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Turkish Aviation May 2013  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13660 times:

Hello Friends,
Welcome to the May edition of "Turkish Aviation" thread;


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-I guess we are all done with "orders" for most of the Turkish airline companies for sometime.
Now, it is time to build a new airport in Istanbul and the tender is due in a few days. Too bad the number of bids are going to be around 3-5. Good Luck to them, hope they can start on time and finish the first phase by late 2017.

-There is talk of a strike at TK, probably won't happen.

Please continue from where we left off, especially the role of ESB for the near future.

TK787

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User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13584 times:

Thnaks to TK105 for the extensive information on ESB and is network potential, expectations etc.

However, I disgaree that any other alliance other than Star has no chance in ESB. In fact One World (through Air Berlin /Pegasus) has some chance to grow so BA can step in,

Also Skyteam should cover the airport with KL and AF and AZ all of which will make good business.

The reports prepared by TAV do not refer to ESB North America traffic. There is considerable transit traffic between North America and ESB too. We covered this topic in former debates, I mentioned the ESB JFK route introduction (in fact to be reinstated would be a right term to use as PAN AM flew the route between 1955 and 1990) and of course lots of discussion took place. I still think that it would work very well intially on thrice weekly basis.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13424 times:

What I think is ESB needs a hometown carrier that can emulate TK on a smaller scale, if TK itself is unwilling to do so, by creating a regional hub between Europe, N. Africa, Central Asia and MidEast. AnadoluJet is TK, so that leaves PC as the only candidate. Now, if PC can base at least 15-20 or so of its orders at ESB, it can carry traffic between these regions and possibly Turkish hinterland as well. It would also serve O&D at Ankara too.

Maybe TK will eventually expand into ESB, it is just waiting to reach critical mass at IST (the way LH branched into MUC after FRA was saturated).


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2107 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13294 times:

Diyarbakir's reception ceremony at KUL on 25 April 2013.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHXcK8Pf4G0

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jzVcu0Pmx8A/UXnzOTkh6wI/AAAAAAAAJ7A/0NL51zvVeJ4/s1600/Turkish+Airlines+Inaugural+Flight+to+Kuala+Lumpur.jpg

[Edited 2013-05-01 08:01:27]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13277 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 1):
In fact One World (through Air Berlin /Pegasus) has some chance to grow so BA can step in,

Except Sabanci specifically said PC would not join an alliance as it would complicate the business.

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 1):
(in fact to be reinstated would be a right term to use as PAN AM flew the route between 1955 and 1990)

In reality PA flew many places around the world regardless of economics. Ankara service which was intermittent over the decades and was no different. The last attempt with 727 service via IST a few times per week was lucky to have 30-40 people onboard with most actually bound for Germany not the US.



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13147 times:

I remember we tried to do this before (some months or even years ago). Is there a chance that we can compile a COMPLETE list of all different subtypes of TK. What I mean is for example in various booking systems the aircraft type shows 77C which obviously is a 777-300ER; however, there are others which aren't that clear to me. I'm pretty sure this is connected with the differentiation of leased and owned aircraft. It would be perfect to add the particular registrations to that list as well. Here is what I've found so far:

315 / A319-100 / ...
316 / A319-100 / ...
1AJ / (used by Anadolujet I guess)
2AJ - same
31D
32C / A32... / ...
32L / A32... / ...
32N / A32... / ...
32R / A32... / ...
33Q / A330-... / ...
3MF / A330-... / ...
73W / B737-... / ...
73Y / B73.-... / ...
77C / B777-300ER / ...
78D
78V
79B
7AJ
8AJ


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13129 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 3):

Are you sure this is the correct video link?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13132 times:

There are multiple internal aircraft codes. Some are operational others are commercial for use in things like GDS.

Anyhow here is latest company fleet list dated April 30.

The list specific list has two aircraft codes one commercial and second an operational one

