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BA's W13 LHR Longhaul Schedule Changes  
User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15910 times:

British Airways have in recent weeks made a number of changes to there W13 LHR longhaul Schedule. Below are details of the changes

NOTE: The changes are correct as of today. Further changes are highly likely to be made over the months to come. BA plan to be operating 4 788's by the start of W13. BA have as yet not announced which routes will be operated by a 788 during W13.


Bangkok

W13 will see BA make a number of changes to it's service to BKK. Flights to BKK will be operated by a 3 class 777 and transfer from LHR T3 to T5 from the start of W13. The schedule has also been changed with flights to BKK departing mid afternoon. Return flights to LHR from BKK will become a day flight departing BKK late morning arriving LHR late afternoon.

Schedule below:

BA009 LHR 15:05 BKK 09:20 777 D
BA010 BKK 10:55 LHR 16:55 777 D

BA operated during W12 a daily 4 class 747 from LHR T3 to BKK, Flights departed LHR late evening and arrived BKK mid afternoon Return flights from BKK departed just after midnight arriving at LHR T3 early am.

The changes will result in the First product no longer being offered on the route. BA will also offer 4 less J seats, 12 less WTP seats and 32 less WT seats daily on the route.

Beijing

4 class 777 will operate 6 x weekly through W13. 6 x weekly 747 operated W12

Boston

Will increase to 24 x weekly for W13 from the 3 x daily frequency operated W12.

BA213 LHR 11:25 BOS 13:55 747 D
BA203 LHR 14:55 BOS 17:25 777 1
BA203 LHR 15:00 BOS 17:30 777 36
BA215 LHR 16:30 BOS 18:50 747 D
BA239 LHR 19:15 BOS 21:40 777 D

BA238 BOS 08:05 LHR 19:30 777 D
BA212 BOS 17:55 LHR 05:15 747 D
BA202 BOS 19:45 LHR 07:05 777 136
BA214 BOS 21:10 LHR 08:25 747 D

Chennai

Route will increase in frequency from 5 to 6 x weekly. 3 class 777 continues to operate

Entebbe

3 x weekly 3 class 767 service will continue to operate with changes to the routes days of operation. Flight will depart LHR Days 1,4 & 6 (W12 operated Days 2,4 & 7). Flights will depart EBB days 2,5 & 7 (W12 operated Days 1,3 &5)

Hong Kong

Remains 2 x daily

BA025/BA026 - A380 will operate daily from 15th November (747 ops from 27th October to 14th November)
BA027/BA028 - Will be operated 5 x weekly by a 4 class 777 and 2 x weekly by a 77W.

Houston

77W will once again operate the BA195/BA194 rotation daily. Overall frequency on the route remains unchanged at 2 x daily

Hyderabad

6 x weekly frequency introduced during S13 continues during W13. 3 class 777 that op during W12 will once again operate for W13.

Jeddah

Will operate 6 x weekly in W13. Flights operated 5 x weekly W12

Johannesburg

17 x weekly frequency that was reintroduced for S13 will continue for W13. The 4 class 777 that is operating the 3 x weekly BA033/BA034 rotation during S13 will be replaced by a 747 for W13.

Los Angeles

Flights will operate 2 x daily as they did during W12. Capacity will be increased compared to W12 due to the A380 being used on the route

BA269/BA268 - Will operate 5 x weekly using a A380 and 2 x weekly using a 747 (Days 2,6)
BA283/BA282 - Daily 747 will operate

Miami

Will operate 18 x weekly during W13. BA205/BA204 rotation will operate 4 x weekly compared to daily during W12

Montreal

Daily 3 class 777 service operating during S13 continues into w13 resulting in a increase in capacity compared to W12. 3 class 767 operated W12.

Mumbai

The 77W that operated during W12 on the BA139/BA138 rotation will be replaced by a 747 for W13. Flights remain 2 x daily.

