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50th Paris Air Show 2013 | June 17 - 23  
User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18748 times:



That said Emeric d’Arcimoles, chairman and chief executive officer of the show, at a press briefing March 27: “This new air show in 2013 will be a very, very big air show.”

Will there be many orders again?

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User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 18430 times:

Boeing will officially start offering 777X and 787-10. Airbus will reveal its final design for the A350-1000. A380-900???  

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 18162 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 1):
Boeing will officially start offering 777X and 787-10. Airbus will reveal its final design for the A350-1000. A380-900???

I doubt the A380-9 will be offered, but i'd be pleasantly surprised...
I see a number of orders for the 77W again, as well as 789 and (if offered) 7810 orders....hopefully some Japanese carriers will order some more 



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User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3373 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 18041 times:

A whole stack of Airbus orders that have been reported but not yet added to firm order list e.g. IAG A350, QR A330 maybe the AF A350. The 78J launch and a bunch of orders too

User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17786 times:

Bloomberg, by Andrea Rothman: "Airbus engineers are working 13-hour days to get the company’s latest A350 plane off the ground in time to scoop the headlines at next month’s Paris air show."

“A first flight by Paris would bring a huge credibility boost for Airbus just as people are having doubts about Boeing’s execution,” according to Richard Aboulafia, vice president of U.S.-based Teal Group.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...to-paris-show-blow-for-boeing.html


User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1867 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17408 times:

Will be there for ch-aviation...

User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5398 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17298 times:

More, 'the sky is falling' from Teal. By now anybody with any sense knows Airbus was pretty much ready to fly the 350 in June and if they work hard enough at it, they could fly it by Paris. While it would be a huge PR event, it won't make a teeny bit of difference to any customer who usually prefers to spend their billions based on a bit more than a flyby or two...just like customers didn't leave by the droves because of the 787 grounding.

If the CSeries doesn't fly before Paris, is that a disaster for them? Oh wait, Richard is vehemently anti CSeries anyway so that's irrelevant.

Real problems and disasters like the 320 flyby accident, the 747 cargo door, 737 rudders, A380 wing cracks and the 787 batteries, didn't spell the end of any company...the 350 making it to Paris won't be the end of the 777x either.

Is the Teal group a National Inquirer subsidiary? Every quote from this guy seems like the aeronautical version of, 'Brad Pitt might be gay'.



What the...?
User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 17014 times:

Good smile
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EnxwDKsDd1k/UZK2UwpDgHI/AAAAAAAAEGw/D8N6kMqQMvA/s1600/lebourget.jpg
from bloga350


User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16615 times:

This can be exciting.

Airbus, Boeing, will battle for PR at Paris Air Show


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16614 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 5):
Will be there for ch-aviation...

Will be there as a Boeing guest with access to their chalet.

     



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6511 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16351 times:

Will be there as a fake professional...

  



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User currently onlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16328 times:

Will be there for the "Avionics and the Airbus A350" workshop on Wednesday  


A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineAlpage From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16321 times:

Got my ticket already...  

User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 15813 times:

Expectations are fueled and published several times, including Aviation Week.

Quote:
First Flight Nears, A350 Could Make Paris Show Flypast


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 15747 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 5):
Will be there for ch-aviation...
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
Will be there as a Boeing guest with access to their chalet.
Quoting Aesma (Reply 10):
Will be there as a fake professional...
Quoting starbucks (Reply 11):
Will be there for the "Avionics and the Airbus A350" workshop on Wednesday
Quoting Alpage (Reply 12):
Got my ticket already...

Am I the only one here who is hoping not to have to go?   


Dan  



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7380 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 15596 times:

What are the chances of an B v A battle with BA the winner?

I am thinking of an A380 in BA livery competing for attention with a Dreamliner in BA livery.

My thinking is that with either at least possible A would want to demonstrate it had broken into the twin-aisle fleet of an important customer while B would want to counter this by showing it was still a twin-aisle supplier to that airline. Or is this pie in the sky with both types only likely to appear in house colours?


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 15556 times:

I just received from a business partner a corporate access badge and invitation to some of the vendor salons, with lunch and cocktails on the terrace overlooking the action. Checked with our procurement people and they indicate it is allowed corporate hospitality, so I guess I'll be going. Should be good.


When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlinemarky From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 15435 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 15):
I am thinking of an A380 in BA livery competing for attention with a Dreamliner in BA livery.

I have read A380 will be in BA colours, but 787 will be Qatar. Can't remember where I read it so can't vouch for its accuracy!


User currently offlinePaolo92 From Italy, joined Oct 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 15253 times:

I'll be also there!
But I don't know of what am I excited more: to visit the Paris airshow for my first time or for the "trip to Paris".
I'm training for the ATPL license... and I managed to organize an "IFR training flight" from Northern Italy to Paris for a 3-day visit there  



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5398 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 15119 times:

I think the only thing that could possibly trump an A350 flyby, would be a flyby of a formation of 787's...say Qatar, BA and LOT...nothing fancy but pretty damned cool all the same.