Registration / Type / DVS Code / OPS Code / Seats

TC-JDJ A340-311 340 343 270
TC-JDK A340-312 342 342 270
TC-JDL A340-311 340 343 270
TC-JDM A340-311 340 343 270
TC-JDN A340-313 343 343H 270
TC-JIH A340-313 343 343H 270
TC-JII A340-313 343 343H 270
TC-JNA A330-203 332 332 250
TC-JNB A330-203 332 332 250
TC-JNC A330-203 332 332 250
TC-JND A330-203 332 332 250
TC-JNE A330-203 332 332 250
TC-JNF A330-203 33Q 33Q 281
TC-JNG A330-203 33Q 33Q 281
TC-JNH A330-343 333 333 289
TC-JNI A330-343 333 333 289
TC-JNJ A330-343 333 333 289
TC-JNK A330-343 333 333 289
TC-JNL A330-343 333 333 289
TC-JNM A330-343 333 333 289
TC-JNN A330-343 333 333 289
TC-JNO A330-343 333 333 289
TC-JNP A330-343 333 333 289
TC-JNR A330-343 333 333 289
TC-JDO A330-243F 33X 33X Freighter
TC-JDP A330-243F 33X 33X Freighter
TC-JDR A330-243F 33X 33X Freighter
TC-JCT A310-304F 31Y 31YJCT Freighter
TC-JCY A310-304F 31Y 31YJCVYZ Freighter
TC-JCZ A310-304F 31Y 31YJCVYZ Freighter
TC-JLM A319-132 319 319 132
TC-JLN A319-132 319 319 132
TC-JLO A319-132 315 319 132
TC-JLP A319-132 315 319 132
TC-JLR A319-132 31D 319 138
TC-JLS A319-132 316 319 132
TC-JLT A319-132 316 319 132
TC-JLU A319-132 316 319 132
TC-JLV A319-132 316 319 132
TC-JLY A319-132 316 319 132
TC-JLZ A319-132 316 319 132
TC-JUA A319-132 31E 319 132
TC-JUB A319-132 31E 319 132
TC-JUD A319-132 31E 319 132
TC-JLJ A320-232 32L 32L77 162
TC-JLK A320-232 32L 32L77 162
TC-JLL A320-232 32E 32E77 167
TC-JPA A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPB A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPC A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPD A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPE A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPF A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPG A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPH A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPI A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPJ A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPK A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPL A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPM A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPN A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPO A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPP A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPR A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPS A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPT A320-232 320 320 159
TC-JPU A320-214 32C 32C77 150
TC-JPV A320-214 32C 32C77 150
TC-JPY A320-214 32C 32C77 150
TC-JAI A320-232 32G 32G150 150
TC-JBI A320-232 32G 32G150 150
TC-JUG A320-232 B32 B32 180
TC-JRA A321-231 321 321 194
TC-JRB A321-231 321 321 194
TC-JRC A321-231 321 321 194
TC-JRD A321-231 321 321 194
TC-JRE A321-231 321 321 194
TC-JRF A321-231 321 321 194
TC-JRG A321-231 321 321 194
TC-JRH A321-231 321 321 194
TC-JRI A321-231 321 321 194
TC-JRJ A321-231 321 321 194
TC-JRK A321-231 321 321 194
TC-JRL A321-231 321 321 194
TC-JRM A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JRN A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JRO A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JRP A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JRR A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JRS A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JRT A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JRU A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JRV A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JRY A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JRZ A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JSA A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JSB A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JSC A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JSD A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JSE A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JSF A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JSG A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JSH A321-231 32R 32R 180
TC-JMH A321-232 32N 32N 178
TC-JMI A321-232 32N 32N 178
TC-JMJ A321-232 32N 32N 178
TC-JMK A321-232 32N 32N 178
TC-JML A321-231 32J 32J 194
TC-JDG B737-400 734 73422K 150
TC-JDH B737-400 734 73422K 150
TC-JDT B737-400 734 73422K 150
TC-JFC B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFE B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFH B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFI B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFJ B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFK B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFN B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFO B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFP B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFR B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFT B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFU B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFV B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JFZ B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JGA B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JGB B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JGC B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JGD B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JGF B737-800W 738 738W 165
TC-JGG B737-800W 737 737WHIGH 155
TC-JGH B737-800W 737 737WHIGH 155
TC-JGI B737-800W 737 737WHIGH 155
TC-JGJ B737-800W 738 738WHIGH 165
TC-JGK B737-800W 738 738WHIGH 165
TC-JGL B737-800W 73U 738WHIGH 165
TC-JGM B737-800W 738 738WHIGH 165
TC-JGN B737-800W 738 738WHIGH 165
TC-JGO B737-800W 73U 738WHIGH 165
TC-JGP B737-800W 738 738WHIGH 165
TC-JGR B737-800W 737 737WHIGH 155
TC-JGS B737-800W 737 737WHIGH 155
TC-JGT B737-800W 737 737WHIGH 155
TC-JGU B737-800W 737 737WHIGH 165
TC-JGV B737-800W 737 737WHIGH 155
TC-JGY B737-800WSFP 738 738WSFP 165
TC-JGZ B737-800WSFP 738 738WSFP 165
TC-JHA B737-800WSFP 738 738WSFP 165
TC-JHB B737-800WSFP 738 738WSFP 165
TC-JHC B737-800WSFP 738 738WSFP 165
TC-JHD B737-800WSFP 738 738WSFP 165
TC-JHE B737-800WSFP 738 738WSFP 165
TC-JHF B737-800WSFP 738 738WSFP 165
TC-JHG B737-800W 73A 738W24K189 189
TC-JHH B737-800W 73A 738W24K189 189
TC-JHJ B737-800 73E 73827K189 189
TC-JHK B737-800WSFP 78D 738WSFP151 151
TC-JHL B737-800WSFP 78D 738WSFP151 151
TC-JHM B737-800WSFP 78D 738WSFP151 151
TC-JHN B737-800WSFP 78D 738WSFP151 151
TC-JHO B737-800WSFP 78D 738WSFP151 151
TC-JHP B737-800WSFP 78D 738WSFP151 151
TC-JHR B737-800WSFP 78D 738WSFP151 151
TC-JHS B737-800WSFP 78D 738WSFP151 151
TC-JHT B737-800WSFP 78D 738WSFP151 151
TC-JYA B737-900ER 79B 739 151
TC-JYB B737-900ER 79B 739 151
TC-JYC B737-900ER 79B 739 151
TC-JYD B737-900ER 79B 739 151
TC-JYE B737-900ER 79B 739 151
TC-JYF B737-900ER 79B 739 151
TC-JYG B737-900ER 79B 739 151
TC-JYH B737-900ER 79B 739 151
TC-JYI B737-900ER 79B 739 151
TC-JYJ B737-900ER 79B 739 151
TC-JKJ B737-700W 73W 73W24K124 124
TC-JKK B737-700W 73W 73W24K124 124
TC-JKN B737-700W 73W 73W24K124 124
TC-JKO B737-700W 73W 73W24K124 124
TC-JKP B737-700W 73Y 73Y62 149
TC-JKR B737-700W 73Y 73Y62 149
TC-JJE B777-300ER 77C 77C 337
TC-JJF B777-300ER 77C 77C 337
TC-JJG B777-300ER 77C 77C 337
TC-JJH B777-300ER 77C 77C 337
TC-JJI B777-300ER 77C 77C 337
TC-JJJ B777-300ER 77C 77C 337
TC-JJK B777-300ER 77C 77C 337
TC-JJL B777-300ER 77C 77C 337
TC-JJM B777-300ER 77C 77C 337
TC-JJN B777-300ER 77C 77C 337
TC-JJO B777-300ER 77C 77C 337
TC-JJP B777-300ER 77C 77C 337

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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 13026 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):

awesome! thank you...


