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Delta To Add LAX-PDX Plus Other Changes  
User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 20866 times:

Delta is making more changes at LA.

New:
LAX-PDX 4x daily (CR9) starts 9/3

Added
Daily frequency on LAX-CMH(738) and LAX-IND(320). 8/20
2 more daily frequencies on LAX-SEA (all CR9) 9/3
LAX-BOS extended to 9/2 (73H)
LAX-MSY getting a 3rd daily flight 9/3(all 319)
LAX-TPA going to a morning flight again. 8/20 and going to 738 from 320)


With all the changes it puts Delta at nearly 120 flights per day.

two things, all this is in the Delta timetable and I tried to post times twice and anet crashed on me. So its someone elses problem now.      



[Edited 2013-05-08 23:09:22]


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 20907 times:

More new service at PDX.   


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5592 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 20741 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
LAX-PDX 4x daily (CR9) starts 9/3

Added
2 more daily frequencies on LAX-SEA (all CR9) 9/3

Obviously retaliation at AS for their PDX-ATL announcement!  

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User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 20688 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
Obviously retaliation at AS for their PDX-ATL announcement!

Ha ha!


Way back when, they used to fly PDX - LAX with an MD-11! Among other planes.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5792 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 20656 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
LAX-PDX 4x daily (CR9) starts 9/3
Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
more daily frequencies on LAX-SEA (all CR9) 9/3

It just got serious! lol

Quoting cschleic (Reply 3):
Way back when, they used to fly PDX - LAX with an MD-11! Among other planes.

We flew them LAX-PDX-SEA in the last row of a 727-200. Would have liked the MD11, though.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 20654 times:

Nice!

Hopefully now DL will add the rumored PDX-CDG service.

I also hope DL will bring back the evening/late afternoon PDX-HNL service.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20608 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 5):

I'd like to see PDX-HNL back. (not holding my breath for CDG)

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):

I am starting to think maybe Delta is getting a little pissy.

While I thought LAX-PDX was only a matter of time....I really thought ORD, Texas and Denver would come first. The late add(after just adding BNA,GEG,ANC,BOS,SEA,SJC plus extra flights/capacity to SFO,LAS,PHX,OAK,SMF) makes me think this came due to PDX-ATL on AS. (i mean, why wait till 9/3 when all those new routes/adds are starting in June?)

but maybe not. hopefully more LAX growth keeps coming.

I think we all knew they would go daily on IND/CMH.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4):
It just got serious! lol

what will be interesting is if they continue the mainline flying of the route.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2182 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20577 times:

Quoting cschleic (Reply 3):
Way back when, they used to fly PDX - LAX with an MD-11! Among other planes.

I don't think they ever flew the MD-11s on the PDX-LAX route. Maybe when they first got the GE powered ones and had to do fuel stops, but I don't think they were regularly scheduled.

I do remember the 727s and 757s on the route though.

In any event, this is good news. The Alaska flights have been packed to the gills lately and a little more capacity is a good thing. The Skywest CR9s are nice planes.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20564 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 6):
I am starting to think maybe Delta is getting a little pissy.

I wouldn't make too much of it. We might not even be back to the full nonstop capacity we had when United ran 737s down to LAX.

The Portland economy is heating up. I haven't verified this elsewhere, but the news this morning said homes coming onto the market are selling 'within hours'. That's a huge uptick in our local economy from 4-5 years ago.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20523 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):

Oh like i said, I honestly think it was coming one way or another. I just think DFW/IAH/ORD would come first. (and really, SAT/AUS and maybe even OKC)

DEN/PDX seemed like some of the last few pieces of the puzzle. guess not.

Also, like i said, they had the big PR for all the new service not even a month ago. Now they are expanding into SEA/PDX-LAX and new AA markets.

(and i generally don't believe in airline pissing matches, but we just may be seeing one here)



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2182 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20460 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
The Portland economy is heating up. I haven't verified this elsewhere, but the news this morning said homes coming onto the market are selling 'within hours'. That's a huge uptick in our local economy from 4-5 years ago.