It won't happen but it would still steal some thunder back.



What the...?
User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14937 times:

Oh oh
http://www.bloga350.blogspot.com/201...wb-first-flight-aircraft-msn1.html


User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14540 times:

Analyst: Boeing could launch 787-10X at Paris Air Show, but unlikely to kick off 777X there

User currently offlineAlpage From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14360 times:

Funny to how they are so tight·lipped about their moves until the Air Show.

User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14161 times:

Quote:
Airframer sales teams will focus on securing orders for aircraft not yet in flight at this year’s Paris air show. With less than three weeks to the start of the show, here’s how the order books look for the newest narrowbodies:
http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.as...2ae2b7-3ce0-4d88-9a6d-88cdd1686286


User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13879 times:

Thanks for the contributions.
The other topic "Possible Orders At Le Bourget" is likely to be more appropriate.


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14364 times:

Rookie question: is the Paris Air Show an industry-insiders-only sort of event, or is it open to the public? Is attending the show something that should be on the bucket list of aviation enthusiasts outside of France?
Thanks.



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User currently offlinePBNZ From New Zealand, joined Jan 2012, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14336 times:

Intending to be there Sunday 23rd if anyone else is around that day - is it wise to get a place in the grandstand / tribune?

User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3128 posts, RR: 9
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14931 times:

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 25):

It is both. There is an "industry only" part and then the public show.



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User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14739 times:

sldinfo: Two A400Ms will be seen at the upcoming Paris Air Show, with the first French Air Force one seen on the static display.

User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14411 times:

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 25):
Is attending the show something that should be on the bucket list of aviation enthusiasts outside of France?

Yes. This'll be my third visit. 1995 2009 2013



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User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14109 times:

Jon Ostrower tweets: It's becoming increasingly clear that Airbus and Bombardier are aiming for first flights to coincide with the Paris Air Show.

Quote:
Credit: BOMBARDIER

 Smilehttp://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_06_02_2013_p0-584034.xml

[Edited 2013-06-02 16:55:03]

User currently onlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13773 times:

Credit: Bombardier and a picture of the AIRBUS!! A350?? :/


A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5398 posts, RR: 30
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 13687 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 31):

Those Canadians love taking pictures.



What the...?
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13473 times:

......I thought someone said the C-series wouldn't be flying before PAS13?


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User currently offlinePaolo92 From Italy, joined Oct 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13435 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
......I thought someone said the C-series wouldn't be flying before PAS13?

That's the point!
BBD said "first flight not before PAS but before the end of the month".
No one said that they won't fly during  



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6511 posts, RR: 9
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13288 times:

Quoting Paolo92 (Reply 18):
I'll be also there!
But I don't know of what am I excited more: to visit the Paris airshow for my first time or for the "trip to Paris".
I'm training for the ATPL license... and I managed to organize an "IFR training flight" from Northern Italy to Paris for a 3-day visit there

Is there a free seat on your plane ?  
Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 25):
Rookie question: is the Paris Air Show an industry-insiders-only sort of event, or is it open to the public? Is attending the show something that should be on the bucket list of aviation enthusiasts outside of France?
Thanks.

The week is for insiders then the week-end for the public, the show and demos staying the same (except when the A400M had gearbox troubles and couldn't fly for the public). You often have the latest airplanes/copters there (for example last time I saw the Eurocopter X3, in 2009 the SSJ100...), the patrouille de France will show its new program celebrating its 60th anniversary, experimental and old timers planes also fly, armies show their muscle (the US military is there en masse, last time I visited a C-5 and a Sea Knight, this time I don't know though, with budget cuts), apparently the Russians will come this time.

I have been many times on the week-ends, but last time I went during a "professionals day" when air crew in uniform enter for free and most people are insiders, it's far less crowded and I could do visits, enter cockpits, play a French air force videogame, without hours of queue, really great.

[Edited 2013-06-03 10:36:02]


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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5398 posts, RR: 30
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13153 times:

Quoting Paolo92 (Reply 18):
I'm training for the ATPL license... and I managed to organize an "IFR training flight" from Northern Italy to Paris for a 3-day visit there

I just noticed your post. I don't know you Paolo, but I think my jealousy may prompt me to hate you.



What the...?
User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7380 posts, RR: 17
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12915 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 15):
What are the chances of an B v A battle with BA the winner?

I am thinking of an A380 in BA livery competing for attention with a Dreamliner in BA livery.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-display-at-paris-air-show-386592/

Half way there! Come on Boeing.


User currently offlinePaolo92 From Italy, joined Oct 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12906 times:

On the official airshow website:
Provisional Aircraft List
Interactive map of the exhibition
List of Events - 2013 Paris Air Show



Each evening, stars come out their daylight hiding places... But one of those, will be my wingtip, passing over...
User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12572 times:

The is very exciting.

