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787 Production/delivery Thread Part 14  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 43339 times:
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With part 13 now having over 230 replys, its time to start the next thread

Link to previous thread 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 13 (by iowaman Jan 14 2013 in Civil Aviation)

250 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7585 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 43291 times:

From United787 who compiled the list from All Things 787

Quote:
DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO 2013
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 3/28/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Rough Estimate - We won't really know until they are actually delivered...
L/N 83 - JA818A - x/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – x/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 89 – JA830J – x/xx/2013 – JL #8
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – x/xx/2013 - AI #8
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – x/xx/2013 – BY #1
L/N 76 - B-2722 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #2
L/N 81 - B-2723 – x/xx/2013 - HU #3
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – x/xx/2013 – LO #3

I'm expecting NH deliveries to commence within the middle of the month. They really wanna get back into the swing of things asap.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 43043 times:

A picture of LN76 in paint at FTW:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJV57gOCMAETFhp.jpg:large

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130503/2300Z/KFTW/KCHS



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 43022 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO 2013
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2

2013 DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 3/28/2013 - AI #6

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Rough Estimate
L/N 83 - JA818A - x/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – x/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #1
L/N 89 – JA830J – x/xx/2013 – JL #8
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – x/xx/2013 - AI #8
L/N 92 - G-TUIA – x/xx/2013 – BY #1
L/N 76 - B-2722 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2
L/N 34 – B-2725 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #2
L/N 81 - B-2723 – x/xx/2013 - HU #3
L/N 94 - G-TUIB – x/xx/2013 – BY #2
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – x/xx/2013 – LO #3
L/N 79 - B-2730 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – x/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – x/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2733 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 95 - B-2734 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 85 - B–2732 - x/xx/2013 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 96 - G-TUIC – x/xx/2013 – BY #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – xx/xx/2013 - ET #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 97 - JA819A - x/xx/2013 - NH #19 Awaiting first flight
L/N 98 – JA831J – x/xx/2013 - JL #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 99 - A7-BCD – x/xx/2013 - QR #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – x/xx/2013 - AI #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 100 - B-2735 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 101 - JA820A - x/xx/2013 - NH #20 Awaiting first flight
L/N 102 – LN-BKA - x/xx/2013 - DY #1 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 103 - A7-BCE – x/xx/2013 - QR #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 105 – JA832J – x/xx/2013 - JL #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 106 - G-TUID – x/xx/2013 – BY #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 107 - JA821A - x/xx/2013 - NH #21 Awaiting first flight
L/N 108 – G-ZBJA - x/xx/2013 - BA #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 110 - JA822A - x/xx/2013 - NH #22 Awaiting first flight
L/N 111 – G-ZBJB - x/xx/2013 - BA #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 112 – LN-BKB - x/xx/2013 - DY #2 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 21 – JA823J – x/xx/2013 - JL #11 Awaiting first flight


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 42826 times:

I could be wrong but this looks like a C1 flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20130503/1800Z/KPAE/KPAE

This one is JA818A for ANA.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1593 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 42778 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
I could be wrong but this looks like a C1 flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20130503/1800Z/KPAE/KPAE

This one is JA818A for ANA

This is way to short for a "normal" ANA C-1 unless they've changed their profile -- actually no customer profiles are that short. It's probably a cleanup B flight prior to C-1.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 42773 times:

Let's have a little more patience than  


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1593 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 42733 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 6):
Let's have a little more patience than

Maybe tomorrow. But on ANA's homefront things are moving right along:

As of May 2nd -- 10 airplanes under going modification/ 4 awaiting modification -- 3 airplanes flying have completed 16 of the ### of flights before service starts again.


User currently offlinenyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5763 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 42244 times:

LN 11, LN 12, and LN 14 are all destined for Transaero Airlines. They've been assigned var numbers ZA800, ZA801 and ZA803. Please see my tables.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 41048 times:

Seems like the rumors are true.


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 41009 times:

Quoting nyc777 (Reply 8):
LN 11, LN 12, and LN 14 are all destined for Transaero Airlines. They've been assigned var numbers ZA800, ZA801 and ZA803. Please see my tables.

Do you think there will be a fourth frame as has been previously suggested?

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 40948 times:

Quoting nyc777 (Reply 8):
Please see my tables.

And LN26 is now inside the EMC, we wont see this one for the next 6-8 months I guess.



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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 614 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 40895 times:

As if it there aren't enough daylight hours in a day... B-2725 (China Southern #1) is currently doing a PAE-SEA-PDX-MWH-PAE test flight in the middle of the night Pacific time.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE380

Only thing i can think of is that its daylight here in China so perhaps part of the CAAC certification?!?

Anyone else have better ideas?