An increase in home sales doesn't necessarily mean the economy is picking up and adding jobs. A lot of the sales could be attributed to investors looking for a bargain.

The Oregon economy as a whole is certainly much healthier than 2007 and 2008 (that was a scary time at my company...along with most others), but it's still not doing all that great. I think the March unemployment number in Oregon was 8.3%. Nationally it is 7.6% and in WA it's 7.3%.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2907 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20445 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
Delta is making more changes at LA.

Yes, and I think their recent LAX expansion makes a lot more sense than that haphazard mess of the mid-2000s. They've gradually established a great regional base that appeals to local FFers (no Angeleno can routinely fly an airline that doesn't offer service to Vegas and the Bay Area) whilst providing feed for the longer haul stuff. Now, with that increased local loyalty and connecting feed, they should be much better positioned to pull off niche routes like LAX-GEG or jump back into uber-competitive markets like LAX-BOS.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
New:
LAX-PDX 4x daily (CR9) starts 9/3

After LAX-SEA, this was only a matter of time. However, I do wonder if 4 competing nonstop carriers (plus the WN one stops) on this route is viable. If 4 was too many for the DEN-PDX route, I wonder if something will have to give on LAX-PDX. AS won't be going anywhere, but it will be interesting to see if DL, UA, and VX can hold up. I believe UA was flying 757s on LAX-PDX just a few years ago..now CRJs. How times have changed.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
Daily frequency on LAX-CMH(738) and LAX-IND(320). 8/20

No resumption of BDL? Or PIT? Or STL? Or AUS? Or DFW? Or ORD? Or a daytime MIA flight? They are letting AA off pretty easily here. Last time they upped the RDU frequency and decided to give them some more competition on LAX-BNA.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
2 more daily frequencies on LAX-SEA (all CR9) 9/3

Wow. As I alluded to earlier with regards to LAX-PDX, I wonder if this has less to do with AS (as many people are quick to think) and more to do with UA, or VX. Maybe DL thinks it can run UA or VX right off the LAX-SEA/PDX routes?

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
LAX-BOS extended to 9/2 (73H)

Still just a summer seasonal route. For now. Sit back and let the other 4 duke it over the slower winter months  .

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
LAX-MSY getting a 3rd daily flight 9/3(all 319)

3x daily?!? This is, IMO, the biggest surprise. I realize that DL is quite strong historically in the MSY market, but its not like competitors UA and WN are all that weak there. I do wonder if DL is trying to target UA on some of its seemingly weakest LAX routes with these moves...

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
LAX-TPA going to a morning flight again. 8/20 and going to 738 from 320)

I hear DL has been trying to put the AVOD 738s on its longer routes, and I sure hope that's the case. I was stuck on the non-AVOD 738 when I took TPA-LAX. At least this means it's no longer a redeye, though.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
With all the changes it puts Delta at nearly 120 flights per day.

Nobody can accuse them of gate squatting anymore! If anything, it seems AA and DL have been putting their LAX gates to very good use, while UA...



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 20433 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 10):
I think the March unemployment number in Oregon was 8.3%.

No good news goes unpunished, I guess. Portland unemployment has averaged in the lower 7% range lately. You know, where the flight goes to.  

Now we return you back to your scheduled discussion about Delta's new routes!   



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4971 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 20254 times:
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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
They've gradually established a great regional base that appeals to local FFers (no Angeleno can routinely fly an airline that doesn't offer service to Vegas and the Bay Area)

Another not-often-mentioned attribute about Delta's LAX schedule is that they now consistently offer 2-class aircraft on all routes out of LAX now, even LAX-SAN (combo of CR7 and CR9s). OAK, SMF, PHX, SJC, etc., all use either CR7s and/or CR9s as well.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11966 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 20168 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
Daily frequency on LAX-CMH(738) and LAX-IND(320). 8/20

Looks like AA is keeping DL honest in the LAX-CMH and LAX-IND markets, like LAX-RDU.

Ah, competition ...


