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Virgin Atlantic - New Uniform By Vivienne Westwood  
User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 201 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13022 times:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-atlan...ew-uniforms-from-vivienne-westwood

Virgin Atlantic has selected Vivienne Westwood to design its new uniform.... Now this should be interesting cant wait to see it  

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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12869 times:

Well one thing you can say about VW is that she is not reserved so this could be a very interesting uniform indeed.

User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12145 times:

Has been posted on their pinterest page

http://pinterest.com/pin/174444185539035665/
&
http://pinterest.com/pin/174444185539035648/


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3538 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12071 times:

Its said to include a pencil skirt, cinched waist and a tailored fit to the hips. Maybe not the most flattering style for those with a fuller figure.

User currently offlinetcxdegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11577 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
Its said to include a pencil skirt, cinched waist and a tailored fit to the hips. Maybe not the most flattering style for those with a fuller figure.

There are not that many Fuller Figure crew on Virgin ... they tend to go for model stock!



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 793 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10929 times:

Maybe Virgin should be putting it's efforts into returning to profitability rather then a new uniform that is not required?

ThomasCook



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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10759 times:

Often natural war and tear replacement means costs are limited to design costs. This was the argument given for the new standardised NHS uniforms. Issue with airlines is that they will not do phased introduction and so to kit out everyone simultaneously will have outlay.

User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10714 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 5):
Maybe Virgin should be putting it's efforts into returning to profitability rather then a new uniform that is not required?

Virgin Atlantic is a profitable airline......

They have only posted a loss in 3 of it's years.

They are not in any debt and have a good cash balance in the bank !

The sketches of the new VS uniform look fantastic !

VS is re-launching itself, it's getting back to it's original routes, new planes, new products, new uniforms etc....

The main reason for the new uniform is that, the current John Roche uniform is 14 years old, I know it got re-freshed in 2004 but it's old now and has been copied by other airlines over the years !



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10693 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 5):
Maybe Virgin should be putting it's efforts into returning to profitability rather then a new uniform that is not required?

If we wanna talk about airlines in trouble wasting money - lets look at Thomas Cook, they introduced a new uniform when TCX was re-branded from JMC in 2003, then again with the merger with My Travel in 2008 and again I believe in 2011 - now thats a waste of money - 3 uniforms in 8 years !!

This new uniform for VS will only be their 4th in 30 years !



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User currently offlineQANTASvJet From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10652 times:

For those of us who have eyes only for the male cabin crew, the new design looks pretty dull - M&S value range. Hopefully it has something tucked away that will give it a whole lot more style than is obvious from the sketches

User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10620 times:

Quoting QANTASvJet (Reply 9):
For those of us who have eyes only for the male cabin crew, the new design looks pretty dull - M&S value range. Hopefully it has something tucked away that will give it a whole lot more style than is obvious from the sketches

I have always liked the VS male uniform, a nice grey 3 piece suit. The new one I think will be something different and very unique.

I would love the girls to get hats at VS and I am glad the red shoes are staying !

I hope they keep the wings badge simple and classy - not like the huge ones that Thomson got after their merger ! lol



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 793 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10551 times:

Quoting by738 (Reply 6):
Often natural war and tear replacement means costs are limited to design costs. This was the argument given for the new standardised NHS uniforms. Issue with airlines is that they will not do phased introduction and so to kit out everyone simultaneously will have outlay.

Good point there.

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 7):
Virgin Atlantic is a profitable airline......

£130m loss isn't exactly profitable is it? Hopefully that will turn around soon and I am very happy about Little Red giving BAs monopolised domestic operations a run for their money. I was on their first services on the 31/03 as it happens.

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 7):
The sketches of the new VS uniform look fantastic !

The sketches do indeed look good. Notwithstanding my original point.

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 8):
If we wanna talk about airlines in trouble wasting money - lets look at Thomas Cook, they introduced a new uniform when TCX was re-branded from JMC in 2003, then again with the merger with My Travel in 2008 and again I believe in 2011 - now thats a waste of money - 3 uniforms in 8 years !!

I don't 'wanna' actually. In fact, I am only 'ThomasCook' by username. I've never worked for them. I work for overseas based airline.

Thanks
ThomasCook



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10250 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 11):
£130m loss isn't exactly profitable is it?

that's not what your original comment stated..... you stated.....

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 5):
Maybe Virgin should be putting it's efforts into returning to profitability rather then a new uniform that is not required?

My statement is fact.... Virgin Atlantic is a profitable airline, regardless of the loss last year, they are still in overall profit and have no debts and have a positive cash bank balance - therefore, they are a profitable airline !



