each subsidiary - connecting EWR one way and IAD the other for instance. Hope when they finally standardize, its to the UA practice, rather than CO's. Cheers!

Dave

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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15848 times:

Quoting stratacruiser (Thread starter):
Almost eighteen months after merging operations, United still hasn't rationalized the CO and UA policies on charging for alcohol in international Y class. On SFO-HKG and ICN-SFO flights (sUA) last week the booze was free in Y, but flying EWR-LHR (sCO) a few weeks earlier passengers had to pay for any alcohol. The dicotomy is particularly noticeable if one makes an RT on each subsidiary - connecting EWR one way and IAD the other for instance. Hope when they finally standardize, its to the UA practice, rather than CO's. Cheers!

They have standardized actually....transpacific and intra-Asia/Micronesia flights offer free beer/wine flights to and from Japan have free Sake as well.....all other regions you have to pay for alcohol in Y.



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User currently onlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15779 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 1):

  

And it's clearly stated in the inflight magazine.



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User currently offlinedtwlax From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15279 times:

Why the discrimination? Why do transatlantic passengers have to pay for drinks?
Does not make sense.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15173 times:

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 3):
Why do transatlantic passengers have to pay for drinks?

That's the way that UA chooses for it to be... 

pmCO charged for alcohol on all international flights, pmUA had free alcohol on transpacific and intra-asia flights. The current policy is something of a hybrid of both policies....ie you have to pay for hard liquor on transpacific flights now but beer/wine/sake is free.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25346 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15061 times:

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 3):

Why the discrimination? Why do transatlantic passengers have to pay for drinks?
Does not make sense.

Sure it does - different competitive dynamics in different markets.

Same reason why excess baggage fees are different between routes, or fare and their rules can be extremely different market to market.



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15043 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 2):

I flew LAX-SYD two weeks ago, and drinks in Y were certainly NOT free, and the mag made no mention of regional differentiation of the policy.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14917 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):

True but now they are behind their peers on this policy. Even US will be offering free beer and wine soon on all intercontinental long haul flights.



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2188 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14915 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Sure it does - different competitive dynamics in different markets.

Not really sure how you can substantiate this when noting Delta and American have been providing free beer and wine in Y on ALL transcontinental flights to Asia, Europe and deep South America for several years now. US Airways also just announced last week that wine will be free on all Europe, South America and Israel flights starting Wednesday (May 1).

Honestly, beer and wine costs the airline pennies. The boxed wine is usually so bad anyways nobody wants to consume it in excessive quantities, at least per my recent observations. Charging for liquor, however definitely does make sense.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6):
I flew LAX-SYD two weeks ago, and drinks in Y were certainly NOT free, and the mag made no mention of regional differentiation of the policy.

I also agree with the OP that the CO/UA policy is probably NOT as transparent as one might think. AKA, I wouldn't be surprised if a passenger is charged flying IAH-NRT or EWR-HKG/PEK/PVG vs on a flight from any sUA hub to Asia. I do know that from first hand experience, UA charges for all alcohol in Y on the India flights (having flown EWRDEL last August). Then again, India flights are categorized as "transatlantic."



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User currently onlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14684 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6):
I flew LAX-SYD two weeks ago, and drinks in Y were certainly NOT free, and the mag made no mention of regional differentiation of the policy.

Obviously, you didn't read reply #2, to which I was referring. Beer and wine are free on trans-pacific flights.

Also, it was in Hemispheres magazine in Feb when I flew SFO-SYD and in March when I flew SYD-LAX and it was in there last night when I flew LAS-IAH.

Page 158. http://www.ink-live.com/emagazines/h...-2013/files/mobile/tablet.html#158



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 14528 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 9):

If it is indeed the policy, it is not being enforced correctly. An announcement was made after take off that alcoholic beverages were $7 in economy. Point is, it's not consistent.


User currently offlineewr767 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12385 times:

Um I don't know if you've heard. United is a business that's answers to shareholders. That business is to make money and be competitive in markets that we serve, PERIOD.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12165 times:

Quoting ewr767 (Reply 11):

By your own words then, they are not competitive in this aspect. Just comes off as being a little cheap.



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User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12166 times:

Lets remember, UA is the carrier who planned to roll out a policy of charging for meals on Trans Atlantic flights a few years back. Due to negative response, this idea was scrapped.

It is no shock that alcohol comes for a fee.

As for the trans pac, it is not the first time that I heard about variation in sales policies of beer and wine. Sometimes, it is a simple matter of reminding the F/A that on Trans Pac flights the rules are different.

