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AS To Start PDX-ATL And PDX-DFW  
User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8066 times:

Just received a press release from AS announcing service starting Aug 26 for PDX-ATL and Sep 16 for PDX-DFW

Flight Times as follows:


PDX-ATL 9:50AM - 5:35PM daily
ATL-PDX 5:10PM - 7:30PM daily

PDX-DFW 10:15AM - 4:04PM daily
DFW-PDX 5:00PM - 6:59PM daily

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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8069 times:

Link to press release:

http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsr...s/ASstories/AS_20130502_060459.asp


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4055 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8036 times:

Interesting that AS seems to be ceding some SEA markets to DL while picking up the slack at PDX. I wonder if the day will come that AS is pushed out enough from SEA that PDX becomes just as large a station for them.

User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1683 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7919 times:
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Starting at the end of the peak is aggressive. This might have been better as a May 2014 start.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
Interesting that AS seems to be ceding some SEA markets to DL while picking up the slack at PDX

What exactly is AS ceding in SEA to DL? AS isn't ceding anything. This is further growth opportunities now that SEA is getting maxed out and they still have planes on delivery.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
wonder if the day will come that AS is pushed out enough from SEA that PDX becomes just as large a station for them.

NO, that will never happen.


The schedule is interesting. Doesn't AS already have a plane on the ground in ATL at the same time? Probably no big deal since they contract their ground ops anyway. Obviously the SEA-ATL plane turns to ATL-PDX and vice versa cuz 25 min turn is too short. In the winter I can see a schedule change for PDX cuz they will need less capacity on ATL-PDX than on ATL-SEA. So a 73G offpeak for PDX and 738 for SEA.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4055 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7852 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 3):
What exactly is AS ceding in SEA to DL? AS isn't ceding anything. This is further growth opportunities now that SEA is getting maxed out and they still have planes on delivery.

I was referring specifically to SEA-ATL being dropped a frequency on AS metal and ostensibly being picked up by DL. This isn't the first time DL has started a SEA route only to see AS drop frequency, or simply not respond.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1683 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7806 times:
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Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4):
was referring specifically to SEA-ATL being dropped a frequency on AS metal and ostensibly being picked up by DL. This isn't the first time DL has started a SEA route only to see AS drop frequency, or simply not respond.

Could be seasonal. When AS started SEA-ATL they didn't have the red eye, just the day turn. They could have found the red eye didn't work so well this past winter.

BTW a quick check. I am showing ATL-SEA at 2xdaily at least through November. Where do you see the pull down that in my opinion would be no big deal anyways.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7782 times:
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It'll be interesting if there will be impact to NK's PDX-DFW

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 3):
The schedule is interesting. Doesn't AS already have a plane on the ground in ATL at the same time? Probably no big deal since they contract their ground ops anyway. Obviously the SEA-ATL plane turns to ATL-PDX and vice versa cuz 25 min turn is too short. In the winter I can see a schedule change for PDX cuz they will need less capacity on ATL-PDX than on ATL-SEA. So a 73G offpeak for PDX and 738 for SEA.

AS parks at the north end of the B concourse at ATL. The timing is perfect because it's aligned with the last or near-last round of the DL connections. Is AS removing the SEA-ATL redeye?

I would like to see what kind of impact AS will have on NK loads on the PDX-DFW run.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1683 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7749 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
Is AS removing the SEA-ATL redeye?

At least thru Nov, it doesn't look like it. Jan-Mar wouldn't surprise me. It would be among the most marginal flights based on seasonality, economy and fuel prices.


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7564 times:
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Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):

That will never happen. AS is king at SEA. They are expanding else where simply because they can't have all of their eggs in one basket and SEA can only grow so much. These routes from PDX will do well for AS.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3051 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

Interesting. Neither would have been my first guess for "connect the dots" new destinations from PDX. I would have guessed EWR and maybe FLL before ATL and DFW.

So that makes recent new PDX announced service to ATL, DFW, FAI, ORD and LIH. DEN and MCO have been discontinued, along with the short lived PVR and SJD.

What's next for PDX (and SEA for that matter) on AS?


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20504 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7485 times:

More good news of added service at PDX. Keep it coming!   


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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 926 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7464 times:

I am so excited to get three Smiling Eskimo tails in ATL. I NEVER thought I would see the day! AS often will swap planes in ATL and they ferry to their mtc base in GSO.


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User currently offlinekbmiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7449 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 3):
The schedule is interesting. Doesn't AS already have a plane on the ground in ATL at the same time? Probably no big deal since they contract their ground ops anyway. Obviously the SEA-ATL plane turns to ATL-PDX and vice versa cuz 25 min turn is too short. In the winter I can see a schedule change for PDX cuz they will need less capacity on ATL-PDX than on ATL-SEA. So a 73G offpeak for PDX and 738 for SEA.