Quote:
Canada’s Bombardier said on Sunday its new CSeries passenger jet was in good shape to make its crucial maiden flight by the end of June as it prepares to unveil orders for the more fuel efficient jet at the Paris air show.

The first aircraft, which rolled out of the factory in green primer paint and is now under the control of the flight test crew, is “looking great” for a test sortie this month, Chet Fuller, senior commercial vice president, told reporters.

The countdown coincides with preparations for the first flight of the larger Airbus A350, which could fly before the June 17-23 air show.
http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...series-on-track-for-june-1.1192112


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6511 posts, RR: 9
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12349 times:

Handed to the flight test crew without paint ? I guess they really want the publicity of first flight.


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User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12022 times:

News in advance.

The daily La Tribune announces second Monday that the Air France - KLM sign next week (PAS) its order for 25 A350s (plus 35 options).

http://www.air-journal.fr/2013-06-10...remier-vol-jeudi-matin-575894.html


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10640 posts, RR: 30
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11876 times:

Tuesday, June 18, Scott Fancher, vice president and general manager of Airplane Development for Boeing Commercial Airplanes, will provide an overview of Boeing's twin-aisle strategy to meet future market requirements as well as an update of development progress on the 787-9, 787-10X and 777X.


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 4
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11823 times:

I'd say the A350 will make an appearance at the 50th Paris Air Show 2013  

MSN001 made the first RTO.
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3817/8995431263_825f353c1e_b.jpg

EK8413



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User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11311 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 43):
I'd say the A350 will make an appearance at the 50th Paris Air Show 2013
Yes, the chances are good.

Airbus has confirms that the A350 XWB first flight is planned for the 14th June.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11143 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 42):
Tuesday, June 18, Scott Fancher

I wonder if this will be the location for the 787-10 launch announcement.

tortugamon


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11083 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 45):
I wonder if this will be the location for the 787-10 launch announcement.

I'd be willing to bet yes. Singapore has already ordered and selected its engines. They'll do it.


User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 10859 times:

The most exciting air show of all time?

Quote:
This year the big attraction at the show will be the long awaited A350.
If all goes to plan, and weather and French air traffic controllers permitting, the plane is due to perform a fly-past at the airshow.
http://www.southwestbusiness...airbus-pares-to-fly-high-at-paris-airshow


User currently onlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 10838 times:

The 787 just arrived... BOE787 visible on FR24 at LBG


A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 10322 times:

Airbus expects orders for at least about 200 aircraft?

Quote:
"I believe that the air show next week should be good for a few hundred orders for Airbus," Tom Enders, head of Airbus' parent company EADS, was quoted by Reuters as saying.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2013-06/14/content_16623473.htm


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 10309 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 48):
The 787 just arrived... BOE787 visible on FR24 at LBG

In Qatar Airways colours!

I hope Boeing will bring the same test pilot and former fighter pilot who did those crazy stunts at Farnborough last year!

Will be there as a Boeing invitee this coming Tuesday morning!!

I can hardly wait!!!

woohooo!!!!

     



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User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 10220 times:
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Quoting Bogi (Reply 49):
Airbus expects orders for at least about 200 aircraft?

I'd say more, simply because Enders corrected himself from "a couple of hundred" to " a few hundred".


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9293 posts, RR: 25
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 10424 times:

Bloomberg is reporting that Qatar Airways will order 30 or more 787's at the Paris Air Show.


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User currently offlineslimshady From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 10162 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 6):
More, 'the sky is falling' from Teal. By now anybody with any sense knows Airbus was pretty much ready to fly the 350 in June and if they work hard enough at it, they could fly it by Paris. While it would be a huge PR event, it won't make a teeny bit of difference to any customer who usually prefers to spend their billions based on a bit more than a flyby or two...just like customers didn't leave by the droves because of the 787 grounding.

If the CSeries doesn't fly before Paris, is that a disaster for them? Oh wait, Richard is vehemently anti CSeries anyway so that's irrelevant.

Real problems and disasters like the 320 flyby accident, the 747 cargo door, 737 rudders, A380 wing cracks and the 787 batteries, didn't spell the end of any company...the 350 making it to Paris won't be the end of the 777x either.

Is the Teal group a National Inquirer subsidiary? Every quote from this guy seems like the aeronautical version of, 'Brad Pitt might be gay'.

  


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 10191 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 52):
Bloomberg is reporting that Qatar Airways will order 30 or more 787's at the Paris Air Show

A top of the 777's that AB has said he will buy. This will be very interesting.

http://www.ameinfo.com/akbar-al-baker-ceo-qatar-aiways-340919


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12362 posts, RR: 47
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9975 times:
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Quoting rotating14 (Reply 54):
A top of the 777's that AB has said he will buy. This will be very interesting.

I believe he's also been talking about additional A380s as well.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9966 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 52):
Bloomberg is reporting that Qatar Airways will order 30 or more 787's at the Paris Air Show.