Quoting ewr767 (Reply 11):
Um I don't know if you've heard. United is a business that's answers to shareholders. That business is to make money and be competitive in markets that we serve, PERIOD.

Yes, every time we buy a ticket, pay the fuel surcharge, pay for an aisle seat, pay for our bag to be gate checked because no more bin space, buy a set of headphones, whatever... We are painfully aware that air carriers are not charities.

When they list amenities which one is offered along with the transport however, it is reasonable for one to expect these amenities as stated, be it a movie, a reclining seat, a beer, a pair of pink slippers, whatever.
If I went to a nice restaurant, ordered steak and lobster, and got a hamburger and shrimp, Would I have to suck it up because the restaurant is in the business to eliminate hunger, and generate revenue? Certainly not.

We have carriers who offer varying degrees of services/frills/goodies, and consumers are free to purchase what they feel meets their needs. If UA offers what you need for what you feel is an agreeable price...go for it. If Ryan Air offers the price but not your desired level of services/goodies/frills, you are responsible for your own disappointment.

To this end, I too find the UA policy curiously complex, but it seems the same with baggage policies too.

Tom



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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11871 times:

Incidentally, the onboard entertainment charges on domestic are different, as well. On the former pm/UA equipment, there is just the basic entertainment system, which is free. On former pm/CO equipment, there is DirectTV where there are over 100 channels, there is a charge. That policy makes sense.

As for international trips, it makes no sense for the difference on the pricing for alcohol. SFO-NRT and SFO-LHR are similar distances. Japanese and Brits drink roughly the same amount, in a general sense. So why the discrimination??


User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11800 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 14):
As for international trips, it makes no sense for the difference on the pricing for alcohol. SFO-NRT and SFO-LHR are similar distances. Japanese and Brits drink roughly the same amount, in a general sense. So why the discrimination??

I think you will find it is the competitive forces - The AustralAsian airlines tend not to charge for drinks, so the US competitors have to respond. There may not be such competitive forces on the transAtlantic routes.


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11706 times:

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 15):
I think you will find it is the competitive forces - The AustralAsian airlines tend not to charge for drinks, so the US competitors have to respond. There may not be such competitive forces on the transAtlantic routes.

I don't know of any other mainline carrier that charges for alcoholic drinks on trans atlantic services.
How can British Airways and Virgin Atlantic, Air France, Alitalia, Lufthansa, Swiss, LOT etc etc etc offer a complimentary alcoholic beverage service and United can't? And UA is not a low fare airline either.

In 2009 my father and I traveled to San Francisco with UA in Economy Gold- we'd paid extra thinking it would be similar to BA's premium economy or Virgin's but when we asked for wine with our dinner she then said "that will be $10 please".
At first we thought she was joking but quickly we realised that she wasn't.. On the flight back we changed planes in Frankfurt and on the 1 hour 30 minute hop Lufthansa couldn't offer enough to make your flight more comfortable- beer, wine, spirits, you name it. Even on my 50 minute domestic flights to Scotland you get a full bar service with BA.



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User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11657 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 14):
As for international trips, it makes no sense for the difference on the pricing for alcohol. SFO-NRT and SFO-LHR are similar distances. Japanese and Brits drink roughly the same amount, in a general sense. So why the discrimination??

I think it is UA being clueless about the business they are in. The have LCC levels of service at a premium price and high overheads. My last flight with UA was about 2 years ago from BOS to SFO and I was shocked about the state of the 757 and level of service for a 6 hour trip while my company paid USD$700 for the one way fare - seated at the second last row while being star gold and probably paying the highest fare of all passengers on board. I really can not remember a flight this bad ever.
I think trans pacific they put alcohol back in because having the guts to charge for that on a 12 hour flight while being a "full service airline" is just unimaginable in Asia and I am pretty sure they would have lost corporate contracts for that reason (high level asia staff fly often in Y, while similar level of staff in US, Europe and Asia would fly J).


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11325 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 7):
True but now they are behind their peers on this policy. Even US will be offering free beer and wine soon on all intercontinental long haul flights.

This will probably be what forces UA to roll back their own policy. After US's upgrade (May 1st is the day), the only airlines in the trans-Atlantic market which still charge for beer and wine will be cheap and dirty charters.

By the way, the F/As at US seem to already be applying the new policy, at least for your first drink. I flew trans-Atlantic with them last week, and both ways I was not charged.

Westbound, I asked for a beer with lunch, credit card in hand. The F/A handed it to me with the words "I'll come back for that next week."