User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 19977 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
and maybe even OKC)

That would make three carriers on the route...as AA and UA are already established. DL tried it once...and lasted barely 6 months


User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 19846 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
2 more daily frequencies on LAX-SEA (all CR9) 9/3


Great because every time i look up these flights since it started its been around 90% full...Don't remember the MD-11 going to PDX but the last time i flew to PDX on DL it was on an L10-11 and now a CR9 oh well at least we have the route coming back.


User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19715 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 7):
I don't think they ever flew the MD-11s on the PDX-LAX route. Maybe when they first got the GE powered ones and had to do fuel stops, but I don't think they were regularly scheduled.

I do remember the 727s and 757s on the route though.

They did. It was an extension of one of the Asian flights back when they had a mini-Asia hub at PDX. So it represented one-stop service to LAX. Don't recall which city, though. Granted, PDX - LAX mostly was 727 or 757 service. The one flight/day that operated with an MD-11 had higher fares, due to "higher service level" despite being only a two-hour flight. They also flew L-1011's to SLC.

This article, while somewhat long, has some history and a photo representative of the time....three MD-11's, a 1011, and smaller planes.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/airlinerep...-in-portland-%E2%80%93-guest-blog/


User currently offlineORD14R From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19497 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):

Daily frequency on LAX-CMH(738) and LAX-IND(320). 8/20

In my opinion no way IND can support 2 daily flights to LAX, especially after Labor Day. Who will blink first?


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4136 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 19345 times:

Quoting ORD14R (Reply 18):
In my opinion no way IND can support 2 daily flights to LAX, especially after Labor Day. Who will blink first?

You would likely have to see DL drop IND-SLC to do this. SLC offers IND a myriad of other west coast destinations.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 19139 times:

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 15):

Hmm good call.


Oh crap, you do know that ~80 of the new flights they have added over the last 4 years also failed with the ERJ expansion?
But hey thanks. It never fails that someone has to bring up the ERJ expansion. Clearly not the same but thanks for getting it out of the way  



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User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 19003 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 20):
Oh crap, you do know that ~80 of the new flights they have added over the last 4 years also failed with the ERJ expansion?
But hey thanks. It never fails that someone has to bring up the ERJ expansion. Clearly not the same but thanks for getting it out of the way

But did DL also have competition on the OKC-LAX route during the ERJ expansion? Methinks not...as AA and UA came in after they exited the route.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18951 times:

Good news. More competition indeed. With that said, I'm wondering how much longer UA will stay on PDX-LAX and if Virgin will increase their frequency.

User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18923 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):

Not necessarily.


User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 18846 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 11):
Wow. As I alluded to earlier with regards to LAX-PDX, I wonder if this has less to do with AS (as many people are quick to think) and more to do with UA, or VX. Maybe DL thinks it can run UA or VX right off the LAX-SEA/PDX routes?

Me thinks there is a very good possibility that DL that is run off the LAX-SEA/PDX routes  


