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AS To Start PDX-ATL And PDX-DFW  
User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8133 times:

Just received a press release from AS announcing service starting Aug 26 for PDX-ATL and Sep 16 for PDX-DFW

Flight Times as follows:


PDX-ATL 9:50AM - 5:35PM daily
ATL-PDX 5:10PM - 7:30PM daily

PDX-DFW 10:15AM - 4:04PM daily
DFW-PDX 5:00PM - 6:59PM daily

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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8136 times:

Link to press release:

http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsr...s/ASstories/AS_20130502_060459.asp


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8103 times:

Interesting that AS seems to be ceding some SEA markets to DL while picking up the slack at PDX. I wonder if the day will come that AS is pushed out enough from SEA that PDX becomes just as large a station for them.

User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7986 times:

Starting at the end of the peak is aggressive. This might have been better as a May 2014 start.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
Interesting that AS seems to be ceding some SEA markets to DL while picking up the slack at PDX

What exactly is AS ceding in SEA to DL? AS isn't ceding anything. This is further growth opportunities now that SEA is getting maxed out and they still have planes on delivery.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
wonder if the day will come that AS is pushed out enough from SEA that PDX becomes just as large a station for them.

NO, that will never happen.


The schedule is interesting. Doesn't AS already have a plane on the ground in ATL at the same time? Probably no big deal since they contract their ground ops anyway. Obviously the SEA-ATL plane turns to ATL-PDX and vice versa cuz 25 min turn is too short. In the winter I can see a schedule change for PDX cuz they will need less capacity on ATL-PDX than on ATL-SEA. So a 73G offpeak for PDX and 738 for SEA.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7919 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 3):
What exactly is AS ceding in SEA to DL? AS isn't ceding anything. This is further growth opportunities now that SEA is getting maxed out and they still have planes on delivery.

I was referring specifically to SEA-ATL being dropped a frequency on AS metal and ostensibly being picked up by DL. This isn't the first time DL has started a SEA route only to see AS drop frequency, or simply not respond.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7873 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4):
was referring specifically to SEA-ATL being dropped a frequency on AS metal and ostensibly being picked up by DL. This isn't the first time DL has started a SEA route only to see AS drop frequency, or simply not respond.

Could be seasonal. When AS started SEA-ATL they didn't have the red eye, just the day turn. They could have found the red eye didn't work so well this past winter.

BTW a quick check. I am showing ATL-SEA at 2xdaily at least through November. Where do you see the pull down that in my opinion would be no big deal anyways.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7849 times:
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It'll be interesting if there will be impact to NK's PDX-DFW

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 3):
The schedule is interesting. Doesn't AS already have a plane on the ground in ATL at the same time? Probably no big deal since they contract their ground ops anyway. Obviously the SEA-ATL plane turns to ATL-PDX and vice versa cuz 25 min turn is too short. In the winter I can see a schedule change for PDX cuz they will need less capacity on ATL-PDX than on ATL-SEA. So a 73G offpeak for PDX and 738 for SEA.

AS parks at the north end of the B concourse at ATL. The timing is perfect because it's aligned with the last or near-last round of the DL connections. Is AS removing the SEA-ATL redeye?

I would like to see what kind of impact AS will have on NK loads on the PDX-DFW run.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7816 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
Is AS removing the SEA-ATL redeye?

At least thru Nov, it doesn't look like it. Jan-Mar wouldn't surprise me. It would be among the most marginal flights based on seasonality, economy and fuel prices.


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 670 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7631 times:
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Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):

That will never happen. AS is king at SEA. They are expanding else where simply because they can't have all of their eggs in one basket and SEA can only grow so much. These routes from PDX will do well for AS.



avi8
User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3097 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7572 times:

Interesting. Neither would have been my first guess for "connect the dots" new destinations from PDX. I would have guessed EWR and maybe FLL before ATL and DFW.

So that makes recent new PDX announced service to ATL, DFW, FAI, ORD and LIH. DEN and MCO have been discontinued, along with the short lived PVR and SJD.