Cheers
A

[Edited 2013-05-04 02:55:23]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 40885 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 12):
CAAC certification

I think you hit the nail here.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7585 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 40585 times:

Expect NH deliveries to commence sometime next week or the week after. I don't know why that C1 flight didn't happen but 818A should be the next one to NH. My friend told me that they're starting to finish up the mods (see the other thread, Mr. hkcanadaexpat hit it right on the nail with his information too) and once they start finishing test flights they'll begin to accept deliveries again.

Quoting nyc777 (Reply 8):
LN 11, LN 12, and LN 14 are all destined for Transaero Airlines. They've been assigned var numbers ZA800, ZA801 and ZA803. Please see my tables.

Man are they getting these at a discount? Last I hear Transaero loves their discounted airplanes.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 12):
Only thing i can think of is that its daylight here in China so perhaps part of the CAAC certification?!?

Are they like, Skyping the information right back to CAAC headquarters? Kinda odd, but hey looks like CAAC is finally getting things straight with the 788 



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 40570 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
Man are they getting these at a discount?

No, at list price  

Seriously, those terrible teens are not as bad as it sounds. They are already burning less fuel than the 767 so if you don't need the range, they will serve you well.



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 40498 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15):

Also, don't forget the benefit of CFRP, no corrosion in the skin like with metals, lower maintenance bills. If the LN20+ frames burn 21% less than the 767 the "terrible" teens might do a good 15% below the 767?

They get these frames for a very good price, probably so low they more than make up the overweight on them in fuel bills.


User currently offlinedavidho1985 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2012, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 40445 times:
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Anyone have news about CZ's 787???
I know that they are performing test-flight now and China Government has already approve the 787 operation in China (They refused to approve it which lead to the delay of delivery to CZ & HU prior to the global grounding).

Really looking forward to fly CZ's 787 (my 1st 787 flight) (and will try my best to be on their 1st flight if possible)


User currently offlinenyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5763 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 40295 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 10):
Do you think there will be a fourth frame as has been previously suggested?

They are buying 4 787s so yes there will be a fourth frame. If it's one of the terrible teens, I don't know.



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User currently offlinemorrisond From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 40169 times:

By the time they are delivered at least the Terrible teens will probably have Up to date engines with all the PIP's - so the fuel burn might not be that bad?

User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1593 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 40164 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 12):
As if it there aren't enough daylight hours in a day... B-2725 (China Southern #1) is currently doing a PAE-SEA-PDX-MWH-PAE test flight in the middle of the night Pacific time.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE380

Only thing i can think of is that its daylight here in China so perhaps part of the CAAC certification?!?

Anyone else have better ideas?

Cheers
A
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
I think you hit the nail here.

Most if not all regulatory flights deal with maneuvers that are done during daylight. I also don't remember ever having to do a flight based on the regulatory agency's time zone. If they're flying in the middle of the night it's probably because whatever test they're doing requires darkness. Interesting flight plan however, especially the low altitude work on the GEG-PAE leg.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 39635 times:

Quoting morrisond (Reply 19):
By the time they are delivered at least the Terrible teens will probably have Up to date engines with all the PIP's - so the fuel burn might not be that bad?

Correct, but they are still 4 to 6 tonnes overweight which is a lot of dead weight to carry.



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3392 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 39556 times:

When is Transaero supposed to take delivery of these aircrafts?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 39551 times:

I believe deliveries are slated for the second half of next year.


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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 614 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 39400 times:

The Gulf Times seems convinced that Qatar is getting the 789 next year while the latest Boeing order/delivery list still shows only 30 788 for Qatar (13 of which have already been sequenced). Either they're full of themselves, either we'll see a conversion or either we'll see a new order. something's got to give!
A