25 MIflyer12 : And not just availability on every route from LAX, it's 2-class airplanes on every FLIGHT by DL and DL Connection carriers. There's isn't a single 50
26 PlanesNTrains : With DL and AA cozy with AS, and with UA more focused on SFO (and down to CRJ's to to SEA/PDX ex-LAX), I would tend to think it will be VX or UA that
27 doug_Or : VX loads seem to have been improving based on my anecdotal observations. If UA wants to be a be able to provide a full network to LAX FFs it seems 2
28 Mah4546 : It is rumored that AA will be entering the LAX-SEA/PDX markets within a year as part of yet another LAX push. Cozy with AS or not, the market will ge
29 PlanesNTrains : Well, perhaps they'll upgauge? Regardless, it will indeed be a crowded market. -Dave
30 B727FA : Easy way to tell if your -800 has AVOD or Global: the 73H "Has" AVOD and the obviously the 738 is then an -800 w/global.
31 1337Delta764 : Last year I had an overnight PHX-JFK flight, and it was scheduled to be one of the non-AVOD aircraft, however, in the end it was operated by an AVOD
32 chrisair : +1. Had four or five flights scheduled as 73Hs last year--all were swapped for the non AVOD 738s. Really no big deal since they were PHX-SLC runs.
33 yellowtail : All good. And now we await the rumored more destinations in C. America from LAX (SAL for example) I agree. And this is why DL is acting now. I cannot
34 Prost : So United is the largest network carrier in LAX, AA is number two, WN is number three, and DL pulls up number four. The question that I have is with A
35 Deltal1011man : DL should be larger than WN in flights and market share. Just FWIW
36 DeltaRules : DL dropping the gloves with AA over CMH-LAX...saw that coming! It'll be interesting to see how DL's red-eye Eastbound leg does against AA's daylight v
37 enilria : Wow, just a whole bunch of AS and AA retaliation routes. I guess they are rolling in cash (as evidence by their new dividend), so they are "investing
38 1337Delta764 : If you want to know in advance, you can manually search every registration on FlightAware until you find your flight.
39 BigGSFO : Nobody does and the consumer wins. As for which airline in LAX will blink first, I honestly think UA is most likely to draw down before AA, DL or WN.
40 Deltal1011man : this. Worst thing happens, Delta has the back up plan to be able to use some of the 739/717 capacity for growth. They also have cap room in the secti
41 chrisair : Thanks for the article. I really can't remember that LA flight, but I really only started following the happenings at PDX once I moved there in 1998.
42 wedgetail737 : Does it mean that SEA-LAX will retain mainline, or is just simply DL Connection will have 5X daily (give or take) after 9/3? My guess is that AS is no
43 PlanesNTrains : I think DL can survive in SEA without AS, but it won't be nearly as easy. For one thing, they don't have unlimited terminal capacity from what I can
44 Deltal1011man : With 5x CR9 total capacity of 380 seats with the current mix, 1x 738, 1x 757, 1x CR7, its 399 seats. So its a small net decrease with much better con
45 Deltal1011man : While S doesn't have really any room to grow, I believe A or B does have some empty space(that Delta uses some of, during peak operations) that Delta
46 Prost : Currently DL uses S gates and A & B gates during the midday rush. I have no idea how that will work when UA moves their operations in to the A con
47 Deltal1011man : Right, not sure how things will work once SEA gets everyone moved around.
48 RWA380 : Congrats to my hometown airport for once again, landing some new service. There is no stopping the expansion here at PDX. I am sure this signals a mor
49 enilria : Yes, you can be the #2 carrier in a city and do fine, but not in the way DL is going to be the #2 carrier. There is not a single non-hub domestic rou
50 FlyASAGuy2005 : All this doom and gloom LOL. Comedy. Once I have some materials in hand and NOT on my phone ill respond.
51 jetlanta : My friend, all of this is a dramatic overreaction. While, DL & AS are clearly sending each other signals, there is no jeopardy in the relationshi
52 miaami : Any guesses as to when AA adds LAX-ATL or LAX-DTW?
53 DeltaMD90 : Trust you? Based off what proof? The big PR event they had a few months ago? It's fine to hypothesize, but please don't shoot from the hip and make f
54 B727FA : If you're able to see the a/c from the gate the "H" will have the antenna "hump" about 2/3 back on top.
