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Scandinavian Aviation 2013 - Part 2  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 38995 times:
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Due to length of the previous thread Scandinavian Aviation 2013 - Part 1 (by Someone83 Jan 3 2013 in Civil Aviation), part two has been started and part one archived. Please feel free to continue the discussion here.

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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 38777 times:

To continue the discussion in part one, the traffic figures for the three big Scandinavian in April was as follows:

CPH: 1.962.190
OSL: 1.889.018
ARN: 1.689.720


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 38654 times:

Seems like Norwegian is expanding their Alicante base in the coming winter. In addition to increased flights and new destinations to Scandinavia, Finland and LGW, they also intend to start operations to MUC, HAM, CGN

User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 38493 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 2):
Seems like Norwegian is expanding their Alicante base in the coming winter.

Actually they are expanding from more airports then just Alicante

Hamburg-Malaga, 3 weekly
Hamburg-Alicante 3 weekly
Hamburg-Gran Canaria, 2 weekly
Hamburg-Tenerife, 2 weekly


Köln-Malaga, 3 weekly
Köln-Alicante, 2 weekly
Köln-Gran Canaria, 2 weekly
Köln-Tenerife, 2 weekly

München-Malaga, 2 weekly
München -Alicante, 2 weekly
München -Tenerife, 2 weekly

I thought Air Berlin had all this covered, will be interesting to see how this works out

Norwegian is also adding more flights to Norway from Tenerife, altough I can't find the schedule right now.


User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 38198 times:

Vueling's inaugural flight to OSL from BCN landed 20 minutes ago. Judging from the number of people disembarking the flight coming in was about half full.

Those of us lucky enough to be on the first flight out this afternoon are enjoying refreshments at gate 47A. 


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 38156 times:

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 4):
Vueling's inaugural flight to OSL from BCN landed 20 minutes ago. Judging from the number of people disembarking the flight coming in was about half full.

Those of us lucky enough to be on the first flight out this afternoon are enjoying refreshments at gate 47A.


In 69 pax.
Out 167 pax.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 38091 times:

A few months after SAS re-started to give frequent flyer points to corporate customer, the government of Norway have decided to scrap the old ban on frequent flyer bonus points on domestic routes

User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 37973 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 6):

A few months after SAS re-started to give frequent flyer points to corporate customer, the government of Norway have decided to scrap the old ban on frequent flyer bonus points on domestic routes

SAS says its a good day for the consumers, but the major part of Norwegians are flying between 1 and 5 times each year so I doubt it will affect the competition so much as DY fear. The ban was needed in 2002, but I think its time to move on.


User currently offlineDC9super80 From Denmark, joined May 2013, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 37874 times:

Seems like flight SK403 Arlanda-Copenhagen on the 26th Oct will be the last ever SAS MD80 fligth in revenue service.

It is already sold out, i was just able to get one of the last seats 

Article only in danish

http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.cfm?nNewsArticleID=76542


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 37635 times:

Norwegian is expanding their spanish route-network to Scandinavia from this autumn. Apart from the german routes they have also added the following routes
Alicante -Turku eff late OCT13 1 weekly

Tenerife South – Bergen eff 30OCT13 1 weekly
Tenerife South – Oslo Rygge eff 30OCT13 1 weekly
Tenerife South – Oulu eff 30OCT13 1 weekly
Tenerife South – Trondheim eff 28OCT13 1 weekly

Norwegian already operates Tenerife to OSL and TRF in their winter-program. They are also converting Alicante-Tromsø and Alicante-Aalborg to year round service. Both Rygge and Torp will then have two weekly round-trips since Tenerife was introduced by Ryanair from both destinations some weeks ago.

I wonder if they have enough aircrafts, or if you can see this in light of Norwegian threatning to reduce flights to the "smaller" cities in Norway.

This just prooves that norwegians are tired of the crappy weather we have throughout the winter   


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 37282 times:

Widerøe will start a twice weekly (Fri/Sun) MOL-CPH from September 1, using Q400. This also implies an increase frequency on their BGO-MOL route

According to the press release, the intention is to increase the frequency on MOL-CPH from Spring 2014


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 37004 times:

With the inagural flights for Easyjet (LGW-BGO) and Vueling (BCN-OSL and BCN-BGO, they started BCN-SVG last year), the question is then what more we'll see from these airlines in Norway?

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 36912 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 11):
With the inagural flights for Easyjet (LGW-BGO) and Vueling (BCN-OSL and BCN-BGO, they started BCN-SVG last year), the question is then what more we'll see from these airlines in Norway?

I think U2 may think about serving Østlandet... possibly RYG although they tend to prefer main airports so possibly OSL?

I thought maybe they would serve SVG but the London to Stavanger route is pretty saturated as it is with SK, BA and DY. I guess there are possibilities that U2 could set up from other European hubs.

I think there is room for expansion at TRD too as it is quite a regional hub for mid-Norway and even parts of Western Sweden.



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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 36719 times:

There wont be any new significant presence until more slots are available.
Except for new carriers flying in and out around midday, little will happen before 2017.

There where talks about releasing 4-6 new slots pr hour from next summer. However it looks like its on hold until the new terminal is complete.

Easyjet have exciting plans for OSL but it ain't capacity available yet.

In Norway, Gardermoen, Flesland, Sola and Kirkenes are slot restricted.


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 36556 times:

Will be interesting to see how U2 performs from BGO as DY already have 12 weekly and BA have 14 weekly departures. For a weekend-trip to London DY have an advantage with flights leaving 09.15 while U2 competes with the late evening departure with DY while BA have a departure around 8pm. I don't think its a market from BGO with 3 operators to London, we have had that before and it ended up with SK pulling out of the market..

User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7832 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 36474 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 6):
A few months after SAS re-started to give frequent flyer points to corporate customer, the government of Norway have decided to scrap the old ban on frequent flyer bonus points on domestic routes

But of course the oinks in the Govt want to work out how to tax points on business travel.

I wonder if Norwegian will also improve their program, I know I'll never fly Norwegian again now that I can get domestic points on SAS, Norwegian will have to do something or they will loose a lot of business customers.


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 36200 times:

For those who are interested, a busy Korean day at OSL this weekend.

Today, Asiana are in and out with two aircraft.
Tomorrow Korean Air Cargo will arrive together with the first Korean Air Charter.
The latter planned with a 777-200.

OT: Qatar will also increase their cargo operations from OSL this summer to two weekly departures.


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 36190 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 15):
But of course the oinks in the Govt want to work out how to tax points on business travel.

I wonder if Norwegian will also improve their program, I know I'll never fly Norwegian again now that I can get domestic points on SAS, Norwegian will have to do something or they will loose a lot of business customers.

Norwegian expands "Norwegian Reward" to domestic travels where you earn 2% of the amount payed on regular tickets while you get 10% on the flex-tickets. Only time will tell how this affects DY. I try to avoid SK/* Alliance as much as possible but that is just my personal preferences.


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1019 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 36156 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 17):
I try to avoid SK/* Alliance as much as possible but that is just my personal preferences.

Why? If you're travelling internationally DY's reward programme does not compare to the advantages of what *A can give you ie lounge access, extra luggage with *A carriers etc.

Another thing is if you travel a lot, you are bound to experience delays or cancellations once in a while. It just happens. I don't have much faith in DY when it comes to rebooking-options. IMO there just isn't the same flexibility as with SK.



Future flights: CPH-BKK-MNL; MNL-GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL-LAX
User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7832 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 36098 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 17):
Norwegian expands "Norwegian Reward" to domestic travels where you earn 2% of the amount payed on regular tickets while you get 10% on the flex-tickets.

Which isn't very good.

Quoting invaders (Reply 17):
Only time will tell how this affects DY.

I understand that SK will have a domestic lounge in operation by the end of the year and will also allow fast track for domestic flights. Both those benefits will pull a lot of Norwegian travellers back to SK.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 36050 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 19):
I understand that SK will have a domestic lounge in operation by the end of the year and will also allow fast track for domestic flights.

Now, that is something that I've been waiting for. Too bad that for the first time in 8 years, I might not requalify for Star Gold....

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 35985 times:

When EK launched ARN I thought to myself it's only a matter of time before DY cuts their ARN-DXB to only one weekly (just like from CPH), or cut the whole route.

Now, I can't seem to find any of the three weekly flights on their website. CPH/OSL-DXB are bookable though.

/Alex



I don't fly to live, I live to fly...
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 35959 times:

Avinor is improving the incentive schemes for intercontinental routes. Start up rebates will be increased from three two five years, and the rates will be slightly higher. In addition, new intercontinental routes can get both start up rebates and passenger growth bonus

User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 35937 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 22):

Avinor is improving the incentive schemes for intercontinental routes. Start up rebates will be increased from three two five years, and the rates will be slightly higher. In addition, new intercontinental routes can get both start up rebates and passenger growth bonus


I guess most people now can figure out whom and the case that brought Avinor to finally realise that they needed to do something......