http://www.gulf-times.com/opinion/18...lines-as-dreamliner-flights-resume


25 Post contains links tortugamon : Late last year Flight Global ran an article about AAB wanting the 787-10X where he stated he could change between any variant. The article actually s
26 KarelXWB : Please let's not turn the production thread into a order/delivery thread.
27 United787 : It is a production/delivery thread.
28 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Speaking of production, looks like ANA ZA512 (83) could be off on a C-1 shortly. Watch for the telltale 360 turn over ONP. http://flightaware.com/live
29 Post contains links KarelXWB : The third 787 for BA (LN114) is outside the factory: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8718401919/in/photostream
30 Post contains links CATDADDY63 : "On Tuesday, India’s Directorate General of Civil Aviation gave the go-ahead to the planes after a joint meeting of officials from Air India and Dre
31 7BOEING7 : First it needs a customer flight unless they're waiving that requirement.
32 nyc777 : Thomson Airways says they plan on taking their first 787 before May 31st. Should be in Manchester, UK by that date.
33 Post contains links KarelXWB : The first tail plane section of ZB001 (the first 787-9) recently arrived in Everett. http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/332178034683682816[Edited 2
34 Post contains links nyc777 : Some pics of the first 787-9 HTP: http://www.boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2013/05/smooth_1.html
35 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Which frame was the first to receive a MTOW boost? (I used to know, IIRC #21 was the first increased MTOW but... &nbsp so those early frames not
36 dynamicsguy : Boeing has rolled out the first 787 built at the 7/month rate. Sorry, no link as this was from the Boeing internal news site. This was LN 114, and was
37 nyc777 : Do you know the date it rolled out?
38 Post contains links KarelXWB : May 7 ? http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8718402205/in/photostream[Edited 2013-05-09 07:03:52]
39 nyc777 : Usually Boeig rolls out completed airframes one day before loading a new one in position 1. Boeing loaded LN 122 on May 7th and needed to have moved
40 hkcanadaexpat : Air India just confirmed its latest planned 788 delivery schedule: > Already Delivered: 6 > Rest of 2013: 7 > 2014: 5 > 2015: 6 > 2016:
41 Post contains links KarelXWB : Are you sure about VT-ANB and VT-ANC? Those two went just inside and early frames spend about 8 months in there. May 6th sounds plausible than. Here i
42 nyc777 : They won't have to be in there for 8 months as they won't need to have as much re-work as the earlier frames. Also Boeing has probably gotten more ef
43 Post contains links nyc777 : ZA184 for JAL has filed for it's B-2 flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE184
44 KarelXWB : There was a block change after LN19 if I remember it correctly. However, LN21 spent about 8 months inside the EMC and LN20 is still inside there since
45 7BOEING7 : Actually this is probably a C-1 -- watch for the telltale 360 over ONP.
46 nyc777 : Don't know the date but within the last 2-3 weeks.
47 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The press release contains an interesting picture of the assembly line in CHS (is there a high-res version available?): Besides the U turn, we can se
48 nyc777 : Engines are attached in position 2 not position 4.[Edited 2013-05-09 09:51:37]
49 Captain.MD-11 : Any ideas as to when DY will take delivery of their first 787 and whether they will utilise it on the JFK or BKK run? I'm booked ARN-BKK in the last c
50 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Yeah the above picture showed something else, most pictures you Google are from the pre-LN66 era. Here is a better picture: One can see the ILFC bird
51 KarelXWB : Alright, we'll have to wait and see than. Note that Air India's FY 2013 runs from 1 April 2013 to 31 March 2014.
52 Post contains links nyc777 : Another B-2 flight that should be going up soon: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE317
53 Post contains images lightsaber : Far better than I expected. Ahh... Thank you. Lightsaber
54 KELPkid : That isn't what happened today. They flew to MWH, full stop on the ground, and then flew back to PAE. Seems strange...
55 hkcanadaexpat : Karel - these are calendar year figures not fiscal year figures. You've made your point that you don't believe them. I'm not vouching one way or the
56 7BOEING7 : Okay, no 360 at ONP -- I guess ANA is the only one left doing that. But, other than that, the profile looked like what you'd expect for a JAL C-1, so
57 Post contains images kanban : It's been beautiful weather here in Puget Sound, I'd expect every fixed plane to be in the air.. but maybe they need some dampness.
58 Post contains links KarelXWB : I'm not saying you are incorrect and this has also nothing to do with the rework time, but many interviews with Air India spokesmen are about fiscal
59 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Some more pictures. 1) BA second 787 in paint, parked at the EMC. 2) Extensive work on one of the RAM birds. 3) LN43 still wearing a temporary Boeing
60 hkcanadaexpat : More information coming in on Air India delivery schedule and route plans: > 7th aircraft (ANN) to be delivered "end of May or in the first week of
61 hkcanadaexpat : In yesterday's Asia Wall Street Journal: China Southern Airlines hopes to take delivery of its first Boeing 787-8 in late May-2013, according to CFO X
62 na : The -9 will surely be the best-looking member of the 787-family. Really beautiful plane, and the best looking twinjet ever. The -8 is a bit stubby, t
