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Pan Am 6 In 1956 Ditched Pacific Ocean  
User currently offlineQ From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 252 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

I read about the Pan Am flight 6 ditched Pacific Ocean with 4 failure engines and all survivors.

The Captain name was Richard Ogg.

Is that true after name Kahului Airport code is OGG?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_6

Q

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

Quoting Q (Thread starter):
Is that true after name Kahului Airport code is OGG?

OGG pays homage to aviation pioneer Bertram J. Hogg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahului_Airport



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineQ From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):

Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for showing it to me. I thought it was exactly his name Ogg.


Q


User currently onlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

Quoting Q (Thread starter):
I read about the Pan Am flight 6 ditched Pacific Ocean with 4 failure engines and all survivors.

Believe only two engines failed. They were about halfway between HNL and SFO and the lower speed from two engines instead of four, plus increased drag from the stopped props, made it impossible to reach land with the remaining fuel.

They decided to circle until dawn and ditched next to a weather ship. The fuselage broke aft of the wing and sank, but this was anticipated and the rear pax were seated forward for the ditching. The aircraft floated for a while. All saved.

PA515


User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1159 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 3):
Believe only two engines failed. They were about halfway between HNL and SFO and the lower speed from two engines instead of four, plus increased drag from the stopped props, made it impossible to reach land with the remaining fuel.

They decided to circle until dawn and ditched next to a weather ship. The fuselage broke aft of the wing and sank, but this was anticipated and the rear pax were seated forward for the ditching. The aircraft floated for a while. All saved.

PA515


All documented here in this color USCG film from 1956:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvagZxur7sU


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7125 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

It's amazing how many Stratocruisers were lost-almost all of them due to engine or propeller problems. While it was the most capable and luxurious plane of the era, it was expensive and unreliable. Out of 56 built, 13 were lost. Few aircraft since the pioneering days have this dismal a record. Sad; it was a gorgeous plane (although I have to say the Constellation was the most beautiful and elegant plane ever built.)


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User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

I seem to recall there was a book written about this incident at the time, I think I've got it somewhere, because I can remember seeing a PAA plane ditched in the ocean on the cover.

User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 4):
All documented here in this color USCG film from 1956:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvagZ...ur7sU

That's a superb film - I haven't seen it before. The book Air Disaster Vol. 4 by MacArthur Job has a really good write up on this accident. I didn't know there was film - great to see!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13529 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4121 times:
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Amazing recovery. Is there anything similar with jets (ditched in ocean with no or few deaths?). Ok, excluding the recent Lion Air incident which ditched in such shallow water the gear touched bottom!

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 5):
It's amazing how many Stratocruisers were lost

Why the DC-6 and Connie did far better in the market.

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 5):
Out of 56 built, 13 were lost.

  Not a good record.

Lightsaber



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25989 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
Amazing recovery. Is there anything similar with jets (ditched in ocean with no or few deaths?). Ok, excluding the recent Lion Air incident which ditched in such shallow water the gear touched bottom!

As mentioned in many other threads, there was the JAL DC-8-62 that landed in San Francisco Bay a mile or two short of the runway at SFO in poor weather in November 1968. There weren't even any injuries, and the almost new aircraft was repaired by UA over the next 4 months and returned for many more years of service.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VnAvH6z3-c

http://www.dc-8jet.com/Images/jal-dc862-in-sf-bay1.jpg


User currently offlinesuperjeff From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3728 times:
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I was a n 8 year old kid in Honolulu when this happened, and I remember it well. I've always been into aviation and my Dad worked at the airport (U.S. Weather Bureau) and knew many of the Pan Am crew people. They used to have a Coast Guard ship half way between SFO and HNL for communications purposes, which is what saved these pax.

User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1159 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 7):
Amazing recovery. Is there anything similar with jets (ditched in ocean with no or few deaths?). Ok, excluding the recent Lion Air incident which ditched in such shallow water the gear touched bottom!

Off the top of my head, this is the only one I can think of. A book was published a few years back called "35 miles from shore" about the ALM/ONA DC-9 ditching off St. Croix. Very interesting read!


ALM_Flight_980" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALM_Flight_980


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6609 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 8):
Amazing recovery. Is there anything similar with jets (ditched in ocean with no or few deaths?). Ok, excluding the recent Lion Air incident which ditched in such shallow water the gear touched bottom!
Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 11):
Off the top of my head, this is the only one I can think of

I'm really surprised you didn't think of this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nationalcrash.jpg



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3425 times:

..or this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549


User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1159 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12):
I'm really surprised you didn't think of this one:

I was thinking his question was related to open ocean ditchings. Both the National 727 and the JAL DC-8 were approach accidents on aircraft inadvertently flown into the water. As a pilot, I think of a ditching as a forced landing on the water due to mechanical reasons. Flight 1549 certainly qualifies here, but that wasn't an open ocean ditching. Maybe I misunderstood what he was asking.

I just remembered, an Aeroflot TU-124 ran out of fuel in 1963 and ditched in the Neva River with no fatalties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_Ae...Tupolev_Tu-124_Neva_river_ditching


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6609 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 14):
was thinking his question was related to open ocean ditchings

OK, gotcha.


Wasnt there a 727 that ditched in the Atlantic off the east coast about 20 years ago? Not syre if there were fatalities though.



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13529 posts, RR: 100
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3354 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
here was the JAL DC-8-62 that landed in San Francisco Bay

I should have remembered that one. Thank you.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12):
I'm really surprised you didn't think of this one:

I didn't even know about that one! Interesting. But not quite the same in either case. PA 6 was an intentional ditch as the least risky solution to a bad situation. Has any jet been intentionally ditched?

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineBreninTW From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
Has any jet been intentionally ditched?

I would imagine that US1549 would fall in the same category -- the pilots elected to ditch rather than try to force it to the airport.

In both cases, the decision was made to ditch because the pilots knew they wouldn't make the nearest airport.



I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
Has any jet been intentionally ditched?

ALM Flight 980



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

The National 727 mentioned above accidentaly ditched into Escambia Bay on approach to Pensacola.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_193

(Product placement plug? I started the article on wikipedia in '06)


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 672 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
Has any jet been intentionally ditched?

ALM 980, Ethiopian 961, Tunniter 1153 (turboprop but still), Garuda 421



Roger roger, what's our vector, victor?
User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13529 posts, RR: 100
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2950 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
ALM Flight 980
Quoting bueb0g (Reply 20):
ALM 980, Ethiopian 961, Tunniter 1153 (turboprop but still), Garuda 421

Thank you. While I frequent this site often and feel I know quite a bit on aviation, sometimes I come to a.net and find 'gaps in my knowledgebase.'   

Lightsaber



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