Yes. It looks like it is the much talked about conversion of the 30 options. Not sure the model but my guess is that it will be mostly, if not all, -9s. They have recently said they will not be the launch customer for the -10.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-order-amid-boeing-paris-push.html

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 54):
A top of the 777's that AB has said he will buy. This will be very interesting.

I missed this news of further 777 orders. I do not think they have any additional options. Its fare to assume this will be for the 77W not the 77L.

tortugamon


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9911 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 56):
I missed this news of further 777 orders. I do not think they have any additional options. Its fare to assume this will be for the 77W not the 77L.

That's what vacation does to ya!    But, yes they will most certainly be for the 77W's.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 56):
Yes. It looks like it is the much talked about conversion of the 30 options. Not sure the model but my guess is that it will be mostly, if not all, -9s. They have recently said they will not be the launch customer for the -10.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0....html

Since, AB is known for lambasting one minute and being cozy the next, why couldnt he announce they will order ___ -10's? It's already been established that BA, Singapore, United and ALFC will be the launch clients. Why not them being the post launch clients?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30524 posts, RR: 84
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9712 times:
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In addition to ordering the 787-10X, UA is now said to be converting their A350-900 order to the A350-1000 and adding additional A350s (model unknown) per BusinessWeek.

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9588 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 57):
That's what vacation does

True. I will take that tradeoff.  
Quoting rotating14 (Reply 57):
Why not them being the post launch clients?

Could be. In Novermber AAB said that he was extremely interested in being the launch customer and now all of a sudden he is against it. Maybe it was not offered to him with Boeing already having enough launch customers. If I was Boeing I would not want to have AAB involved at the early stages of any program. Better wait until the ramp up is more predictable.

If he converts all 30 options it is hard to see how 60 frames would be spread across just the 788 and 789.

tortugamon


User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1891 posts, RR: 27
Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week ago) and read 9226 times:

I wonder why Boeing isn't bringing its 747-8i to the show...

They haven't done any flight displays as of today and even a static display would have been awesome.

I'll be there Monday and Tuesday! Anyone planning to meet, I'm all down for it  

797



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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4387 posts, RR: 76
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9057 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 50):
I hope Boeing will bring the same test pilot and former fighter pilot who did those crazy stunts at Farnborough last year!

  
Are you talking about the A380 display by Peter Chandler
A80 tesdt pilot display
because that, I agree, is reeally impressive...
as were all the displays we've seen since 1989 of the A320,319,340,330,346, 318...



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8931 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 61):
Are you talking about the A380 display by Peter Chandler
A80 tesdt pilot display
because that, I agree, is reeally impressive...
as were all the displays we've seen since 1989 of the A320,319,340,330,346, 318...

nahh... I've seen that too, of course... but...

this is what I call really impressive:

I am talking about the spectacular Qatar 787 flying display by this genius former fighter pilot - I was very lucky to be there and I saw this for real. I was put by the runway so I got me some awesome views!

This is the fabulous Farnborough 2012 Dreamliner flying display video narrated by 787 program chief test pilot Mike Carriker. I bet that test pilot would barrel roll the aircraft in no time if they let him!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRtXLXEDvNM

I love this airplane!!! What a beauty!!! So elegant and lean!!! What an airplane!!!

                    

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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4387 posts, RR: 76
Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8802 times:
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I was there, too and from a professional point of view there is nothing apart from the brutal after takeoff turn - which all 'Buses heve been doing for TWENTY-FIVE years.
No low speed pass, no nose over, no accel from a 25°nose-up / Alpha floor demo.
A beautiful airplane. A nice demo that tells me nothing about the airplane apart from a 60° bank ( which every aircraft is capable of...)
And if you call that flying of a "genius", see what Claude Lelaie - and just about any Airbus pilot - does with the A340.... and in a slightly different category, the A400M. Plenty of videos on the net.
Oh! I forgot, it's not a Seattle product ! Sorry !

Hype is OK. Fairness and objectivity are worth a lot more.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8624 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 63):
see what Claude Lelaie - and just about any Airbus pilot - does with the A340....

I was by that same runway at Farnborough in 2006 the day Claude Lelaie, the man from Aix-en-Provence (I know him in person) hard-landed the A340-600 and blew a tyre. I recon he used to do beautiful flying displays of this elegant (but not so nice to fly on 10+hrs long haul) aircraft. I have seen more than one.

I have logged in between 3 and 4 Million flown air miles on all imaginable aircraft types older and newer in my life. Call me an elitist or whatever you wish but I will say it again... Nothing compares with Concorde - which is neither a Airbus or Boeing product by the way.

As a frequent user, I'll say that all the other civilian transport flying machines are just boring airplanes.