55 BigGSFO : So? Again, they don't have to crush everyone to be successful. They can offer a limited domestic schedule to boost their position in the area and I f
56 timpdx : I remember doing PDX to LAX on the MD11 continuation from Tokyo in 90s sometime. That was the last WB flight I have ever taken along the west coast.
57 FlyASAGuy2005 : Some will be very surprised to find out just how many passengers each airline float on the other's metal. It's not a ton. DL has their own passengers
58 yellowtail : Now you have hit on the real answer. As those AS flights get fuller and fuller....it is harder and harder for DL to feed its flights to SYD, GUA, MEX
59 Gunsontheroof : It's tough to say anything like this and not come off as somehow "anti-PDX," but I can't see DL throwing metal at this one. PDX has no track record o
60 nickofatlanta : I'm not sure CDG feed would help that much with an AKL service. Feed from VS flights from/to LHR would help though. The UK is I believe a significant
61 Deltal1011man : Why would air NZ be upset with two JV partners feeding each other?
62 yellowtail : I dunno why I get the funny feeling that we will continue to see DL ramp up at LAX (incl some surprise announcements) over the next few months. How mu
63 nickofatlanta : Because Air NZ owns approximately 20% of Virgin Australia and would likely want VA to feed NZ's own flights AKL-LAX. Of course, through their ownersh
64 Deltal1011man : There you go. NZ wants VA to make money first and formost. And IMO there is room for DL on LAX-AKL
65 FlyASAGuy2005 : The situation is getting critical. From what i've read in different company reports, the RJ remote parking is a temporary agreement between DL and LA
66 nickofatlanta : Does the DL/VA joint venture even encompass NZ? I would like to see a bigger DL presence in this part of the world.
67 Deltal1011man : No. That's JV is just VA and DL. But in a round about way it sends money to NZ
68 nickofatlanta : Apologies I meant NZ as the country not the carrier.
69 mia305 : I'm suprised DL didn't try upgaging the LAX/MIA 738 to a 752 or add a second flight. They have a good network out of LAX to Asia. Wouldn't they give A
70 pdx : Whoever said DL did NOT fly the M11 PDXLAX is wrong. I flew DL74 on 25JUN92. It arrived from Asia and departed PDX for LAX at 1220P. Also, I just chec
71 chrisair : Says who?
72 FlyASAGuy2005 : Delta.com get loaded last. Almost always on Saturdays if I'm not mistaken.
73 GentFromAlaska : I'm not convinced CR9 service when compared to larger jet service offered by AS, WN and others is really competition. If the prices were comparable D
74 BigGSFO : DL did announce and will be operating seasonal non stops from Seattle and Los Angeles to Anchorage.
75 n92r03 : Only for two weeks then back to the red-eye and the A320? What's up with that?
76 Post contains images LAXintl : 1 flight to NRT and 1 to HND is a "good network"
77 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : They already have
78 Deltal1011man : oh. AFAIK if DL/VA operated a AKL-US flight it would be covered under the JV. no. AA has a ton of capacity between LAX-MIA. 2x daily 738s won't even
79 Post contains links nickofatlanta : The joint venture does seem to cover New Zealand - see fourth last paragraph below: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-antitrust-nod-from-the-us
80 kgaiflyer : I certainly remember flying a DL MD-11 DFW-PDX -- though it was some time ago (1995 as I recall).
81 MIflyer12 : excerpt: Delta and Virgin Blue have allayed DOT's concerns over a strong connecting network by agreeing to include revenue from third points in Canad
82 nickofatlanta : Any Australian airlines, a Any Australian and US airline has the rights to fly USA-NZ.
83 alexinwa : There was a time you would see at least 4, sometimes 6 MD11's on the ground at PDX. PDX-ATL/CVG/LAX/DFW have all seen the MD11. Even PDX-JFK was a 763
84 mtnwest1979 : I see one new SEA-LAS OO CR9 starting 6/10. Does anyone think one late evening flight will do well for them to keep it around?
85 FlyASAGuy2005 : That's pretty much how it reads to me.
86 Deltal1011man : Ok now i can publicly answer this. Check again, they have extended the morning flight. LAX-TPA DL0933 0955 1730 320 TPA-LAX DL1558 0705 0922 320 LAX-
87 cessna2 : CMH yes...but where in the schedule do you see LAX-RDU switched to a morning flight? Still shows the red-eye...
