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AA New Service To Seoul, South Korea  
User currently offlinenostromopilot From Mexico, joined Feb 2013, 18 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16395 times:

http://www.asianewsnet.net/American-...direct-flights-from-Seo-46542.html

Did I miss this being discussed? This is a pretty big deal given AA's extremely limited Asian presence. Anyone have info on loads or fanfare regarding the first flight?

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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2314 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16322 times:

Yeah, you're late to the party. Discussed here.


AA DFW To ICN Begins... Along With Other Routes (by aacun Oct 24 2012 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinenostromopilot From Mexico, joined Feb 2013, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15759 times:

Uh that's a negative, nothing regarding the launch on Friday was mentioned in that thread, only that it had been announced.

Question stands.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24368 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15707 times:

And we had a member fly on it

AA27 DFW-ICN On Thursday (by HOONS90 May 6 2013 in Aviation Polls)

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User currently offlinenostromopilot From Mexico, joined Feb 2013, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15668 times:

Many thanks LAXintl.

User currently offlinejsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1994 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15504 times:

I'm booked on this route in late July. Seat map in Y right now is about 60% occupied. I'm on the waitlist for a mileage upgrade to J... when I called for the upgrade, the AA agent said my odds were pretty good based on available inventory but that I probably wouldn't clear until a week or so before the flight.

It's good to see AA trying something new in Asia, where they've traditionally struggled to grow beyond NRT.


User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15451 times:

Yes, Asian growth has certainly been limited. There have been many rumors od MIA-NRT and DFW-HKG with the 77W, but so far nothing is confirmed.

User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15349 times:

Good to see AA trying something new to asia beside Japan.
Wouldn't have been wise for AA to start it LAX/ICN instead of DFW?

Or is it because the market from LAX is to flooded compared to DFW
and they can charge there own prices? Either way its good to see AA
open a new Asian route and wish them luck.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15283 times:

AA hasn't succeeded in Asia on any routes except NRT. Skeptical they'll do well in ICN. HKG is the no brainer.

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2314 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15098 times:

Did AA hire Korean speaking FA's? I never saw it mentioned here.


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User currently onlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2949 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14853 times:
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Quoting nostromopilot (Thread starter):
Did I miss this being discussed? This is a pretty big deal given AA's extremely limited Asian presence. Anyone have info on loads or fanfare regarding the first flight?

First DFW-ICN was completely full in Y and from what I observed, full up front as well.
At DFW there was a ceremony with traditional Korean dancers and speeches made by an AA executive (forgot the exact title), Korean consul-general and the CEO of DFW airport. Hors D'oeuvres were also offered in the form of fusion Korean foods such as Korean burritos.
Gift bags were given out with a very neat travel adapter, a Seoul travel guidebook and chopsticks. Service on this flight was simply excellent.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 8):

AA hasn't succeeded in Asia on any routes except NRT. Skeptical they'll do well in ICN. HKG is the no brainer.

Shanghai?

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 9):

Did AA hire Korean speaking FA's? I never saw it mentioned here.

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Yes. I saw at least two in Y class. Announcements were made in Korean as well but it sounded like the flight attendant was second generation Korean American. The AA executive's speech at DFW also made mention of hiring Korean speaking flight attendants.

Pictures of the ceremony and perhaps a trip report will be posted eventually. I'm in Korea for the next 9 days and will be busy, but I'll try my best to get some pictures posted somehow with only my ipad and phone.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18717 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14808 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 9):

Did AA hire Korean speaking FA's? I never saw it mentioned here.

I'd have figured that, given that AA is a huge airline with a lot of F/A's, they'd already have some who happen to speak Korean.


User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6180 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14773 times:

PEK as well, they have been operating that route fpr a while now.
With the amount of connections past DFW the flight should work,I would expect HKG out of DFW to be the next Asian destination.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24368 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14743 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 10):
Shanghai?

I doubt PVG is doing very hot. Between the endless fare sales, and 3-way airline competition, plus random schedule reductions, I think AA just wants to minimize its losses on the market.

Quoting chepos (Reply 12):
PEK as well, they have been operating that route fpr a while now.

Still stuck with those terrible slot times.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14456 times:

I dont think either SHA or PEK are doing well for AA. They are long term investments. There is too much capacity to China now.

User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3842 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11835 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 8):

AA hasn't succeeded in Asia on any routes except NRT. Skeptical they'll do well in ICN

I think it's worth the gamble considering how long Korean Air has been flying Seoul-DFW, and how the route has steadily grown from 3x a week to 5x weekly (and now daily to compete with AA). AA and KE may also be capturing different traffic flows considering that both have a hub on either end of the route (AA capturing the US to Seoul market, and KE looking at DFW-Asia).


