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NZ LAX-FRA?  
User currently offlinebrucek From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

Am I correct that NZ used to fly AKL-LAX-FRA? Was this flight cancelled due to low yields, and the potential code-share with LH on the LAX-FRA leg? And could the flight pick up pax at LAX for FRA (and FRA for LAX)?

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6815 times:

Quoting brucek (Thread starter):
Am I correct that NZ used to fly AKL-LAX-FRA?
Quoting brucek (Thread starter):
And could the flight pick up pax at LAX for FRA (and FRA for LAX)?

Yes to both. I'm not certain but I think NZ dropped FRA before the Star Alliance was created. It was only once or twice a week if memory correct.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20533 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6806 times:

When Did Air NZ Start Flying LAX-FRA? (by Travelin man Jan 5 2001 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2183 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Here's another thread that might be helpful:

Did Air New Zealand Ever Fly To Frankfurt? (by United Airline Jun 19 2002 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently onlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1720 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

Two pictures of that service.


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User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6648 times:

There are pictures in the database from 2001, so I'm guessing the route ended after 9/11.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25133 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6606 times:

Air NZ commenced the route in Oct 1987, and dropped it in March 2001 when its expanded codeshare with LH kicked in.

The company said following at the time;

The changes to the schedule fit with our plan to create a more efficient network offering more choice to customers and putting more of our own capacity on core sectors, such as Japan and the United States. We are concentrating on geographic regions where we have marked strengths, rather than spreading our operations across the globe, " said General Manager, Air New Zealand International Airline, Grant Lilly.

The Air New Zealand service between Los Angeles and Frankfurt will stop operating at the end of March. Mr Lilly said the exit from its two services a week between Los Angeles and Frankfurt was a logical progression towards a stronger codeshare arrangement with Star Alliance members including the home carrier for the German market, Lufthansa.

"In partnership with Lufthansa we will be able to offer customers much greater frequency of services between Europe and the South Pacific and greater choice of routing and stopovers. It makes good operational and economic sense for us to work with our Star Alliance partners like Lufthansa to service Europe while maintaining our direct flights to London, " Mr Lilly said.


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User currently offlineHBIHLtoEZE From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

A shot from 2000 from my archive:


113ay - Air New Zealand Boeing 747-400; ZK-SUJ@FRA;20.10.2000 by Aero Icarus, on Flickr

At that time NZ, QF - and, as proof in the backgorund - GA served FRA, all with the 747-400...now with QF also gone there is indeed a whole region underrepresented - but then again, no wonder, with the dozens of flights EK, EY, QR and also WY offer in the same direction...

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[Edited 2013-05-03 08:20:54]


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User currently offlineairzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

Quoting brucek (Thread starter):

I believe the actual routing was FRA-LAX-NAN-AKL. NZ 5/6 if I recall correctly and I think it only ran twice a week.

NZ at LAX was quite interesting at that time. You had NZ flights to AKL (2), SYD, NAN, and usually one of the following depending on the day, HNL, RAR, PPT, and I think Apia.


User currently offlinebrucek From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

Thanks for the great replies.

User currently onlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1720 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Per Air New Zealand history document, when they started to serve FRA, the flight followed this route: AKL-HNL-LAX-FRA. On the return journey the flight continued to SYD.

In 1991, a second weekly flight is added, then a third in 1993.

As a side note, Air NZ opened its first European representation at FRA in 1968.



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User currently offlinebeechtobus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

Quoting airzim (Reply 8):

Quoting brucek (Thread starter):"NZ at LAX was quite interesting at that time. You had NZ flights to AKL (2), SYD, NAN, and usually one of the following depending on the day, HNL, RAR, PPT, and I think Apia."

Don't forget LHR. As a youngster I always thought LAX-LHR was an oddball route for NZ. I didn't figure out till somewhat recently that its pretty much the most direct way from NZ to London as the great distance required a stop and 5th freedom rights happened to be allowed.


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Did NZ also route their DFW flight to Europe as well?


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User currently onlinenotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 935 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 12):

Yes, AKL-PPT-DFW-LGW once weekly 747-200. I used to go to DFW to see them and take photos at the time. It was in the same time period that TG flew here also.


User currently offlinedeltacto From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 12):
Did NZ also route their DFW flight to Europe as well?
Quoting notdownnlocked (Reply 13):
Yes, AKL-PPT-DFW-LGW once weekly 747-200. I used to go to DFW to see them and take photos at the time. It was in the same time period that TG flew here also.

Correct - NZ operated AKL-PPT-DFW-LGW from October 1987 to March 1989
Interestengly there was no southbound service thru DFW from LGW to PPT/AKL

http://www.airnewzealand.com/assets/PDFs/history.pdf

"Inaugural Auckland-Dallas/Forth Worth service calls enroute at Papeete
and terminates in London. The return southbound service stops at Los
Angeles and Papeete southbound."

[Edited 2013-05-04 00:33:39]

[Edited 2013-05-04 00:34:21]

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9313 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

Having flown the route myself I can confirm that it was FRA-LAX-AKL and vv.

The flight did not continue to SYD, but after a shower in the arrivals lounge and a sightseeing excursion to dpowntown AKL, I continued that evening on a 762 IIRC to SYD

Can't say much about the frequency.



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