88 Joeljack : Hmmm...I've noticed that DL seems to have flights to most of their larger midwest outstations...ie...IND, MCI, CMH, MKE too I think. I wonder if OMA-
89 dlflynhayn : I like the the two flights to MCI that will help when I go see my Broncos play in Arrowhead!! Thanks Deltal1011man for the info,the only thing that ir
90 iowaman : I could see the potential for LAX-MSP as well on AA. Interesting find. DL has been doing well out of LAS, and has greatly expanded LAS-LAX offerings.
91 FlyASAGuy2005 : That would be an interesting one. Even a daily CR7 or CR9 to start would be a good thing just to test the waters but i'm afraid heavy hitters like LA
92 laca773 : The CR9 is a not a bad a/c for a flight just over 2 hours. It's a lot more comfortable than those CR2s. The cabin is much nicer. It would be nice if
93 laca773 : In regards to the UA in the LAX-PDX/SEA markets, I wouldn't be surprised to see them axe both routes. These are not high priority routes for them out
94 FlyASAGuy2005 : BOB (EATS) is only offered on flights over 1,499 miles. EATS was available on ATL-STX while the CR7/9 was on its. Premium snacks for purchase is avai
95 laca773 : Thanks, FlyASAGuy2005. DL/DLC really needs to think about changing this for these midcons. AS offers fresh BOB meals on their Southern California-SEA
96 Deltal1011man : No it got cut not long after the merger when Midwest(via E90s) came back on the route. Now that it is just down to WN i expect Delta will try to run
97 Post contains images Deltal1011man : I missed this. Delta has 1x daily LAX-KOA DL1299 LAX KOA 1450 1722 75V D DL1298 KOA LAX 2050 0506 75V D +1 Welcome the 757 flight only runs for 2 mont
98 mariner : If it is a JV, wouldn't it need approval from the NZ authorities, as Qantas/Emirates had to get? mariner
99 Post contains images sydscott : Yes. At the moment, New Zealand was not a party to the approval of the JV so an application would need to be made to the NZ Commerce Commission to co
100 dlflynhayn : I know DL has 1 flight to KOA I'm based in LAX and I'm from Kona,I was just saying it would be cool if we saw an additional flight to KOA or just to
101 Deltal1011man : Oh roger. Hopefully as delta keeps growing the 4th daily to HNL comes back. More capacity is added to OGG/LIH and KOA.
102 BigGSFO : A CR9 between SEA and LAS wouldn't be a good fit. At that stage length and with Vegas fares, there aren't enough seats to sell on the Barbie jets to
103 wedgetail737 : I'm sure they would if they could but there's only so many gates available at the S-gates and B-gates. Since DL flies to more Asian cities than anywh
104 slcdeltarumd11 : Its really hard to know what is going on behind the scenes. DL needs AS at SEA I dont see why they would want to start a war. AS can just become cozie
105 Post contains images point2point : DL used to fly LAX-DEN a while ago, then somehow found themselves the fifth wheel here after UA, (hub-to-hub), AA, F9 and WN (now market leader I bel
106 questions : How is LAX-BNA-LAX performing?
107 Joeljack : Yeah was thinking the same thing, the only question becomes if DL can get better yields from OMA vs those others knowing there is no OMA-LAX nonstop
108 Deltal1011man : You know that if this is what delta used for what routes they will or won't fly from LAX, they won't be flying anything but hubs? It failed during th
109 laca773 : How did F9 do in this market when they flew it nonstop with E90s?
110 Joeljack : I think they did ok during the summer months then so-so during the winter. Remember, F9 had very little brand loyalty and no connecting traffic on ei
111 AeroWesty : What the heck does Omaha have to do with LAX-PDX on DL? Please create a new thread if you want to discuss something outside the parameters of this thr
112 FlyASAGuy2005 : Looking at it that way, yes although i'm not sure about an E-Jet. It will most likely come down to what a/c is available for the time they go with. W
113 Post contains images RWA380 : With that mind set, I guess PDX-LAX won't meet that criteria, and the route will once again be abandoned by DL. Thanks for saying something, it bothe
114 wedgetail737 : Using what gates???? DL really doesn't have a whole lot of gate space, especially from the early AM through mid PM. AS pretty much the north half of
115 ASFlyer : What makes you think that AS can't hold their own against DL in SEA/PDX. They can and they will. DL is a giant but they aren't able to start any mark