User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3335 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11630 times:

As always, full doesn't mean AA is making money.

My friend was able to score a DFW-NRT-HKG-ICN-DFW 7 day trip in November for ~$600 ai, presumably because of some fare sales.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8216 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11595 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 16):
As always, full doesn't mean AA is making money.

  

Not convinced there is a single breakeven AA Asia flight.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4064 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11114 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 16):
My friend was able to score a DFW-NRT-HKG-ICN-DFW 7 day trip in November for ~$600 ai, presumably because of some fare sales.

Which airline is that on?



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7337 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10905 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):

I can tell you for a fact DFW-NRT makes profit. The other NRT flights do pretty well. AA gets their shirt handed to the on PEK, HND, and LAX-PVG.

Will DFW-ICN do well? It will definitely do better than LAX-PVG and ORD-PEK.



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User currently offlinePEK777 From China, joined Jun 2012, 103 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10737 times:

AA's PEK timeslots are a joke. throw their old sea hag flight attendants into the mix, and you have to wonder how anyone ends up on these flights!

User currently offlineORDTLV2414 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10640 times:
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As a Chicagoian I enjoy AA's connectivity. I flew AA's PEK-ORD and was very impressed and delighted by the flight compared to when I've flown United to Asia.

User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8343 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):
Not convinced there is a single breakeven AA Asia flight.

The two daily DFW-NRT frequencies do very well to my understanding. Good loads in Y, J and F and usually loading up on freight as well.


User currently offlinenostromopilot From Mexico, joined Feb 2013, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7579 times:

PEK777: sea hag flight attendants.

This made me laugh violently. Your comment was so preposterous that it almost did not warrant a response. But I suppose you only value youth for its visual aesthetics where I'd take a veteran experienced flight attendant absolutely any day. One wonders, are you yourself a supermodel? Do you choose your flights solely to ogle young flight attendants? Lol

In other news. Heavy rumint swirling out of LAX crew bases appear to suggest 77Ws will be used for much more than LHR... HKG and SYD are what I'm hearing.


User currently offlinecptmac From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7157 times:

Quoting nostromopilot (Thread starter):
Did I miss this being discussed? This is a pretty big deal given AA's extremely limited Asian presence. Anyone have info on loads or fanfare regarding the first flight?

I was a non-rev on the inaugural flight. The official loads were: F: 14/14 J: 33/37 Y: 180/194

Here are the official loads for flights up to today:

DFW-ICN
5/10 F: 14/14 J: 37/37 Y: 182/194
5/11 F: 14/14 J:32/37 Y: 186/194
5/12 F: 11/14 J: 37/37 Y: 183/194

ICN-DFW
5/10 F: 14/14 J: 28/37 Y: 178/194
5/11 F: 14/14 J: 32/37 Y: 120/194
5/12 F: 12/14 J: 13/37 Y: 49/194 (Yes, not 149)

Overall, DFW-ICN looks pretty healthy for the next several months. ICN-DFW may struggle a little bit.

Here is a link that may answer some of your questions (mentions the hiring of new korean speaking FA's:

http://hub.aa.com/en/nr/pressrelease...asfort-worth-and-seoul-south-korea

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 6):

Yes, Asian growth has certainly been limited. There have been many rumors od MIA-NRT and DFW-HKG with the 77W, but so far nothing is confirmed.

DFW-HKG would be a great addition.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 9):

Did AA hire Korean speaking FA's? I never saw it mentioned here.

Mentioned in the article I posted above.

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 10):
First DFW-ICN was completely full in Y and from what I observed, full up front as well.
At DFW there was a ceremony with traditional Korean dancers and speeches made by an AA executive (forgot the exact title), Korean consul-general and the CEO of DFW airport. Hors D'oeuvres were also offered in the form of fusion Korean foods such as Korean burritos.
Gift bags were given out with a very neat travel adapter, a Seoul travel guidebook and chopsticks. Service on this flight was simply excellent.

I was there as well! I remember you informing that you would be at the inaugural on my previous trip report, but I must have forgotten, especially with my recent exams. It is a pity we didn't get to meet up for a heck of an ceremony.

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 10):
Yes. I saw at least two in Y class. Announcements were made in Korean as well but it sounded like the flight attendant was second generation Korean American. The AA executive's speech at DFW also made mention of hiring Korean speaking flight attendants.

Pictures of the ceremony and perhaps a trip report will be posted eventually. I'm in Korea for the next 9 days and will be busy, but I'll try my best to get some pictures posted somehow with only my ipad and phone.

Seconded. I will also post a trip report sometime later this week or possibly next week. It'll be interesting to read yours!

Cool story - I was touring the Gyeongbokgung Palace last Saturday and ran into the AA upper managements that were on the flight.