63 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : LN100 is now rolled out to the CHS flightline. Source http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/332878012993372160[Edited 2013-05-10 08:38:56]
64 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZA513 B1 flight pops up (ANA JA819A): http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20130510/2130Z/KPAE/KMWH
65 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : LOT ZA272 (86) scheduled for a C-1 (?) later today. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE272
66 7BOEING7 : Every fixed airplane has been flying. Since things started up again we've had the following flights (my best guess) completed or scheduled as of toda
67 tortugamon : I believe engine installation now occurring at position 2 is a byproduct of the new 7/month rate change. Prior to the change, engines were installed
68 KarelXWB : 2 lines should be enough to support a production rate of 10 frames per month. 7 per month in Everett and 3 per month in Charleston. If the 777 line ca
69 Post contains images lightsaber : This is exciting news! When I look over at all things 787, it looks like assembly has been completed on 112 of the 787s (not including ZY997 and ZY99
70 tortugamon : I agree with your points. Theoretically a 787 should come together quicker than a 777 and a 3 per month rate in Charleston has to have more potential
71 Post contains images KarelXWB : I expect the production rate to go up to 12 frames per month but not more. Don't forget, once the backlog is down to 2 - 3 years (which is a healthy
72 tortugamon : If they top out at 12 they won't reach the 2-3 year backlog until early 2017 and that is assuming zero additional sales and no launch of the -10. Als
73 nyc777 : Look for Boeing to announce in 2014 that the rate will go to 14 by around 2017.[Edited 2013-05-10 17:41:03]
74 Post contains links dynamicsguy : Per this article, it was previously position 3. Position 4 was originally meant as a spare position, with all assembly complete by position 3. They'v
75 lightsaber : Interesting. It will depend on the 78J fuse fitting in the Dreamlifter or not... but if the 777X might or might not be made on the surge line. If you
76 Post contains links tortugamon : I did not mean to convey my notes as gospel. Just good old fashioned speculation at this point but here you go. Dominic Gates has indicated the follo
77 JoeCanuck : It makes too much sense for the -10 to be built in SC, and jives with the expansion there. The 777x will use so much of the tooling of the 777, that i
78 sweair : There was talk about Charleston doing 7 a month in the future, with the expansion I see a great chance of the next new WB project being done in Charle
79 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : I asked moonm if he also has a picture of VT-ANA and yes he has Here is VT-ANA:
80 JoeCanuck : That there is 17,000lbs hanging from the tip of each engine pylon kind of blows me away. That's two of my big arsed Dodge pickups...damn.
81 Post contains images kanban : I'm sure that Boeing being a small company with nominally competent management, they did not consider the transport requirements of the derivatives w
82 nyc777 : They can stretch the aft and nose sections of the 787 to achieve the needed 787-10 stretch and can still transport them to Everett with out a problem
83 Post contains links tortugamon : Now that is a different level of speculation all together. Interesting. In 2009 Boeing said they would invest a $750 Million and hire 3,800 in seven
84 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : JAL ZA184 (89) up on a C-2 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE184
85 kanban : Having spent years there and participating in endless scoping meetings (not this program though), they look at the entire program thoroughly with all
86 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN81 is in paint and on its way to CHS again. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20130511/2000Z/KFTW/KCHS Painting took only a week.
87 Post contains images tortugamon : When stretching an aircraft for a second time, I would think that the easiest solution would be to (option #1) stretch the same pieces that were stret
88 Post contains links nyc777 : This airframe has been at Boeing Field for the last week and on Friday it flew from there to Paine and back to BFI as BOE787. I strongly believe Boei
89 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : This article seems to indicate it will be a QTR 787 which makes more sense if AIN's 787 is scheduled to be in service before the airshow. http://www.
90 nyc777 : Things may have changed since that article. Neither of the two '87s that are ready for QR have flown and I would have thought that if they were to fl
91 7BOEING7 : You mean ZA242 -- just for bookkeeping purposes. But to throw a couple of comments out there, QTR ZA465 (99) is on the flight line and depending wher
92 hkcanadaexpat : If that becomes the case, shouldn't affect delivery schedule as VT-ANM in Charleston is defacto ready so AI could take that one in May and take VT-AN
93 tortugamon : I strongly hope not. It seems like Farn 2012 was great publicity to QR. If I had to choose, AI would not be my number one choice of customer to publi
94 KarelXWB : Yes but his airplane got damaged during the show and the cabin needed refurbishment afterwards.
95 lightsaber : I hadn't considered the idea the 'full stretch' would be in one component, but that is the lowest cost approach... So you have a plausible theory. IM
96 Post contains links lightsaber : When can we expect a *delivery* of a production 787 post fix? Per: http://nyc787.blogspot.com I see that LN83/ZA512 for ANA and LN89/ZA184 are ready f
