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A320 Has Near Miss With UFO?  
User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1718 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 18511 times:

Just read this extraordinary article about a Glasgow bound A320 having a near miss with a UFO.
Anyone care to shed some light on this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-22365368


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User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 480 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 18465 times:

Odd that they say it was "bigger than a balloon". That's like saying it was longer than a piece of string. I'd say a balloon would be the most likely explanation.

User currently onlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3837 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 18430 times:

What's a "near miss"? Does that mean it hit the UFO, but almost missed it?

Soren   



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User currently offlineQuantos From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 18198 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):

What's a "near miss"? Does that mean it hit the UFO, but almost missed it?

They actually had a "near hit". Indeed, a collision is a "near miss" :P


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 18049 times:

Quoting raffik (Thread starter):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-22365368

"although the radar at Prestwick did spot an "unidentified track history" 1.3 nautical miles east of the A320's position 28 seconds earlier."

Which surely should have been relayed to the A320, no?


User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 480 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 17779 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
What's a "near miss"?

I don't understand why someone has to bring this up every single time. It was a miss and it came very near to the object it missed. Seems clear enough to most people.


User currently offlinecanadianpylon From Canada, joined May 2003, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 17713 times:

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 5):
I don't understand why someone has to bring this up every single time. It was a miss and it came very near to the object it missed. Seems clear enough to most people.


If you nearly miss something, you hit it. I have to call my insurance company when I nearly miss another vehicle while driving.



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User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 17551 times:

Erm, just to clarify, a 'near miss' DOES NOT mean you hit it! Near miss means you missed the object but were very close to hitting it. Maybe it is just an English saying?


Keep calm and up your game!
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11721 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 17471 times:

What is an A320 doing at 4,000ft some 20km East of GLA? Isn't that a little low that soon, there must still have been around 30km left to run before landing.


Dan  



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User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 17387 times:

Quoting 2008matt (Reply 7):
Erm, just to clarify, a 'near miss' DOES NOT mean you hit it! Near miss means you missed the object but were very close to hitting it. Maybe it is just an English saying?

It's not. This joke was made very popular by the (American) comedian George Carlin. Yes, it's a slightly odd way of saying it, but the meaning is clear. People just like to feel witty when they point out the oddity of it.


User currently offlineScottishDavie From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2011, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 4 hours ago) and read 17307 times:

Bonnybridge, the UFO capital of Scotland (and in the views of some the UFO capital of the world) is only a few miles up the road from Baillieston. Just thought you'd like to know...   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnybridge


User currently offlinecanadianpylon From Canada, joined May 2003, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 17189 times:

Quoting IADCA (Reply 9):
Quoting 2008matt (Reply 7):
Erm, just to clarify, a 'near miss' DOES NOT mean you hit it! Near miss means you missed the object but were very close to hitting it. Maybe it is just an English saying?

It's not. This joke was made very popular by the (American) comedian George Carlin. Yes, it's a slightly odd way of saying it, but the meaning is clear. People just like to feel witty when they point out the oddity of it.

It's one of those subtleties of the English language were two separate words put together take on the opposite meaning of the individual words.

To be fair, one of the definitions of the words 'near miss' is for ordinance (missiles/artillery) that land far enough from their target to be considered a miss, but near enough to still contribute damage to the target.

The English language... you have to love it.



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2976 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 16905 times:

Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 11):
The English language... you have to love it.

"Near miss" = "Close miss". Nothing particularly confusing about it.



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User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 16543 times:

Quoting IADCA (Reply 9):

It's not. This joke was made very popular by the (American) comedian George Carlin. Yes, it's a slightly odd way of saying it, but the meaning is clear. People just like to feel witty when they point out the oddity of it.

Here is Carlin setting the precedent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuCN6CD8j_s


User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 16273 times:

Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 6):
If you nearly miss something, you hit it. I have to call my insurance company when I nearly miss another vehicle while driving.

Ah, but alas, "nearly" and "near" are different words despite the same root. "Nearly" is used as an adverb used to clarify the verb "miss" when you "nearly miss" something, whereas "near" is an adjective that describes the noun "miss" when you have a "near miss."