BA Concorde & Airbus A340 At Farnborough 1996

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_qJPnIqscs

That said, I am more than happy to leave you with your A-340s

     

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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4387 posts, RR: 76
Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8371 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 64):
That said, I am more than happy to leave you with your A-340s

... my A318 /19/20/21/32/43... which all have demonstrated a lot better displays than the 787 will ever do.
Then I'm happy, too.
And no, I have never called you an elitist... It's just that my conception of an aircraft goes a bit further than the inner tube and its furnishing.
And I know enough about flying to not use hyperboles for a 45° bank turn shortly after takeoff.



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 63):
Hype is OK. Fairness and objectivity are worth a lot more.

  


Pot. Kettle.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10640 posts, RR: 30
Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8094 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 50):
In Qatar Airways colours!

No, that was the one in Air India colors.

The Qatar 787 will depart later today:

http://t.co/0qrTPtRksB



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7891 times:

Does anyone know if there will be a live feed of press releases/news conferences from the show?


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7799 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 61):
A80 tesdt pilot display
because that, I agree, is reeally impressive...

Great video. I enjoyed hearing him walk through each of the maneuvers as he is making them. Very interesting.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 62):
Farnborough 2012 Dreamliner

I prefer some of the other videos of the display but IMO it was extremely impressive. Would have loved to see it in person.

This is one of my favorite airshow videos of an Airbus aircraft (A310 in 2007; but A400M in 2010 is close):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26H-WzIe858

Quoting Pihero (Reply 63):
No low speed pass

Personally, I enjoyed seeing the touch and go instead but maybe this year they will do a low speed pass.

tortugamon


User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4387 posts, RR: 76
Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7675 times:
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Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 66):
Pot. Kettle.

An example, perhaps ?   



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7482 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 70):
An example, perhaps ?

Sure thing:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 65):
. . . which all have demonstrated a lot better displays than the 787 will ever do.

'Ever' is a very long time. Yet after just 1 demonstration, you're hell-bent on calling this out.


Personally, I really don't see the point of the whole argument. These 2 demonstration flights were intended to show two very different things: the A380's flight was intended to show how agile and maneuverable she is, despite being the largest civil airliner ever built. And she performed that role beautifully! Boeing intended, straight from Mike Carriker, to: "show the elegance and the quietness." She also did an amazing job doing that!

Again, IMO, I really don't see the point of doing flying demos of commercial airliners at Airshows. It doesn't lead to more sales. I never saw why Airbus have done them all these years, and I don't see why Boeing decided they needed to restart doing them after 28 years of not. . .

Quoting Pihero (Reply 63):
No low speed pass, no nose over, no accel from a 25°nose-up / Alpha floor demo.A beautiful airplane. A nice demo that tells me nothing about the airplane

From a commercial point of view, I do disagree. The 787's fly-over at 280kt did a much better job demonstrating the quietness of the aircraft vs. the A380's 120kt low-speed pass.

Maybe in the future, Boeing and Airbus can coordinate and perform the exact same routine. Say an A350 and a 787. Then we can really start talking apples to apples!!  


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 72, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7244 times:

Looks like I may have locked another aircraft visit this coming Tuesday!

This will be a biiiiiiiiiiiiig one!!!!

     



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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4387 posts, RR: 76
Reply 73, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6718 times:
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Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 71):
'Ever' is a very long time. Yet after just 1 demonstration, you're hell-bent on calling this out.

Sorry, Hamlet69, I did not call that one out . Someone else did, with the usual anti-A disparaging style.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 71):
These 2 demonstration flights were intended to show two very different things: the A380's flight was intended to show how agile and maneuverable she is, despite being the largest civil airliner ever built. And she performed that role beautifully! Boeing intended, straight from Mike Carriker, to: "show the elegance and the quietness."

You are probably one of the last people I would like to argue with and one I would accuse of any blatant bias. Our big difference is you are more into sales and numbers and I am into flying and the technical aspects of aviation.
That means that I disagree with your perception : the 787 demo, and I was there, was certainly not about silence. It was a very clever display to show off the lines of the 787 - which btw IMO is a beautiful airplane - and especially the curve of the wings : that meant high G load turns ( if some of them weren't at 60°, meaning 2 Gs, I'm ready to eat my cap )... Of course, in terms of aerodynamics, high G turns cannot be done at slow speeds, especially at alpha max... the flight control laws would prohibit it.
On the other hand, the A380 demo was about staying in the confines of the display - 1500 m or just under 1 sm showing off its manoeuvrability and how docile it is inside the Alpha max region. In terms of piloting, it is several degrees above what Bryant did.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 69):
Great video. I enjoyed hearing him walk through each of the maneuvers as he is making them. Very interesting.

You said it all. Very few bothered to watch it... which is just about what I expected.

So, in that Farnborough airshow, we saw two demos, both very impressive visually : one by a warrior who's about speed, acceleration and fury ( note : not noiseless ), the other by an artist dancing around in the sky. It's rock'n roll vs slow waltz. I have my preferences, but as a pilot who's done some aerobatics, the *genius* is with the artist.