New York (JFK)

A total of 55 flights a week will op during W13. Flights will be operated 22 x weekly by a 747 and 33 x weekly by a 4 class 777. Currently no flights are showing as being operated by a 77W

San Diego

Daily 3 class 777 continues to operate with a slight change to the schedule compared to W12. Flights will depart and arrive roughly 2 hours earlier than in W12. Outbound flights will depart LHR at 13:25 arriving SAN 16:35. Return flights will depart 18:35 arriving LHR 13:00

Seattle

Will increase from daily to 10 x weekly. The additional flights will arrive and depart LHR in the morning

BA053 LHR 09:20 SEA 10:55 777 357
BA049 LHR 14:30 SEA 16:05 747 D

BA052 SEA 14:20 LHR 07:30 777 357
BA048 SEA 18:10 LHR 11:20 747 D

Shanghai

Flights operate 6 x weekly with 4 x weekly 777 and 2 x weekly 77W operating.

[Edited 2013-04-30 18:46:47]

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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15838 times:
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Kind of surprised that both Beijing and Shanghai are less than daily.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15759 times:

Increased capacity to HKG and CTU, with increased competition and fares from Chinese carriers with ever improving hard and product.

Virgin have also downsized their PVG aircraft size.



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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15743 times:
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Sad to see the 77W not back at JFK. But with those frequencies it's still a very impressive operation


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User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15545 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Houston

77W will once again operate the BA195/BA194 rotation daily. Overall frequency on the route remains unchanged at 2 x daily

YES!! (selfish post)

I think everyone saw BKK coming. Nice to hear JFK will have an 8 daily service during the week.

Nice to see that AA feed in MIA warrants the continuation of a triple daily service on some days. BOS is simply stunning. BA is huge there, and I'm sure will be the third largest airline operating there (B6 and AA).

The 787 route announcements will be interesting.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15149 times:

Can I ask when the A380s come on line, which crew will operate them? Mixed fleet or world wide? Same with the 787s?

User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5240 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14980 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 2):
Virgin have also downsized their PVG aircraft size.

Virgin quite often swap PVT/NRT with the smalled A340-300 during quiet months.

I believe Shanghai is still 4 x weekly A340-600 and 3 x weekly A340-300


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14728 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 6):
I believe Shanghai is still 4 x weekly A340-600 and 3 x weekly A340-300
http://airlineroute.net/2013/03/27/vs-s13update7/

London Heathrow – Shanghai Pu Dong
*30APR13 – 13MAY13 Service reduce from daily to 5 weekly
*14MAY13 – 02JUN13 Service reduce from daily to 6 weekly
eff 24AUG13 A340-300 replaces A340-600 on Day x245 from LHR, Day x356 from PVG



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User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14670 times:

The A380 will be operated by Mixted fleet on the LAX and Worldwide on the HKG

User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14590 times:

Any ideas on the midhaul services to Beirut? Just had an email saying that the Beirut - London segment is switching from a 09:30 departure to 06:10 - really bad timing if you ask me. You have to be there 2 hours before departure, that's 4am.
An hour travel to the airport, 3am. Up and washed 2am so really you're not going to get alot of sleep are you!



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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 818 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 13926 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 9):
Beirut - London segment is switching from a 09:30 departure to 06:10

ba.com is showing a 6am and a 13.50 departure from BEY to LHR. The early flight arrives at LHR at 0920 - presumably better for people wanting to do a days work in London or connect with the late morning flights to the USA and Canada - as you say not so good for people wanting to have a good nights sleep though before flying.


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12716 times:

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 10):
ba.com is showing a 6am and a 13.50 departure from BEY to LHR. The early flight arrives at LHR at 0920 - presumably better for people wanting to do a days work in London or connect with the late morning flights to the USA and Canada - as you say not so good for people wanting to have a good nights sleep though before flying.

That's the one. Unfortunately on the day I'm booked to return there is only one flight - 6am.
Am I right in thinking that the 21:30 A321 arrival into Beirut overnights and departs again at 6am? Seems like a long layover. I know previously BD tagged on routes to Khartoum in this slot. Any chance BA will do this too?