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12989 times:

Is it true that all 78Ds are equipped with PTVs and 2x2 C class seating?


Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 12959 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 9):
Is it true that all 78Ds are equipped with PTVs and 2x2 C class seating?

Yes, it features AVOD in all seats and 2x2 C/CL configuration



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2107 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 12945 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
Are you sure this is the correct video link?

Gosh, so sorry. Here is the correct link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwY8nDHObaI


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12882 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 1):
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 2):

I think long distance flights for ESB is still early. For such flights you need enough domestic and medium distance international flights for connecting transfer passengers. Otherwise you always have to rely on O&D traffic resulting lower yields even if you can find enough loads. ESB has very good domestic connections but medium distance international flights are missing.

I do not believe that Pegasus would ever be a dominant player in ESB (as in IST). To my view, passengers of Pegasus are the same group of people who used to be traveling with Varan 15 years back: Students, Private Business Owners (Doctors, Lawyers, Architects, etc), Young Professionals having private trips, Educated people visiting their summer houses; belonging to Medium-Medium/Upper Class with Secular Lifestyle.

Demand in ESB for international destinations is premium traffic which is corporate travelers. All such companies already have agreements with TK for certain benefits for corporates and additional benefits for decision makers in the companies. Even a simplest construction worker does not want LCC ticket as it is paid by the company. Similarly engineers or managers complains a lot if LCC ever have to be used. For example 2-3 years back in our company we had to use Anadolujet for ESB-AMS as it was the only alternative and it was a big headache for management after a few flights. Similarly a few months back one of our clients had to make TLV-ESB but TK tickets were very high. His company management opted to buy a Pegasus ticket for TLV-SAW-ESB-SAW-TLV. During the 3 days this person stayed, he complaint about the flight. For 1 hour flights (i.e. domestic) LCC is Ok, but longer flights it is not good for corporate travelers.

On an other note, now 3rd parallel runway for ESB, Government is taking new steps. It looks like it will be tendered with in 2013 or early next year. It will have 60m width and be able to accommodate A380.

http://wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=112353 (Turkish Only)

Also next year extension of subway to ESB will be tendered. The idea is to transfer passengers going to nearby cities by fast trains from ESB. This will improve ESB's position as a transfer airport.

http://wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=111306 (Turkish Only)

Together with the new exhibition grounds and hotels planned, as well as a probable extension of terminal, we may see a whole new ESB in a few years.

Then comes the next topic : Is Esenboga a good name for this airport. I leave this for another time.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12592 times:

Its time to find out about the new airport tender.

So far TAV put out a press release that they formally submitted their bid to the government on Tuesday.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12515 times:

Quoting TK105 (Reply 12):

Today all members should be excited about the new IST airport tender so I am not going to make a long discussion topic.

I think ESB case is not very difficult to restore. Immediate future development should be to reinstate some routes suspended or start new international routes and this will make it work;

Underserved routes; AMS (KL to step in), MUC (TK to step in), VIE (OS to step in), GYD (TK to step in), Arbil (TK to step in),

Routes to be introduced: LHR by BA and TK, Kiev by TK, Tripoli by TK, DXB by EK, CDG by AF, FCO by AZ or TK, ORY by TK, CPH by TK, ZRH by TK or LX, AMM by TK or RJ, Riyadh by TK, Tebriz (by TK), Batumi (by TK), Cairo (by TK or MS) + various CIS destinations to be served mainly by TK like Bishkek, Almaty, Ashgabat etc. The CIS flights can be triangle flights.

This will give sufficient boost also to Turkish domestic connections and will put ESB on the map for an initial step.

How likely is this, we will see.


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12462 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):

You can follow online the tendering minutes:

http://www.airporthaber.com/canli (Turkish)


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12332 times:

AMAN ALLAHIM.... (Oh my god)

Price is already above 21.000.000.000 Euro + Complete Construction...

What an open bid. This is once in a life time only...


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12316 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
So far TAV put out a press release that they formally submitted their bid to the government on Tuesday.

TAV is out of the game... currently LIMAK and IC/FRAPORT are at 22.130.000.000 EUR...


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12301 times:

Honestly, this is insane. These companies are claiming that they can cover the 8-9 bn euros of construction costs AND pay 22 billon euros as rent for the airport? I doubt any airport can bring in over 30 billion euros over 25 years, (let's not forget operating costs and any profit the consortium is hoping to make). I know the rent is spread out over the lifetime of the project, but that coupled with financing costs for the construction can cripple any company.

User currently offlineumit From Turkey, joined May 2009, 127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12274 times:

I watcted the tender and found it very interesting that lower bid at first round was 4 billion and highest was 9 billion then it had gone up to +22 billion ? what a calculations bidders made ?

User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12268 times:

And Limak-Cengiz-Mapa-Kalyon OGG wins the bid with a 22 billion 152 million Euros before taxes...

Let's hope that we see the new airport relatively on schedule..



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User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12199 times:

I wanted TAV for operational reasons I really think they know what they are doing. The price is outrageous and the winning group was going to bid higher no matter what. Limak is owned by someone extremely close to PM and has ten fold his net worth in last 10 years.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12093 times:

I started a separate thread about the new airport tender since last time it received broad interest from A.net members that dont come and visit this thread directly.