Eastbound, I asked for a red wine and a cognac with dinner, again credit card in hand. "That's all right sir, enjoy your meal."

Nice! It probably helped that I was sitting right at the front of the cabin in seats usually reserved for frequent flyers (I hold Star Alliance Gold status, though not from US). I don't know what my chances of that would have been had I been seated in 47E.



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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1246 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10307 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 9):
Obviously, you didn't read reply #2, to which I was referring. Beer and wine are free on trans-pacific flights.

Is it, then, your contention that LAX-SYD would not be considered transpac? Perhaps, a geography lesson is in order.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6):
I flew LAX-SYD two weeks ago, and drinks in Y were certainly NOT free, and the mag made no mention of regional differentiation of the policy.



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User currently offlinejreuschl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10306 times:

Are there other foreign carriers with US service that charge for alcohol? I know AB does not.

User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 777 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10080 times:

Yeah I'm afraid EI charge for alcohol in Y transatlantic. Personally I think for the extra euro it may cost them they should include it!


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User currently offline757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9557 times:

As a premier platinum member of mileage Plus I think that such frequent travellers should be able to get free alcohol in Y upon showing your frequent flyer card. I am based in London and fly 80000+ miles a year on UA metal and really despise paying for a beer or spirit on a 9hr flight to the US!

User currently offlinegizmonc From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9336 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 16):
I don't know of any other mainline carrier that charges for alcoholic drinks on trans atlantic services.
How can British Airways and Virgin Atlantic, Air France, Alitalia, Lufthansa, Swiss, LOT etc etc etc offer a complimentary alcoholic beverage service and United can't? And UA is not a low fare airline either.

Quote from www.delta.com :

Alcoholic Beverages
A selection of complimentary beers, wines, spirits and cocktails are offered in the First Class cabin. And for our Delta Shuttle travelers, complimentary beer and wine is offered throughout the cabin and complimentary cocktails are offered in First Class on all Delta Shuttle flights.

I flew ATL DUB in Jan and there was a charge for alcohol in COACH.


User currently offlineORDJOE From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9211 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 4):
ie you have to pay for hard liquor on transpacific flights now but beer/wine/sake is free.

As of Nov 2011 liquor was free (they even had some good stuff like Gran Marnier, Jim Beam black and a few others) but alas no more.

Quoting jreuschl (Reply 20):

Are there other foreign carriers with US service that charge for alcohol? I know AB does not.

This is only a guess but those european airlines that are pretty much leisure oriented (Condor, Thomson? and the like) would charge.

I am almost certain Icelandair you have to pay for booze in Y.