25 chepos : AA would be crazy to launch LAX to HKG and SYD, CX runs 2 to 3 frequencies to HKG and SYD is a bloodbath from LAX.
26 dtwlax : No way. AA will not survive against Korean and Asiana. These two airlines own the LAX-ICN market. Agree
27 RyanairGuru : I totally agree with your sentiment... but not your logic: This is a myth. All 4 airlines have said that they're profitable SYD-LAX. J/F, in particul
28 oc2dc : I think you're right about that. Judging by the fact that DFW-ICN has excellent loads and ICN-DFW is struggling seems to imply they are having troubl
29 EddieDude : Interesting that AA is considering these two destinations. Issues with pilots have been sorted out? I suppose HKG is feasible to the extent it can be
30 Mah4546 : AA and QF have a JBA; so any AA service in the market would be operated under joint-venture/profit share.
31 EddieDude : Oh, thanks for the clarification. Then if you agree with me it makes even less sense for AA to launch LAX-SYD when QF already has A380 service with a
32 Post contains links and images RyanairGuru : Absolutely The biggest issue I see is that a factor in the ACCC approving the JBA was the AA would not enter the market. This was instrumental in the
33 Mah4546 : It's not an issue. And if the ACC wants to play games and try to stop AA metal from flying under the venture, then DOT will simply have the DL/VA JBA
34 oc2dc : Chances of AA launching flights to SYD are just about 0. However, I recently heard something about AA looking into LAX-AKL. I think AKL might be able
35 Mah4546 : It is the single largest O&D market between the continental United States and Asia. It's not too far-fetched to think a U.S. carrier can make it
36 HeeseokKoo : May is a very busy season for US to Korea traffic, and very light on the other way. This is because many Korean students in US visit home in May. It
37 ripcordd : Any chance of ORD-ICN? I know KE and OZ are on it but AA feeds a lot of people to their flights thru ORD
38 RyanairGuru : The JBA covers both Australia and New Zealand, so I don't see why not.
39 IrishAyes : No. I think that an ORD-ICN flight would be a disaster, possibly even more likely to lose money than a LAX-ICN flight, for several reasons: 1. It wou
40 HeeseokKoo : That's what people said when TG launched that route and now TG is doing great. TG doesn't even had to do any discount or promotion. There is definite
41 LAXintl : Who says TG is doing great? TG had no choice. With parking the A345 fleet they had to stop somewhere enroute to LAX, and under bilaterals they only h
42 crAAzy : 1. While AA/QF do have a JBA in place it's been well documented here before that if AA wanted to start flying it's own metal to Australia/NZ the agre
43 HeeseokKoo : Then I guess I was wrong. TG recently upgauged 772 to 77W and TG has been pushing for Korean government to allow more frequency to a daily operation.
44 Mah4546 : If QF/AA were not approved, that's likely excatly what would happen. Just like if any of the EU alliances were to be broken up - break one, break all
45 sydscott : Lets not forget the context that the AA JBA has been going for years and it now competes with both UA and DL/VA. If AA were to decide to fly to SYD,
46 RyanairGuru : I think that you are taking too broad a view. Sure, the ACCC didn't object to EY/SQ/NZ, but if AA enter the market then there would be a legitimate a
47 Deltal1011man : I'll bet anything you wanna bet that not only would the DOT not do so and Delta/Virgin would sue and win if the DOT was so stupid to do so. They can'
48 cx828 : Does AA 77W has the range to do DFW-HKG, quite strong head wind and they carry more passenger than CX.
49 LAXdude1023 : UA and CX can co-exist on this route nicely, but there isnt room for a third carrier. As a local market, ORD-HKG is not much larger than DFW-ICN whic
50 sydscott : If it came to that, no they wouldn't. There would be a process and if recent history is anything to go by, Virgin would object to it in the same way
51 covert : I'm still waiting for the pictures.
52 Mah4546 : On what grounds? DOT is allowed to unilaterally end any JBA.
53 FlyASAGuy2005 : There is a little something call precedent. Where is it? It's just not in th nature or spirit of how the DOT does business in that area. You're reach
54 Mah4546 : What precedent? The terms of every ATI allow DOT to simply pull it if they belive its no longer good for the public (itself a braod definition). And,
55 Polot : The situation is a little different. QF and AA already have a JV. People are arguing that if AA adds flights the ACC will break up the QF/AA JV, and
56 motorhussy : With all this talk about AA to Oz, could this be a Plan-B by AA in case the EK/QF relationship cozies up across the Pacific as well? Noone expected th
57 Post contains links and images HOONS90 : I was finally able to get around to uploading the pictures from the inaugural event. Sorry about the lateness! Buffet Traditional dance ceremony They
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