97 JoeCanuck : I should have added, ' 2 fully loaded pickups'. It's the same weight of 3 of my empty pickups. At some point, Boeing will consolidate production of a
98 kanban : Why would Boeing need separate FALs when the component pieces all come from the same suppliers who will be grinding out a mix of models in existing p
99 tortugamon : I had not heard that. I knew there was a fuel truck issue but I thought that did not cause damage. I thought the seats were being changed because Rec
100 kanban : you know sometimes we just have to wait for Boeing to announce what the design will actually be.. they are probably months away from final design fre
101 JoeCanuck : Any wing span increase is merely speculation on my part...I only base it on suspecting that Boeing may be going for an increase in MTOW compared to t
102 Post contains links and images NAV20 : Came across this story, which contains a bit of a surprise. I've been assuming that Boeing had built about 30 787s during the three-month grounding pe
103 starrion : To be fair, that 64 does include all the frames that were in storage/modification and hadn't yet flown before the AD was called. Just between Air Ind
104 Post contains links and images tortugamon : I tend to agree. I think it was Boeing's (and their customers') lack of transparency and confidence in the ramp up that has prevented the product lau
105 hkcanadaexpat : Actually, Boeing's words are "More than 60". My spreadsheet currently shows 72 deliveries for 2013 split as follows: > Air India 8 (1 already) >
106 KarelXWB : I don't know the details anymore but it was discussed in one of the earlier 787 production threads, the cabin needed refurbishment after the airshow
107 tortugamon : Interesting. So it looks like you believe three AI and one JAL aircraft that are currently in the EMC will be delivered this year? Also, LN 140 would
108 NAV20 : In the current situation they'll probably be bracing themselves for a raft of penalty payments for late delivery. My guess is that Boeing management
109 cmf : How do you get to 30 over three months when the production rate just hit 7 per month?
110 hkcanadaexpat : Air India's on record (for what that's worth) as getting those three frames pre-Dec (see reply 60) and JAL's frame has been in there the longest so s
111 tortugamon : I see where the disconnect is between our numbers, it looks like your assumptions going forward are not yet based upon 2 frames/month. Fair enough, '
112 KarelXWB : Going to 10 frames per month in December means that the first deliveries will follow in January, not in the same month. They do.
113 7BOEING7 : So maybe they won't use a new one, but one that has been in service And after delivery it takes anywhere from about a year to 3 or 4 years depending o
114 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : ANA ZA513 (97) finally made it airborne on its B-1 after trying for 4 days: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE513
115 tortugamon : Right. Theoretically they could be delivering aircraft in January that were produced at November run rates and certainly lower than the 10/month rate
116 7BOEING7 : If production is now 7/month and the next jump is to 10/month, if CHS is at 1.5 now they may go straight to 3.0. It all depends on whether from a lin
117 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Wings for the first 787-9 have arrived in Everett: Pictures by moonm.
118 hkcanadaexpat : There's also the first picture of the first Aeromexico 787 @ outside the 40-51 in moon's pictures. It just rolled out yesterday from the FAL. Next up.
119 dynamicsguy : No Dreamlifters available?[Edited 2013-05-14 03:23:51]
120 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : VT-ANM (Air India #7) just filed its B4 flight (first flight post battery fix) for today out of Charleston. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE241
121 NYC777 : I would expect that these two already have the full fix by now.
122 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : TUI ZA317 (92) scheduled on a C-1 today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE317
123 tortugamon : Good question. I believe there is a Dreamlifter sitting idle at MIA. Wonder why they to bring in the Antonov. tortugamon
124 KarelXWB : It is common to use other transport vehicles while you're building prototypes. This should minimizes risks.
125 KarelXWB : LN83 has been delivered.
126 NYC777 : Boeign still used the Dreamlifters for the all 787-8 delivereis when they were just building those planes in 2007 so I don't think that's it. It migh
127 NYC777 : Just confirmed that Boeing will load the 1st 787-9 into position 1 on May 30th.[Edited 2013-05-14 13:28:21]
128 Post contains images KELPkid : Are the wing dimensions on the 789 different from the 788? It could be as simple as Boeing has not built the appropriate fixtures for securing 789 wi
129 NYC777 : I beleive the wings are the same for the -9 as they are for the -8.
130 Stitch : While the original plan was for a 3m wider span, Boeing is using the same wing for the 787-9 that they are for the 787-8 (and I assume they will use
131 JoeCanuck : I'll bet you a diet Mountain Dew that Boeing uses the 63m wing on the -10.
132 Post contains images KarelXWB : We need some argumentation, dear Joe
133 kanban : the odd thing about the wings is they were shipped flat on non standard shipping fixtures, regular shipments are on silver bucks and on edge. (well at
134 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : For those who are wondering, this is the normal procedure: Pictures found on moonm's Flickr account. I guess so, the fat Antonov is wide enough but l
135 JoeCanuck : Nothing more exciting than high stakes gambling based on wild guesswork. That still looks like a Rube Goldberg setup to me, but it does seem to work.