OSL will now have a similar structure as CPH and ARN.
Fees will still be higher than offered from CPH, but it's one step in the right direction.
The rigid discount system is unchanged and will still favor existing carriers on already served destination.

The other part with market support and assets allocated for attracting new carriers will not improve.
This is what is needed to secure more services.


User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 35934 times:

SAS have decided to move their HQ again.

This time they will move back to their old office at Frödundavik in Solna from their
current offices at ARN. They say that the cost at ARN are to high-

http://www.svd.se/naringsliv/bransch...lbaka-sitt-huvudkontor_8205776.svd



Like a thunderbolt of lightning the Dragon roars across the sky. Il Drago Ruggente
User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 36217 times:

Now finally confirmed.

Thai will boosts capacity by almost 25% by switching 777-200 to 747-400 from 27OCT13 on BKK-OSL.
The service will still operate daily. Together with Norwegian, this will almost double the capacity to BKK next winter.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/05/24/tg-w13update1/


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 36091 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 21):
When EK launched ARN I thought to myself it's only a matter of time before DY cuts their ARN-DXB to only one weekly (just like from CPH), or cut the whole route.

Now, I can't seem to find any of the three weekly flights on their website. CPH/OSL-DXB are bookable though.

/Alex

The DXB-route is just in their winter-program. Just checked norwegian.no and they have 3x weekly from both ARN and OSL while they have one weekly from CPH. Starting 1st week of october from CPH and ARN while OSL starts the last day of september.


User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 36438 times:

I'm aware that it is just seasonal, but check November and onwards. OSL/CPH is bookable, ARN is not.


I don't fly to live, I live to fly...
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 36349 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 25):
Thai will boosts capacity by almost 25% by switching 777-200 to 747-400 from 27OCT13 on BKK-OSL.
The service will still operate daily. Together with Norwegian, this will almost double the capacity to BKK next winter.

Do Thai still have their ancient configured 747's that they were (or still are?) using on CPH and ARN? I made sure to avoid them, but don't know if I'll have to avoid BKK-OSL for the same reason (which would be very unfortunate for me).

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 36311 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 28):
Do Thai still have their ancient configured 747's that they were (or still are?) using on CPH and ARN? I made sure to avoid them, but don't know if I'll have to avoid BKK-OSL for the same reason (which would be very unfortunate for me).

From what I've heard, that wont be an issue as the last 744 will be upgraded intime to the W14/14 season starting 27OCT13.


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 36292 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 27):

I'm aware that it is just seasonal, but check November and onwards. OSL/CPH is bookable, ARN is not.

Dont know where u looking but just checked an arbitrary date in Jan and found direct tickets

http://www.norwegian.no/fly/lavpris/...ntainPrice=1058&tracker=TTContinue


User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 35976 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 30):
Dont know where u looking but just checked an arbitrary date in Jan and found direct tickets

Must have been a temporary fault on their website. I checked and doublechecked searching through the whole winterseason and even had others check it. Nonstops were not available (except October).
But thanks for checking it out again to clear it up.



I don't fly to live, I live to fly...
User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 35614 times:

Flynonstops routes from Kristiansand to Berlin and Paris is cancelled for the summer while the route to Parma is reduced down to one weekly on fridays. Reports are that Fly Nonstop are taking on huge losses on the routes to Berlin and Paris, but promise to bring them back when the summer is over.

I give this company a year, max.

Source: http://www.nrk.no/sorlandet/ma-kutte-ruter-etter-ein-manad-1.11047630


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 35457 times:

Some fleet developments:

Norwegian:
- The first of two A340-300s leased from HiFly as a temporarily 787 substitute arrived in OSL today, to begin their first long haul flight in a few days
- LN-NID, their next 737-800 (leased) is nearing delivery from Seattla and should be delivered shortly

SAS
- LN-RGG, their next (leased) 737-800 will be delivered from the Boeing factory today
- SE-RJU, a used (leased) 737-700 will shortly arrive the SAS fleet. This is a former Astraus/Sterling aircraft


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 35285 times:

http://airlineroute.net/2013/05/29/dy-oslagp-aug13/

As per 29MAY13 GDS inventory display, Norwegian in August 2013 is to operate Boeing 787 aircraft on a number of intra-European service, before entering long-haul operation in the end of August 2013.

At time this post goes to press, Oslo – Malaga service on 01AUG13 and 04AUG13 is displaying Boeing 787 operation on one-way basis.
DY1800 OSL0700 – 1110AGP 788 01AUG13/04AUG13


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1019 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 35258 times:

According to Check-in.dk SAS will sign for new long haul planes later this year, but delivery won't be in the near future.

Wonder what they will be going for and in what quantity. The a358 might be too big for SAS. New A330's with increased MTOW could also be an option.

http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.c...?nNewsArticleID=77254#.UaWwk9IweSo



Future flights: CPH-BKK-MNL; MNL-GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL-LAX
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 35157 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 35):
The a358 might be too big for SAS

To small, and the same applies to the 787-8 according to SAS. It will either be 787-9 or 350-900

SAS doesn't have problem filling their long haul seats, but have some issues with their cost and product


User currently offlinejox From Sweden, joined Jan 2003, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 34947 times:
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Does anybody know of where to find a (fairly up-to-date) list of which of the SK airplanes that are WiFi equipped?

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 34947 times:

Quoting jox (Reply 37):
Does anybody know of where to find a (fairly up-to-date) list of which of the SK airplanes that are WiFi equipped?

Don't have the list, but it is 10 of the 737-800s that has been reconfirgured. SAS has put the rollout of wifi on hold as they're not satisfied with its performance and realibility, but AFAIK Panansonic is working to come up with a solution. But until then, no new planes will get wifi, and it is often not working in those planes that has it installed


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3772 posts, RR: 13
Reply 39, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 34754 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 35):
The a358 might be too big for SAS.

They'll probably order it then.     

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 34724 times:

Will the new Thai 747-400 service from OSL-BKK mean that OSL has more capacity than the CPH-BKK route, which has gone to to a 77W?

Also, I guess it is the first scheduled 744 passenger service to OSL?



Next Flights: LCY-DUB (E70), DUB-LHR (319), LHR-PHL (772), PHL-LAX (321), LAX-HNL (752), HNL-LAX (752), LAX-LHR (388)
User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 34680 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 40):
Will the new Thai 747-400 service from OSL-BKK mean that OSL has more capacity than the CPH-BKK route, which has gone to to a 77W?

Also, I guess it is the first scheduled 744 passenger service to OSL?


Both ARN and CPH will have more flights than OSL with Thai next winter, so the answer is no.
9 weekly ARN/CPH (2 via Phuket) and 7 weekly from OSL.

However both ARN and OSL will have more seats to BKK than CPH in total, when DY starts up with their 3 weekly.


User currently offlineseansasLCY From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 34585 times:

Flynonstop have announced their winter programme:

"New destinations from 28 October:
Stockholm: Tue, Thu and Sun
Dublin: Thu and Sun
Alicante: Sat

From January 2014:
Manchester: Mon and Fri
St. Gallen: Wed and Sat from Kristiansand and Ålesund

In addition, the winter program as follows:

London: Mon, Wed, Thu and Sun
Paris: Thu and Sun

In Palma we have extended the season through September and Dubrovnik through October."
from Flynonstop Facebook page.


User currently offlinearn777 From Sweden, joined Jul 2010, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 34494 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 41):

And TG will most likely continue to use the 744 to OSL on a daily basis also S14.

It wasn't a long time ago we hardly thought TG could fill a 3w 772 to OSL winter only. I guess we were very wrong... 


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 34410 times:

Quoting arn777 (Reply 43):
And TG will most likely continue to use the 744 to OSL on a daily basis also S14.It wasn't a long time ago we hardly thought TG could fill a 3w 772 to OSL winter only. I guess we were very wrong...


You are absolutely right. It also says a lot of the potential for new carriers beyond Thai to Asia from OSL.

On the other hand, its important to know that the Thai market didn't explode overnight with twice the numbers of seats expected to be sold. This is as much a strategic move as it's to cope with increasing demand. Some airports use such strategic moves by airlines to boost their own market potential and awareness externally to attract even more carriers, however I think OSL are for once doing it right by keeping it low and in the hands of the airlines. It's dangerous to be tempted by thinking that the marked must be a hit just because two carriers are scaling up against each other.

Similar moves are seen by many airport and airlines especially on intra European services, but rarely lasts more than a season when the woons are cleaned up and the revenue management are summarising the battle.

TG's OSL service has for long brought far less capacity than the actual demand to/from OSL-BKK, so an increase should not come as any surprise. I wish them both the best of luck and I know they both will suceed!