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User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9941 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 5):
Maybe Virgin should be putting it's efforts into returning to profitability rather then a new uniform that is not required?

 Wow! They can't walk around naked! Seriously though I take your point, I think their current uniform is good as it is.



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 793 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9669 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 12):
Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 5):
Maybe Virgin should be putting it's efforts into returning to profitability rather then a new uniform that is not required?

+

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 12):
Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 11):
£130m loss isn't exactly profitable is it?

=

The same implication that Virgin Atlantic isn't currently profitable...doesn't it? You stated Virgin is profitable, I rebutted that by responding that a £130m loss isn't profitable. Virgin's net debt has been estimated at £1.2b for 2013 when taking leased frames into account.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 13):
They can't walk around naked! Seriously though I take your point, I think their current uniform is good as it is.

Haha I thought it may read like that when I wrote it!  

Thanks
ThomasCook



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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 759 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8730 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 12):
My statement is fact.... Virgin Atlantic is a profitable airline, regardless of the loss last year, they are still in overall profit and have no debts and have a positive cash bank balance - therefore, they are a profitable airline !

Huh? Regardless of a loss, they are profitable? Do you mean solvent? Not teetering on bankruptcy? Companies can survive for a time while incurring losses but they are not profitable during that period.


User currently offlinegaystudpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8563 times:

Quoting QANTASvJet (Reply 9):
For those of us who have eyes only for the male cabin crew, the new design looks pretty dull - M&S value range. Hopefully it has something tucked away that will give it a whole lot more style than is obvious from the sketches

Stated by Grazia of the women's uniform, "noting the female outfit's "very feminine silhouette, nipped in at the waist and with double pleats and a dart on the pencil skirt."

And by Westwood, "My clothes have always got a very strong dynamic rapport with the body"... "They are very body conscious, they help you to look glamorous, more hourglass, more woman."

Interesting how they do not talk about the men's uniform in a similar way. Instead we get, "...a rich burgundy wool with details in grey wool under the lapels and pockets." BARF.

This would be more appealing:

"Trim cut dress shirts to highlight 6-pack abs, sculpted pecs, broad shoulders, and well developed deltoids"... "low rise suit trousers with a slight V angle in the waistband, just above the fly, to accentuate the wearer's package; darts on the rear of the trousers to highlight the natural curves just below the small of the back; and tapered legs to finish out the athletic, young, and healthy silhouette."


User currently offlinelasairlinerenth From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8307 times:
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Sigh.   That would get me on a Virgin Atlantic flight. Or two. Maybe even three. .

Quoting gaystudpilot (Reply 16):
This would be more appealing:

"Trim cut dress shirts to highlight 6-pack abs, sculpted pecs, broad shoulders, and well developed deltoids"... "low rise suit trousers with a slight V angle in the waistband, just above the fly, to accentuate the wearer's package; darts on the rear of the trousers to highlight the natural curves just below the small of the back; and tapered legs to finish out the athletic, young, and healthy silhouette."


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 5993 times:

What is this new uniform season?

New uniforms for JL, MU, QF, sometime this decade for UA, now VS.... Who's next? AA is in most need but its coming, PR & AZ could certainly do with a refresh!


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12910 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 18 hours ago) and read 5825 times:
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I like the uniforms. Professional and glamorous. It is a cheap way to help sell the airline. Bummer red is now associated with the DL dress in large sizes though...

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 7):
Virgin Atlantic is a profitable airline......

Already noted they lost money and if they were so profitable, why was 49% of the airline sold off?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...in-Atlantic-faces-record-loss.html

But here is more:
Virgin's profit record is patchy at best, another loss expected
As a privately-owned company, Virgin Atlantic does not directly publish detailed accounts, but it does report both its profit and loss account and balance sheet to the UK’s Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), which publishes these financial statements and traffic data on its website. VA’s financial year end is February and it will be some months before FY2012-13 accounts are available.

It has been reported that an internal memo from CEO Craig Kreeger refers to an expected loss that is “well behind where we expected”, with a loss figure of GBP135 million quoted (source: The Sunday Times). Mr Kreeger is reported to have initiated a broad-based cost-cutting plan and a pay freeze. Further losses would be serious after a big loss in the last reported financial year (to end Feb-2012).

In FY2011-12, data from the CAA show that Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd saw revenue growth of 6%, but made an operating loss of GBP92 million (profit of GBP26 million the previous year). The CAA data are only for Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd, rather than for the whole group, which includes Virgin Holidays and differ slightly from those reported in Virgin Atlantic’s press releases for group results. Nevertheless, the CAA data are much more detailed than any VA press release and show the performance of the core airline business of the group.