25 BestWestern : I've no problem paying for spirits on Long Haul flights. That way, I pay for the quality I want, rather than be given undrinkable red colored product
26 raffik : I read that DL's policy is to offer complimentary alcoholic beverages in Y on all flights exceeding 6 hours in duration?
27 CoachClass : [ SAS Scandinavian. From what I've read on their website and heard from others, you get a free drink with a meal, but afterwards, ALL drinks, alcoholi
28 bobloblaw : That isnt an answer as to why there is inconsistent policy why they are charging in some places but not others.
29 ewr767 : It's called what the market dictates. Get over it ford motor doesn't charge the same price for a sun roof as Buick. It the market dictates that people
30 nwa744tpa : Recent new policy on DL. Free beer ,wine, spirits on ALL international flights in Economy Comfort, as well as JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO nonstops each way. I
31 beachbum1970 : A little off topic, but I suppose this could still fall under "UA's Curious Y Drinks Policy." Just flew round trip DEN-BOS last week in Y and on both
32 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Congrats UA, US offers more service in Y now.
33 BoeingGuy : Interesting. NW had exactly the opposite policy: free drinks Trans-Atlantic (to match KL) and a charge to Japan.
34 SonomaFlyer : Until UA starts feeling the heat either from frequent flyers or from the flying public, they will continue with these dysfunctional service difference
35 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : Yes, and it is not 'curious". Just cheap, or low frills. Well, maybe that's 'cause they are a company from Chicago, and they call it pop there!
36 kevin752 : After flying to Europe for the first time in several years this past fall and was seated in Y back to USA . I would have gladly paid for food in Y cl
37 FlyASAGuy2005 : That is the domestic policy. If you read further, you will see that beer and wine is free on all intercontinental flights over 5 hours (basically all
38 AngMoh : Maybe UA should learn from EK: give people a couple of drinks and they don't mind being 10 abreast on a 777 anymore. Actually i am quite serious about
39 hohd : UA is a cheap airline for service (worse than many LCCs), but not for price. They lost money the first quarter inspite of skimping on everything. That
40 Norcal773 : Sometimes I wonder why I've stuck wit UA for so many years now, even though I've even been offered a free Elite Status to jump ship to OneWorld by AA!
41 FlyASAGuy2005 : You're still missing the point. UA is actually going AGAINST the grain right now... Not one of their peers charge for beer or wine in the back on the
42 Post contains links BestWestern : Fully agree. Some European airlines have done that (KL, AF, EI spring to mind) - an option to upgrade your meal to something edible. http://www.flyer
43 MaverickM11 : Yeah but people say things like this ALL the time and then never put their money where their mouth is. If they did then you'd have incredible IFE, me
44 jayunited : How many United frequently fliers have voice their concerns directly to United about this issue? I ask the question because after the merger closed ma
45 AngMoh : I put my money where my mouth is and pay up to 30% more to get decent service (last case for holiday: SIN-AMS-SIN KL SGD$1100, SQ SGD$1450, I flew SQ
46 Cubsrule : If the take rate for better food really "approached zero," I'd imagine DineFresh and A la Carte meals would have been abolished.
47 BoeingGuy : All you have to do is ask for the whole can. All carriers have this policy now, I believe, for only the cup. AS just gives the cups on west coast fli
48 RDH3E : UA doesn't serve boxed wine on any flights. I flew to COS last month on UAX from ORD and was served a decent FRENCH red. In a bottle. French wine on
49 tommy767 : If you don't want to be charged for beer/wine TATL just fly DL. They seem to not care very much.
50 BoeingGuy : I think that's because their J.V. agreements with AF and KL require them to have the same standards of service. AF and KL give free drinks in Coach f
51 tommy767 : If that's the case you'd figure UA would get onboard with some of their closer Star partners that give out free booze in coach TATL-- LH and AC for i
52 hohd : According to the JV UA, LH and AC are supposed to share all revenues (tickets, baggage, onboard). Then I dont see why UA is still charging for beer/wi
53 FlyASAGuy2005 : Not exactly... Before DL got wrapped up in the JV/ATI with AF/KLM, they were serving beer and wine for free in the back. This was even before the mer
54 BoeingGuy : Oh really? I heard differently. I heard that they didn't not serve free beer and wine in the back, except on the JNB flight. I guess it doesn't matte
55 brilondon : Is that to conform to AA's policy or are they going to have a new policy once the merger goes through?
56 MaverickM11 : UAX generally has better service than UA mainline in my experience The catering company is already pushing out meals for F/J--a couple incremental me
57 Cubsrule : Oddly, I believe the program that did just that--NH used to let Y passengers buy J meals--has been abolished.
58 CALTECH : Do not believe United pays for anything other than the fuel lugging that equipment around. LiveTV does the maintanance and upkeep at the hubs, and Un
59 tommy767 : It's a fact -- free beer and wine TATL on Delta. And in Economy Comfort -- free spirits. Why doesn't UA at least give free booze to it's elites in E+
60 airbazar : Really? Have you tried flying airlines that have better service and amenities? They are usually not the cheapest and they tend to be highly profitabl
61 michman : Pre-ATI, DL offered one free beer/wine with dinner in Y. Post-ATI, they loosened the policy to permit more than one free beer/wine in Y. EC gets free
62 MaverickM11 : Such as? LCC/ULCCs are beating the pants off most of them, if not all of them. Of network carriers in the Western Hemisphere, CM of all carriers is p
63 michman : NW instituted the charging for alcohol on TPAC flights starting Feb, 2006. Prior to that, it was free like TATL flights. I believe the DL/NW alcohol