Finally, if one really wants to be awed and impressed by piloting skills and daring, see this Spartan display. It leaves me mouth agape and speechless every time I see it : chandelle, flat turn, half Cuban eight, slow roll, barrel roll, 1:!2 a square dance, wingover, whifferdills... all on a transport plane ! that's flying !
C-27 Sartan flight display

[Edited 2013-06-16 08:34:20]


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User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 436 posts, RR: 2
Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 73):
Finally, if one really wants to be awed and impressed by piloting skills and daring, see this Spartan display. It leaves me mouth agape and speechless every time I see it : chandelle, flat turn, half Cuban eight, slow roll, barrel roll, 1:!2 a square dance, wingover, whifferdills... all on a transport plane ! that's flying !

Thanks for that link!


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 73):
chandelle, flat turn, half Cuban eight, slow roll, barrel roll, 1:!2 a square dance, wingover, whifferdills... all on a transport plane !

It is not a Boeing (or substitute Airbus if that is your bias) aircraft so I don't care  . I am not sure how much they may have cut from that video but it appeared to me anyway that he did some of the most outrageous maneuvers I have seen on a non-fighter plane and all within a tiny viewing area. Only 27k hits ;(. Thank you for posting.

Quick question about the show. I understand Monday through Wednesday are probably the best days to go but it really does not open up to the public until Friday. Is Friday-Sunday that much different/worse than the previous days? Is there a lot less going on or less aircraft on display? Thanks in advance. I am thinking about making it a long weekend  .

tortugamon


User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4387 posts, RR: 76
Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6193 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 75):
Quick question about the show.

The pro days are an opportunity to have an unrushed visit of the exhibitions : getting infos and brochures and CD / DVDs from the companies there . The exhibitors are helpful and informative ; it's a great way to be acquainted with the end of technology.
On *public*days, this will be not so easy : staff is harrassed by fans wanting a souvenir : stickers and patches and magazines... etc.. To get a technical answer is about close to impossible.

Remains the static display which is comprehensive ; check the official site Le Bourget 50th
The calendar will give you the fligfht display program for each day, the Airplanes a list of the static one.
You'll see that the 787, the A400M and the A380 will be flying. As the airshow runs like clockwork, be sure to have a nice viewing spot - The best are either the terrace of the Museum restaurant (if you're rich or lucky ) or the end of the static display by gate 52.

The airshow is basically the same whether on trade or public days.
I'll be there on Wednesday and I'll meet some A.nutters on Saturday.

(edit) : Sunday is a baaaaaaaaaaaad idea except for impressing the chicks with your knowledge of aviation and your cool Dassault - or TopGun - leather jacket and aviator's sunglasses  biggrin 

[Edited 2013-06-16 14:57:00]


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User currently offlineStressedOut From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5963 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 73):
Sorry, Hamlet69, I did not call that one out . Someone else did, with the usual anti-A disparaging style.

Not sure what you mean by this......as you did write:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 65):
my A318 /19/20/21/32/43... which all have demonstrated a lot better displays than the 787 will ever do.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3733 posts, RR: 11
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 71):
The 787's fly-over at 280kt did a much better job demonstrating the quietness of the aircraft vs. the A380's 120kt low-speed pass.

Not to weigh in in this 'what's the best flight display' thing (I counldn't care less), but technically speaking, a jetliner flying 280kts, clean, at sea level will be using less power than flying 120 kts, in landing config, way at the back of the drag curve... All else being the same, I would expect the slower one to be much louder, even accounting for aerodynamic noise.



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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4387 posts, RR: 76
Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5533 times:
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Quoting StressedOut (Reply 77):
Not sure what you mean by this......as you did write:
Quoting Pihero (Reply 65):
my A318 /19/20/21/32/43... which all have demonstrated a lot better displays than the 787 will ever do.

Your technique is called *selective quoting*. The argument started with this :

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 62):
This is the fabulous Farnborough 2012 Dreamliner flying display video narrated by 787 program chief test pilot Mike Carriker. I bet that test pilot would barrel roll the aircraft in no time if they let him!

To which I responded with this :

Quoting Pihero (Reply 63):
I was there, too and from a professional point of view there is nothing apart from the brutal after takeoff turn - which all 'Buses heve been doing for TWENTY-FIVE years.
No low speed pass, no nose over, no accel from a 25°nose-up / Alpha floor demo.
A beautiful airplane. A nice demo that tells me nothing about the airplane apart from a 60° bank ( which every aircraft is capable of...)

and...

Quoting Pihero (Reply 63):
And if you call that flying of a "genius", see what Claude Lelaie - and just about any Airbus pilot - does with the A340....
Quoting Pihero (Reply 63):
And if you call that flying of a "genius", see what Claude Lelaie - and just about any Airbus pilot - does with the A340.... and in a slightly different category, the A400M. Plenty of videos on the net.
Oh! I forgot, it's not a Seattle product ! Sorry !