What's next for PDX (and SEA for that matter) on AS?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20677 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

More good news of added service at PDX. Keep it coming!   


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User currently onlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

I am so excited to get three Smiling Eskimo tails in ATL. I NEVER thought I would see the day! AS often will swap planes in ATL and they ferry to their mtc base in GSO.


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User currently offlinekbmiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7516 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 3):
The schedule is interesting. Doesn't AS already have a plane on the ground in ATL at the same time? Probably no big deal since they contract their ground ops anyway. Obviously the SEA-ATL plane turns to ATL-PDX and vice versa cuz 25 min turn is too short. In the winter I can see a schedule change for PDX cuz they will need less capacity on ATL-PDX than on ATL-SEA. So a 73G offpeak for PDX and 738 for SEA.



ATL-PDX actually departs (5:10) BEFORE PDX-ATL arrives (5:35). So they still only need one gate (assuming flights are on time, and PDX-ATL doesn't arrive too early).


User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 969 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7495 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4):
I was referring specifically to SEA-ATL being dropped a frequency on AS metal and ostensibly being picked up by DL. This isn't the first time DL has started a SEA route only to see AS drop frequency, or simply not respond.

SEA-ATL redeye is in the system through March 2014...it's apparently not going anywhere. Two flights daily SEA-ATL


User currently offlinemd3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7462 times:

One SEA flight is being cut. From the press release:

Quote:
The Portland-Atlanta flight will replace one of the two scheduled Seattle-Atlanta flights, which the carrier will reduce to one daily flight starting Aug. 26.

I think PDX is a great fit for these additions. For those AS customers who aren't o/d in SEA, PDX is just as good if not better IMO as a connecting airport. Depending on the day, the evening arrivals in PDX can connect to ANC, FAI, SEA, GEG, SAN, LAX, EUG, YVR, LAS, BOI, etc.

[Edited 2013-05-02 08:13:47]

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5440 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7364 times:

Great news for PDX! Creative use of some of the a/c after the summer rush is over. It does look as though, based on the OAG-thread this week, there will be lots of shifts in frequency/capacity this fall from last year -- mostly to the positive for PDX, even without these adds! AS does seem to be pouring it on at PDX right now and that's nice to see.

This year does seem to be quite a nice one for the Rose City, with many new routes from a few carriers. My assumption is that pax traffic will be up significantly for 2013.

I'm just curious if any of our AS friends out there know whether AS is still returning 6 a/c this year or if they've changed their minds and are using some of them for these, and other, adds? I know there are lots of cuts in late August but does that usual seasonal adjustment create enough slack for this type of growth or are more planes needed? After all, both of these new PDX-routes will require the majority of one frame each per day...

bb


User currently offlineBDL757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7279 times:

I think it's interesting that AS has picked DFW as a new link to PDX when they partner with AA who has 4 daily PDX-DFW flights. Now at DFW it looks like AS will have 3x daily flights to SEA and 1x daily flight to PDX. I wonder if AS will grow more at DFW and add a SAN flight or something.

User currently onlinelhpdx From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7206 times:

This is awesome news for both Portland and Alaska!

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5440 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7206 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4):
I was referring specifically to SEA-ATL being dropped a frequency on AS metal and ostensibly being picked up by DL. This isn't the first time DL has started a SEA route only to see AS drop frequency, or simply not respond
Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 13):
SEA-ATL redeye is in the system through March 2014...it's apparently not going anywhere. Two flights daily SEA-ATL.

The press release specifically mentions the dropping of one of the SEA-ATL flights:

Quote:
The Portland-Atlanta flight will replace one of the two scheduled Seattle-Atlanta flights, which the carrier will reduce to one daily flight starting Aug. 26.

(This also helps answer one of my questions in my earlier post...)

bb


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

Quoting kbmiflyer (Reply 12):
ATL-PDX actually departs (5:10) BEFORE PDX-ATL arrives (5:35). So they still only need one gate (assuming flights are on time, and PDX-ATL doesn't arrive too early).

