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Virgin Atlantic - New Uniform By Vivienne Westwood  
User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 207 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13376 times:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-atlan...ew-uniforms-from-vivienne-westwood

Virgin Atlantic has selected Vivienne Westwood to design its new uniform.... Now this should be interesting cant wait to see it  

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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13223 times:

Well one thing you can say about VW is that she is not reserved so this could be a very interesting uniform indeed.

User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12499 times:

Has been posted on their pinterest page

http://pinterest.com/pin/174444185539035665/
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http://pinterest.com/pin/174444185539035648/


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12425 times:

Its said to include a pencil skirt, cinched waist and a tailored fit to the hips. Maybe not the most flattering style for those with a fuller figure.

User currently offlinetcxdegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11931 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
Its said to include a pencil skirt, cinched waist and a tailored fit to the hips. Maybe not the most flattering style for those with a fuller figure.

There are not that many Fuller Figure crew on Virgin ... they tend to go for model stock!



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 797 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11283 times:

Maybe Virgin should be putting it's efforts into returning to profitability rather then a new uniform that is not required?

ThomasCook



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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11113 times:

Often natural war and tear replacement means costs are limited to design costs. This was the argument given for the new standardised NHS uniforms. Issue with airlines is that they will not do phased introduction and so to kit out everyone simultaneously will have outlay.

User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11068 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 5):
Maybe Virgin should be putting it's efforts into returning to profitability rather then a new uniform that is not required?

Virgin Atlantic is a profitable airline......

They have only posted a loss in 3 of it's years.

They are not in any debt and have a good cash balance in the bank !

The sketches of the new VS uniform look fantastic !

VS is re-launching itself, it's getting back to it's original routes, new planes, new products, new uniforms etc....

The main reason for the new uniform is that, the current John Roche uniform is 14 years old, I know it got re-freshed in 2004 but it's old now and has been copied by other airlines over the years !



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11047 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 5):
Maybe Virgin should be putting it's efforts into returning to profitability rather then a new uniform that is not required?

If we wanna talk about airlines in trouble wasting money - lets look at Thomas Cook, they introduced a new uniform when TCX was re-branded from JMC in 2003, then again with the merger with My Travel in 2008 and again I believe in 2011 - now thats a waste of money - 3 uniforms in 8 years !!

This new uniform for VS will only be their 4th in 30 years !



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User currently offlineQANTASvJet From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11006 times:

For those of us who have eyes only for the male cabin crew, the new design looks pretty dull - M&S value range. Hopefully it has something tucked away that will give it a whole lot more style than is obvious from the sketches

User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10974 times:

Quoting QANTASvJet (Reply 9):
For those of us who have eyes only for the male cabin crew, the new design looks pretty dull - M&S value range. Hopefully it has something tucked away that will give it a whole lot more style than is obvious from the sketches

I have always liked the VS male uniform, a nice grey 3 piece suit. The new one I think will be something different and very unique.

I would love the girls to get hats at VS and I am glad the red shoes are staying !

I hope they keep the wings badge simple and classy - not like the huge ones that Thomson got after their merger ! lol



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 797 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10905 times:

Quoting by738 (Reply 6):
Often natural war and tear replacement means costs are limited to design costs. This was the argument given for the new standardised NHS uniforms. Issue with airlines is that they will not do phased introduction and so to kit out everyone simultaneously will have outlay.

Good point there.

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 7):
Virgin Atlantic is a profitable airline......

£130m loss isn't exactly profitable is it? Hopefully that will turn around soon and I am very happy about Little Red giving BAs monopolised domestic operations a run for their money. I was on their first services on the 31/03 as it happens.

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 7):
The sketches of the new VS uniform look fantastic !

The sketches do indeed look good. Notwithstanding my original point.

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 8):
If we wanna talk about airlines in trouble wasting money - lets look at Thomas Cook, they introduced a new uniform when TCX was re-branded from JMC in 2003, then again with the merger with My Travel in 2008 and again I believe in 2011 - now thats a waste of money - 3 uniforms in 8 years !!

I don't 'wanna' actually. In fact, I am only 'ThomasCook' by username. I've never worked for them. I work for overseas based airline.