New Istanbul Airport Tender Awarded (by LAXintl May 3 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11859 times:

From airporthaber;
RTE says Tokyo flights to go 3 x daily.
I think he signed the nuclear reactor tender with the Japanese partner yesterday.
We know that TK doesn't have the metal yet, but is there demand for 3 x daily? Even in a decade?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11665 times:

More news from TK:
http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...hyden-yeni-havalimani-hamlesi.html

TK's Hamdi TOPCU;
-3 x daily flights to JFK is not enough, might have to make a decision by the end of the year for 380/748, the same number of pax could be carried with 2 flights instead of 3.
-TK will fly to Caracas, Havana and Mexico City in 2013.
-TK marketing budget is up to $130M annually.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11647 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 23):
RTE says Tokyo flights to go 3 x daily.
I think he signed the nuclear reactor tender with the Japanese partner yesterday.
We know that TK doesn't have the metal yet, but is there demand for 3 x daily? Even in a decade?

Maybe what they meant to say was Japan was going to go 3x daily.

At the moment TK is limited to 14x weekly frequencies to Japan. With the nuclear deal maybe Japan will allow TK to add another 7 frequencies. I know TK for long has tried to reschedule its NRT flight to match its other Far-East services, but due to NRT slot issues has been stuck with a schedule that is not optimized for IST hub connections.

So if TK can manage another set of NRT slots that would be great. Also I would not mind another Japan service point like Nagoya for example, though I think the priority should be NRT.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 24):
TK's Hamdi TOPCU;
-3 x daily flights to JFK is not enough, might have to make a decision by the end of the year for 380/748, the same number of pax could be carried with 2 flights instead of 3.

Well as I have been saying for the last 5-years JFK was one of the only few markets where VLA could be supported based on analysis TK performed.

So suppose its really going to come down to making a decision of either going for more frequencies with all the A330/777s on the way, or indeed opt for a VLA.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 24):
-TK marketing budget is up to $130M annually.

Up from $100mil previously. I guess we can expect to see lots more TK billboards, TV adds etc..



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 11334 times:

I hear Saga Airlines shut down or was grounded by the DGCA due financial issues.


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User currently offlineJMO-777 From Germany, joined Apr 2002, 501 posts, RR: 17
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11275 times:

Hi,

are there already hints of which airplane will get painted in Borussia Dortmund colors?

