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BA's LHR Shorthaul W13 Schedule Changes  
User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9755 times:

British Airways have in recent weeks made a number of changes to there W13 LHR Shorthaul Schedule. Below are details of the changes

NOTE: The changes are correct as of today. Further changes are highly likely to be made over the months to come. What aircraft type will operate on each route is yet to be decided. Majority of routes showing as being operated only by a A319. This is usually updated in July or August

Aberdeen - Will decrease in frequency from 57 to 56 x weekly

Agadir - Frequency will increase from 2 to 3 x weekly.

Amsterdam - Frequency will increase from 57 to 59 x weekly

Athens - Frequency will increase from 19 to 20 x weekly

Barcelona - Will decrease in frequency from 47 to 44 x weekly

Budapest - Will decrease in frequency from 21 to 20 x weekly

Dusseldorf - Will decrease in frequency from 40 to 39 x weekly

Edinburgh - Will decrease in frequency from 72 to 71 x weekly

Frankfurt - Will decrease in frequency from 51 to 47 x weekly

Hamburg - Frequency will increase from 35 to 36 x weekly

Manchester - Will decrease in frequency from 73 to 68 x weekly

Nice - Frequency will increase from 35 to 36 x weekly

Paris CDG - Will decrease in frequency from 55 to 52 x weekly

Prague - Will decrease in frequency from 33 to 28 x weekly

Rome - Will decrease in frequency from 42 to 41 x weekly

Stockholm - Will decrease in frequency from 41 to 39 x weekly

Zurich - Will decrease in frequency from 41 to 39 x weekly

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User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9632 times:

Me thinks this finally means that BA will start to assign some of the short haul route slots to Longhaul routes (both existing and new). From this I have determined that BA have released 24 slot pairs for redistribution when you add up all the decreases in SH frequency. Wonder were they will go. I predict the following:

Seperate DOH service
KUL
new US destination (perhaps DTW, PIT, or CLT)
DAC
SCL

Or maybe some LGW route swaps.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7165 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9615 times:

24, plus the 7 from Aer Lingus.

You also have Chengdu starting this winter.



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User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9588 times:

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 1):
new US destination (perhaps DTW, PIT, or CLT)
DAC

I heard PDX and FLL were rumored.

Don't CLT and DTW already have nonstops to LHR?


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17067 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9260 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 3):
Don't CLT and DTW already have nonstops to LHR?

Yes, but not by BA/Oneworld. However, now that AA and US are merging I expect to see BA metal on the CLT route.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8873 times:

BA flew CLT-LGW with US B762s and later on theit own B763s so would be nice to see them back. DTW was dying for many years so unless the market has bounced back, it's going to be left to DL.

User currently offlinecornishsimon From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8778 times:

Seems odd that RTM & LBA are not being reduced as suggestion was that these were the slot sitting routes prior to longhaul expansion.

FLL has been suggested for some time, however most of those suggestions were for a LGW route not LHR


cs


User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8713 times:

Is because they could be planning on shipping some A319's across to the LGW fleet?

User currently offlinecornishsimon From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 7):
Is because they could be planning on shipping some A319's across to the LGW fleet?

Very possibly, however the LHR slots would have to be used for something or lost by BA


cs


User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8628 times:

Apparently a weekly service to Gran Canaria is being launched from LHR.

http://www.routes-news.com/news/1-ne..._source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3602 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8346 times:

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 8):
Very possibly, however the LHR slots would have to be used for something or lost by BA

Not neccesarily, slots workk on the basis that you have to use them 80% of the time across the scheduling season. BA can move flights by a couple of minutes on a day by day basis in order to preserve their slots.


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6330 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 3):
I heard PDX and FLL were rumored.

PDX would be neat.

What would BA have to gain by serving FLL? Some cruise traffic perhaps, but is that lucrative enough when they can just route them via MIA? Just curious.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7946 times:
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Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 6):
FLL has been suggested for some time, however most of those suggestions were for a LGW route not LHR

How would FLL work for BA when they have double daily flights 30 miles south to Miami International ? The only market for BA flying to two airports in the same place is New York, that is the only city it makes sense. Tokyo could be another but I am not so sure Haneda pays for itself.


User currently offlinecapri From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

I was wondering why they have dropped CMN they inherited from BMI, there is a huge potentials for connection flights from north America, especially with lots of people including me not happy with RAM prices and services

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7060 times:

Quoting capri (Reply 13):
I was wondering why they have dropped CMN they inherited from BMI, there is a huge potentials for connection flights from north America, especially with lots of people including me not happy with RAM prices and services

CMN has not be popular with flights to London... When EZY bought GT, neither BA nor EZY took over the route. When BA bought BD, CMN was again dropped. So I do not think we would see more of CMN except if they think of operting a LHR-CMN-DKR or LHR-CMN-RAK which I don't think will happen...



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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6992 times:

I agree with other OPs, a LHR-FLL wouldn't make much sense. But I could understand a LGW-FLL as an O&D flight. For instance, BA flies to LAS from both LGW and LHR, so why not instead of adding more frequencies to MIA or a LGW-MIA, do something "out of the box" and add new flights to FLL.