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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 818 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12192 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 11):
I know previously BD tagged on routes to Khartoum in this slot. Any chance BA will do this too?

I guess, given that BA deliberately cancelled the Khartoum and Addis tag ons from BEY in recent months, they won't be coming back anytime soon.


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2482 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11702 times:

Glad to see YUL go back to year round B772 service.

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5430 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10813 times:

Can someone please clarify the situation with PHX? Has it been officially announced that the a/c will change to a T7? When is that supposed to happen and is it a permanent change? Will the flight remain daily? (Since PHX is not listed in this winter service re-cap, I assume whatever is changing at PHX is before winter and will remain that way.)

Thanks in advance for any help with this.

bb


User currently offlineblackwidow From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10260 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):

What's happened to the London-Bangkok market? Thai cant make mind up with equip either.....

Are eva making such a difference......?


User currently onlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8539 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10103 times:
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LON-BKK is low yeild, much of the traffic has been eroded by the likes of EK, EY & QR, most travellers are just looking for the cheapest way to get there and are not worried about a short stop over.

I'm impressed BA still operate to BKK.



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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8618 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 16):
LON-BKK is low yeild, much of the traffic has been eroded by the likes of EK, EY & QR, most travellers are just looking for the cheapest way to get there and are not worried about a short stop over.

I'm impressed BA still operate to BKK.

BA's BKK services may also have been weakened by the lack of all the passengers who once connected to SYD.


User currently offlinedivemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8341 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Thread starter):
Boston

Will increase to 24 x weekly for W13 from the 3 x daily frequency operated W12.

I am amazed how much demand is there for a Boston flights! I know AA will hand over its share to BA but from looking at AA, the demand at BOS has dropped out on the transatlantic routes (or so I thought).
Is there just no need for flights now or is it now just all about shuttling people from BOS to LHR to then get onward connections to Europe? (although as it will all go in and out of T5, it does make connections easier for those going on)


Miami traffic also I thought was on the Up and Up. I would of thought BA might of gone 3 daily soon with the 204/205 rotation. Maybe even start up the LGW flight again.
Took once the BA204 flight and its great IMO, as it really allows those coming from Caribbean, Central America to get lunch time/afternoon flights to MIA and then get onto the late BA flight to LHR.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7875 times:

So, LHR-MEX-LHR is 4x weekly with a 4-class 744?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinebritannia25 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7664 times:

Is Bangkok staying with the WW crew? I hope it is.

Thanks  


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7526 times:

Quoting britannia25 (Reply 20):
Is Bangkok staying with the WW crew? I hope it is.

I hope as many routes as possible go over to the new Mixed Fleet crews. Although their employment terms are worse, the level of service and the friendliness of the crew is much better.



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User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7446 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 21):

You have GOT to be kidding!


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 818 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7352 times:

Quoting divemaster08 (Reply 18):
Miami traffic also I thought was on the Up and Up. I would of thought BA might of gone 3 daily soon with the 204/205 rotation

Didn't BA and AA in effect swap a LHR to BOS and MIA rotation - so AA reduce out of BOS and increase out of MIA and vice versa for BA? So overall no net change in the number of rotations to/from each airport but with a different mix of metal.


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7151 times:
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Quoting raffik (Reply 11):
Am I right in thinking that the 21:30 A321 arrival into Beirut overnights and departs again at 6am? Seems like a long layover.

Arriving at 2130 and leaving at 0610 doesn't sound like a long layover to me. The crew will be at their hotel room at 2230 at the earliest and must leave again at 0430. That gives you 5 hours in bed at most. BEY-LHR must be a five-hour flight, nice to have a crew that is at least half awake...