Thanks,
Jan



~~~ Fly with a Triple Seven and you feel like in heaven ~~~
User currently onlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11204 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 24):
TK's Hamdi TOPCU;
-3 x daily flights to JFK is not enough, might have to make a decision by the end of the year for 380/748, the same number of pax could be carried with 2 flights instead of 3.

Does this justify getting a new - that too a VLA? How many other routes would need it?

The other way to deal with this might be increasing 77W frequencies as new frames come in ... eventually, something like a CX style 4 daily HKG-JFK flights? The added frequencies and consistent product offering (rather than using 333) will have its advantages too.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11185 times:

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 27):
which airplane will get painted in Borussia Dortmund colors?

I bet only a 77W will do. Since Barca and ManU planes need a new paint job after those sponsorships end.

Quoting ASA (Reply 28):
Does this justify getting a new - that too a VLA? How many other routes would need it?

JFK. Also he mentions China routes and HKG. Maybe LAX?

-Also to take into consideration; if Comfort Class goes away, this would result in more seats and if TK decides to go 10 abreast then even a bigger capacity increase.
-In the next 5 years, till the new airport opens, TK has to keep up with the arrival of new planes and still increasing capacity by up-gauging and move more routes to SAW.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

TK is going ahead with plans to open more routes. 4 more this month;
Isparta (Domestic), Santiago De Compostela, Malta and Salzburg.

What happened to Abha and Asmara, they were also planned for May?


User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10939 times:

IST-KTM-IST is open for sales in GDS to be operated by a 330-200 as of 01SEP


BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10870 times:

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 31):
IST-KTM-IST is open for sales in GDS to be operated by a 330-200 as of 01SEP

Cool,
Cross another destination from the wish list.
I think it is slightly out of the range for TK 739ERs.

[Edited 2013-05-08 10:52:50]

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10839 times:

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 31):

Thanks! Happen to have access to the schedule?


User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10780 times:

ISTKTM: .2.45.7 2145IST 0715*1 TK 726 3HF
KTMIST: 1.3.56. 0845 1340IST TK 727 3HF

For 739ER below you can see the comparison between 739ER range vs ISTKTM segment distance. It looks like it would make it, but I guess that because of flt plan longer routes, alternates, contingency fuel, etc, it makes more sense to send a 332 ...

mapktm



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User currently onlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10699 times:

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 34):
or 739ER below you can see the comparison between 739ER range vs ISTKTM segment distance. It looks like it would make it, but I guess that because of flt plan longer routes, alternates, contingency fuel, etc, it makes more sense to send a 332 ...


Thanks for the map!

Also, Trivuban airport (KTM) is at an elevation of 4400 ft ... eating into the payload / range of 739ER


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 43
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10611 times:

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 34):
ISTKTM: .2.45.7 2145IST 0715*1 TK 726 3HF
KTMIST: 1.3.56. 0845 1340IST TK 727 3HF

These timings will 100% have to be changed due to visibility issues and fog at KTM between OCT and MAR. Even in SEP, the earliest u can arrive is at 0815am.

On the other hand though good move by TK as it will get a lot of traffic from Europe and JFK bound to KTM.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10593 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 36):
On the other hand though good move by TK as it will get a lot of traffic from Europe and JFK bound to KTM

Indeed a great move. TK will become the fastest option in many European markets. QR will not be thrilled at this move. I can see this flight go daily very soon.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10539 times:

I think this is from ch-aviation.ch but found it quoted elsewhere with no reference:

"myCargo Airlines (9T, Istanbul Atatürk/Yesilköy International (IST)) has retired its last four remaining A300 freighters (three A300B4-203(F)s and one A300B4-103(F)) in mid-March. Once a prolific Airbus operator, myCargo and its predecessor, ACT Airlines (9T, Istanbul Atatürk/Yesilköy International (IST)), had a fleet of seven A300B4 freighters and for a short time only, a single A300-600(F). For the meantime, the Turkish carrier will continue operations with its two B747-400(F)s, one of which will be wet-leased to the Cargo division of Saudia (SV, Jeddah King Abdul Aziz (JED)) from later this month (replacing the ULS Airlines Cargo (GO, Istanbul Atatürk/Yesilköy International (IST)) A310-300(F) TC-SGM (c/n 592) that has recently been returned by Saudia Cargo). "

So no more ACT brand.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 39, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10404 times:

Yes the A300's were grounded.

But the companies name is still ACT Airlines.



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User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10418 times:

Very interesting:

LH 1781 MUC-ADB flight diverted to Cigli Air Force Airbase due to fuel critical.

Plane is now waiting at airbase.

http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...hansa-ucagi-cigliye-dar-dustu.html (Turkish)


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 41, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10101 times:

I see TK is introducing the Do&Co flying chef concept on the 14x weekly Dubai services.

TK now has 222 Do&Co flying chefs serving 16 markets.



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10026 times:

I guess TK has abandoned its plan of opening further Indian destinations?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 43, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10010 times:

Its not a question of abandoning anything, TK as an airline cant do anything until a more liberal air-service agreement is reached between the governments.
So if this happens in 2013 or 2023, TK will seek to take advantage of it.



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 43):

Its not a question of abandoning anything, TK as an airline cant do anything until a more liberal air-service agreement is reached between the governments.
So if this happens in 2013 or 2023, TK will seek to take advantage of it.

What is the main problem right now in liberalising the air services agreement?


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9868 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 44):

The Government of India.


User currently offlineboun From Turkey, joined Nov 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9825 times:

Has anyone seen this? http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...a-kurulundan-sok-kotil-karari.html (Turkish)
It seems TK management is in the midst of a crisis. Don't you also think lately news surrounding TK government make it look like an airline in total crisis, debt and etc. and trying to a find a way out e.g. Alitalia? Bad publicity.


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9773 times:

Quoting boun (Reply 46):
Has anyone seen this? http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...a-kurulundan-sok-kotil-karari.html (Turkish)

Well, the link doesnt work, but I saw this;

http://ekonomi.milliyet.com.tr/thy-d.../ekonomi/detay/1707259/default.htm

says;

"Türk Hava Yolları (THY), 15 Mayıs tarihinde sendikanın başlatacağı ‘grev’ ile boğuştuğu bir dönemde sürpriz yönetim kriziyle karşı karşıya. Edinilen bilgilere göre THY Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı Hamdi Topçu, cuma günü THY Genel Müdürü Temel Kotil‘i ücretli izne çıkardı. Bu kararı Londra’da öğrenen Temel Kotil’in THY’nin sponsoru olduğu basketbol turnuvası için gittiği finallerden acilen geri döndüğü belirtiliyor."

We all heard the news about Kotil and Topcu not getting along time to time, but this is big. From my experience this is a primary school type of management which doesnt go together with an airline which is trying to become 5*.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 48, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 9749 times:

Pegasus will launch a new service from Istanbul (SAW) to Athens from 29th June and the service will be daily.
Flights are open for booking now. The fares are quite good around EUR80 return all in on some dates.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 49, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 9725 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 47):
We all heard the news about Kotil and Topcu not getting along time to time, but this is big.

