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Public Relations: United Will Change Livery Soon  
User currently offlineSFOintern From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 770 posts, RR: 5
Posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

This conclusion is easy come to up with if you use logic, intuition, and just plain common sense.

a) The image of a blue and grey plan slamming into WTC#2 over and over again, constanly being replayed on television, to eyes worldwide.

b) Close ups of the plane with very distinguishable features of the United livery is accompanied by screaming, flames, etc.

c) No other air disaster in history has had the magnitude and effect of this awful, awful happening. Not only does this affect our humanity, economy, and lifestyle-- it affects our idea of security in this world.

d) ALL this sadness, outrage, and tragedy will be forever lumped together with the live footage of UA#175 slamming into the tower. Over and over again.

This senseless replay of such a horrific sight is not good for the psyche. Pyschologists advise to keep from watching such images of destruction repeatedly. The media doesn't care about mental health, unfortantely-- only about ratings and advertising profit$.

American will not have as much of an image problem considering there was very little footage of AA#11.

I know this is a very morbid subject, but just want to show how this is a public relations nightmare for the airlines, in addition to being a universal nightmare in the firstplace.

43 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSFOintern From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

Of course, this hinges on United's financial stability and "forecast for existence".

Please don't say United "is not even thinking about this right now" due to their precarious financial situation and focus on simple recovery; you can bet that if United is hedging on its survival, this is one of their top priorities.

As precedent...TWA applied its new livery expediently soon after horrible images of flight 800.

Those images come nowhere close to the sheer terror of watching UA#175 in real time.


User currently offlineDelta_fan From Mexico, joined Jul 2001, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

I hera what you are saying SFO , but with all the economic issues i don't think UA will change its livery ,,,,well at least not rigth now.


Delta_fan.
MTY


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Livery means everything to you, doesn't it?

Changing the livery will really not improve anything much. And UA is not that stupid to spend millions of dollars on changing its livery when they are in serious financial problems.

These days pax don't care much about livery. Look at BA, they're reputation was ruined the day they started the World Tails. It got many criticisms, and now they are going to repaint all there aircraft to the Union Jack tail.

It isn't going to happen. UA's livery is the LEAST thing on there mind now.....



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineGjunnar From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

hey guys,
where are the sources for your discussions?
gjunnar


User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 646 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Yes, I love the old one, it make me depressed since TUes


Live life to max!!!
User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

I think you missed his point. While the British Airways logo may have been ugly it wasn't associated with one of it's planes slamming into a building amidst screams of horror.
While I think it's premature to speculate on whether or not United will change it's livery. I see the relevance of it. It's part of why Valujet took the AirTran name when they merged.

Perhaps American will consider going with the TWA name after the merger  Smile



User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

Spinkid,

UA is in financial problems, they are not going to spend millions to change there livery. If they did, it wouldn't make a whole lot of difference.

Someone who is paranoid of UA now, will always be paranoid even when the livery is changed. Look at TWA after flight 800. They changed there livery, yet they still suffered and are now owned by AA.

Its been proven, changing liveries doesn't do much, not nearly worth the cost of changing the livery on all aircraft.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

BA....

You don't seem to understand the discussion here and are clearly in over your head.

Go back and read SFOintern's posts again.



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

I agree with BA. They don't have the money to pay for it - and if they did then the would do what Valujet did and go as far as changing their name.

And what about American? They too are closely associated with this terrible event - should they also change their livery? No more polished fuselages?

I don't think so, some how.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

DeltaSFO,

I read his replies thoroughly. As we all have learned from TWA, livery change does not change the reputation of an airline much at all.

I'm sorry but I disagree 100%.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineN757AT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

TWA introduced the new scheme in July 1995, TWA 800 crashed July 17, 1996.

User currently offlineSFOintern From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Celidh-- Read what I mention about AA again...

BA... you may have your own opinion, but there was no need to be excessively rude about it. Especially in a time like this.

Also, BA, your statement about BA seems to prove wrong yoru theory about liveries. On the contrary, because their livery was so reviled, they adopted a universal--new--Union Jack scheme. Why are you contradicting yourself there?

N757AT... yes, but IIRC TW hastened the repaints afterwards. ...TWA applied its new livery expediently


User currently offlineTsully From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

just for your information, UAL has been planning to change her livery even before this massacre occured. A new identity was in the making long before this tragedy. In particular, note the new y-class seats which are replacing the old gray seats.

But I will agree that UAL has more reason now to change her look.




I love America. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle, but I'd rather be a dog in New York City than a prince in Riyadh.
User currently offlineVortrieb From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

for sure,changing the livery will change everything,because people are too stupid and not that clever.
you can see the answers.

bst rgds


User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Yes, I definately see a new livery change coming... you try and disassociate the airline as quickly as possible, and a new livery is the best way to do it. Of course they have been moving in that direction for quite some time before 9/11, but this will just speed up the process (a la TWA).

Does this mean we'll be getting new uniforms or what? I mean, I just ordered mine a week ago, they haven't even come yet... and just a note at SkyWest/UAX we only have had 3 cancelled flights as of when I left work 2 and a half hours ago. Delays are more numerous, but most are going out on time.

Kai



Head in the clouds... yet feet planted firmly on the ground.
User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

In this case, I think both AA and UA should need a new livery.

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Morbidity (I made that word up) aside, I think that, IF BOTH AIRLINES SURVIVE (big if) then both will change liveries as a sign of moving on with our nation.

