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User currently offlinetioloko100 From Australia, joined Jul 2012, 136 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7335 times:
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9/11 changed many things from extra securities at airport to having Air marshals on board flights. Not long from now if the bill passes commercial aircraft in the US will be required to have a second for security purpose.
I guess this will make the cockpit safer but more cost for the industry.


http://flyingactive.com/content/133-...s-require-second-cockpit-door.html

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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

I thought this was supposed to be implemented right after 9/11?


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User currently offlinetioloko100 From Australia, joined Jul 2012, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7249 times:
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yeah but it takes time for such decisions to be implemented given the amount of work involved and other things that need to be put into consideration.

User currently offlineJHwk From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7227 times:

Is this something different than the "suicide fences" on many airliners today for when the cockpit door is opened, or just mandating their installation rather than the service cart barricade?

User currently offlinedalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2582 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6884 times:

Funny thing about the picture, it only shows one door. I guess this plane isn't one of the "many" that already have two as stated in the artical. I have not seen one that has the dual door or the wire mesh curtain thing they talk about.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6847 times:

Quoting dalmd88 (Reply 4):

It is a simulator.



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6763 times:

Great, just what we need: Congress legislating yet again about something they know absolutely nothing about when it comes to the airline industry.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8314 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6517 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 5):
It is a simulator.

A 727 sim, at that, complete with FE station.



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User currently offlinepqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

Delta's modified A330's with the flat bed seats already have the secondary cockpit door installed as part of the modification. One aircraft is finished (new internal designator 3L3, modified A333) and one is almost finished (new internal designator 3L2, modified A332).

User currently offlinesk909 From Denmark, joined Nov 2005, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

Seriously? Why not just deny any passangers on the planes? That will prevent any terrorist attacks. No wait... No planes in the sky! That will do the trick!

Is it just me, or is the United States legislative system just showing their incompetence? Adding another door is not going to help. Except for showing off how protective the government is.

It is about time, the people of US stand up to the government, and demand better, brighter and more intelligent legislation! Although we all now why the people doesn't...



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User currently offlinetheflcowboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

I thought the TSA was the be all end all of security? All terrorist attacks should be thwarted by their exceptional capabilities.

I am all for a second door if that means I non longer have to disrobe to get to my flight. Other than that, if they require a second door, they basically admit that the current security procedures are a waste.



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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1331 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 3425 times:

The second door is standard on El Al. There is a school of thought that the second door isn't of much benefit.

User currently offlineairbuster From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Well actually I think that they should install 3 doors whilst doing the modifications that way we will be really super safe!

This is in the category 7 vs 8 minute abs if anyone can recall that from the movie there's something about Mary.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1895 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 2654 times:
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UA uses a barrier on the 757's at least that is extended when the flight deck door is to be opened.


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User currently offlineLLA001 From Turkey, joined May 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

A revolving door should do the trick  

I assume in the future airplane designs, there will be no access between the cockpit and the cabin for the best safety. Pilots would have their own external doors, their own wc's and rest areas, they would probably have to cook for themselves as well.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9670 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Congress should really let the FAA do its job and regulate safety rather than create laws based on emotion that may not be well thought out. Unfortunately, congress has forced the engineers at the FAA responsible for safety and certification to take furlough days instead of talking to them about improving the FARs.


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User currently offlinepqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 15 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

You guys are missing the point.

The purpose of a secondary barrier is for the when the flight deck door needs to be opened in flight, eg. toilet break, crew rest, passing of items between flight deck and cabin. It's the same way some airport security fences work. For traffic going in and out, there is a holding area. The door is always locked on one side of the holding area, so that the flight deck cannot be breached by someone storming the door as its opened.


User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5061 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 5):
It is a simulator.
Quoting N766UA (Reply 7):
A 727 sim, at that, complete with FE station.

It looks more like a static display nose section.

I have never seen a regular cockpit door on a simulator.



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