116 Joeljack : This thread wasn't only LAX-PDX...it was having to do with many LAX changes so that is why i brought it up on this thread...it related to LAX-MCI and
117 RWA380 : You got the wrong impression, I was suggesting if DL wanted to create an all out war with AS, they could hit AS in the bread basket by showing up on
118 Deltal1011man : this is true. This thread is basically turning into the weekly change thread. changes I see this week. 1) LAX-OAK is going to 7x daily. All flights o
119 PSU.DTW.SCE : Now that is interesting, as its primarily always been CR7/9 aircraft with the occasional mainline.
120 BoeingGuy : Agreed. Their very such Frequent Flier redemption "bait and switch" is enough to make me stay away from DL when possible. I always pick AS first, the
121 questions : I know they are investing in some T5 remodeling at LAX, but how far can DL push their operations at LAX without more infrastructure? I was at LAX T5
122 Deltal1011man : It is interesting. My guess is they are trying to add the best 76-seat product. Also could open up some mid-con opportunities with the better E75. Go
123 laca773 : It's nice to hear both SJC and OAK are being increased. Obviously the demand is there. I hope this works out for them. I'll be interested to see what
124 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yep, and MCI-LAX appears to be the bridge for the E75s for the LAX-SFO flights.
125 wedgetail737 : You have some good points in your argument. There is no doubt that DL will increase service to/from SEA. They're already planning on increasing frequ
126 BigGSFO : Agreed. There is room in the market and if if the competition gets too heated (and DL remains committed), I predict United will blink first and pull
127 mia305 : Would DL consider operating LAX-AMS or LAX-CDG? Or is that pretty well covered by AF and KLM.
128 DeltaMD90 : Who says DL is trying to fight AS? People seem to forget the big PR ceremony the two airlines have had a few months ago, and AS then started to add m
129 LDVAviation : A new RJ terminal just for Delta? There is no stipulation in Delta's current rental contract for such future considerations. As you may know, there i
130 RWA380 : IMO, UA gave up a very long time ago. I remember flying UA DC-8-70, 727-200, 737-300/200 aircraft between PDX & LAX in the past.
131 ASFlyer : Delta really doesn't have much more room for growth in SEA. The idea of expanding there is great but they're just about out of room and there isn't a
132 ASFlyer : Yeah, AS didn't "add more flight to DL hubs". AS added twice daily service to SLC. So, maybe "add flights to a DL hub" would be more appropriate. Bey
133 DeltaMD90 : Well yeah I was a little confused on the intent too, but I doubt they'd set it up knowing they'd be going at each other's throats. Lately, every time
134 questions : Wow. So they're done doing what they set out to do at SEA?
135 wedgetail737 : DL's domestic expansion at SEA has been minimal. With the exception of LAX, I hardly see DL's 1X daily seasonal SEA-ANC and 1X daily SEA-LAS flights
136 laca773 : I've been saying this since they downgauged both PDX & SEA to UAEx. It's time for them to eliminate the service in both markets as well as a few
137 Post contains links smoot4208 : On top of BZE, last week DL/Skywest applied for LAX-BJX beginning on 12/19. Looks like the aircraft to be used will be a CR7/CR9 http://airlineinfo.co
138 bobnwa : I wish they would increase the Better E75 product but all the recent orders have been for the Bombardier product which I consider an inferior product
139 wedgetail737 : Where is BJX? Filler Filler
140 Post contains links BigGSFO : Leon, Mexico. http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=bjx
141 avi8 : Where is Delta getting all these airplanes from?
142 questions : RE terminal 5... as you're walking through the concourse, from security and towards the end, on the right, maybe half way down, there looks like a con
143 FlyASAGuy2005 : Increased utilization. Doesn't take much to shuffle around the way you've been routing a/c to add a few more legs into the system.
144 Post contains images Deltal1011man : and could be more routes added. They had E75s on SEA also but changed it to CR9s this week. Thats is the issue. but its not like Delta is going to as
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