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25 LJ : You're assuming that the crew who does the inbound, also does the same outboound. This doesn't have to be (and probably isn't) the case.
26 SKAirbus : I find the legacy crews to be indifferent, rude and increasingly losing the glamour and perfection they once had. Not to mention their cushey gold-pl
27 raffik : I meant long layover for the aircraft. The flight time is indeed just over 5 hours although I have seen BEY-LHR flights with a duration of 6 hours du
28 BCA2005 : With BKK moving to LHR T5, are there plans to move any longhaul services to T3? If not, what will happen to the Galleries First lounge at T3?
29 rutankrd : There is a rumour that Miami may go over to T3.
30 by738 : Would be disappointed to see MIA go to T3, and would be surprised.
31 Viscount724 : If memory correct, when most BA longhaul flights were at T4, MIA was one of the few longhaul routes at T1.
32 BA0197 : I would be too. It seems every time BA changes from a winter/summer schedule someones shouts out some AA hub that is going from T5 to T3. What was it
33 FlyCaledonian : There are still the AA flights from T3, that all carry the BA code as part of the "metal neutral" ATI deal. I'd imagine that BA First Class passenger
34 skipness1E : Not sure about T1 but it was in T3 quite recently. If there's room at T5 just keep it there and save the passengers from the horror that is T3. SKAir
35 chrisnh : The other day I noticed that all four of the circuits through Boston for Wednesday were 744s...first time since they went to 4x they've done that. Ty
36 tonystan : You two really need to grow up! Legacy crew remain great, professional, know the job inside out and do their best. Gold plated contracts? My behind!
37 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Thankyou Tonystan, I'm glad you got there first as I might not have been so polite I couldn't have put it better myself. I'm appalled by some of the a
38 Post contains images N62NA : I wish the OP had included EWR info - as I've been told many times here that EWR is an "important New York airport."
39 STT757 : The original poster wrote "New York (JFK)" Instead of just saying "New York", where as every other destination listed was just listed by the City bec
40 treebeard787 : Any changes planned for BA289/288 at PHX?
41 skipness1E : No I just disagree that you lot are half as good as you seem to believe you are, as do many customer reviews and your own management. I don't have a
42 tonystan : Well us 'lot' are a heck of a lot better than you want to give us credit for and I know the vast majority of customers recognise that! The accountant
43 BestWestern : I think the antics that surrounded the BASSA strike of a few years back still resonates among certain passengers and certain cabin crew. What is the d
44 A340600 : There's good and bad crews no matter what airline, contract, age, sex, etc. To make such broad and vastly assumptive statements is totally ridiculous.
45 N62NA : Thanks for stating the obvious, but it doesn't address my question. If EWR is one of the "New York" airports, don't ya think the OP would have done a
46 timboflier215 : I'm confused as to what the problem is. The OP's list only shows airports where BA are changing frequencies from previous seasons. I guess EWR remain
47 Post contains images N62NA : Yep, I re-read the OP: So I guess there's no change to the EWR schedule. Thanks for pointing that out and actually answering my question!
48 Post contains links bsmalls : EWR will be served with 20 weekly frequencies, down from 21 last year. http://airlineroute.net/2013/05/01/ba-w13update2/
49 timboflier215 : You're welcome!
50 Post contains images N62NA : Oh well, so much for the idea that EWR was left out because there were no changes.
51 B747-4U3 : I believe MIA went from T3 prior to T5 opening. Might be wrong though. Granted I have only taken one Mixed Fleet flight (HND-LHR), but I found the ex
52 jumpjets : As a novice in the debate could I ask how Mr Average spots mixed fleet crew as opposed to legacy - do they have pointy heads or something? Surely as
53 rutankrd : On the right track. Mixed fleet wear a daft hat and must do so at all times !
54 Tristarsteve : But it is going to spread. Rumour has it that all A380 cabin crew will have the hat.
55 rutankrd : Even World Crew on the Hong Kong Leg ? Anyway doesn't detract from being a daft hat ! (Might be some personal bias at work - Not a fan of millenary o
56 Post contains images skipness1E : I like the hat, BA CityFlyer have them too
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