It is early to make a judgement, but if this stuff is true it all makes sense that they give conflicting news recently. About the fleet, Australia flights, lipstick colors and such.
The management might be all from Rize but still, in Turkey Bizans Rules apply.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 9739 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 2):
Maybe TK will eventually expand into ESB, it is just waiting to reach critical mass at IST (the way LH branched into MUC after FRA was saturated).

With the new airport to be built at IST, I can't see the need.

I would love to see ESB get more service though.


User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9690 times:

Can anyone make quick translation of the latest issue with Kotil and Topçu for non-turkish speakers please?

Thanks,



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 52, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9790 times:

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 51):
quick translation

Sounds like last week Hamdi Topcu (Chairman of the TK Board) decided to give Temel Kotil (TK CEO) a paid leave. Kotil returns to Turkey from London right after hearing this. TK board might meet early this week and extend this paid leave and give the job to CFO Coskun Kilic as interim.
We got some different messages from Topcu and Kotil recently, especially on topics of the looming strike and FA lipstick colors. It sounded like they have opposing ideas.


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9704 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 52):

Well, Temel Kotil represents the global values in TK (as far as I follow on the media, any contribution from inside of TK will be greatly appreciated). On monday, during the board meeting he may be sacked. If this happens, we may see a stronger strike on 15th of May as announced by the union. A strong turbulence may be ahead of TK.


User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

I think this is new from this afternoon, Topçu about the strike?

http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...di-topcudan-calisanlara-cagri.html



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 55, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9675 times:

Don't forget the political prism regarding management decisions.

The Erdogan and Gul push and pull politics are well represented at TK through its management team selection.

In other words, Kotil belongs to one and Topcu to the others.

Same was with the former Chairman Candan Karlıtekin that was let go back in 2009.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 56, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9407 times:

Maybe things resolved for the time being between Topcu and Kotil;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-after-ceo-kotil-s-suspension.html


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 57, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9290 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 48):
Pegasus will launch a new service from Istanbul (SAW) to Athens

Wiki says Thessaloniki too.


User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9118 times:

TK recently announced all Spanish destinations to be daily by next winter season (end of OCT13):

BCN - 21 weekly
MAD - 20 weekly
AGP - 7 weekly
VLC - 7 weekly
BIO - 7 weekly
SCQ - 7 weekly (through BIO)



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 59, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9051 times:

Trying to see if TK warning the pax for tomorrow's possible strike in English, I couldn't find anything.
But this;
http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-tr...okcen-connecting-flight-passengers
What is this SAW connecting pax notice about? Are you kidding me? Telling people that they can connect via SAW and it is a mere 3 hour bus ride and they don't even have a direct bus, you have to connect at Taksim. What???
Is this how NOT to promote a connection via SAW??


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 60, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

El Al is seeking to resume service to Turkey.

The topic will be discussed in meetings with security and defense officials.

El Al pulled out from Turkey in 2007 due to high security cost and restrictions placed on its Turkish operations.

story:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4378197,00.html

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User currently offlineboun From Turkey, joined Nov 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8775 times:

What do you guys think about the strike? The news and the explanations of the union contradict. How long can the airline sustain its flights efficiently? (allegedly)

The facebook page of the union has many crew members declaring their involvement. Pretty interesting read, you might want to take a look. Do you have any speculations?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 62, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8709 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 60):
El Al pulled out from Turkey in 2007

Really? Has it been that long?? Wow, that is incredible.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 63, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Quoting boun (Reply 61):
What do you guys think about the strike?

A lot of he said, she said..
But looks like only a small number of members did strike and not affecting the flight schedule of TK.
Hamdi Topcu looks like he will come out of this stronger and you hear nothing from Temel Kotil. Let's see if the rumors are true and Temel Kotil will let go soon.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 64, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

While TAV might have lost on the new Istanbul Airport, they won bid to design and build a $400mil terminal and support facilities in Riyadh.

This is TAV's 3rd project in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/tav...adh-airport-new-terminal-deal.html

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User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8260 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 64):

This new terminal is urgently needed for RUH. Congratulations to TAV.

Few years back I had to wait at RUH for 8 hours. It was such a terrible experience. There is no cafe, restaurant. There is no nothing! People are sitting on the floor and waiting. Some Near East Asian people are eating the food on the floor that they take from home. That day I realized that an Iphone can some times save your life.

I hope TAV can bring much better standards to this airport.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 66, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8078 times:

http://www.airkule.com/default.asp?page=haber&id=14493
AJet is adding 10 more domestic destinations from SAW.
With more TK and more Pegasus flights, this is great for the pax living on the Asian side. I don't know about the companies though.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 67, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7795 times:

-New bilaterals with Japan grants Turkey 42 freqs, 14 to Narita and 7 to Nagoya.
-Also TC-JHU, TK 737-800 gets the Borussia Dortmund livery;
http://kokpit.aero/thy-borussia-dortmund-sponsorluk-ucak-boyama


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 68, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7645 times:

Saga only operating an A320? why.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 69, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7662 times:

I'm on board TK 2 as I type this. Happy to report that it is a full flight on all classes. 2 hours delayed but so far so good. Meal service started. Actually, I am hungry and looking forward to Rigatoni.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 70, posted (1 year 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 7521 times:

THY partnering with the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Ministry of İnterior Affairs for an online "e-Visa" program.

Program will allow travelers from some 40 nationalities to now obtain their visa faster and easier by avoiding the trip to consulates and embassies, or waiting in line at the airport to have them issued.

Press release:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/turkis...ces-participation-e-142400821.html

Link to program
https://www.evisa.gov.tr/en/

Should help cut down on the number of people in the visa lines at IST   



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User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 71, posted (1 year 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 7335 times:

I am amazed they allowed that racist guy back again...

Hey guys hope all is well. I was on TK 11 yesterday in J row 1. Horrendous boarding, with no priority for biz or elites. Friendly yet lazy crew. I always tweet TK help desk with cabin temperature its insanely hot and its not only me thats usually complaining. I wish TK didn't opt out for gasper fans  wi-fi on a 10 hour flight is a god sent. Overall I am happy I switched to TK, especially with DL non daily schedule. Much better a/c, seats, food, IFE etc.