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 34372 times:

DY7001, Norwegian's inagural OSL-JFK (using a leased HiFly 340-300 due to the 787 delays) will shortly depart OSL. After arriving JFK, the aircraft will fly JFK-ARN to start Norwegian's ARN-JFK service. OSL-BKK and ARN-BKK start in a few day, although with a rather limited frequency untill the second aircraft is in traffic late June

At the same time the expansion of OSL goes forward and the main change for the passengers from today is that the five middle gates (28, 30, 32, 34 and 36) will close to enable the building of the north pier. At the same time the new taxiway will open together with 5 or 6 new remote stand, to temporarily replace the lost gate capacity. So prepare for more bussing when travelling from OSL the next 4,5 years


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 34320 times:

Now that it's official!

Norwegian ads a fourth weekly rotation from OSL to JFK from 29NOV13.

More to come.....

[Edited 2013-05-30 10:01:14]

User currently offlineArmchairCEO From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 7 posts, RR: 6
Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 34324 times:

Great news! SK/VX interline agreement in effect! What a great complement to SK's USA ports of call!

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 34263 times:

Quoting ArmchairCEO (Reply 47):

Now that is a step up. So now they offer onward domestic fights on UA, AA and VX. More is better!



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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 34225 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 40):
Also, I guess it is the first scheduled 744 passenger service to OSL

I thought Thai had used their 744's on OSl before. Long time ago thoguh. ..Before they started using their A340 aand B777's ?


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 34215 times:

They used a mix of 340-600 and 747-400 on peak Saturdays.

User currently offlinearn777 From Sweden, joined Jul 2010, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 34029 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 46):
Norwegian ads a fourth weekly rotation from OSL to JFK from 29NOV13.

Great news to see an increase already and even for the winter schedule.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 33952 times:

Danish JetTime has taken over one of SAS 737-400s, LN-BRI. Although it would only be for some month as the aircraft soon needs a heavy check is is likely to head for the scrapper instead

http://www.flickr.com/photos/65309169@N00/8901668997/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/65309169@N00/8841278008/

With LN-BRI leaving the fleet, SAS is now down to one 737-400 in their fleet, together with five 737-500. So not many 737-classics left


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 33540 times:

So I just wrapped up "hvordan styrte et flyselskap" written by the Swedish journalist Richard Björnelid. Anyone else who have read this book? The Norwegian translation is extremely poor and some factual errors like "SK closed OSL-EWR in 2003 and did not re-open it before 10 years later" made me wonder if this book is legit at all. I find some of the content very hard to belive, but I could be wrong

User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 33396 times:

Delta have resumed their direct flights between JFK and ARN. Delta uses their 757-200 for this route.

http://www.swedavia.se/arlanda/om-st...baka-pa-stockholm-arlanda-airport/



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User currently offlinearn777 From Sweden, joined Jul 2010, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 33110 times:

AF plans SVG-CDG takkng a pice of the lucrative offshore traffic.

http://www.aftenposten.no/okonomi/Ai...n-pa-oljerute-i-Norge-7221674.html

I am not suprised being able to to offer connections to IAH, GIG, SIN++ even if CDG is not an ideal tranfer airport.

Now SAS needs to react and start IAH maybe in combo with OSL.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32939 times:

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 54):

Delta have resumed their direct flights between JFK and ARN. Delta uses their 757-200 for this route.

http://www.swedavia.se/arlanda/om-st...baka-pa-stockholm-arlanda-airport/


Wasn't it a 767 last summer?



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User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32933 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 56):
Wasn't it a 767 last summer?

It seems that you are correct:

Quote:
Linjen kommer att trafikeras med en Boeing 767-300 med plats för 209 passagerare.

http://www.affarsresenaren.se/artike...holm-arlanda-och-new-york-jfk/3617



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32941 times:

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 57):
Quoting B747forever (Reply 56):
Wasn't it a 767 last summer?

It seems that you are correct:

Quote:
Linjen kommer att trafikeras med en Boeing 767-300 med plats för 209 passagerare.

http://www.affarsresenaren.se/artike...holm-arlanda-och-new-york-jfk/3617

Yet they are downgrading it to a 757 even though the load factor was 92% last summer.



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User currently offlinearn777 From Sweden, joined Jul 2010, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 32782 times:

Double posted. Please delete.

[Edited 2013-06-06 00:47:12]

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 32713 times:

Here are some more details of Norwegians inter-European 787 services.

They will fly on European Routes from the 4th of July to the 4th of August on the following services.

OSL-AGP-OSL DY1800/1801 on Tue/Wed/Thu/Sun
OSL-AGP-OSL DY1806/1807 on Sat
OSL-LGW-OSL DY1310/1311 on Thu/Sun
OSL-ALC-OSL DY1790/1791 on Mon/Fri
OSL-BCN-OSL DY1742/1747 on Mon/Fri
OSL-NCE-OSL DY1406/1409 on Tue/Wed
OSL-NCE-OSL DY1402/1403 on Sat

So, going by these schedules, the inaugural DY 787 service should be on the morning flight from OSL to AGP, unless DY announce some sort of special flight before this (which wouldn't surprise me, as the early morning flight to AGP isn't great for PR).

Nice to see a variety of destinations.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 61, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 32358 times:

Seems like Qatar plans to change equipment on their Scandinavian routes from A330 to 787. ARN from Aug 1, and OSL and CPH from Sep 1


And LN-RLE, another SAS MD82, was sent to the scrapper today

[Edited 2013-06-10 04:53:48]

User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4069 posts, RR: 33
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 32092 times:

I don't know if you read the BA B787 threads, but it seems very likely that the BA780/1 B767 will be substituted by a B787 for while. No dates announced yet, but around end of July and August. This will be after the pilot training in Manston, and before the start of flights to North America.

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 32003 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 61):
Seems like Qatar plans to change equipment on their Scandinavian routes from A330 to 787. ARN from Aug 1, and OSL and CPH from Sep 1

They are also renumbering the flights.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 31842 times:

Does anyone know anything more about DY812's emergency landing at ARN today?


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 31717 times:

Apparently just a faulty lamp giving a warning

User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 31634 times:

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 64):
Does anyone know anything more about DY812's emergency landing at ARN today?

According to Michael Robertson at flygövervakningssajten Flightradar24 the plane landed on runway 08. It is used very rarely due to bullerrestriktioner.– Other planes got to circulate while it had to go down to the track. What I do know was that two-three years ago, a plane landed there last time, "he said.

Is it really used that rarely?



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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4069 posts, RR: 33
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 31460 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 66):
Is it really used that rarely?

Yes. In normal operations with all runways useable, 08 is never used for landing (and 26 never used for take offs).
But when the main runway is closed for maintenance, and the wind blows the wrong way, it gets used. In my 25 years at ARN I have once taken off on 26, but never landed on 08, but I have seen a lot of aircraft land on 08, a few years ago when the other runways were closed for maint in July.

So yes a very rare event.
p.s. ther are no landing aids either.


User currently offlineDC9super80 From Denmark, joined May 2013, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 31375 times:

Since when did Air Canada start using the A330-300 on the CPH-YYZ route ?

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 31344 times:

Quoting DC9super80 (Reply 68):
Since when did Air Canada start using the A330-300 on the CPH-YYZ route ?

They're doing it during the peak season this summer


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 31273 times:

I landed on 08 once about 10 years ago when 1L/19R was closed on a flight from UME. Was quite a strange sensation actually!

Also, I have landed on on 22R at CPH before, which is very unusual. Again, very strange as it takes you very close to the terminal buildings on final approach.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 71, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 31193 times:

SAS is hinting at Instagram (or was is Twitter) today that a order for new long haul planes is near

User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 31094 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 71):

My gut tells me that it will be A350.Size and total will be interesting to see   



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 31001 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 72):
My gut tells me that it will be A350.Size and total will be interesting to see

I'd say so too. Minimal fleet transition from the A330/A340 and the 787 is just too small.



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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 30736 times:

Quoting sas767, Scandinavian Aviation 2013 - Part 1, reply=130:


As a matter of fact Norwegian will in May 2013 increase the seat capacity at CPH with approx. 40% compared to 2012 (over 800 additional flights from/to CPH in May). If they manage to fill around 70% of the added capacity Norwegian alone will grow with over 100.000 passengers at CPH in May. Easyjet will also in May increase capacity with around 20% bringing in 25.000-30.000 additional passengers compared to last year. Expect this scenario to continue during the rest of S13 - however with decreasing growth rates when we comes closer to fall 2013.

All the numbers for the 3 capital airports are out and I'm a bit surprised to se that the growth at CPH was not larger, given the capacity increase from the mention airlines above and also from Aer Lingus, Royal Air Maroc, Air One, Vueling and others. It would be interesting to see any figures on the capacity offered this May compared to last year.

Who Is loosing the grip? Is it only SAS as reported in their Mai figures or aren't Norwegian and easyJet able to fill all the new capacity introduced?