136 kanban : nice. I spent 1/2 an hour searching for similar shots. Thank you.
137 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : First Norwegian 787 to be delivered June 27 or 28. Second one at the end of July. One month of flight training on routes from Scandinavia to London/Ma
138 PHX787 : Who to? And when was it flown out? is this the first to be delivered post- fix?
139 KarelXWB : ANA LN83 is JA818A (meaning ANA has now half of their 787-8 order). Not yet. It is.
140 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : TUI ZA318 (94) scheduled for a C-1 and TUI ZA317 (92) scheduled for a C-2: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE318 http://flightaware.com/live/fligh
141 Post contains links United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft
142 Post contains images lightsaber : I'm happy to see the seal has been broken. Now will it start with a trickle, or a deluge? Well, that's better than zero... Unfortunately, soon I woul
143 tortugamon : Looks like AM's first 787 has rolled out as well. I have not seen any pictures yet though.
144 tortugamon : My guess is that it will be slow and steady for the next week or two and when all of the battery fix crews return to Everett things will really pick
145 Post contains images 7BOEING7 : End of quarter/half always has lots of pressure but I'm guessing at this point there'll be lots of pressure all the time until they're caught up. I d
146 Post contains links tortugamon : Scott Hamilton is now predicting 14/month as well: Quote: But Boeing needs to go beyond 10/mo to 14 to accommodate the 787-10 and demand for the curr
147 Post contains images PHX787 : Karel I'm going to send you a PM with my email. When it flies out send me an email. This is excellent news and I'm certain that NH is satisfied with
148 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : JA-818A is in the sky as we speak. Will land in HND @ 7:15pm local time. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA9397 JA-818A is domestic config. As wi
149 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Go catch it! For the spotters, one can recognize the international ANA 787's as follows: watch for the 2 sealed off windows below the tiles. Internat
150 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : The most bullish i've heard so far on the Chinese 787s. It's almost time to start getting excited. ...Several Boeing 787 Dreamliners will arrive at Ch
151 PHX787 : Karel: thanks for the email and I got it! Albeit the photos are not good quality. When i get home I'll post them here after I edit them a bit. 818A la
152 NYC777 : Boeing to deliver 787s to Hainan and China Southern in the next 2 weeks. It's possible but we still have o wait for certification by CAAC.
153 hkcanadaexpat : Agreed. That being said, China Daily is the state-run newspaper here so i doubt they would allow such a story to run if there weren't some truth to i
154 Post contains links and images PHX787 : Karel and A, again thanks for the info! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=470415303035031&set=a.197718090304755.49200.119493661460532&ty
155 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN98 B1 flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130516/2014Z/KPAE/KMWH
156 7BOEING7 : JAL ZA185 (so you don't have to look it up)
157 tortugamon : I have a hard time understanding how airlines can fly a 787 into China (Dec '12 routes below) yet they do not have the certification. That has to be
158 NYC777 : Each country's aviation authorities cover's aircraft operated by that countries airlines. China cannot certify the 787 for use by United just like th
159 NYC777 : LOT Polish 3rd 787 was delivered today. It's supposed to leave later today for Warsw. This is the aircraft that undertook the battery mod certificatio
160 Post contains images KELPkid : Do you think the TU-54, IL-86, or any of various other Soviet types that Aeroflot uset to fly into the west could have had any hope of passing wester
161 tortugamon : Absolutely get it guys. I get the certification process and that the US can only certify for its country's aircraft. What do not understand is that h
162 Post contains images DeltaB717 : Nice one! Thanks mate
163 Post contains links mke717spotter : Good to hear. On a related note, has anyone heard anything about LO leasing a 772? There's currently one enroute YYZ-WAW and while I had heard about
164 7BOEING7 : It's EuroAtlantic (MAE) out of Portugal, CS-TFM which was originally SIA WB231 (9V-SRA) delivered in June '98. Imagine it's an MAE crew too.
165 Post contains links konrad : Indeed, SP-LRC which was used as the testbed for new batteries is now enroute KPEA EPWA http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LOT9787
166 hkcanadaexpat : Still no CAAC certification confirmation but more bullish words coming out of China: "China Southern Airlines deputy GM Zhang Zifang, speaking on the
167 JoeCanuck : You can bet no airline would be making big, public announcements without clearing things with Dear Leader.
168 Post contains images NYC777 : I think that's North Korea and he's dead!
169 BlueSky1976 : SP-LRC is now at WAW. Welcome home.
170 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA317 doing it's fourth test flight. I don't think it's a customer test flight though. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE317
171 7BOEING7 : Why not? B-1 4/30 B-2 5/09 C-1 5/14 C-2 5/17
172 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Interesting, ANA ZA513 (97) out for a B-2 with a profile that looks more like a B-1 or a C-1 with a profile that doesn't bear any resemblance to what
173 tortugamon : Quick question: have you guys ever seen a non-US based aircraft fly from BFI or PAE after delivery directly to a US city where it would pick up passen