User currently offlinecornishsimon From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

FLL ex LGW would work if BA were to offer BA holiday options for thing like cruises, for which I understand a decent market exists in FLL


cs


User currently onlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2195 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6833 times:

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 16):

FLL ex LGW would work if BA were to offer BA holiday options for thing like cruises, for which I understand a decent market exists in FLL

I doubt it would happen either. If BA were to start a flight to Southern Florida from LGW, it would be to MIA in order to tie into the AA hub.

The cruise market is low yield anyways and you can easily charter buses from MIA to FLL if one operator really needs the cruise traffic.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6766 times:
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Quoting runway23 (Reply 17):
I doubt it would happen either. If BA were to start a flight to Southern Florida from LGW, it would be to MIA in order to tie into the AA hub.

The cruise market is low yield anyways and you can easily charter buses from MIA to FLL if one operator really needs the cruise traffic.

IF BA really wanted fly to another Florida city between Miami and Orlando from LGW they should consider PBI. I doubt the market there is big enough for a daily flight but a few times weekly by 787-8 might work.


User currently offlinemorrisond From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

Forgive my ignorance - when does WH13 begin?

User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 16):
FLL ex LGW would work if BA were to offer BA holiday options for thing like cruises, for which I understand a decent market exists in FLL

They tried that with SJU (ie a major cruise hub) and that was quietly dropped.


User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1846 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6436 times:

Quoting morrisond (Reply 19):
Forgive my ignorance - when does WH13 begin?

End of october


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 1):
new US destination (perhaps DTW, PIT, or CLT)

DTW was only put in, in order to fly to IAH, due to the Bermuda II.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5244 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 22):
DTW was only put in, in order to fly to IAH, due to the Bermuda II.

BOAC had served DTW for many years, it was a declining route which was chosen to be split with IAH towards the end.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17067 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

Quoting goldorak (Reply 21):
Quoting morrisond (Reply 19):
Forgive my ignorance - when does WH13 begin?

End of october

The LAX A380 flight begins on October 15.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7573 posts, RR: 17
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

Quoting morrisond (Reply 19):
when does WH13 begin?

This year on Sunday 27 October .

The Winter Timetable always starts on the last Sunday in October. The Summer Timetable starts on the last Sunday in March.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4501 posts, RR: 7
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 17):
The cruise market is low yield anyways and you can easily charter buses from MIA to FLL if one operator really needs the cruise traffic.

Just to clarify in case some aren't aware. Miami still is a larger cruise ship port than Fort Lauderdale, though it's getting close between the two.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4289 times:
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Quoting N62NA (Reply 26):
Just to clarify in case some aren't aware. Miami still is a larger cruise ship port than Fort Lauderdale, though it's getting close between the two.

MIA vs. FLL also has another issue, infrastructure. FLL is NOT equipped to deal with a 777 or 747, its barely fine for an A320 at its FIS facility. Big plane operations to South Florida are best into MIA.


User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4267 times:

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 6):
Seems odd that RTM & LBA are not being reduced as suggestion was that these were the slot sitting routes prior to longhaul expansion.

It would be more odd to reduce the frequency of the flights to RTM, as these flights attract aproxx 1000 passengers more each month since the route was started in December.
I was just reading a report on a Dutch spotter site of a traveler who has flown the route the day before yesterday and he was outbound RTM-LHR on a nearly full plane. And there seem to be a lot of non-EU travelers on this route as well, which make it a good feeder for the BA/Oneworld network.


User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 6):
Seems odd that RTM & LBA are not being reduced as suggestion was that these were the slot sitting routes prior to longhaul expansion.

LBA was launched with 4xDaily flights, looking at the new timetable, it's only 2/3 daily flights.

Will we see further T3 to T5 adjustments such as LIS & GIB?


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

A weekly LHR-LPA service has been addes. Flight to operate on Saturdays.


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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Why LPA from LHR when TFS/ACE are operating from LGW?


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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

There is a large existing BA operated holiday charter program out of T5 on summer weekends, no REALLY there is. Seems BA want a piece of that pie for themselves.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 31):
Why LPA from LHR when TFS/ACE are operating from LGW?

Why AGA from LHR and RAK from LGW?



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7573 posts, RR: 17
Reply 34, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 32):
There is a large existing BA operated holiday charter program out of T5 on summer weekends, no REALLY there is.

Last summer BA operated a total of six charter rotations from LHR T5 on Saturdays on behalf of Sardatur Holidays (2 rotations) and Mark Warner Holidays (4 rotations).

The Sardatur flights were to CAG and OLB.

The Mark Warner flights were to BIA (Bastia, Corsica), BJV (Bodrum, Turkey), CAG and RHO.

This summer BA will again operate all of the above plus two additional rotations for Mark Warner. A new Saturday rotation will operate to KGS and there will be a Sunday rotation to LXS (Lemnos, Greece) .


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7573 posts, RR: 17
Reply 35, posted (1 year 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Since this thread is about winter schedules it seems appropriate to add that BA operated a single ski charter rotation for Mark Warner Holidays on 18 Saturdays out of LHR T5 to GNB (BA9224C/25C) last winter. The first of these rotations was on 16 Dec 12. The final one was on !4 Apr 13.

They also operated two 734 ski charters for Mark Warner out of LGW North. Again one was to GNB (BA9218C/19C) operated 19 times starting on Saturday 9 December and ending on 14 April. The second was to FDH (BA9216C/17C) operated on 18 Saturdays between 16 December and 14 April.

It looks a pretty good bet that ski charters will feature in BA's Winter 2013-14 programme.


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