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 75, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 30675 times:

SAS will begin Copenhagen to Bremen (6x weekly) and Humberside (5x weekly) from Oct 27. Both destinations will be operated by Cimber AS and their CRJ-200


Traffic figures May
CPH: 2.149.697 +6,6% - Int: 1.976.885 +5,7% Dom: 172.812 +17,0%
OSL: 1.962.910 +2,5% - Int: 1.003.228 +5,5% Dom: 959.682 -0,6%
ARN: 1.896.216 +6,2%


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7832 posts, RR: 5
Reply 76, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 30486 times:

this is interesting.

http://www.rbnett.no/nyheter/article7742691.ece

http://www.rbnett.no/incoming/article7742679.ece/ALTERNATES/w680-default/_DSC2683_3008.jpg


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 77, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 30222 times:

BMI Regional is starting 5x weekly ABZ-KSU using ERJ-135 from August 28

http://www.bmiregional.com/en/bottom...ghts-from-aberdeen-to-kristiansund


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 78, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 29991 times:

Due to delay of delivery of the A340-300 from LAN (leased from Airbus), SAS will wetlease a 767-300 from OMNI during the summer. The aircraft will have 24 C seats and 222 in economy, and mainly be used on SK901/902, the 4x weekly evening rotation on CPH-EWR

User currently offlinearn777 From Sweden, joined Jul 2010, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 79, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 29900 times:

An update about OSL's freighter ops from www.newstodate.aero's Facebook page:

"Freighter capacity rising at Norway's capital airport

www.newstodate.aero: Norway's exporters of seafood, notably fresh salmon, have been seeing the availability of freighter uplift capacity rising steeply over the last year.

Korean Air Cargo has proved most persistent in its freighter services from Norway to South Korea, being online at Oslo Gardermoen since April 9, 2009 and now serving the route with three weekly flights Boeing 747-400F .

Since September 7, 2012, Asiana has been offering two weekly Boeing 747-400F calls at Oslo Gardermoen Airport on the return leg of the route from Frankfurt to Incheon, South Korea, and is now offering three weekly flights at Oslo Gardermoen Airport.

And starting from January 29, 2013, Qatar Airways Cargo is also online at Norway's Oslo Gardermoen Airport as a stop on the route from Amsterdam to Doha, with onward connections to Asian destinations.

Latest news is that Qatar Airways Cargo will add a second Boeing 777F frequency on the freighter service, starting from July 6, 2013".

We don't have to go back very long when there hardly was any seafood transported out by air from OSL.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 29861 times:

6.6% passenger number increase at CPH in May: http://boarding.no/art.asp?id=54103 (in Norwegian).

The Eurovision Song Contest was held in Malmø in May, which could explain some of the inflation but not all of it, so well done and I guess when the contest comes to Denmark next year, the airport will gain again!



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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 29650 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 77):
BMI Regional is starting 5x weekly ABZ-KSU using ERJ-135 from August 28

Wonder how they think that this will work after the complete failure of ABZ-KRS a few years ago..


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 82, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 29402 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 81):
Wonder how they think that this will work after the complete failure of ABZ-KRS a few years ago

They already been flying weekly (or so) charters on the route on behalf of the oil companies. KSU is an important oilbase for those going offshore, unlike KRS, which has more to do with oil technology


User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2468 posts, RR: 4
Reply 83, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 29342 times:

Any up-dates on NORDIC AIR SWEDEN aka http://flyswedish.eu/ ?

AFAIK, flyswedish announced to restart operations at the end of June from Kastrup and Norrköping - but so far I couldn't find any timetable... Any more infos?


User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 29288 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 83):
Any up-dates on NORDIC AIR SWEDEN aka http://flyswedish.eu/ ?

AFAIK, flyswedish announced to restart operations at the end of June from Kastrup and Norrköping - but so far I couldn't find any timetable... Any more infos?

It seems that the route between Norrköping and Kastrup have been cancelled.

https://www.norrkopingflygplats.se/se/kontakt/press/pressmeddelanden/2013/instaelld-flyglinje-till-thessaloniki
http://www.nt.se/nyheter/artikel.aspx?articleid=8516114
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/...nytt/vite-vantar-nordic-air-sweden

[Edited 2013-06-19 01:55:27]

[Edited 2013-06-19 01:56:36]

[Edited 2013-06-19 01:56:57]


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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 29066 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 82):
They already been flying weekly (or so) charters on the route on behalf of the oil companies. KSU is an important oilbase for those going offshore, unlike KRS, which has more to do with oil technology

Does KSU have a terminal fit for international flights?


User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2468 posts, RR: 4
Reply 86, posted (1 year 6 months 15 hours ago) and read 28807 times:

Hi to you all,

just 2 developments I have heard...

1. SAS will lease a B767-300ER from OMNI AIR for CPH-JFK (according to ch-aviation.ch). More infos?

2. norwegian took delivery of an A330-200 instead of an A340-600 from HiFly as 2nd B787 substitute (source skyliner-aviation.de). More infos? Is the 2nd A346 not ready yet?


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 87, posted (1 year 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 28751 times:

Quoting CPH-JFK+%28according+to+ch-aviation.ch%29.+More+infos%3F%5D%5B%2Fquote%5D%0D%0A%0D%0AThat+is+correct.+See+below+for+more+info.%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%5Bquote%3Dsomeone83" class="quote" target="_blank">debonair,reply=861. SAS will lease a B767-300ER from OMNI AIR for CPH-JFK (according to ch-aviation.ch). More infos?][/quote]

That is correct. See below for more info.


[quote=someone83
(Reply 78):

Due to delay of delivery of the A340-300 from LAN (leased from Airbus), SAS will wetlease a 767-300 from OMNI during the summer. The aircraft will have 24 C seats and 222 in economy, and mainly be used on SK901/902, the 4x weekly evening rotation on CPH-EWR




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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (1 year 6 months 12 hours ago) and read 28640 times:

Boarding with a very interesting article last week where BA presents their strongest business and first class markets in the Nordic countries. Similar benchmarking have recently been presented by Lufthansa, Qatar, KLM and Thai Airways.


In Norwegian only:

Quote:
Nordmenn flyr langt mer business- og første klasse enn svensker og dansker. Tall fra British Airways viser at, tross lavere innbyggertall, selges det flere av de mest eksklusive flysetene til nordmenn.
http://boarding.no/art.asp?id=54216


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 89, posted (1 year 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 28416 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 86):

1. SAS will lease a B767-300ER from OMNI AIR for CPH-JFK (according to ch-aviation.ch). More infos?

2. norwegian took delivery of an A330-200 instead of an A340-600 from HiFly as 2nd B787 substitute (source skyliner-aviation.de). More infos? Is the 2nd A346 not ready yet?

1) EWR not JFK (SK901/902) about two times per week

2) Yes, but due to a delay for one of HiFly's 340-300, not -600, as Norwegian never was supposed to get them. They still plan to use the Airbusses for a few months, so the 2nd 340-300 will probably be used at a later stage


User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2468 posts, RR: 4
Reply 90, posted (1 year 6 months ago) and read 28275 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 89):
but due to a delay for one of HiFly's 340-300, not -600

Sorry, thought that ex VS A346 9H-SEA/-SUN were purchased as B787 replacement...


User currently offlineFastphilly From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 6 months ago) and read 28295 times:

Finally made it to the edge of SFO's 28 runways to see the majestic SAS A340 lifting off. I really hope SAS makes this route work long term.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 92, posted (1 year 6 months ago) and read 28285 times:

What is taking so long for BA to confirm the dates for the 787 ARN operations?


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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 93, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 28094 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 90):


Sorry, thought that ex VS A346 9H-SEA/-SUN were purchased as B787 replacement...


No, that was just an A.net rumour  

When Norwegian announced their temporarily solution a while back they officially said it will be to ex-Emirates A340-300 from HiFly


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4069 posts, RR: 33
Reply 94, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 27941 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 92):
What is taking so long for BA to confirm the dates for the 787 ARN operations?

I don't know why its a secret, and I am not saying.
But if you are travelling this summer, travel on BA780/781 to increase your chances of B787 travel.


User currently offlineokobjorn From Denmark, joined Jun 2011, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 27860 times:

Danish business newspaper Børsen today brings an interview with Finnair CEO, Pekka Vauramo. Here he advocates a merger of SK and AY. Apparently they have been fairly close to a deal before, but political issues stranded the idea.

As the Norwegian and Swedish states now are promoting a sale of their 14% and 21% stakes, this can now come through.
Probably a private equity should do the initial take-over before an industrial buyer can take over the packaged deal. LH and IAG are mentioned in this respect.

Later today, an AY spokesperson withdrew the rumours, but stated that a merger had potential for success.

With AY's intercontinental strength toward the East and SK toward the West, this could create a strong European player. The soft belly would, however, still be shorthaul where the four Nordic capitals are relatively weak O&D markets.

What do you think? Success or failure?


User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 27731 times:

Quoting okobjorn (Reply 95):

I am not initiated enough to now the pros and cons and etc but;

Would the EU would allow it? They once stopped a merger between Volvo Trucks and Scania.
This was because the would be too dominating on the domestic market. This could be the same.
Is the culture differences between Scandinavia and Finland small enough to make it work?