ATL-PDX actually departs (5:10) BEFORE PDX-ATL arrives (5:35). So they still only need one gate (assuming flights are on time, and PDX-ATL doesn't arrive too early).


User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4):
I was referring specifically to SEA-ATL being dropped a frequency on AS metal and ostensibly being picked up by DL. This isn't the first time DL has started a SEA route only to see AS drop frequency, or simply not respond.

SEA-ATL redeye is in the system through March 2014...it's apparently not going anywhere. Two flights daily SEA-ATL


User currently offlinemd3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7395 times:

One SEA flight is being cut. From the press release:

Quote:
The Portland-Atlanta flight will replace one of the two scheduled Seattle-Atlanta flights, which the carrier will reduce to one daily flight starting Aug. 26.

I think PDX is a great fit for these additions. For those AS customers who aren't o/d in SEA, PDX is just as good if not better IMO as a connecting airport. Depending on the day, the evening arrivals in PDX can connect to ANC, FAI, SEA, GEG, SAN, LAX, EUG, YVR, LAS, BOI, etc.

[Edited 2013-05-02 08:13:47]

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7297 times:

Great news for PDX! Creative use of some of the a/c after the summer rush is over. It does look as though, based on the OAG-thread this week, there will be lots of shifts in frequency/capacity this fall from last year -- mostly to the positive for PDX, even without these adds! AS does seem to be pouring it on at PDX right now and that's nice to see.

This year does seem to be quite a nice one for the Rose City, with many new routes from a few carriers. My assumption is that pax traffic will be up significantly for 2013.

I'm just curious if any of our AS friends out there know whether AS is still returning 6 a/c this year or if they've changed their minds and are using some of them for these, and other, adds? I know there are lots of cuts in late August but does that usual seasonal adjustment create enough slack for this type of growth or are more planes needed? After all, both of these new PDX-routes will require the majority of one frame each per day...

bb


User currently offlineBDL757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7212 times:

I think it's interesting that AS has picked DFW as a new link to PDX when they partner with AA who has 4 daily PDX-DFW flights. Now at DFW it looks like AS will have 3x daily flights to SEA and 1x daily flight to PDX. I wonder if AS will grow more at DFW and add a SAN flight or something.

User currently offlinelhpdx From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7139 times:

This is awesome news for both Portland and Alaska!

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7139 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4):
I was referring specifically to SEA-ATL being dropped a frequency on AS metal and ostensibly being picked up by DL. This isn't the first time DL has started a SEA route only to see AS drop frequency, or simply not respond
Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 13):
SEA-ATL redeye is in the system through March 2014...it's apparently not going anywhere. Two flights daily SEA-ATL.

The press release specifically mentions the dropping of one of the SEA-ATL flights:

Quote:
The Portland-Atlanta flight will replace one of the two scheduled Seattle-Atlanta flights, which the carrier will reduce to one daily flight starting Aug. 26.

(This also helps answer one of my questions in my earlier post...)

bb


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6815 times:

Quoting kbmiflyer (Reply 12):
ATL-PDX actually departs (5:10) BEFORE PDX-ATL arrives (5:35). So they still only need one gate (assuming flights are on time, and PDX-ATL doesn't arrive too early).

Push comes to shove they will just use B31 and B33. That's what they did in the past when two AS frames were on the ground at the same time for whatever reason. DL can spare the 2 gates they normally shift flights AROUND the AS turns so that they get priority use of B31 (33 in this case if it needs to happen).



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 936 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6809 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
The press release specifically mentions the dropping of one of the SEA-ATL flights

Thanks SANFan....saw that after my post. Guess they haven't taken the red-eye SEA-ATL out of the system yet. Bummer
 


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6797 times:

Quoting rgreenftm (Thread starter):


Just received a press release from AS announcing service starting Aug 26 for PDX-ATL and Sep 16 for PDX-DFW

That's a bit of a strategic change for them. Can't remember the last time they added long domestic (non-Hawaii) markets from PDX.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
The press release specifically mentions the dropping of one of the SEA-ATL flights:

Makes me wonder which flight they will pull or they may re-time the remaining SEA-ATL all together. The red-eye is great for pax connecting to LatAm and the Caribbean that all pushes during the morning hours. The afternoon turn is perfect for TATL.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3051 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6743 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 21):
That's a bit of a strategic change for them. Can't remember the last time they added long domestic (non-Hawaii) markets from PDX.
ORD, BOS, FAI and MCO (discontinued later).

DCA too.