174 ER757 : I might be wrong but I think ET did it with their first 787 - IAD/ADD
175 Post contains links rotating14 : It was ET but with a 772-LR Nov. 19, 2010. SEA-IAD-ADD Ethiopian Airlines' First 772LR Spotted (by ETStar Oct 9 2010 in Civil Aviation)#menu52
176 Post contains links tortugamon : Ok, it looks like ET does do it. Thanks for the feedback. Looks like they did it with the 77L and 787: http://www.tadias.com/08/07/2012/eth...er-flig
177 7BOEING7 : QAN used to do it all the time, PAE-BFI-HNL-SYD -- special flight with tickets sold 747.
178 Polot : Its probably not worth it most of the time. You can't really use the aircraft on an existing flight or you will screw up aircraft positioning, so you
179 NYC777 : ZA317 finished its 5th test flight this evening, this was the C-1 flight and the aircraft should be ready for delivery to Thomson Airways.
180 tortugamon : No paying customers to HNL or did they actually pick up passengers at BFI? Its a good idea, it wasn't until I started writing all of the drawbacks th
181 7BOEING7 : You mean C-3, right? The C-1 was on the 14th. The first flight today was a C-2, the second was a C-3. You have to look at the profiles -- the first f
182 7BOEING7 : No, the paying passengers wanted to go to SYD. HNL was a fuel stop. The flights (SEA-SYD) were special one time offers advertised in the Seattle pape
183 KarelXWB : There is a nice picture of the landing on the planespotters website.
184 tortugamon : Great idea, thanks for the info. tortugamon
185 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like ZA317 TIU will make it's fourth customer flight to correct an issue they're seeing in cruise and ZA513 ANA will try again to get its engine
186 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : LN92 / ZA317 takeoff from PAE: Picture taken by David Parker Brown from AirlineReporter.
187 ER757 : That's a great photo - looks almost like a painting
188 PHX787 : I heard someone tell me 819A should be in Japan by the end of the month, but the aforementioned NH Wings Pilot I often source says it should be in by
189 hkcanadaexpat : I haven't heard anything at my end but looking at the sequence, it could be either or. There are at least two more flights to go: B2 and C1. They con
190 7BOEING7 : Not necessarily, if the are no more EWA flights, any B-1 issues could have been checked on the yesterday's flight and if nothing else came up it shou
191 7BOEING7 : Looks like ZA513 will do some more engineering work today.
192 GSTBA : Your are correct BA's 777's have arrived from boeing without the cabins being installed. BA's engineering teams are responsible for fitting the seats
193 KarelXWB : Somewhere next month but no specific dates were given.
194 Post contains links NYC777 : Looks like LN 85 will attempt its first flight today from Charleston: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE434
195 Post contains links NYC777 : Another B-1 flight scheduled for today, LN 99: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE465
196 lightsaber : Amazing photo. That is a classic. The photographer should be proud. Lightsaber
197 Tristarsteve : Are you shure? The first aircraft had a full cabin and galleys and seats fitted on the production line. I have a picture of the cabin with club seats
198 jumpjets : I seem to recall that when the 77Ws came on stream they went to CWL to have the F cabin/IFE fitted out but the J and Y[+] were done at Boeing. As the
199 Post contains links tortugamon : Looks like LOT is expecting LN 87 and 88 by August. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ve-787s-in-fleet-by-august-386063/ tortugamon
200 KarelXWB : The BA 787's should have their full cabin installed at PAE.
201 tortugamon : In another thread it was indicated that AC had changed their 787-8 order of 37 aircraft to 15 787-8 and 22 787-9. In addition Air Berlin has indicated
202 Stitch : I would expect Boeing is required by financial reporting requirements to update their order book when an airline converts an order from one model wit
203 NYC777 : Does anyone have the c/n and registration for the following 787s? ZA434 & ZA465 Thanks!
204 Post contains links tortugamon : I would think so too but I have reviewed their 10Q and 10K and I only see the order book listed in gross dollar terms for all models. I understand th
205 KarelXWB : The way I understand it it that Air Berlin currently is in talks with Boeing to convert some -8s to the larger -9. "Air Berlin is changing its Boeing
206 hkcanadaexpat : Same with Air Canada. AC may have made up its mind internally (and Boeing may have kept 789 slots open for AC) but no formal document has yet been si
207 hkcanadaexpat : Last I saw ZA 465 was A7-BCD and ZA 434 was B-2724. Also still no resolution on my screen on ZA 576/577 which Norwegian is still contemplating to reg
208 NYC777 : Thanks! China Southern crew is in Seattle now to conduct customer test flights and delivery. Delivery is scheduled for 5/30 to China Southern.
209 hkcanadaexpat : With all the recent action, time to reset: Next up... Deliveries: > JA-830J (Japan Airlines) #8 > VT-ANM (Air India) #7 (@ Charleston) > G-T
210 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : JAL ZA185 (98) scheduled for a B-2 and ANA ZA120 (101) scheduled for a B-1: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE185 http://flightaware.com/live/flig
211 7BOEING7 : I'd add G-TUIB (TUI Travel) #2 since it has also completed its customer flight. On the other hand I'd subtract B-2725 (China Southern) #1 which hasn'
212 Post contains links KarelXWB : Another B1 for LN85 / ZA434 at CHS: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE434 /edit ZA434 flew yesterday.[Edited 2013-05-21 08:47:38]