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 97, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 27601 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 94):
But if you are travelling this summer, travel on BA780/781 to increase your chances of B787 travel.

I am already booked on BA780 for mid August.

There are rumors that they will use the 787 on BA780/781 between AUG 9-31.



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 27519 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 97):
I am already booked on BA780 for mid August.

There are rumors that they will use the 787 on BA780/781 between AUG 9-31.

If you want to get on a 787 book one of Norwegian's flights ex OSL during the summer. I am booked on LGW-OSL-LGW with the 787 and have seats booked and everything. Can't wait!



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 99, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 27513 times:

SAS has ordered 8 A350-900s and 4 A330s. See seperate thread: SAS Orders A350-900 (by SKAirbus Jun 25 2013 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2013-06-25 01:28:59]


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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 27122 times:

One of the busiest days ever at CPH and OSL expected today.

Both OSL and CPH will See the numbers spinning around 80.000-90.000 pax this Friday.

Another thing.
Reported by European Cruise Council yesterday, cruise traffic inn and out of Norway grew by 28% last year, bringing Norway up as the 4th largest cruise destination in Europe with 2,5 million Cruise guests divided on 2266 cruise arrivals.
The numbers ar actually much larger as Hurtigruten is excluded with it's 12 vessels packed with tourists this time of year.
With growth expected in the same line as last year and with a significant number of Norwegian bound cruises originating from Copenhagen, it is all set for a pleasant growth at CPH this summer.

4 LARGEST MARKETS IN EUROPE
1.Italy, 6,2 mill guests,
2.Spain, 5,1 mill guests
3.Greece, 4,7 mill guests
4.Norway, 2,5 mill guests

SCANDINAVIAN NUMBERS
Denmark 525.000 guests
Sweden 516.000 guests

http://travelnews.no/2013/06/28/fly/formidabel-cruisevekst/

The lack of direct air capacity to North America is the main argument for RCCL for not using Oslo as a base for their Norwegian bound cruises. Similar arguments for other cruise lines. In addition and probably the most heavy argument is that all cruise ships based in Norway must follow Norwegian VAT laws, significantly increasing the cost of loading the wessel prior to departure from Oslo compared to neighboring Scandinavian ports.

Hopefully, the added capacity from Norwegian to the US and their planned expansion can gain this market potential from OSL. With a new cruise terminal planned at Hjortnes in Oslo, let's hope more of the traffic can be generated through OSL.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 27026 times:
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Quoting okobjorn (Reply 95):
What do you think? Success or failure?

Slow news day at the office. The "interview" was quick hallway chat where the statement was taken out of the context. So not going to happen!



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 672 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 27118 times:

Quoting okobjorn (Reply 95):
With AY's intercontinental strength toward the East and SK toward the West, this could create a strong European player. The soft belly would, however, still be shorthaul where the four Nordic capitals are relatively weak O&D markets.

In what way is SK strong in ops to the West? They dropped SEA, started SFO but only seasonally, AFAIK. Otherwise they offer nothing that other operators would not offer, too.


User currently offlineFastphilly From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 27006 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 102):
Quoting okAY (Reply 102):
started SFO but only seasonally

Can you show me a link that the SFO flight is seasonal only? According to wikipedia, the flight isn't seasonal.


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 672 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 26939 times:

Quoting Fastphilly (Reply 103):

Got no link, sorry. But as I remember the deal, they dropped BKK for summer season to start SFO. I understood they leave SFO in order to start BKK again for winter season. But even with SFO being all-year, I would not call SK a strong player in transcon ops, by any means.


User currently offlineFastphilly From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 26930 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 104):
Quoting okAY (Reply 104):
I would not call SK a strong player in transcon ops, by any means.

Well since SK's only west coast destination is SFO, I'm sure alliance carrier UA can drum up enough connecting passengers from SEA down to LAX and Hawaii plus the Bay Area O&D travel base to fill a A340 6x per week. I remember the naysayers saying how the SFO-ZRH route on Swiss was a bad move. So far so good.

Bay Area O&D and *A connections will fill flights


User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 672 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 26923 times:

Quoting Fastphilly (Reply 105):

I'm not talking about filling flights, I'm questioning the statement of SK being a strong player in "west" ops. They have a handfull of destinations in the US. Compare this with the likes of BA, AF, KL and you get my question.


User currently offlineFastphilly From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 26770 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 106):
I'm not talking about filling flights, I'm questioning the statement of SK being a strong player in "west" ops. They have a handfull of destinations in the US. Compare this with the likes of BA, AF, KL and you get my question.

In that regard yes, SAS is indeed a second tier European Carrier much like Iberia and Austrian. They just don't have the metal for such an extensive network like the "Big Three".


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3772 posts, RR: 13
Reply 108, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 26678 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 106):
Compare this with the likes of BA, AF, KL and you get my question.

Wait, are you saying that SK is not as large as BA, AF, and KL?! Stop the presses!      

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 26347 times:

Quoting okAY (Reply 104):
Got no link, sorry.

Took me two seconds on google to confirm that the flight is not seasonal, check for yourself.


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 25794 times:

Now confirmed by airlineroute. Swiss opens Geneva to ARN/GOT/OSL.
The service will operate through the peak skiing months.

Geneva – Stockholm eff 15DEC13 4 weekly
LX1232 GVA0900 – 1145ARN 320 7
LX1232 GVA0920 – 1205ARN 319 4
LX1232 GVA1030 – 1315ARN 319 2
LX1232 GVA1120 – 1405ARN 320 1
LX1233 ARN1225 – 1505GVA 320 7
LX1233 ARN1245 – 1525GVA 319 4
LX1233 ARN1355 – 1635GVA 319 2
LX1233 ARN1445 – 1725GVA 319 1
Service operates 3 weekly from 30MAR14 (Day 247), operational schedule varies

Geneva – Gothenburg eff 14DEC13 2 weekly
LX1236 GVA0845 – 1105GOT 319 6
LX1236 GVA0915 – 1135GOT 320 7
LX1237 GOT1145 – 1405GVA 319 6
LX1237 GOT1215 – 1435GVA 320 7
Day 7 operates until 02MAR14. Reservation is available for flights until 29MAR14 inclusive

Geneva – Oslo eff 14DEC13 3 weekly
LX1238 GVA1145 – 1420OSL 320 3
LX1238 GVA1215 – 1450OSL 320 7
LX1238 GVA1330 – 1605OSL 320 6
LX1239 OSL1500 – 1735GVA 320 3
LX1239 OSL1530 – 1805GVA 320 7
LX1239 OSL1645 – 1920GVA 320 6
Day 37 operates until 02MAR14. Reservation is available for flights until 29MAR14 inclusive

http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/02/lx-gva-w13/


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 111, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 25708 times:

If SK and DY keeps last year programs om OSL-GVA, this means we'll have quite a good offer to GVA during the ski season


Is United going for daily flights on OSL-EWR through the whole W14 and dropping the 1x weekly reductions in Jan-Feb they had last year?


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25143 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 111):
Is United going for daily flights on OSL-EWR through the whole W14 and dropping the 1x weekly reductions in Jan-Feb they had last year?

According to airlineroute they will maintain daily flights, Source: http://airlineroute.net/2013/06/24/ua-europe-w13update4/

Wich means that United is the only carrier who will operate daily flights, while SAS go for day x236 and Norwegian have day x136. But OSL still have 15 weekly flights to New York.


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 24787 times:

Norwegian Reports Strong Passenger Growth and High Load in June

Norwegian’s (NAS) passenger growth continued in June. Over 1.9 million passengers flew with Norwegian, up 21 percent compared with the same month last year. The company continues to grow and increase its capacity in new markets. The high load factor confirms that new capacity is also filling up well.

During June this year, Norwegian flew 1,911,841 passengers, an increase of 328,106 passengers and up 21 percent compared to the same month previous year. This is the highest number of passengers the company has carried in one single month. Norwegian’s seat capacity (ASK) was up 31 percent and the passenger traffic (RPK) was up 35 percent. The load factor was 79.6 percent, up 2.7 percent from the same month last year.


Read more here:

http://media.norwegian.com/en/#/pres...rowth-and-high-load-in-june-883969

http://media.norwegian.com/en/#/docu...ew/traffic-figures-june-2013-28224



Almost 2 million passengers in june. Very Nice ...


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 114, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 24540 times:

According to Standby, SQ has applied for daily slots (currently 5x weekly) in CPH.

http://www.standby.dk/singapore-airl...es-vil-flyve-dagligt-pa-kobenhavn/

Although it doesn't necessary mean they will do it


User currently offlineHELyes From Thailand, joined Oct 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 24022 times:

Finnair will open their first service to Tromsø Norway in Jan 2014, seasonal service January 1 - March 28. Three times weekly, operated by FlyBe Finland E190.

http://www.finnairgroup.com/mediaen/mediaen_7.html?Id=rss_697241.html


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 23978 times:

Quoting HELyes (Reply 115):
Finnair will open their first service to Tromsø Norway in Jan 2014, seasonal service January 1 - March 28. Three times weekly, operated by FlyBe Finland E190.

http://www.finnairgroup.com/mediaen/....html

Great news!