[Edited 2013-05-02 10:40:36]

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2182 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

Very interesting. AS will definitely straddle the fence between NK and AA on DFWPDX, but I discovered recently that the Spirit flight runs seasonally.

Good luck to AS on these routes, I think the ATL flight is a bit more obscure, but still cool nonetheless.



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25 SANFan : As has been mentioned, the SEA-ATL-SEA and the PDX-ATL-PDX flights will turn to each other according to the published times of the new PDX flights (s
26 BNAOWB : Regarding ATL-PDX, did FL ever attempt this route? Also, would this be an attractive route for WN? It appears that WN's easternmost nonstop from PDX i
27 jr : I believe they dropped the 3rd flight for the winter and never added it back. Not sure if that is ever coming back. The previous winter when this fli
28 mtnwest1979 : No ,AirTran has never tried the PDX waters. As for WN, they'd have to wait until 10/14 at earliest to do a PDX-DAL trip. I personally do not think th
29 Post contains images HiFlyerAS : Not to sound greedy but hoping SEA sees a little love on the fall schedule! Seems like SAN and PDX are getting all the love and attention lately! It's
30 FlyASAGuy2005 : I'd expect other adds from stronger WN stations on the west coast to ATL before PDX. PDX in and of itself is a seasonal station to some degree. It is
31 BoeingGuy : PHL, SAT, SLC, MCI are all fairly recent new markets. But yeah, it will be interesting to see what's next. RDU maybe? SJC isn't getting much love lat
32 rgreenftm : SEA-SLC was started last month, SEA-PHL was less than a year ago I believe, I lose track of time.
33 HiFlyerAS : Forgot about SLC...seems like it should have been added so many years ago that by the time service started it was old news! LOL Yes, PHL was about a
34 BoeingGuy : Didn't some people say that IAH is one of AS's weaker flights? I remember that being posted. Is that still true?
35 southwest737500 : I think CLT would be a great addition. A one daily flight of a 738 would seem good to me Thoughts?
36 Post contains images SANFan : Yeah, that's a bummer isn't it?! You know how I hate to see that happening... But seriously, I think the really ripe low hanging fruit from SEA has b
37 cschleic : Seattle market is many times larger than PDX. Can't happen.
38 ridgid727 : Wonder if AS may also add PDX-SLC
39 Post contains images YXwatcherMKE : I would love to see AS at MKE to either SEA or PDX. But I think PDX has a better chance than SEA does because of n/s flight by WN and direct service b
40 BoeingGuy : When was the last time that AS mainline served a market from PDX and not SEA? If they did, I'm sure it would be SEA-MKE first.
41 Post contains images RWA380 : AS will capture the many, many loyal AS fliers from the Portland area, and attract some loyal AA fliers from Dallas, since AS will have the better eq
42 flyboy80 : I don't find much difference between the equipment types, and to be quite honest, from a passenger perspective, I'd rather be on the 80 with it's five
43 HiFlyerAS : If I had a choice I would never choose a MD80 model but to each his own. Those noisy, tired AA Super80's are no spring chickens (mechanical delays).
44 cjpmaestro : Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 29): I think CLT would be a great addition. A one daily flight of a 738 would seem good to me Thoughts? When US and AA get th
45 FlyASAGuy2005 : My ranking as far as comfort has always been the 88 ahead of the 737s (for Delta). Factoring in the front cabin, the 88 makes out like a bandit IMO. E
46 wedgetail737 : You make SEA sound like a deplorable place to make connections. SEA is one of the easiest major airports to make connections, compared to ORD, DFW, M
47 Post contains links threeifbyair : Not much scope for growth with these two flights getting added. Fleet growth is pretty limited this year (+9 739ERs, -3 73Gs, -3 734s) so AS can't be
48 BigGSFO : It's being or was just finished being renovated. I'm a frequent Portland based traveler and if I have to connect somewhere, I'd rather it be in Seatt
49 BA : AS is adding a 3rd daily SEA-BOS for the summer season this year. Swapping one of their SEA-ATL flights to PDX-ATL is hardly something worth panicking
50 HiFlyerAS : Word is that the -700's are staying. Not sure about the -400's.
51 RWA380 : Last time I connected between AS/AS in SEA, we went into the satellite and had to take the train over where all the QX flights we going from on C IIR
52 EA CO AS : The -700s are going. That's why they're not getting the cabin refresh/IFE.
53 bobloblaw : So As's smallest plane will be the 738? Seems a bit large.
54 southwest737500 : Most certainly I fully expect to see SEA first from CLT. Maybe like AM departure from SEA and an afternoon arrival in CLT then a late afternoon depar
55 EA CO AS : It has far better seat-mile economics than the 73G does and from what I understand it can be profitably flown in every existing AS market the 734 and
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