I never thought we might lose these airlines, the world's two biggest, but then I never thought Continental would lay off 12,000 with Northwest doing the same thing on Monday.

Folks, what is happening to us?

Randy


User currently offlineDasa From East Timor, joined Aug 2001, 760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

I think United will change their livery. A person by his/herself is clever. People as a whole are stupid. Therefore, people will associate these liveries with terror, and will act accordingly.

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3856 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

b) Close ups of the plane with very distinguishable features of the United livery is accompanied by screaming, flames, etc.

Where have you seen this? Are you talking about actual photos/video or are you talking about the graphics depicting the events that have been shown on some of the news channels?

I've looked at lots of pictures and seen (and taped) about 25 hours of TV coverage since this incident began and I have not seen one single picture or video where you can actually identify the plane as belonging to United. In most of the shots, the plane just appears as a black silhouette. In the one photo where you see the plane right before it hits (shown here)

http://www.volkskrant.com/WTC/WTC5.jpg

how can you tell it is one of UA's planes? I don't see any "very distinguishable features of the United livery". All I see is a silver plane. Is there a photo I've missed?

Personally, I'd rather have United (and AA, too, for that matter) use the money to hire well paid security screeners instead of contracting it out to these firms that pay people $6.00 an hour who most likely will be gone in three months for a better job. JMHO.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

SFOIntern, I think your theory is right on the money. Don't be surprised to see a new UA livery in the near future. A complete and total change, with no more reworking of the 1974 stylized "U" or anything like that.

How are you doing out in SFO? All of you UA and AA employees have had my specific prayers all week. I never thought I'd see the day I was in church near tears thinking about what Jim Goodwin's life was like.

Could you imagine what it would be like, if UA were trying to digest US right now? Oy vey.

Jim




Need a new airline paint scheme? Better call Saul! (Bass that is)
User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

I have another observation. In many cases where an airplane remains largely intact after a crash, the airline will hastily paint over any lettering on that aircraft. This is done despite the fact that the livery is easily recognized and the name of the airline has been mentioned a thousand times by the press.

Personally, I believe that UAL will change it's livery in light of recent events.


User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

UAL will not change their livery... They cant afford it, they have more important things to worry about than some paint on an airplane. Get a clue. UAL and many other airlines will be lucky to survive. You are only going to see 2-3 major airlines after all this.



User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2006 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1969 times:

UA has many more things much more important to spend limited cash on than repainting airplanes. They may change their livery but it will be a slow process, only repainting the aircraft as the time to do comes up. Not that they would listen to me, but they should go back to the classic Late 50's - through early 70's Block lettering Red/White/Blue patriotic scheme with the single cheatline on the windows and the angled stripe on the tail. It looked great on the Boeing 720 so why wouldnt look good on the A-320 or 737's. And the revised four star livery looked good on the 747's and DC-10's.

User currently offlinePlane Holland From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1942 times:

The future of both AA and UA operations will not be affected by their livery but by their names.

That's what stay's in people's minds, not a livery..
remember Pan AM.

regards, PH


25 RoyalDutch : Sad...I always like United's livery (their old one was kinda nice too), but i see how it makes sense.
26 Jaysit : Please don't make a ridiculous pronouncement such as that in a title when you have no evidence. The average American has nary a clue what aircraft, or
27 ILUV767 : SFOintern hit the nail on the head. In newspapers across the United states there are pictures of a United 767, and in the video's that are being repla
28 Blink182 : In this case, I think American and United should both get new liveries. I like both schemes, but I think it would only do better for both airlines if
29 Flashmeister : Again, the difference between AA and UA is that there's very limited video with AA's livery in it -- I've only seen one video of the first plane. UA's
30 Post contains images Imkeww : feel free to take...
31 RayChuang : I don't think either airline is going to change their liveries soon. The reason is simple: it costs serious amounts of money to repaint an airplane--e
32 Imkeww : Ray-- Please don't confuse your own preferences for being "not so far-fetched"... If you think going back to Astrojets doesn't involve a massive repai
33 Boeing757fan : SFOintern, whats your source? Is it at SFO? Maybe Ill ask whoever it is when I fly through there on Tuesday. LMAO. I dont believe it for a second.
34 Cap'n Dan : TWA: I'm pretty sure that when an aircraft has its lettering painted over after a crash it is for insurance purposes. I think it has something to do w
35 LoneStarMike : Flashmeister Again, the difference between AA and UA is that there's very limited video with AA's livery in it -- I've only seen one video of the firs
36 SFOintern : Boeing757fan... I stated I had no particular source. Go back and read the first line of my post. We'll see who's eating crow in the coming months. Moc
37 LoneStarMike : OK, that makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification, SFOIntern. LoneStarMike
38 AAR90 : >Repainting an aircraft involves stripping the aircraft skin of all >paints and sealants -- even AA's metal protectant/preservant. Sorry, but AA airpl
39 Kevin : The tragedy that took place and involved a United aircraft is not the reason to change the livery. For us (who understand something in aviation) the c
40 SFOintern : AAR90-- I understand it is polished aluminum, but is not there some sort of wax or anti-corrosion substance applied when buffing? Where is Purdue Arro
41 Voodoo : Sorry if someone else has already mentioned it in the many posts above but: `What about American?'
42 Greg : Pretty petty. Who cares if they change their colours. However, after looking a the pictures, it's damn difficult to see that it's a United Plane. All
43 Teej13 : Also consider all of the file footage of United and AA jets that have been shown to the public by the media over the last week. I say it's a good inve
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