This report analyses the last reported accounts in some detail below.


See link for more. Look at the graph. The trend is *not* in VS's favor. I'd like the airline to do well. But they've lost some of their appeal. New uniforms will help.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...reater-financial-discipline-101011

VS will be in trouble when more narrowbodies are capable of TATL due to their North American dependence. VS seems to have lost cost control. Has SRB been playing with models of an age to be his granddaughter too much? The slope of CASK (CASM) is steeper than RASK (RASM). That is never a good trend.

But new uniforms returning VS to a bit of their marque will help.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 5676 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):

Already noted they lost money and if they were so profitable, why was 49% of the airline sold off?

49% was sold off over a decade ago to singapore ailrines - all that has changed hands is who owns that shareholding.


User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 793 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 12):
My statement is fact.... Virgin Atlantic is a profitable airline, regardless of the loss last year, they are still in overall profit and have no debts and have a positive cash bank balance - therefore, they are a profitable airline !

Just for your benefit as well, there is a difference between profitable and 'in the black'.

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User currently offlinegaystudpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 5635 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 20):
49% was sold off over a decade ago to singapore ailrines - all that has changed hands is who owns that shareholding.

And... the value of that 49% stake!


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 5554 times:

Quoting gaystudpilot (Reply 22):
And... the value of that 49% stake!

$360M... hardly a valueless airline. Whilst it is far less than what SQ paid, I don't think anyone in their right mind would of agreed with the SQ valuation.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12910 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 5277 times:
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I've been thinking about these uniforms. (I know, on topic. So atypical on a.net.) The form fitting ladies uniform implies a certain amount of 'hiring standard.' Is that legal in the UK?

Also, it seems VS is 'selling' the female uniform. For on closer examination, not only does the male uniform need a better description, its very tailored and should look sharp on an athletic frame.

Has Pan Ann done a skit yet on the new VS uniforms?  
Quoting smi0006 (Reply 18):
What is this new uniform season?

One could hope so. Although VS has done much better than some other airlines 'new' uniforms.

Quoting anstar (Reply 20):
49% was sold off over a decade ago to singapore ailrines - all that has changed hands is who owns that shareholding.

But it was sold off to keep VS liquid. Now SRB made a good deal on the sale; no doubt about that. And the VS trendline is not good. VS sold off 49% of the airline the last 'problem.' What will they do this time?

Quoting anstar (Reply 23):
$360M... hardly a valueless airline.

That I never meant to imply VS was 'valueless,' but that is far different than healthy. DL *must* reform VS to have a good ROI on that investment. Then again, 49% of VS' LHR slots are worth about $360M.  

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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 25, posted (1 year 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 5280 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 24):
That I never meant to imply VS was 'valueless,' but that is far different than healthy. DL *must* reform VS to have a good ROI on that investment. Then again, 49% of VS' LHR slots are worth about $360M.

Given VS now control about 30 odd slots a day at a rough value of $40M given recent purcahes I would say it is worth a bit more than $390M   for 49%


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 26, posted (1 year 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 5230 times:

Lets not also forget that the Virgin group own alot of the assets VS use.... ie the training centre so they can charge what they like and this may contribute to the airline P&L. As with most things Virgin... Don't always believe wha you read... I personally believe the loss posted last year may be a little smoke and mirrors.

User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 27, posted (1 year 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
Already noted they lost money and if they were so profitable, why was 49% of the airline sold off?

Most airlines are 100% sold off in the form of stock, VS included.

Quoting anstar (Reply 20):
49% was sold off over a decade ago to singapore ailrines - all that has changed hands is who owns that shareholding.

     
Shares of stock change hands every day. So what??

Quoting gaystudpilot (Reply 22):
And... the value of that 49% stake!

To Delta? Priceless!!



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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 4903 times:

I just think it's hilarious, that every single comment on here about VS, just turns into a VS Bashing !

Let's actually make comments about what the original thread was about !



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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 759 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

I think this...

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 24):
Also, it seems VS is 'selling' the female uniform. For on closer examination, not only does the male uniform need a better description, its very tailored and should look sharp on an athletic frame.

Is covered here...

Quoting gaystudpilot (Reply 16):
This would be more appealing:

"Trim cut dress shirts to highlight 6-pack abs, sculpted pecs, broad shoulders, and well developed deltoids"... "low rise suit trousers with a slight V angle in the waistband, just above the fly, to accentuate the wearer's package; darts on the rear of the trousers to highlight the natural curves just below the small of the back; and tapered legs to finish out the athletic, young, and healthy silhouette."


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