I would presume the launch is a result of the hunt for the Northern light, combined with winter tourism to Northern Norway.
This segment is increasing rapidly from Asia, so I think it's the main reason for the launch rather than connecting traffic from Tromsø through Finnairs network. It seems like Visit Norway finally are learning a bit from Finland, although still far behind.


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 117, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 23906 times:

Traffic numbers for June is out with some surprising elements.


Stockholm Arlanda 1.943.072 + 5% (up 95.987 pax)
Domestic 391.213 pax (up 2.735 pax)
International 1.551.859 pax (up 93.252 pax)

Copenhagen Kastrup 2.329.956 + 4,8% (up 106.094 pax)
Domestic 173.956 pax (up 16.114 pax)
International 2.156.000 pax (up 89.980 pax)

OSL's numbers will be presented tomorrow as they are still waiting for some final numbers, but the growth seems to be some percentage higher than for the two presented above. Also for the part of a.net Scandi thread that are only willing to discuss international pax, it also seems like OSL will also have the largest increase of international passengers for June in net pax. I will try to post it tomorrow when it's official.

However the numbers above still makes me bit curios, as the May numbers did but no one where interested in discussing further. Impressive growth at all 3 airports, but compared to the capacity added at CPH for June compared to last year, the growth is far under the described capacity increase. As Cimber where down in early May 2012, June 13 brings "healthy" numbers to the statistics. Dannish aviation sites and at least one a.net member have illustrated a capacity increase by Easyjet, Vueling and Norwegian, that significantly exceeds the growth of 89.000 pax presented today. In addition, both SK-IC, SIA and EK have increased their capacity among other European carriers.
Is it SAS that are losing ground at CPH as reported in their June figures or have the other carriers thrown in too much capacity?


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 118, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 23834 times:

Quoting HELyes (Reply 115):

Finnair will open their first service to Tromsø Norway in Jan 2014, seasonal service January 1 - March 28. Three times weekly, operated by FlyBe Finland E190.

http://www.finnairgroup.com/mediaen/mediaen_7.html?Id=rss_697241.html


I doubt this will last much longer than their failed HEL-TRD route

[Edited 2013-07-10 13:03:08]

User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 119, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 23822 times:

But TRD was not for the Asian inbound market. I would give this a chance!

User currently offlineHELyes From Thailand, joined Oct 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 23795 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 116):
I would presume the launch is a result of the hunt for the Northern light

Yes they must target the Japanese especially, the Northern Lights were pretty active last winter and that's expected to continue.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 121, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 23627 times:

One surprising thing with the CPH number is the huge growth to Milan (22%), which are now among the top 10 routes from CPH

User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1084 posts, RR: 4
Reply 122, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 23566 times:

Not really a surprise Someone83, Norwegian is new on the Milan route and EasyJet has added frequency. With only 22% growth I suspect the third carrier, SAS, must be pressured.

User currently offlineSAS767 From Denmark, joined Dec 1999, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 23548 times:

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 122):
Not really a surprise Someone83, Norwegian is new on the Milan route and EasyJet has added frequency. With only 22% growth I suspect the third carrier, SAS, must be pressured.

Yes Norwegian is new on the Milano route compared to June 2012, but easyJet has not added frequencies on this route compared to June 2012. They have however increased capacity by using A320 iso A319 on a number of flights between MXP and CPH.

Based on the provided capacity by Norwegian in June they have carried around 5.000 passengers on the route. As the total growth on the route in June was +8.500 passengers this leaves +3.500 to easyJet and SAS. Based on the easyJet capacity increse they would not have been able to absorb this number, so the +3.500 must be shared between easyJet and SAS.

Expect that Alitalia soon will join the Milano-Copenhagen market  


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 124, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 23524 times:

ESA has approved the establishment of a 30 MNOK fund promoting charter flight possibilities for Northern Norway, to attract more tourist.

Guess this is somewhat similar to Copenhagen Connected, or whatever that is called they have in CPH?


User currently offlineSAS767 From Denmark, joined Dec 1999, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 23509 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 117):
However the numbers above still makes me bit curios, as the May numbers did but no one where interested in discussing further. Impressive growth at all 3 airports, but compared to the capacity added at CPH for June compared to last year, the growth is far under the described capacity increase. As Cimber where down in early May 2012, June 13 brings "healthy" numbers to the statistics. Dannish aviation sites and at least one a.net member have illustrated a capacity increase by Easyjet, Vueling and Norwegian, that significantly exceeds the growth of 89.000 pax presented today. In addition, both SK-IC, SIA and EK have increased their capacity among other European carriers.
Is it SAS that are losing ground at CPH as reported in their June figures or have the other carriers thrown in too much capacity?

Ok - then let us take a look at the May 2013 figures for CPH.

In May 2013 International Schedule Traffic was up 104.264 passengers at CPH. As stated earlier the capacity increase in May from Norwegian, easyJet and Vueling would suggest that these three carriers together would bring in an additional 130.000 international passengers in May 2013 compared to 2012 (based on 70% load factor for the added capacity).

It is however very unlikely that these 130.000 passengers all would be "new" passengers, as a portion of them most likely will be passengers moved from other routes and carriers.

In addition a number of routes were discontinued in May 2013 compared to 2012. This includes routes like Bahrain (Gulf Air), Bremen (OLT), Katowice & Lyon (SAS), Kiev (Aerosvit), London City (BA), Stockholm Bromma (FlyBe), Oulu, Tampere & Vaasa (Blue1). Alone the closure of the Blue1 routes is quite a loss and all together the discontinued routes did account for a loss of around 40.000 international passengers in May 2013.

Deducting the passengers from the discontinued routes, means that existing and new routes in May 2013 contributed with an additional 145.000 international schedule passengers. I believe this is quite good numbers and in line with the expectations.

As some examples Singapore Airlines had a passenger increase of 65% (capacity was also up 65%), Emirates increased with over 30% and Air Canada with around 15%.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 126, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 23425 times:

OSL Juni figures:
Total 2.199.309 +7%
International: 1.246.071 +8,4%
Domestic: 953.238 +5,3%

7% equals a growth of 144.000 passenger, although OSL states that 60.000 of these was due to the security staff strike in June 2012, but still a high growth.....and the terminal is getting more and more overcrowded


User currently offlineSAS767 From Denmark, joined Dec 1999, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 127, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 23514 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 126):
7% equals a growth of 144.000 passenger, although OSL states that 60.000 of these was due to the security staff strike in June 2012, but still a high growth.....and the terminal is getting more and more overcrowded

But last year when OSL presented the June figures the impact was stated as 100.000 passengers - quoting osl.no:

Quote:
The security personnel strike in June led to a loss of approx. 100 000 passengers at Oslo Airport.

As it seems like they are not able to figure it out themself, maybe the truth lies at around 80.000 passengers. Anyway with an impact of 60.000 passengers the growth at OSL would have been 4,0%, with 80.000 passengers 3,0% and with 100.000 as original stated by OSL 2,1%.


User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1084 posts, RR: 4
Reply 128, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 23508 times:



This graph shows the 12 months rolling growth trends for the different players within Scandinavia.


User currently offlinecityairline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 23509 times:

When I check Vuelings website, BCN-GOT/OSL/HEL is not bookable through the winter, while ARN is. My guess is that this has something to do with the first three beeing new routes this year while ARN beeing an established one.
I have a hard time seeing all these three as seasonal ones?
So, does anybody know when they will open reservations for the winter season to GOT/OSL/HEL?



I don't fly to live, I live to fly...
User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1084 posts, RR: 4
Reply 130, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 23432 times:

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 127):
As it seems like they are not able to figure it out themself, maybe the truth lies at around 80.000 passengers. Anyway with an impact of 60.000 passengers the growth at OSL would have been 4,0%, with 80.000 passengers 3,0% and with 100.000 as original stated by OSL 2,1%.

A similation in my worksheet showed the impact only to be 43,000 passengers for June 2012 a bit lower than what OSL said. This simulation is based on the difference between what June 2012 gave and an average growth of April, May, July and August 2012. In other words OSL seems to have overestimated the strike impact and the cause of the low growth in June 2012 may be due to the usual high leisure traffic during Ascension and Pentecost oval weekends (May 2012 and June 2011). Understanding the impact mechnisms of moving public holidays is vital to even before starting your analysis of the monthly statistics. The Eastern holidays moves between Q1 and Q2 from year to years, and if you look at the impact of this move you'll see at OSL with the Easter holidays in March the Q2 passenger numbers to be 24% higher than Q1 and wth the Easter holidays in April Q2 will end only being 20% higher than Q1. These are average numbers for 2000-2013 with 2010 excluded (due to the Icelandic ash). ARN has the same type of Eastern impact as OSL (+21% vs +17%), but CPH doesn't show any type of Eastern impact (+24% vs +24%).