End of - pointless, I agree - argument, after the usual Concorde reference :

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 64):
I am more than happy to leave you with your A-340s
Quoting Pihero (Reply 65):
... my A318 /19/20/21/32/43... which all have demonstrated a lot better displays than the 787 will ever do.
Then I'm happy, too.

Not exactly what you thought, was it ?

Quoting francoflier (Reply 78):
technically speaking, a jetliner flying 280kts, clean, at sea level will be using less power than flying 120 kts, in landing config, way at the back of the drag curve... All else being the same, I would expect the slower one to be much louder, even accounting for aerodynamic noise.

Problem is that you are assuming.
Take the two displays at Farnborough, compare the noise levels with the commentator's on loud speakers. See which aircraft can cover the blurb.
You might be surprised if you just bothered to watch... which you haven't , obviously.



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User currently offlineholzmann From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

BBC is reporting that the Airbus A380 demo ac had a collision with a building and clipped its starboard sharklet:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13853548


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10640 posts, RR: 30
Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

Look at the date of that video.


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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3733 posts, RR: 11
Reply 82, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 79):
Take the two displays at Farnborough, compare the noise levels with the commentator's on loud speakers. See which aircraft can cover the blurb.
You might be surprised if you just bothered to watch... which you haven't , obviously.

On se calme...

I have honestly no idea what you're on about or the point you're trying to make... I must have missed something?

[Edited 2013-06-17 05:47:05]


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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4387 posts, RR: 76
Reply 83, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4933 times:
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Nul n'est pire sourd que celui qui ne veut entendre.
'twas a response to your previous assumption, (which I quoted btw)



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 84, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

BA's A380 taxiing and about to go fly... live feed:
http://event.airbus.com/airshows/bourget2013/home/


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 85, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 84):
BA's A380 taxiing and about to go fly... live feed:
http://event.airbus.com/airshows/bourget2013/home/

End of the webcast
Next webcast tomorrow

  

I missed it!

 Wow!

I will be at Le Bourget tomorrow so I will see the BA Big Bird doing rounds up in the air for real!!

Airbus pilot in charge this air show: Christophe Cail.

     



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3733 posts, RR: 11
Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 83):
'twas a response to your previous assumption,

Still in the blur here... What was wrong about that 'assumption'?



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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4387 posts, RR: 76
Reply 87, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4652 times:
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The quietest one isn't the one you thought of ; Proof : on its passes, its noise covered the announcer's comments... the bigger one, with an extra two engines and low speeds did not.
Followed the displays today :
the 78 presentation is a lot calmer than the one at Farn last year... and yes, it's very very quiet.
I'll tell you more on Wed evening, and on Sat, I'll have two more witnesses, among the most respected ones on this site.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 88, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 76):
leather jacket and aviator's sunglasses

Thanks for the insight Pihero.

tortugamon


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3733 posts, RR: 11
Reply 89, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 87):
The quietest one isn't the one you thought of

I never said I thought the 787 was quieter. I was replying Hamlet69's post who seemed to state that a fast aircraft will be louder than a slow one, which is not true.

If the A380 was factually the quietest of both low passes, then all the better for it. Not that I would know or care.



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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

Quoting holzmann (Reply 80):
BBC is reporting that the Airbus A380 demo ac had a collision with a building and clipped its starboard sharklet:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-1...53548

That happened 2 years ago, 2011.


User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 90):
Quoting holzmann (Reply 80):
BBC is reporting that the Airbus A380 demo ac had a collision with a building and clipped its starboard sharklet:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-1...53548

That happened 2 years ago, 2011.

Either he was in a time warp or he just came back from Mars.  



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 92, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

Choppy video of today's A380 demonstration:

Take off is at 4:45 ish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBpButcpbiQ&feature=youtu.be

tortugamon


User currently offlineatnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

The manuvers of the BA A380 are great... Airbus sure puts a great show! Seeing that beast behaving the way it does is amazing.. No matter what is as said about the A380, nothing beats it to give the WOW factor for a commercial aircraft... Would love to see if the B787 can do a similar display...

I have a question, when will BA finally get their a380 delivered? Will it be at the show or afterwards?



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 94, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

Quoting atnight (Reply 93):
when will BA finally get their a380 delivered?

The latest I have heard is July 4th.

tortugamon


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 92):
Choppy video of today's A380 demonstration:

Take off is at 4:45 ish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBpButcpbiQ&feature=youtu.be

tortugamon

Anybody know what the "29" on the nose means?


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 96, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

Just seen on a spotters forum while looking for news of today's displays:

Breaking news:
According to a fan who followed the frequency of Bourget and the demo, LBG almost attend a crash. The AN-70 has indeed steal a moment too low and the crash was not far. The tower would have shouted "too low, too low!"
AN-70 maybe can not fly tomorrow.