Push comes to shove they will just use B31 and B33. That's what they did in the past when two AS frames were on the ground at the same time for whatever reason. DL can spare the 2 gates they normally shift flights AROUND the AS turns so that they get priority use of B31 (33 in this case if it needs to happen).



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 969 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
The press release specifically mentions the dropping of one of the SEA-ATL flights

Thanks SANFan....saw that after my post. Guess they haven't taken the red-eye SEA-ATL out of the system yet. Bummer
 


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6864 times:

Quoting rgreenftm (Thread starter):


Just received a press release from AS announcing service starting Aug 26 for PDX-ATL and Sep 16 for PDX-DFW

That's a bit of a strategic change for them. Can't remember the last time they added long domestic (non-Hawaii) markets from PDX.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6829 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
The press release specifically mentions the dropping of one of the SEA-ATL flights:

Makes me wonder which flight they will pull or they may re-time the remaining SEA-ATL all together. The red-eye is great for pax connecting to LatAm and the Caribbean that all pushes during the morning hours. The afternoon turn is perfect for TATL.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3097 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6810 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 21):
That's a bit of a strategic change for them. Can't remember the last time they added long domestic (non-Hawaii) markets from PDX.
ORD, BOS, FAI and MCO (discontinued later).

DCA too.

[Edited 2013-05-02 10:40:36]

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

Very interesting. AS will definitely straddle the fence between NK and AA on DFWPDX, but I discovered recently that the Spirit flight runs seasonally.

Good luck to AS on these routes, I think the ATL flight is a bit more obscure, but still cool nonetheless.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5440 posts, RR: 12
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6909 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 3):
Obviously the SEA-ATL plane turns to ATL-PDX and vice versa cuz 25 min turn is too short.
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 22):
Makes me wonder which flight they will pull or they may re-time the remaining SEA-ATL all together.

As has been mentioned, the SEA-ATL-SEA and the PDX-ATL-PDX flights will turn to each other according to the published times of the new PDX flights (since the PDX-ATL flight arrives after the ATL-PDX flight departs.) So it appears to be the red-eye between SEA and ATL that will be cut (and that business turned over to DL.)

Nothing was mentioned in the p r about any AS SEA-DFW flights being re-born as the PDX-DFW flight so I assume there will be no cuts on the SEA-DFW route (by AS.) As to how AA and NK react, that might be interesting. (AFAIK the Spirit r/t between PDX and DFW has been seasonal recently so might that change?)

bb


User currently offlineBNAOWB From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

Regarding ATL-PDX, did FL ever attempt this route? Also, would this be an attractive route for WN? It appears that WN's easternmost nonstop from PDX is MDW.

User currently offlinejr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6937 times:

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 16):
Now at DFW it looks like AS will have 3x daily flights to SEA and 1x daily flight to PDX

I believe they dropped the 3rd flight for the winter and never added it back. Not sure if that is ever coming back. The previous winter when this flight was reduced, it came back in summer. I miss being able to leave on the early morning out of DFW and returning on the last arrival at night. I really hope they bring that flight back - those were the flights I used to take on my trips to SEA for work.



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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6947 times:
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Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 26):
Regarding ATL-PDX, did FL ever attempt this route? Also, would this be an attractive route for WN? It appears that WN's easternmost nonstop from PDX is MDW.

No ,AirTran has never tried the PDX waters. As for WN, they'd have to wait until 10/14 at earliest to do a PDX-DAL trip. I personally do not think that they will. I think a PDX-HOU would come before a DAL nonstop.



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 969 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6949 times:

Not to sound greedy but hoping SEA sees a little love on the fall schedule! Seems like SAN and PDX are getting all the love and attention lately!  

It's been awhile since a new market (as opposed to connecting existing dots) has been launched. Still hoping to see SEA-DTW, MSY, BWI, JFK, RDU, CLT, OMA, ITC, ABQ, .....


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 30, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6749 times:

Quoting BNAOWB (Reply 26):
Regarding ATL-PDX, did FL ever attempt this route? Also, would this be an attractive route for WN? It appears that WN's easternmost nonstop from PDX is MDW.