Q3 and Q4 on the other hand is much easier to analyse - no public holidays except for Christmas and the New Year celebration.


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 131, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 23182 times:

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 125):
Ok - then let us take a look at the May 2013 figures for CPH.In May 2013 International Schedule Traffic was up 104.264 passengers at CPH. As stated earlier the capacity increase in May from Norwegian, easyJet and Vueling would suggest that these three carriers together would bring in an additional 130.000 international passengers in May 2013 compared to 2012 (based on 70% load factor for the added capacity).

First of all, you are quoting June figures and replying with May numbers.

The reason for why I find June interesting is because June represents healthy statistics. CPH reported in June last year that the capacity on international flights where almost Equal to June 2011, due to fast recovery of lost services through new carriers and increase on existing routes. From what you wrote on the 130.000 seat capacity increase of DY and EYZ in May; "Expect this scenario to continue during the rest of S13" . Similar expectations have been presented by Check-in.dk, Standby,dk and others. With the added capacity on Intercont, European increase by Vueling, Alitalia, Transavia, SAS and others, your arguments and numbers does not add up.

The actual increase of Eazyjet and Norwegian based on 140-150 pax Equals the actual international total increase at CPH with 654 more flights . In addition SAS has 283 New flights , Vueling 92, Transavia 34, and others stands for a larger increase of capacity than with DY and EZY together.
There is also a significant increase on IC from CPH, Hench my question. Who are not able to fill their added capacity at CPH?

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 125):
In addition a number of routes were discontinued in May 2013 compared to 2012. This includes routes like Bahrain (Gulf Air), Bremen (OLT), Katowice & Lyon (SAS), Kiev (Aerosvit), London City (BA), Stockholm Bromma (FlyBe), Oulu, Tampere & Vaasa (Blue1).

Bahrain with its average 60 pax pr flight in June hardly makes any difference. For Finland, Helsinki has taken in most of the market loss. For Sweden in total, the traffic is exactly the same as June 2012, so your argument does not hold here. For Germany the numbers are up with 14.016 pax (driven by Berlin) eating off the total growth of 89.000. I think in general that routes that are not economical sustainable is not a good argument for the lack of passengers. If the market is there, the demand will sustain through other carriers.
So again who are loosing ground at CPH? I have a feeling that it’s SAS.

Capacity is up significantly more than the traffic increase and also adjusted for the suspended services.


User currently offlinehybridace101 From Philippines, joined Mar 2010, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 23136 times:

I'm going to take SK in August to OSL. If my flight arrives at 13.30, how long will it take for me to clear passport control? I am expected to have no hold/check-in luggage.

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 23137 times:

Quoting hybridace101 (Reply 132):
I'm going to take SK in August to OSL. If my flight arrives at 13.30, how long will it take for me to clear passport control? I am expected to have no hold/check-in luggage.

The Norwegian border police are notoriously bad.... They in theory have a non-EEA / EEA lane but a lot of the time they just have two counters open both for non-EEA so you ended up waiting for ages. Last time I flew through OSL it took about 30 seconds to get through passport control, the time before that it took an hour because the plane I was on landed at the same time as an SU flight from SVO and all counters were open to all travellers... Got stuck behind lots of people requring full Visa checks!

Then again the Danish border police are also awful, especially at CPH.



Next Flights: LCY-DUB (E70), DUB-LHR (319), LHR-PHL (772), PHL-LAX (321), LAX-HNL (752), HNL-LAX (752), LAX-LHR (388)
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 134, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 23117 times:

Thai seems to have cancelled the planned 747 operation at OSL the coming winter, and will instead use the 777-300ER

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 135, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 23116 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 134):
Thai seems to have cancelled the planned 747 operation at OSL the coming winter, and will instead use the 777-300ER

Good to hear! The 77W is far superior aircraft  .



Next Flights: LCY-DUB (E70), DUB-LHR (319), LHR-PHL (772), PHL-LAX (321), LAX-HNL (752), HNL-LAX (752), LAX-LHR (388)
User currently offlinehybridace101 From Philippines, joined Mar 2010, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 23061 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 133):
The Norwegian border police are notoriously bad.... They in theory have a non-EEA / EEA lane but a lot of the time they just have two counters open both for non-EEA so you ended up waiting for ages. Last time I flew through OSL it took about 30 seconds to get through passport control, the time before that it took an hour because the plane I was on landed at the same time as an SU flight from SVO and all counters were open to all travellers... Got stuck behind lots of people requring full Visa checks!

Then again the Danish border police are also awful, especially at CPH.

My flight arrives 13.30 from LHR and the closest SU flight from SVO for that day is expected to come-in at 12.30. Assuming everything is on-time, then that may be a problem?


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 137, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22837 times:

Quoting hybridace101 (Reply 136):
My flight arrives 13.30 from LHR and the closest SU flight from SVO for that day is expected to come-in at 12.30. Assuming everything is on-time, then that may be a problem?

Most likely not and shouldn't take many minutes to get through


User currently offlinecityairline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 713 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 22583 times:

A very odd coincidence happened today when one Ryanair aircraft experienced difficulties with flaps during landing at Stockholm-Skavsta after a flight from FAO, followed by another Ryanair aircraft which experienced the same kind of problem during landing at Gothenburg-City after a flight from AHO during this evening and had to divert tot GOT for its longer runway.

http://www.sn.se/nyheter/1.1842416

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article17128811.ab

/Alex



I don't fly to live, I live to fly...
User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 139, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22189 times:

Quick question. How can I find delivery schedules for new DY 738 deliveries from Boeing? How many Are they expected to recieve in 2014, 2015 and 2016?


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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1084 posts, RR: 4
Reply 140, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 22050 times:

oykie, can't answer your questions, but I can tell you LN-NGK is right now on its delivery flight from BFI to OSL with ETA 0701 CEST

User currently offlineSAS767 From Denmark, joined Dec 1999, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 141, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 21857 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 131):
First of all, you are quoting June figures and replying with May numbers.

You "complained" about the missing discussion of the May figures and hence I decided to give a presentation of the CPH May numbers. In May 2012 the impact of the Cimber Sterling bankruptcy was significant as the lost capacity was only partial replaced, while in June 2012 the majority of the lost capacity was already replaced. When we look at the traffic numbers this year May 2012 was therefore a week comparison month compared to June 2012. Seen in the light of this the traffic increase in June 2013 was actually stronger than in May 2013.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 131):
The reason for why I find June interesting is because June represents healthy statistics. CPH reported in June last year that the capacity on international flights where almost Equal to June 2011, due to fast recovery of lost services through new carriers and increase on existing routes. From what you wrote on the 130.000 seat capacity increase of DY and EYZ in May; "Expect this scenario to continue during the rest of S13" . Similar expectations have been presented by Check-in.dk, Standby,dk and others. With the added capacity on Intercont, European increase by Vueling, Alitalia, Transavia, SAS and others, your arguments and numbers does not add up.

The actual increase of Eazyjet and Norwegian based on 140-150 pax Equals the actual international total increase at CPH with 654 more flights . In addition SAS has 283 New flights , Vueling 92, Transavia 34, and others stands for a larger increase of capacity than with DY and EZY together.
There is also a significant increase on IC from CPH, Hench my question. Who are not able to fill their added capacity at CPH?

Let’s start out with what I wrote back in March so we have this clear:

Quote:
As a matter of fact Norwegian will in May 2013 increase the seat capacity at CPH with approx. 40% compared to 2012 (over 800 additional flights from/to CPH in May). If they manage to fill around 70% of the added capacity Norwegian alone will grow with over 100.000 passengers at CPH in May. Easyjet will also in May increase capacity with around 20% bringing in 25.000-30.000 additional passengers compared to last year. Expect this scenario to continue during the rest of S13 - however with decreasing growth rates when we comes closer to fall 2013....

...Due to the above the Norwegian seat capacity out of CPH will in May be around 40% higher compared to last year. This number will decrease in the remaining part of the S13 season with a capacity increase of about 20%.



This means that my arguments and numbers do add up. Schedule international traffic was up with 101.377 passengers in June 13 (you keep talking about +87.000 passengers but this includes charter and that has nothing to do with Norwegian or easyJet. Charter was down with around 10.000 due to the loss of Pullmantur Cruises to Malmö).

Norwegian and easyJet capacity was up with 25% each in June accounting for a predicted passenger increase of around 90.000 passengers based on a 80% load factor. The number of SAS flights was up when you look at the statistics, but you have to remember that since June 12 all flights between CPH and HEL have been transferred from Blue1 to SAS. Adjusted for this the number of SAS flights in the area of schedule international traffic was only marginal up compared to June 12.