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User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (1 year 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 7201 times:

Yesterday TK started its 1st flight to SCQ, with a first occupation of around 70% IST-SCQ and 95% SCQ-IST.

This flight starts as 3 weekly and goes daily in next season.



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 73, posted (1 year 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 7086 times:

In bilateral talks with Russia, the Turkish delegation proposed increasing the number of routes between the nation.

Additional service points of Samara, Makhachkala, Mineralniye Vody, Nizhniy Novgorod, Nalchik, Vladikavkaz, Chelyabinsk were proposed.

I wonder if they will also be able to gain double designation right. Pegasus has largely been locked out of the Russia market as they only allow single carrier designation (which TK has).



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 74, posted (1 year 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 73):
Pegasus has largely been locked out of the Russia market as they only allow single carrier designation (which TK has).

Is that country specific?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 75, posted (1 year 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 6997 times:

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 71):
help desk with cabin temperature its insanely hot and its not only me thats usually complaining.

SImilar situation with me. I seem like the only person in a tshirt, everyone is covered up in blankets and asking for more heat. I've overheard pax asking FA to turn it up more, What????? He said it was 22 Celcius, then they turned it up to 24 but now some others complained that it was too hot. I really don't know what to do??


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 6970 times:

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 71):
I always tweet TK help desk with cabin temperature its insanely hot and its not only me thats usually complaining. I wish TK didn't opt out for gasper fans

The on-board wifi is going to grow to be a problem for TK, people complaining from inside the plane  

Having lived in the US for many years, I think I know where the problem is. People living in the US are very used to living in colder indoor temperatures than those in Turkey (and probably other parts of the world too). Turkish people are more sensitive to cold temperatures. I find that, generally, the people compaining about on board temperature are people living in the US.

As a Turk in the US, back in college, I used to freeze my a*s off in the classes or restaurants. Last year I took a UA transcon in the US and both myself and my wife were so cold that we put on everything we could find, covered up in blankets, however the guy across from the aisle was comfortably flying in shorts and flip flops. Similarly, I find that cars in the US have much more strong ACs than those in orther parts of the world.

I have seen TK make bad decisions in the past, but I think eliminating gasper fans was THE worst decision they made.



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User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 75):
Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 76):

Its a subject I really spent time investigating. I found what you said in your post, People from US are much used to colder indoor temps, as opposed to Turkish or EU individuals to a degree. But I find TK cabin temp too hot for everyone. I saw 26 degrees on set gauge couldn't photo it...



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

For those in the US, TK starting on Monday will offer a special promotion of $575/rt on tickets to Istanbul from Washington.

They also have another special from IAH for $599 to Istanbul, and for only $100 more for a host of beyond connecting cities like Athens, Abu Dhabi, Amman, Beirut, Cairo, Dubai, Jeddah etc. And for $799 can go to Delhi, Kabul, or Karachi.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3212 posts, RR: 9
Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6539 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 78):
For those in the US, TK starting on Monday will offer a special promotion of $575/rt on tickets to Istanbul from Washington.

They also have another special from IAH for $599 to Istanbul, and for only $100 more for a host of beyond connecting cities like Athens, Abu Dhabi, Amman, Beirut, Cairo, Dubai, Jeddah etc. And for $799 can go to Delhi, Kabul, or Karachi.

Is there any link with the T&Cs of this sale? Any date restrictions or duration of stay restrictions?



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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6520 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 78):

For those in the US, TK starting on Monday will offer a special promotion of $575/rt on tickets to Istanbul from Washington.

They also have another special from IAH for $599 to Istanbul, and for only $100 more for a host of beyond connecting cities like Athens, Abu Dhabi, Amman, Beirut, Cairo, Dubai, Jeddah etc. And for $799 can go to Delhi, Kabul, or Karachi.

Great news for me... Thanks for sharing...



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

The IAH special offers are posted already.
http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-us...ll&class=economy&tab=specialprices

The IAD sale will be posted on Monday.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 82, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6307 times:

Hello everyone,
I have a tight connection and have an question.
Has anyone recently experienced JFK Terminal 1 Customs clearing times? For a Tuesday, around noon? I might be taking TK3 IST-JFK, lands at 11:15am and have a 4:30pm EWR domestic flight.
Last time I was at JFK late night, I waited 2:10 hrs.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 83, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6313 times:

I have flown TK3 twice. Customs was pretty quiet.

One time there was an AF flight about the same time, the second time it was the KE A380, but still very quick. So quick I was able to catch an earlier connection flight to LAX.
JFK is a different world compared to the mess later at night.

btw - you might want to apply for Global Entry. You go to the kiosk and clear yourself. From the plane to the curb in under 5-minutes.

Also for info CBP has a website with wait time information. Looking at JFK T-1 between January 1, 2013 and today, the average "processing time" between 11am and 12noon was 27 minutes.

http://apps.cbp.gov/awt/

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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 84, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

Thanks as usual.
Yes global entry I am trying to fit in. I just had to get a new 52 page passport when I realized that no more empty visa pages left. Now that I got it, next time I have sometime at home I will apply.
Thank you.


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6111 times:

Next milestone for Turkish Jet Fighter on 29th of Oct. is approaching, which will replace F-16s by mid 2020s. Details are here:

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/23369481.asp (Turkish)

As stated in the article, the most difficult part is the engine which is said to be more difficult than the plane itself.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6092 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 70):
Should help cut down on the number of people in the visa lines at IST   

That E Visa still has technical issues. Website often crashes and help desk is not that helpful. I got an email back from them last week which didn't even answer the question and didn't make sense.


User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 87, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 83):

Oh my god lax, you wrote my reply  
At that time of the day you should be fine. I say you have more than enough time to make your EWR flight. As for global entry its the best thing since sliced bread  I have it for 3 years now and I can't believe such a program exist, and not a lot of people have it. I did a few Europe trips fro Galatasaray games with a carry on and my time from Gate to cab line was 5 minutes or less.



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User currently offlinetozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 119 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5683 times:
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Iran's Qeshm Air bought ex-Onur's A300-600's:
User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 89, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5599 times:

Quoting tozbek (Reply 88):

Iran's Qeshm Air bought ex-Onur's A300-600's:

how? isn't there an embargo?


User currently offlineElPistolero From Canada, joined Feb 2012, 1007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 90, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5539 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 81):