I'd expect other adds from stronger WN stations on the west coast to ATL before PDX. PDX in and of itself is a seasonal station to some degree. It isn't even flown year-round on Delta ex-DTW.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3097 posts, RR: 7
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6767 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 29):
It's been awhile since a new market (as opposed to connecting existing dots) has been launched.

PHL, SAT, SLC, MCI are all fairly recent new markets. But yeah, it will be interesting to see what's next. RDU maybe?


Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 29):
Seems like SAN and PDX are getting all the love and attention lately!

SJC isn't getting much love lately either. Hopefully AS will start building up SJC again.


User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6749 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 29):

SEA-SLC was started last month, SEA-PHL was less than a year ago I believe, I lose track of time.


User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 969 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day ago) and read 6615 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 29):
It's been awhile since a new market (as opposed to connecting existing dots) has been launched. Still hoping to see SEA-DTW, MSY, BWI, JFK, RDU, CLT, OMA, ITC, ABQ, .....

Forgot about SLC...seems like it should have been added so many years ago that by the time service started it was old news! LOL

Yes, PHL was about a year ago but everything else (AUS, MCI, SAT) has been around a good while. I'd also love to see a 2nd SEA-IAH flight...can't believe they haven't done that but it seems that they're not so interested in local boards in IAH.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3097 posts, RR: 7
Reply 34, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day ago) and read 6600 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 33):
I'd also love to see a 2nd SEA-IAH flight...can't believe they haven't done that but it seems that they're not so interested in local boards in IAH.

Didn't some people say that IAH is one of AS's weaker flights? I remember that being posted. Is that still true?


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 35, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day ago) and read 6498 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 29):

I think CLT would be a great addition. A one daily flight of a 738 would seem good to me

Thoughts?


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5440 posts, RR: 12
Reply 36, posted (1 year 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 6480 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 29):
Seems like SAN and PDX are getting all the love and attention lately.


Yeah, that's a bummer isn't it?! You know how I hate to see that happening...  

But seriously, I think the really ripe low hanging fruit from SEA has been pretty will gathered by now. Cities mentioned as potential new routes from SEA/TAC may include a few possibilities (like DTW) but I'd bet that most of the rest have pretty low traffic figures, doubtfully enough to support even a single daily year-round flight, OR already have a lot of competition (such as JFK.) If and when I get a chance, I'll check the DOT figures and see what things look like. (For example, I did recently check MSY and the average PDEW for SEA-MSY for 2011 was right around 124. Even with connecting traffic over SEA, that's a pretty thin route.) Just wondering out loud here.

Final thought (for this post anyway.) Is it possible that PDX-ATL might at least partially be the next round of the recent on-going sniggling going on between AS and DL that's been discussed quite a bit so far this year? Since AS appears to be giving ground to DL a bit on the SEA-ATL run, maybe I'm wrong but AS is definitely venturing into a DL-only market here (PDX-ATL...)

bb


User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
I wonder if the day will come that AS is pushed out enough from SEA that PDX becomes just as large a station for them.

Seattle market is many times larger than PDX. Can't happen.


User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 33):
Forgot about SLC...seems like it should have been added so many years ago that by the time service started it was old news! LOL

Wonder if AS may also add PDX-SLC


User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (1 year 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

I would love to see AS at MKE to either SEA or PDX. But I think PDX has a better chance than SEA does because of n/s flight by WN and direct service by DL    Yes, I know I'm dreaming....


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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3097 posts, RR: 7
Reply 40, posted (1 year 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 39):
I would love to see AS at MKE to either SEA or PDX. But I think PDX has a better chance than SEA does because of n/s flight by WN and direct service by DL. Yes, I know I'm dreaming....

When was the last time that AS mainline served a market from PDX and not SEA? If they did, I'm sure it would be SEA-MKE first.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3299 posts, RR: 5
Reply 41, posted (1 year 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
I would like to see what kind of impact AS will have on NK loads on the PDX-DFW run



AS will capture the many, many loyal AS fliers from the Portland area, and attract some loyal AA fliers from Dallas, since AS will have the better equipment and IMO, service between AA and AS.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Interesting. Neither would have been my first guess for "connect the dots" new destinations from PDX. I would have guessed EWR and maybe FLL before ATL and DFW.