BREAKING NEWS :
D'après un fan qui suivait la fréquence du Bourget ainsi que les représentations en vol, LBG a faillit assister à un crash. L'AN-70 a en effet voler à un moment trop bas et le crash n'était pas loin. La tour lui aurait crié "too low, too low !" L'AN pourrait ne pas voler demain.

hmmm....

http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.p...d01cf706bcc985f20ae2344dd&start=60

A good thing they did not crash. Can you imagine the mess?
I would rather not see this Antonov flying and see the rest of the flying displays in good order and without delays.

  



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 97, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3924 times:

Quoting Focker (Reply 95):
Anybody know what the "29" on the nose means?

It is MSN095 - Airbus' internal ordering system. That probably gets removed before delivery.

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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4387 posts, RR: 76
Reply 98, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3926 times:
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Quoting Focker (Reply 95):
Anybody know what the "29" on the nose means?

A PAS code number



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User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 97):
It is MSN095 - Airbus' internal ordering system. That probably gets removed before delivery.

tortugamon

29 = 95 ?   

 


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 100, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

RT

UFO over Paris? Unique Russian 4++ gen fighter to debut at Paris Air Show

Russia’s Sukhoi is ready to rock the 50th Paris Air Show at Le Bourget with the premiere of its cutting-edge Su-35 fighter. Super-maneuverable even for a Sukhoi, the Su-35 has been dubbed the “UFO” for its outstanding maneuverability.

read more:
http://rt.com/news/bourget-russian-su-35-fighter-792/

This is a flying display I really want to see!

     



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 101, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting Focker (Reply 99):

woah. copied and pasted wrong. oops.  

tortugamon


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 102, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

I had a fabulous day at the air show. I received royal treatment by both Airbus and Boeing.

The Sukhoi 35 flying display is really hairy! These Russians always put on a spectacular show!

Qatar 787 on static. Air India (not delivered yet) 787 being used for the flying displays.

The British Airways A380 is beautiful. The whole interiors are a true class act in all three classes of service.

I heard the 737 MAX was going to be there tomorrow. The A350 might possibly do a quick flyover on Friday or Saturday or Sunday depending on the weather and other factors.

Today was the biggest day for the trade show. I got to catch glimpses of some interesting conversation from clients. I hope both constructors will do good sales.

  



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10640 posts, RR: 30
Reply 103, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 102):
I heard the 737 MAX was going to be there tomorrow.

I assume some sort of mockup?  



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User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 104, posted (1 year 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

And the show was successful?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30524 posts, RR: 84
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Quoting Bogi (Reply 104):
And the show was successful?

It was for Airbus and Boeing.      


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Reply 106, posted (1 year 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2832 times:
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I went to the airshow yesterday to meet with two friends.
Weather was borderline awful but it didn't matter in the end as I could take a few pictures.
Woke uop very early, left home at 7:15 to drive to the Villepinte park. Arrived there at a quarter to eight, took the first bus shuttle to the airshow and arrived at the gate early and was among the very first to get in .

Friends at PAS :

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j261/Pihero/IMG_3928.jpg[/URL]

In spite of the weather that was more for frogs than birds, the crowd was dense. Getting into the exhibitions was very difficult so we concentrated on new engines and some test equipment, especially the torture bench for fatigue and extreme loads tests.
The static display outside was as usual great. Lost some time as my son wanted to see the Parrot AR drone ballet ( see it on youtube...) and I wanted to have a look at the Falcon 7X.

Then the air display, at times with low ceilings and some drizzle... the classics first :

The A380, which started with a 45° climb and went quickly into the clouds to reappear and fly the still incredibly impressive routine of low speed and acceleration. The maneuverability of that big thing never ceases to amaze.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j261/Pihero/IMG_3870.jpg

Then the A400M, even more agile in a brighter sky :

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j261/Pihero/IMG_3889.jpg

The Antonov AN70, which took off, climbed to 1500 ft.....and came back to land... a bit of a disappointment

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j261/Pihero/IMG_3992.jpg

Then a sequence of nostalgia
with the red bull P-38L

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j261/Pihero/IMG_4030.jpg

the Breitling Super Constellation

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j261/Pihero/IMG_3990.jpg

Don't I love the flaming exhausts of these R-3350 engines !

Then a spirited demo of the Rafale (two in fact), a very visually compelling ballet of two Tiger helicopters...
and finally the incredible astonishing awe-inspiring, mouth-agape causing, improbable demo of the Sukhoy SU-35M

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j261/Pihero/IMG_4066.jpg

Truly the definite "last" of the gunfighters.

A very entertaining - although a bit wet - day at PAS 2013.

Hope you enjoyed this quick little report

[Edited 2013-06-23 19:17:35]

[Edited 2013-06-23 19:22:19]

[Edited 2013-06-23 19:22:59]


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User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 107, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

One of the most beautiful photos
http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1371815975_A350_XWB_Fly_over_03.jpg
http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...during-its-debut-le-bourget-fly-by


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