User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months ago) and read 15283 times:

This is a strange story. Most of the UFO sightings you read about are from unreliable sources.

But two airline pilots, I can believe that they saw something.

Quoting RobK (Reply 4):
"although the radar at Prestwick did spot an "unidentified track history" 1.3 nautical miles east of the A320's position 28 seconds earlier."

A microlight perhaps?

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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months ago) and read 15166 times:

Near miss? Near hit? It doesn't matter. Was there little green men inside the UFO?

User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14755 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 12):
"Near miss" = "Close miss". Nothing particularly confusing about it.

And considering the term has been used in the aviation field for decades to denote two aircraft coming in close proximity with colliding, and this is, after all, an aviation web site, you would think people would understand the meaning...  


Quoting bohica (Reply 16):
Was there little green men inside the UFO?

That's the real question we want answered!   



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User currently onlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14463 times:

Quite large, blue & yellow? MOLs ego might have managed to take flight of its own accord...   

User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3674 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14428 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 17):
you would think people would understand the meaning...  

Oh, they understand, some people just want to be a smart aleck. But it's the people who constantly feel the need to bring this up that end up on the wrong end of things. "Near miss" does not mean "nearly missed" - it means a miss that was near. They're confusing an adjective with an adverb.

"Near hit" (the proposed alternative) would be redundant and incorrect. A "near hit" would be a hit that happened near to the object being hit - that's nonsensical. And "near hit" as opposed to what, anyway? A far hit? That's impossible.

If you add a dash to these terms ("near-miss"), then you could argue that it means something else, but *that* actually becomes a little confusing and would require explanation each time.



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User currently offlineShany From Germany, joined Jul 2008, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14286 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 8):
What is an A320 doing at 4,000ft some 20km East of GLA?

That's 10,8 NM out. You normally count 300 ft per NM on a 3° final approach slope, so 3000 ft AGL (above gorund level) at 10 NM. So they were even a bit high, if GLA is at sea level, but I didn't look up GLA field elevation, nevertheless.

Best regards.
Shany



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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4298 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14253 times:

Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 6):
If you nearly miss something, you hit it. I have to call my insurance company when I nearly miss another vehicle while driving.
Quoting Quantos (Reply 3):
They actually had a "near hit". Indeed, a collision is a "near miss" :P

Darn Canadians - you always have to be so technical and precise!  
Quoting 2008matt (Reply 7):
Erm, just to clarify, a 'near miss' DOES NOT mean you hit it! Near miss means you missed the object but were very close to hitting it. Maybe it is just an English saying?

Yes, it's an oxymoron. It is a quirk of the English language and it does not make any sense, or at least any more sense than "pretty ugly" or "feeling numb"...but the generally accepted usage of a "near miss" is to describe an event that almost results in a collision but does not actually result in a collision. Let's move beyond English-language nuances and talk about the near collision with the UFO, please.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineShany From Germany, joined Jul 2008, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14253 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 8):
What is an A320 doing at 4,000ft some 20km East of GLA?

That's 10,8 NM out. You normally count 300 ft per NM on a 3° final approach slope, so 3000 ft AGL (above gorund level) at 10 NM. So they were even a bit high, if GLA is at sea level, but I didn't look up GLA field elevation, nevertheless.

Best regards.
Shany



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11721 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12763 times:

Quoting Shany (Reply 22):
That's 10,8 NM out. You normally count 300 ft per NM on a 3° final approach slope, so 3000 ft AGL (above gorund level) at 10 NM. So they were even a bit high, if GLA is at sea level, but I didn't look up GLA field elevation, nevertheless.

This is the direct distance, if you are over that position you still have a minimum of 30km left to run, more realistically around 40km/20nm, before you arrive at GLA. Perhaps it isn't, but it seems a little low to me - I don't recall being much below around 6,000ft at that point when I've flown into GLA on that runway.


Dan  



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1661 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10522 times:

Wow you people surely know how to turn a thread upside down. Knock off the stupid technicalities and get back on topic.




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User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8027 times:

Quoting flanker (Reply 24):

Priceless! Not even a MC would get that..