64 flyingalex : That group is larger than you would think, and I do the same. My usual MO when going to the States from Germany is to fly AC on the way there (to ben
65 AAexecplat : Aegean, right? Or is it Turkish?
66 spud757 : Forget the US carriers on TATL. Just fly with a European carrier. Free beer, bottled wine and branded spirits in Y on BA & VS. I choose a UK carr
67 SonomaFlyer : It's unfortunate but true. For the record, I have brought up the issue to UA. The folks I've been actually able to speak to live on the phone or in p
68 flyingalex : Lufthansa, actually, if you must know.
69 sankaps : The market indeed dictates. And it has dictated that asa result of its dysfunctional customer policies, UA has low customer satisfaction scores and i
70 N766UA : Because UAL stinks?
71 SonomaFlyer : If they felt the heat, they would've made changes to their product to reflect the reality of the airlines competing against them on international rou
72 N766UA : Or not, for the afformentioned reason. DAL moved their call centers back from India because, frankly, they're awful. DAL is now doing quite well for
73 sankaps : That is if they are a competently managed organization that cares for its customers. Or else they will continue their decline and losses will continu
74 MaverickM11 : I don't think so--if people were paying a premium for service and taking one stops to avoid a bad product on the nonstop, you'd see something like a
75 Post contains links RDH3E : "During the first quarter, the company generated $393 million of operating cash flow"....hmmmm so bleeding cash = generating cash? http://ir.unitedco
76 sankaps : It would be interesting to see how this compares to the OCF generated by DL? How much more OCF might UA have generated if it listened to its customer
77 Post contains links RDH3E : I'm not denying underperformance, just correcting the poster who stated UA was bleeding cash. From DL: "Cash flows from operating activities continue
78 CoachClass : I'm curious about the costs involved in the airlines' drink policies. Of course it costs the airlines to stock spirits, wine and beer. Apparently US a
79 tommy767 : It's not that they stink per say, it's that they are currently being run by some of the cheapest executives in the industry. One has to wonder how co
80 sankaps : Thank you. so DL has 2.5 times more OCF than UA. I think that proves the point conclusively.
81 hohd : While UA needs to revise its TATL policies on beer/wine to Y pax, every airline in the USA has atleast a drawback. DL's Sky miles are notoriously diff
82 IrishAyes : Are you in complete denial? United lost over $400M last quarter when EVERY single US carrier earned a profit, including the one in BK. Even if $400M
83 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Ugh! The outrage! The horror! VX is the only one burning cash as far as I know in the US, are they not?
84 RDH3E : Just in case you wanted to fact check: From AA's release: "GAAP Net Loss of $341 Million, a $1.3 Billion Improvement over First Quarter 2012." https:
85 IrishAyes : On the back of $349 million in reorganization and special items expenses. Without these, American recorded an $8 million profit. VX doesn't publish t
86 RDH3E : Point is you weren't being truthful. If you don't make money in Q3 you're doomed. From your cited release, VX had 75M of unrestricted cash at that ti
87 Viscount724 : But, while pre-clearance in Canada is convenient, the total elapsed time for any one-stop connection in Canada must be significantly longer than a no
88 MaverickM11 : Uh, yes they do and... ...for the most recent available VX data, they've had something like a net -12% margin, versus UA's -4% during the same period
89 Post contains images AngMoh : You are like my daughter when talking about school results: "I am ok because there is always someone else who is worse than me" UA stinks. That's it.
90 sankaps : You must mean Air India. Indian Airlines, which was mainly domestic, did not typically serve alcohol on their flights.
91 tommy767 : Sounds about right!
92 AngMoh : Indian Airlines flew SIN-BLR. They had the mini bottles. I asked for one, they gave me one and asked if I wanted more. I said "no" but they gave me 3
93 RyanairGuru : I'm sorry, are you actually comparing profit/loss on the basis of providing alcohol? Or even on the basis of customer service metrics? Or indeed that
94 sankaps : RyanairGuru: What I am saying is that companies that do not listen to their customers, fall behind their competitors, and refuse to adapt to the mark
95 Post contains links tommy767 : http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....-newsArticle&ID=1777521&highlight= Wrong. Full year 2012 they lost 723 mill with special charges includ
96 SonomaFlyer : In the interest of perspective, financial statements break apart the operating profit/loss versus "special charges" for a reason. Investors want to s
97 tommy767 : That clearly has nothing to do with it at all. They are ditching the 757s for no reason other than the management is anal about having a younger flee
98 RDH3E : Tommy, you need to stop. All you are doing is stirring the pot by providing factually inaccurate statements, and taking other decisions out of contex
99 tommy767 : What are you talking about? I got that press release from United's website 10% CASM advantage? Is that even worth it? Also I think my DL point stands
100 SonomaFlyer : The acquisition of a/c by UA is different than DL. Some of the 757s are on leases which are expiring. Financially, they made a decision to release th
101 flyingalex : Nonstops are only half the question. For a lot of routings, there isn't a nonstop available. But that was not the point. What I often see is a fare p
102 RyanairGuru : Sorry Sankaps, I guess I came other a bit rough. I actually wasn't addressing you personally, but rather several up-posts in aggregate but only quote
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UA Summer 2013 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type posted Wed Apr 24 2013 21:36:05 by FSDan
Feds Delays Policy For Carrying Knives On Board posted Mon Apr 22 2013 17:24:38 by Gonzalo
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