Thanks
ThomasCook



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10604 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 11):
£130m loss isn't exactly profitable is it?

that's not what your original comment stated..... you stated.....

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 5):
Maybe Virgin should be putting it's efforts into returning to profitability rather then a new uniform that is not required?

My statement is fact.... Virgin Atlantic is a profitable airline, regardless of the loss last year, they are still in overall profit and have no debts and have a positive cash bank balance - therefore, they are a profitable airline !



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User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10295 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 5):
Maybe Virgin should be putting it's efforts into returning to profitability rather then a new uniform that is not required?

 Wow! They can't walk around naked! Seriously though I take your point, I think their current uniform is good as it is.



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 797 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10023 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 12):
Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 5):
Maybe Virgin should be putting it's efforts into returning to profitability rather then a new uniform that is not required?

+

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 12):
Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 11):
£130m loss isn't exactly profitable is it?

=

The same implication that Virgin Atlantic isn't currently profitable...doesn't it? You stated Virgin is profitable, I rebutted that by responding that a £130m loss isn't profitable. Virgin's net debt has been estimated at £1.2b for 2013 when taking leased frames into account.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 13):
They can't walk around naked! Seriously though I take your point, I think their current uniform is good as it is.

Haha I thought it may read like that when I wrote it!  

Thanks
ThomasCook



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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 852 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9084 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 12):
My statement is fact.... Virgin Atlantic is a profitable airline, regardless of the loss last year, they are still in overall profit and have no debts and have a positive cash bank balance - therefore, they are a profitable airline !

Huh? Regardless of a loss, they are profitable? Do you mean solvent? Not teetering on bankruptcy? Companies can survive for a time while incurring losses but they are not profitable during that period.


User currently offlinegaystudpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8917 times:

Quoting QANTASvJet (Reply 9):
For those of us who have eyes only for the male cabin crew, the new design looks pretty dull - M&S value range. Hopefully it has something tucked away that will give it a whole lot more style than is obvious from the sketches

Stated by Grazia of the women's uniform, "noting the female outfit's "very feminine silhouette, nipped in at the waist and with double pleats and a dart on the pencil skirt."

And by Westwood, "My clothes have always got a very strong dynamic rapport with the body"... "They are very body conscious, they help you to look glamorous, more hourglass, more woman."

Interesting how they do not talk about the men's uniform in a similar way. Instead we get, "...a rich burgundy wool with details in grey wool under the lapels and pockets." BARF.

This would be more appealing:

"Trim cut dress shirts to highlight 6-pack abs, sculpted pecs, broad shoulders, and well developed deltoids"... "low rise suit trousers with a slight V angle in the waistband, just above the fly, to accentuate the wearer's package; darts on the rear of the trousers to highlight the natural curves just below the small of the back; and tapered legs to finish out the athletic, young, and healthy silhouette."


User currently offlinelasairlinerenth From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8661 times:

Sigh.   That would get me on a Virgin Atlantic flight. Or two. Maybe even three. .

Quoting gaystudpilot (Reply 16):
This would be more appealing:

"Trim cut dress shirts to highlight 6-pack abs, sculpted pecs, broad shoulders, and well developed deltoids"... "low rise suit trousers with a slight V angle in the waistband, just above the fly, to accentuate the wearer's package; darts on the rear of the trousers to highlight the natural curves just below the small of the back; and tapered legs to finish out the athletic, young, and healthy silhouette."


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

What is this new uniform season?

New uniforms for JL, MU, QF, sometime this decade for UA, now VS.... Who's next? AA is in most need but its coming, PR & AZ could certainly do with a refresh!


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13520 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6179 times:
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I like the uniforms. Professional and glamorous. It is a cheap way to help sell the airline. Bummer red is now associated with the DL dress in large sizes though...

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 7):
Virgin Atlantic is a profitable airline......

Already noted they lost money and if they were so profitable, why was 49% of the airline sold off?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...in-Atlantic-faces-record-loss.html

But here is more:
Virgin's profit record is patchy at best, another loss expected
As a privately-owned company, Virgin Atlantic does not directly publish detailed accounts, but it does report both its profit and loss account and balance sheet to the UK’s Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), which publishes these financial statements and traffic data on its website. VA’s financial year end is February and it will be some months before FY2012-13 accounts are available.

