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Etihad To Lease 747-8F Freighter  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25719 posts, RR: 50
Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7835 times:

As Etihad pursues it cargo growth ambitions it has announced it will lease a 747-8F freighter in full Etihad livery from Atlas Air effective this month.

The 747-8F lease will complement existing 747-400F from Atlas Air. With the 747-8F Etihad's all cargo will compromise 9 widebodies.

Story:
Boeing 747-8 Freighter To Join Etihad Airways Fleet
http://www.abudhabicityguide.com/new...newsid=12199&newstype=Local%20News

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31096 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7799 times:
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Interesting.

EK SkyCargo just cancelled their last five 747-8Fs (which they would have leased via DAE after originally selling them the 10 they had ordered directly from Boeing), so looks like EK will standardize on the 777 Freighter.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12065 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7765 times:

Atlas Air will take delivery of its last 748 freighter on order this month, perhaps this one will join the Etihad fleet.


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7708 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
EK SkyCargo just cancelled their last five 747-8Fs

didn't know this, nothing online either. How many EK liveried freighters are Atlas operating for Emirates?

[Edited 2013-05-02 14:50:39]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31096 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7427 times:
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Quoting 777way (Reply 3):
How many EK liveried freighters are Atlas operating for Emirates?

Per Wikipedia, EK operates four 747-400Fs leased from Atlas and TNT.

[Edited 2013-05-02 15:23:39]

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7399 times:

Ok, database shows all four in EK colours.

[Edited 2013-05-02 16:07:07]

User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6872 times:

Etihad Crystal has such a young fleet what with A330-200Fs, 777-200Fs and now these.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
in full Etihad livery

This will certainly be something to behold.   



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12065 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6649 times:

First Saudia Cargo and now Etihad, 2 beautiful liveries  


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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1635 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
First Saudia Cargo and now Etihad, 2 beautiful liveries

   Let's hope QR will follow soon! And maybe KL one day?   



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12065 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6576 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 8):
And maybe KL one day?

A recent interview with the CEO of KL (see luchtvaartnieuws.nl) sounds not promising.

Quote:
En wat de Boeing 747-8 betreft: die kan in zijn economics niet op tegen de Boeing 777. De Triple is gewoon het beste toestel in dat marktsegment.

Translated for other people:

Quote:
As for the Boeing 747-8 concerned, it can not beat the economics of the Boeing 777. The Triple is just the best airframe in that market segment.


[Edited 2013-05-03 00:59:12]


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):

That refers to the 748I, not the F.
Btw, I think that this man is no true expert, since when is the "Triple" in the segment of the 748? Thats exactly as true as the 787 being in the same segment as the "Triple".


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12065 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6458 times:

Quoting na (Reply 10):
That refers to the 748I, not the F.

Correct, KL doesn't need a freighter. The 748i is the only theoretical candidate for the KL fleet.

Quoting na (Reply 10):
Btw, I think that this man is no true expert, since when is the "Triple" in the segment of the 748? Thats exactly as true as the 787 being in the same segment as the "Triple".

What he meant to say is: the 777 can do almost all of the 747 missions with lower costs.



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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1635 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6285 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
A recent interview with the CEO of KL (see luchtvaartnieuws.nl) sounds not promising.

Yes, I've read that interview. The 747-8i and A380 were basically ruled out.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
KL doesn't need a freighter

They do operate 4 744ERFs though. Which are quite new and don't replacing, that is correct. But how about MP? they operate a 744BCF and 6 MD11F's. Some people expect AF/KL will just let that division slowly go extinct, but is the cargo market so bad they will go from 11 freighters to zero? Of course, 77W's, 787s and A350s will take a lot of belly cargo, but I'm still not convinced KL won't need any new freighters in the future.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12065 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 12):
But how about MP?

I think the MP brand will eventually disappear.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 12):
but is the cargo market so bad they will go from 11 freighters to zero?

Well, the same CEO stated he can see a KL future without freighters. I take that as a hint. There is no suitable replacement for the 747 Combi anyway.

[Edited 2013-05-03 03:54:49]


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6192 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 12):
But how about MP? they operate a 744BCF and 6 MD11F's.

MD-11s are being phased out, I think two or so have left over the past months. One leased-out 744BCF has been returned by Air Cargo Germany.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 12):
Yes, I've read that interview. The 747-8i and A380 were basically ruled out.

Sadly too big for KLM, especially after entering the AF partnership.


User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 12):
Some people expect AF/KL will just let that division slowly go extinct, but is the cargo market so bad they will go from 11 freighters to zero?

In that same interview Hartman came up with the answer: a relatively small core of freighters, augmented with wetleased capacity when needed. IMHO this will result in a small 744F fleet, perhaps a few more specimen than KL has now, with the MD11F's gone as they approach the end of their service life. The ERF's should have at least another 10+ years left, so if AFKL ever decides to order a replacement, it problably won't be in this decade.


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