Me neither, I would have expected the same exact places you mentioned. But it does look like AS is nesting quite well with both DL and AA in their respective largest hubs.

Quoting md3 (Reply 14):
I think PDX is a great fit for these additions. For those AS customers who aren't o/d in SEA, PDX is just as good if not better IMO as a connecting airport. Depending on the day, the evening arrivals in PDX can connect to ANC, FAI, SEA, GEG, SAN, LAX, EUG, YVR, LAS, BOI, etc.



I 100% agree, PDX is a much more civilized place to connect on AS, vs SEA. PDX is a smaller facility, the gates are more in the same area here at PDX than at SEA. The stores and food options are better in PDX as well. Only down side is the AS boardroom here is not as nice as the one in SEA, IMO.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 15):
This year does seem to be quite a nice one for the Rose City, with many new routes from a few carriers. My assumption is that pax traffic will be up significantly for 2013.



Hey B.. You know there was just a news story on today, that Portland's housing market is one of the hottest in the country, with homes selling within hours of going on the market. This is a definite indicator that our economy here in the Rose City is rebounding pretty well. I think AS sees these trends and connecting the dots is just another good way of solidifying themselves in this market.

I also think an increasing number of Portland based travellers are tired of having to connect in SEA for everything. Time was in the past that many carriers that flew to Portland did it as a tag from SEA or as a connection, same thing in SAN IIRC. As we have had more non-stop options as of late, there is a certain annoyance of having a SEA connection, it's irritating me for my next trip to Kona, so I believe AS is hopefully easing the bottlenecks during peak times in SEA by offering connections and O/D traffic via PDX.

Quoting BDL757 (Reply 16):
I think it's interesting that AS has picked DFW as a new link to PDX when they partner with AA who has 4 daily PDX-DFW flights.



All I can say is, what would you rather fly in for nearly 4 hours? A 20+ year old M80, or a newer model 737-800? Let's hope AA takes the clue, and upgauges the DFW-PDX-DFW route (currently AAs longest M80 route still operating) to their 737-800's like they are going to use on the newly announced ORD-PDX-ORD route.

Quoting enilria (Reply 21):
That's a bit of a strategic change for them. Can't remember the last time they added long domestic (non-Hawaii) markets from PDX.
Quoting SANFan (Reply 36):
Yeah, that's a bummer isn't it?! You know how I hate to see that happening...



Yeah, me too!  



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User currently offlineflyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Reply 42, posted (1 year 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

I don't find much difference between the equipment types, and to be quite honest, from a passenger perspective, I'd rather be on the 80 with it's five abreast seating, and wider aisle, then in a crammed 737-800.

User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 969 posts, RR: 2
Reply 43, posted (1 year 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 42):
I don't find much difference between the equipment types, and to be quite honest, from a passenger perspective, I'd rather be on the 80 with it's five abreast seating, and wider aisle, then in a crammed 737-800.

If I had a choice I would never choose a MD80 model but to each his own. Those noisy, tired AA Super80's are no spring chickens (mechanical delays). Good luck as well finding room for your carry-on bag in those 25yo overhead bins.


User currently offlinecjpmaestro From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 29):


I think CLT would be a great addition. A one daily flight of a 738 would seem good to me

Thoughts?


When US and AA get their schedules together and AS fliers will be able to expand their code shares onto US/AA flights in PHX, PHL and CLT - I think anything could happen, but I think we'd see CLT-SEA before PDX.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 45, posted (1 year 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

My ranking as far as comfort has always been the 88 ahead of the 737s (for Delta). Factoring in the front cabin, the 88 makes out like a bandit IMO. Extremely quiet, more personal space, etc. just my observations after dozens of flights on both types last year.