It has been reported that an internal memo from CEO Craig Kreeger refers to an expected loss that is “well behind where we expected”, with a loss figure of GBP135 million quoted (source: The Sunday Times). Mr Kreeger is reported to have initiated a broad-based cost-cutting plan and a pay freeze. Further losses would be serious after a big loss in the last reported financial year (to end Feb-2012).

In FY2011-12, data from the CAA show that Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd saw revenue growth of 6%, but made an operating loss of GBP92 million (profit of GBP26 million the previous year). The CAA data are only for Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd, rather than for the whole group, which includes Virgin Holidays and differ slightly from those reported in Virgin Atlantic’s press releases for group results. Nevertheless, the CAA data are much more detailed than any VA press release and show the performance of the core airline business of the group.

This report analyses the last reported accounts in some detail below.


See link for more. Look at the graph. The trend is *not* in VS's favor. I'd like the airline to do well. But they've lost some of their appeal. New uniforms will help.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...reater-financial-discipline-101011

VS will be in trouble when more narrowbodies are capable of TATL due to their North American dependence. VS seems to have lost cost control. Has SRB been playing with models of an age to be his granddaughter too much? The slope of CASK (CASM) is steeper than RASK (RASM). That is never a good trend.

But new uniforms returning VS to a bit of their marque will help.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6030 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):

Already noted they lost money and if they were so profitable, why was 49% of the airline sold off?

49% was sold off over a decade ago to singapore ailrines - all that has changed hands is who owns that shareholding.


User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 797 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6007 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 12):
My statement is fact.... Virgin Atlantic is a profitable airline, regardless of the loss last year, they are still in overall profit and have no debts and have a positive cash bank balance - therefore, they are a profitable airline !

Just for your benefit as well, there is a difference between profitable and 'in the black'.

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User currently offlinegaystudpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5989 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 20):
49% was sold off over a decade ago to singapore ailrines - all that has changed hands is who owns that shareholding.

And... the value of that 49% stake!


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5908 times:

Quoting gaystudpilot (Reply 22):
And... the value of that 49% stake!

$360M... hardly a valueless airline. Whilst it is far less than what SQ paid, I don't think anyone in their right mind would of agreed with the SQ valuation.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13520 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5631 times:
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I've been thinking about these uniforms. (I know, on topic. So atypical on a.net.) The form fitting ladies uniform implies a certain amount of 'hiring standard.' Is that legal in the UK?

Also, it seems VS is 'selling' the female uniform. For on closer examination, not only does the male uniform need a better description, its very tailored and should look sharp on an athletic frame.

Has Pan Ann done a skit yet on the new VS uniforms?  
Quoting smi0006 (Reply 18):
What is this new uniform season?

One could hope so. Although VS has done much better than some other airlines 'new' uniforms.

Quoting anstar (Reply 20):
49% was sold off over a decade ago to singapore ailrines - all that has changed hands is who owns that shareholding.

But it was sold off to keep VS liquid. Now SRB made a good deal on the sale; no doubt about that. And the VS trendline is not good. VS sold off 49% of the airline the last 'problem.' What will they do this time?

Quoting anstar (Reply 23):
$360M... hardly a valueless airline.

That I never meant to imply VS was 'valueless,' but that is far different than healthy. DL *must* reform VS to have a good ROI on that investment. Then again, 49% of VS' LHR slots are worth about $360M.  

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25 Post contains images anstar : Given VS now control about 30 odd slots a day at a rough value of $40M given recent purcahes I would say it is worth a bit more than $390M for 49%
26 anstar : Lets not also forget that the Virgin group own alot of the assets VS use.... ie the training centre so they can charge what they like and this may con
27 Post contains images rwy04lga : Most airlines are 100% sold off in the form of stock, VS included. Shares of stock change hands every day. So what?? To Delta? Priceless!!
28 virgincrew : I just think it's hilarious, that every single comment on here about VS, just turns into a VS Bashing ! Let's actually make comments about what the or
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