Now,

Quoting RobK (Reply 4):
"although the radar at Prestwick did spot an "unidentified track history" 1.3 nautical miles east of the A320's position 28 seconds earlier."

I don't pass info on every ghost trail to pilots. I'd be more busy giving traffic information about a truck on a highway or a ship, or high-level traffic breaking through the target filter due to erratic mode C reporting than I would be separating or vectoring my traffic.

If it's obvious that its an aircraft that could possibly be in my sector and it has no transponder for altitude verification (often VFR's fly low level with no transponder turned on), I will give essential traffic info. But often due to the low level nature the targets are often intermittent etc If its a constant return then i know its not low level and caution should be taken. But traffic loading always plays a factor too...

EDIT:
And further to your quotation is this from the BBC article "The controller stated that he was not talking to anyone else in that area and that nothing was seen on radar.

Search action was taken with no result and the A320 pilot stated his intention to file a report to Airprox, which investigates near misses.

Air traffic control said they had no trace of any other objects in the area at the time of the incident, although the radar at Prestwick did spot an "unidentified track history" 1.3 nautical miles east of the A320's position 28 seconds earlier."

Bold/underline mine. The radar processor might not have actually presented the information to the ATC if the targets were too weak... RDP's and Track processors are complicated things. It might have been a subsequent look at raw radar data...



[Edited 2013-05-02 01:48:35]


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User currently offlineflyglobal From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 613 posts, RR: 3
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

I know what happened:

The A320 occasionally met the top secret Boeing 737 successor Prototype plane 'Next Gen Narrow Body'.
:D
Due to a temporary error in the stealth mode function, the A320 crew had a sneak preview of this top secret development.
It is obviously so secret that even Stich didn't get in the info loop yet.

Guess Airbus is quite nervous now.

:D

Regards
Flyglobal


User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

LOL, wow..... I never thought about it but a near miss doesnt make sense at all.

If you nearly missed something, it means you almost missed it... which means you probably hit it.

It should be near collision or even close call....

Anyway.... lol.... Good that the plane DID NOT hit whatever it was that was buzzing around.....


User currently offlineTristan7977 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

I'd like to see the pilots draw what they saw, that would give us a good explanation. Was there any some sort of footage? There are some airports that film the planes as they descend, mostly from the tower from what I can see.

The "as large as a balloon" bit really doesn't help give us an idea of what it is. We'll know more as time goes by....



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13551 posts, RR: 100
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4769 times:
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Quoting flyglobal (Reply 26):
The A320 occasionally met the top secret Boeing 737 successor Prototype plane 'Next Gen Narrow Body'.

   It was Marvin hot rodding in his little saucer again. He likes to buzz planes for some reason. We've tried to talk with him, but he just telepathically takes control of us to let us know he's in charge...


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User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1920 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4494 times:

What I am wondering is if the UFO is required to fill a near-miss report?
After all, the A320 was recklessly crossing their fly-path.
Not surprised from people who wash their engines with volcanic ashes or put ice cubes in their tanks  .


User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 15):
This is a strange story. Most of the UFO sightings you read about are from unreliable sources.

But two airline pilots, I can believe that they saw something.

The pilots were most likely using the more literal meaning of "UFO". When most people hear UFO they imagine flying saucers from outer space with little green men inside. But it really just means "unidentified flying object." They say an object, it was flying, and they couldn't identify what it was, therefore they saw an unidentified flying object. I don't know if UFO is a standard term pilots use when they see something like that, but maybe an actual pilot could shed some light on that.


User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

The UFO was probably a IFS (Identified Flying Shark).

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/we...ium-shark-could-ufo-pilots-1864901



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User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 32):

The UFO was probably a IFS (Identified Flying Shark).

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/we...ium-shark-could-ufo-pilots-1864901

This is the most likely explanation.
This must be one of the most unusual aviation events ever, a plane almost colliding with a shark!!


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13551 posts, RR: 100
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
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Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 32):
The UFO was probably a IFS (Identified Flying Shark).

Those were for sale a year ago at a local toy store. But there were quite bit more expensive than 15 quid... Little Billy has a bit of explaining to do.  


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