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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 46, posted (1 year 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 3949 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 41):
I 100% agree, PDX is a much more civilized place to connect on AS, vs SEA. PDX is a smaller facility, the gates are more in the same area here at PDX than at SEA. The stores and food options are better in PDX as well. Only down side is the AS boardroom here is not as nice as the one in SEA, IMO.
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 41):
I also think an increasing number of Portland based travellers are tired of having to connect in SEA for everything. Time was in the past that many carriers that flew to Portland did it as a tag from SEA or as a connection, same thing in SAN IIRC. As we have had more non-stop options as of late, there is a certain annoyance of having a SEA connection, it's irritating me for my next trip to Kona, so I believe AS is hopefully easing the bottlenecks during peak times in SEA by offering connections and O/D traffic via PDX.

You make SEA sound like a deplorable place to make connections. SEA is one of the easiest major airports to make connections, compared to ORD, DFW, MIA, SFO, LAX, IAH, etc.


User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (1 year 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Not much scope for growth with these two flights getting added. Fleet growth is pretty limited this year (+9 739ERs, -3 73Gs, -3 734s) so AS can't be growing capacity much more unless it decides to hold on to some of its leased frames.

http://www.alaskaair.com/content/about-us/newsroom/as-fleet.aspx


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 48, posted (1 year 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 41):
Only down side is the AS boardroom here is not as nice as the one in SEA, IMO.

It's being or was just finished being renovated.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 41):
I also think an increasing number of Portland based travellers are tired of having to connect in SEA for everything.

I'm a frequent Portland based traveler and if I have to connect somewhere, I'd rather it be in Seattle than anywhere else. The high frequency shuttle between PDX and SEA makes that short leg easy (free beer!). In fact a few times I've opted for a Seattle connection over a nonstop due to schedule.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

AS is adding a 3rd daily SEA-BOS for the summer season this year.

Swapping one of their SEA-ATL flights to PDX-ATL is hardly something worth panicking about, especially considering the amount of capacity DL offers on that route.

AS is still growing in SEA and will continue to grow in the future. Other airlines are also growing quite nicely in SEA.



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 969 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 47):
AS can't be growing capacity much more unless it decides to hold on to some of its leased frames.

Word is that the -700's are staying. Not sure about the -400's.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3299 posts, RR: 5
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Quoting cjpmaestro (Reply 44):
but I think we'd see CLT-SEA before PDX.
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 46):
You make SEA sound like a deplorable place to make connections. SEA is one of the easiest major airports to make connections, compared to ORD, DFW, MIA, SFO, LAX, IAH, etc



Last time I connected between AS/AS in SEA, we went into the satellite and had to take the train over where all the QX flights we going from on C IIRC. Anyway, I think even at their furthest apart, there is a much shorter distance one would have connecting here in Portland vs Seattle. Seattle and Portland were the only two airports I was comparing, therefore the list you posted were not used as any basis for my previous remark. If you factor those in, yes SEA is better than almost all of those, but PDX is better, IMO. Which is all I was really saying.

I do think AS sees that, and are connecting the dots via PDX, allowing more O/D seats in the SEA market, which is better than trying to route all your O/D travellers, and connection traffic in the same direction. The closeness of the two hubs make it easy for diversions should weather keep a AS/QX plane from landing in the other airport, and that does happen.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13612 posts, RR: 62
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3125 times:
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Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 50):
Word is that the -700's are staying

The -700s are going. That's why they're not getting the cabin refresh/IFE.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 52):
The -700s are going. That's why they're not getting the cabin refresh/IFE.

So As's smallest plane will be the 738? Seems a bit large.


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

Quoting cjpmaestro (Reply 44):

Most certainly I fully expect to see SEA first from CLT. Maybe like AM departure from SEA and an afternoon arrival in CLT then a late afternoon departure back, something like that


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13612 posts, RR: 62
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2789 times:
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Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 53):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 52):The -700s are going. That's why they're not getting the cabin refresh/IFE.
So As's smallest plane will be the 738? Seems a bit large.

It has far better seat-mile economics than the 73G does and from what I understand it can be profitably flown in every existing AS market the 734 and 73G fleet flies.



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