The IAD sale will be posted on Monday.

Haven't been posted so far.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 91, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

Sure they have. $575 IAD fares are available online.

For example you can make dummy IAD-IST-IAD bookings - Nov 14 - Nov 20 = $575 including tax.

Also the TK USA twitter feed has an announcement regarding the sale.



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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 92, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5465 times:

The IAH offer is only good for travel until May 31. That doesn't make sense... Only for another week?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 91):

Sure they have. $575 IAD fares are available online.

For example you can make dummy IAD-IST-IAD bookings - Nov 14 - Nov 20 = $575 including tax.

Also the TK USA twitter feed has an announcement regarding the sale.

The availability of 575$ fare is much more limited than ex-IAH flights though...



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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 93, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

Has anyone tried the UA service to IST yet?


Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 335 posts, RR: 14
Reply 94, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 81):
Quoting Nimish (Reply 79):

The T&C for Mumbai ex IAH copy pasted from the TK website.

Quote:
Mumbai / Chatrapati Shivaji
All flight days
799 $
Mumbai : Term for Special Offer
Travel Period: 1 April 2013 - 31 May 2013
Purchasing Period: 1 December 2012 - 31 May 2013
Advance Purchace: Special price is available only up to 7 day(s) before departure.
Advance Ticketing: Tickets must be purchased up to 24 hour(s) after making your reservation.
Maximum Stay: 3 month(s)

If last day to commence travel is 31 May 2013, I am confused by the website accepting and offering a fare as below.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 91):

I tried making a booking for 30 May return 28 Aug.
For two people I got a fare of $10,585. In economy class!!!!!  Wow!   

Quite clearly the T&C are not matching the booking engine.



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User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 95, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5100 times:

TK risks bleeding heavily in KTM, especially if flown by A330. The perception of Turkey (unlike the Gulf states and their airlines) is virtually non-existant in that country and not many people are gonna be checking fares on internet. This might end in the same way as SEZ for QR.

User currently onlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 95):
TK risks bleeding heavily in KTM, especially if flown by A330. The perception of Turkey (unlike the Gulf states and their airlines) is virtually non-existant in that country and not many people are gonna be checking fares on internet. This might end in the same way as SEZ for QR.

But Nepal is a popular destination for Europeans and Americans, right? (like Maldives, I suppose)

Isn't TK planning to catch the European feed for this route like MLE? O&D is poor, understood.   


User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 97, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 96):
O&D is poor, understood.   

I'm sure TK numbers would improve dramatically if more than 10% of people in Turkey actually had a passport to travel abroad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_passport#Fees


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 98, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

It seems that the plan to operate the 3 leased 9W B77W aircraft on the IST GRU EZE and IST ICN route has been reversed. The Jet Airways aircraft will now deploy on IST BKK SGN and IST BOM daily. IST GRU EZE will downgauge to A343, whereas IST ICN will operate with A333.

User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 98):
It seems that the plan to operate the 3 leased 9W B77W aircraft on the IST GRU EZE and IST ICN route has been reversed. The Jet Airways aircraft will now deploy on IST BKK SGN and IST BOM daily. IST GRU EZE will downgauge to A343, whereas IST ICN will operate with A333.

I remember a few months ago TK CEO said publicly that they leased 7 77Ws and that those airplanes would start flying for TK startin april (iirc). Whatever happened to those plans? Are there actually 7 planes leased? Did TK really lease 9W 77Ws again?

Where are the remaining 4 from?



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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 99):
I remember a few months ago TK CEO said publicly that they leased 7 77Ws and that those airplanes would start flying for TK startin april (iirc). Whatever happened to those plans? Are there actually 7 planes leased? Did TK really lease 9W 77Ws again?

Maybe it was a miscommunication, maybe he meant 7 long haul planes? 2 330s are already leased, and 3 77Ws will join from 9W. So maybe he hopes to find 2 more?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 101, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4665 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 100):
So maybe he hopes to find 2 more?

And 2 x 333s arriving later this year. Maybe that is the math.


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

Iraqi Airways will start twice weekly Baghdad Ankara Baghdad flights from June.

TK also flies the route thrice weekly.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 103, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Here is another unique market for TK.

Mazar-i-Sharif in Afghanistan.

2x weekly starting June 16th.

Wed/Sun
IST-MZR 0010-0615 738
MZR-IST 0800-1155 738



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 104, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 103):

It is incredible, wow!

Still May31st here in Pepper spray smelly Istanbul, and I will start our new thread tomorrow as usual.


User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 104):

It has already been started on here: Turkish Aviation June 2013 (by Tupolev160 May 31 2013 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

This week we had an exhibition in Istanbul where we had to carry some 40 persons from ESB and other parts of Turkey. All ticket prices were crazy. Even for few tickets we had to pay more than 500TL for a one-way Y ticket not only for ESB-IST but also on ESB-SAW flights on Anadolujet for Thursday and Friday.This price is very very high, at TATL flight price level. DHMI and Ministry of Transportation must do something about this.... OK, TK is growing like crazy and making a lot of money on this particular route, but in the end its our money which is wasted.

On an other note, one of our ex employee visited me during this exhibition which was next to IST. He is now working for TK Teknik Maintenance. He is coming from a strong leftist family and I was expecting him to be part/supporter of strike. He said that he continues to work and added that "Labour Union is still 1960 style union and not able to follow the impressive success of the management of TK"!

Turkish Aviation June 2013 (by Tupolev160 May 31 2013 in Civil Aviation):

May be Tupolev160 also has a point that we should hear!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 107, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 3977 times:

Im wondering if anyone knows if the Airport bus from Taksim is disrupted by the civil unrest in Istanbul at the moment or is it adviseable to take a taxi instead? A friend of mine is going on Monday for a few days.

User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 108, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 109):

Im wondering if anyone knows if the Airport bus from Taksim is disrupted by the civil unrest in Istanbul at the moment or is it adviseable to take a taxi instead? A friend of mine is going on Monday for a few days.

He should seek alternative ways or even changing his hotel to a different part of the town. Taksim is like a war zone now and pretty much no one is allowed in and out...



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 109, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3914 times:
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This thread is now closed as a new one has been started

Turkish Aviation June 2013 (by Tupolev160 May 31 2013 in Civil Aviation)

In relation to the comments about ignoring the new 'fake' thread and continue discussing here till its sorted, comments like that aren't welcome here. ANYONE is allowed to start a new thread and that includes members from a different country. Its kind of like saying that only members from Turkey are only allowed to take part in the Turkish Threads.

No one owns the right to certain threads. I originally started the Australian and New Zealand Aviation Threads and the Australian's have taken over running the Australian thread mostly, with other (like me) starting new ones when required. Other New Zealander's and non New Zealanders have also started new New Zealand Threads.

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