213 NYC777 : China Southern crew is in Seattle to conduct customer test flight(s). China Southern should be taking delivery by 5/30 according to my source.
214 OldTTAGuy : UA #7 should be N29907 according to FAA database
215 Post contains images lightsaber : That's good news. It feels like the dam is breaking and we're about to see a flood of deliveries. Lightsaber
216 dc1030cf : Just got a message from my friend in China. CAAC will grant ticket to the 787 on Monday 5-27 and CZ will accept their first Dream B-2725 on Tue 5-28.
217 tortugamon : It is truly like options then, no point in exercising early. Thanks guys. I have to imagine that Boeing will want to know before too long so supplier
218 Post contains images KarelXWB : The 787-9 flight deck has been powered up at Spirit's facility. [Edited 2013-05-22 11:29:03]
219 NYC777 : Shold be loading in pos. 1 in 4014 in about 8 days from now. This assembly is going to go far FAR faster than ZA001 in 2007-2009. I think it'll be ou
220 KarelXWB : Of course it will, ZA001 was an empty shell while the sections for ZB001 will arrive fully equipped in the FAL without partner traveling work. It's n
221 NYC777 : There's goingto be a lot of testing while they're putting it together (testing they wouldn't ordinarily do on a production 787-8). That way they don'
222 KarelXWB : Yeah the surge line really is a luxury tool at this point.
223 Stitch : It has been said on this forum that AA's commitments for the 787 needed to be turned into a firm order no later than 18 months before planned product
224 tortugamon : Thanks Stitch. That is less time than I would have expected. WSJ is announcing that the Chinese Certificate has been issued today. Title of the artic
225 Post contains links KarelXWB : It's now official: http://www.caac.gov.cn/A1/201305/t20130523_56010.html
226 NYC777 : It's in Chinese. I can't read Chinese.
227 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : I agree now. These look like an airshow practice flights -- BFI-MWH, hangout for a couple of hours, MWH-BFI. Yesterday and again today. So ZA242 AIN
228 KarelXWB : Let's copy/paste the text in Google Translate: [Edited 2013-05-23 11:02:24]
229 Post contains links and images NYC777 : ZA380 soon to be off on its C-1 customer flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE380 Do you re ally think we need to do that now that the news i
230 Post contains links dc1030cf : " It's now official: http://www.caac.gov.cn/A1/201305/t20130523_56010.html" Translation : On 23-May-2013 the Civil Aviation Administrations of China
231 Post contains images tortugamon : Too Bad. Terrible livery and interior. Does anyone have an opinion on why they chose the AI bird for the show? QR not ready and did not want to damag
232 NYC777 : Thanks!
233 DeltaB717 : Possibly, as you said, BA and QR declined and the AI frame would be ready for delivery by then, so will do the show and then deliver from Paris as it
234 7BOEING7 : Just like the QTR frame last year, I expect it will return to the Puget Sound area for some cleanup and a customer flight prior to delivery.
235 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like TUI ZA317 (92) isn't done yet, out on a C-5 (?) or a B-3 (?): http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE317 GUN ZA380 (34) just did the strange
236 Post contains images KELPkid : Problem child, picky customer, or just that they weren't expecting delivery until June 1st? IIRC, June 1st was the "official" delivery date that Thom
237 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Really? I remember it being the 30th/31st of May: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...87-to-arrive-at-end-of-May-385772/
238 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The forward fuselage section of ZB001 has been shipped to Boeing on 22-05-2013: (picture by Spirit AeroSystems)
239 KarelXWB : I'm not buying it. If QR really, really wants to be on the airshow they could have taken a 787 out of service. I think Mr. Baker don't wants to risk
240 Post contains links tortugamon : So why Air India? There had to be a couple good choices. It has to be good marketing for everyone involved. Farnborough was good for a couple million
241 Post contains links KarelXWB : Why not? Are you never going to drive a car again if someone else dies in a car crash? No, most people expect it will not happen to themselves. I bel
242 Post contains links and images tortugamon : I do not mean to be argumentative but those are just references to some 'damage' with no support. In my mind (and please disagree) it is far more lik
243 7BOEING7 : Based on two flights yesterday, I'd say problem child. The customer wasn't picky at all when it came to ZA318 so that's not an issue.
244 Post contains images KarelXWB : Well, there was an article on gulf-news.com quoting Mr. Baker "the cabin needed refurbishment due to damage".
245 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like GUN ZA380 (34) is out for a C-2 today after some issues (?) on the C-1 yesterday: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE380 and ANA ZA513 (
246 flightsimer : But does it say it happened during the show?
247 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Poster child for problem child: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE317
248 NYC777 : Just put up a new post concerning the 787-9 and it's production as well as production of the 787-8 in 40-26.
249 Post contains links United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft
250 Post contains links iowaman : Due to length, this thread will be now be archived. Part 15 is available here: 787 Production/delivery Thread Part 15 (by iowaman May 24 2013 in Civil
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