Again we have discontinued destinations and destinations with lower capacity compared that needs to be added to the picture. As it seems like you prefer to ignore the effect of this, I will present dynamics of the figures for June 2012 (only International Schedule Traffic):

Discontinued destinations: -36.000 passengers
Existing destinations with passenger decrease: -51.000 passengers
New destinations: +34.000 passengers
Existing destinations with passenger increase: +154.000 passengers

So in June CPH "lost" 87.000 schedule international passengers, but "won" 188.000 new ones. In total this means a growth of 101.000 passengers in the International schedule traffic.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 131):
Bahrain with its average 60 pax pr flight in June hardly makes any difference. For Finland, Helsinki has taken in most of the market loss. For Sweden in total, the traffic is exactly the same as June 2012, so your argument does not hold here. For Germany the numbers are up with 14.016 pax (driven by Berlin) eating off the total growth of 89.000. I think in general that routes that are not economical sustainable is not a good argument for the lack of passengers. If the market is there, the demand will sustain through other carriers.
So again who are loosing ground at CPH? I have a feeling that it’s SAS.

I don't know if it's because you want the figures to look as bad as possible, but you seem to ignore the fact that traffic generates traffic. When a destination is discontinued, then yes a portion of the passengers will be transferred to other carries, but you will also loose passengers due to change in traffic flows - some will use another airport for transfer and some will not go at all. No matter how you twist and turn it there will year on year be a gap that should be filled due to the loss of passengers from discontinued routes and routes with a decrease in traffic (as illustrated above for the CPH June figures).

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 131):
Capacity is up significantly more than the traffic increase and also adjusted for the suspended services.

I don't know where you get this picture from, but when you look at June schedule international movements was up with 513 flights which equals an increase of 2,9%. MTOW for schedule international was up 5,3%. On the other hand schedule international passengers was up with 5,5%. To me this does not indicate a situation where the capacity was up significantly more than the passenger increase.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 142, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 21764 times:

BA is starting a third daily LCY-ARN flight from Oct 28

User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 143, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 21769 times:



Quoting SAS767 (Reply 141):
Norwegian and Easyjet capacity was up with 25% each in June accounting for a predicted passenger increase of around 90.000 passengers based on a 80% load factor.

Well not correct as its 100.000 pax With Your described load factor.
Norwegian +484 flight = 90.024 seats (80% load 72.019 pax)
Easyjet + 190 flights = 34.200 pax (80% load 27.360 pax)

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 141):
I don't know where you get this picture from, but when you look at June schedule international movements was up with 513 flights which equals an increase of 2,9%.

No, the correct number is 888 schedule flights. Turkish, Vueling and Qatar among with some other Airlines are missing out in the sheet from CPH, or their definition is not in line with Trafikstyrelsens reports. According to the report from Trafikstyrelsen, there where 19.206 scheduled flights in June 2013, not 18249 as reported by CPH. The numbers can be found in the regularity statistics from Trafikstyrelsen pr airline and route for June 2013 (actual flights, not planned flights) To CPH's defense, it looks like they have just added the overall numbers without looking into if something are missing. If they did, they could see that some Airlines are missing. Pegasus is defined as schedule airline by CPH, but are not listed by Trafikstyrelsen.

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 141):
The number of SAS flights was up when you look at the statistics, but you have to remember that since June 12 all flights between CPH and HEL have been transferred from Blue1 to SAS. Adjusted for this the number of SAS flights in the area of schedule international traffic was only marginal up compared to June 12.

Again, not correct as my previous post described the SAS increase including Blue1.
SAS is up 846 flights but with 563 Blue 1 flights in June 2012 gives an increase of 283 flights as earlier described.

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 141):
Charter was down with around 10.000 due to the loss of Pullmantur Cruises to Malmö) .

First of all, we are discussing scheduled international traffic. Charter is not included in the numbers presented in the statistics discussed. Therefore it's not calculated in the numbers of international movements of the 101.000 pax you are referring to. However cruise traffic is interesting as it’s now stands for about 600.000 pax at CPH. With the increase of Cruise arrivals this year and with June, July and august being the peak, probably around 10.000 pax or more are related to the increase in cruise traffic to CPH for June alone on schedule service. Air Canada is for instance reporting the upgrade to 330-330 as a result of more demand for cruise out of Copenhagen.

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 141):
I don't know if it's because you want the figures to look as bad as possible, but you seem to ignore the fact that traffic generates traffic.

I'm sad to see that your frequent mean of reply is personal attack. CPH is an airport with an aggressive Growth strategy in which I admire and could hope they ever would learn something 500km up North. However when expectations are fired up and not met by the numbers presented, it's a Natural starting point for questions and debate!

[Edited 2013-07-16 11:14:44]

User currently offlineSAS767 From Denmark, joined Dec 1999, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 144, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 21683 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 143):
Well not correct as its 100.000 pax With Your described load factor.
Norwegian +484 flight = 90.024 seats (80% load 72.019 pax)
Easyjet + 190 flights = 34.200 pax (80% load 27.360 pax)

No I believe that you have incorrect numbers. For Norwegian you have not deducted the Danish domestic flights and hence the Norwegian number will instead be +446 international schedule flights. With 80% load you get 67.435 for Norwegian. My calculation of easyJet was based on +190 flights and A319 with Y156 config. This sum up to 29.640 with 80% load.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 143):
No, the correct number is 888 schedule flights. Turkish, Vueling and Qatar among with some other Airlines are missing out in the sheet from CPH, or their definition is not in line with Trafikstyrelsens reports. According to the report from Trafikstyrelsen, there where 19.206 scheduled flights in June 2013, not 18249 as reported by CPH. The numbers can be found in the regularity statistics from Trafikstyrelsen pr airline and route for June 2013 (actual flights, not planned flights) To CPH's defense, it looks like they have just added the overall numbers without looking into if something are missing. If they did, they could see that some Airlines are missing. Pegasus is defined as schedule airline by CPH, but are not listed by Trafikstyrelsen.

You need to tell me how you get to the number of 19.206. When I use "regularity statistics" or "Operations" from Trafikstyrelsen i get to a number of 17.914/17.903 for international schedule flights. This is around 350 flights less compared to the official report from CPH.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 143):
Again, not correct as my previous post described the SAS increase including Blue1.
SAS is up 846 flights but with 563 Blue 1 flights in June 2012 gives an increase of 283 flights as earlier described.

Again you have forgotten to deduct the Danish domestic flights in your numbers. When you do this and also clean the numbers for the KF/SK transfer on CPH-HEL you end up with +60 SAS international schedule flights for June 13

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 143):
First of all, we are discussing scheduled international traffic. Charter is not included in the numbers presented in the statistics discussed. Therefore it's not calculated in the numbers of international movements of the 101.000 pax you are referring to. However cruise traffic is interesting as it’s now stands for about 600.000 pax at CPH. With the increase of Cruise arrivals this year and with June, July and august being the peak, probably around 10.000 pax or more are related to the increase in cruise traffic to CPH for June alone on schedule service. Air Canada is for instance reporting the upgrade to 330-330 as a result of more demand for cruise out of Copenhagen.

I only mentioned the charter traffic due the fact that you in your first post about this topic started out by using +89.000 as the increase for CPH in June. This is the number you get when you deduct the charter decrease of 10,000 - it was a service message that the decrease in charter traffic is due to Pullmantur Cruises now using Malmö Port and therefore uses MMX as airport for their cruise passengers. This is purely charter flights with Pullmantur Air and others - they are therefore not transferred to other services at CPH and are a pure loss of passengers.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 143):
I'm sad to see that your frequent mean of reply is personal attack. CPH is an airport with an aggressive Growth strategy in which I admire and could hope they ever would learn something 500km up North. However when expectations are fired up and not met by the numbers presented, it's a Natural starting point for questions and debate!

OK - fine...


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 539 posts, RR: 1
Reply 145, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 21484 times:

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 144):
No I believe that you have incorrect numbers.

Look as I wrote, there are some differences in the Reporting. It's all Down to CPH's own report or Trafikstyrelsen report. They are not presenting the same numbers. Nor International flights, charter or domestic flights are the same as described by CPH. Also several airlines are not included in the regularity statistics such as Vueling, Turkish, SATA , Qatar and orthers. This brings confution to the numbers.
For instance, CPH reports 2397 domestic flights and Trafikstyrelsen reports 2453 scheduled flights based on the following;

Aalborg
DY 346 (303)
SK 399 (370)

Billund
SK 240 (started AUG12)

Aarhus
SK 360 (234)

Kaarup
DY 168 (173)

Bornholm/Sønderborg
DAT 840 flights.

Sønderborg
Alsie 100 flights

Devided on the 4 carriers;
SAS 999
NORWEGIAN 514
DAT 840
ASLIE 100

However, and this might be the issue, there where 139 flights to Vågar and 50 flights to Greenland.
A total of 189 flights, but these are listed by CPH as international flights, so it's a bit confusing if they are referred to in the statistics as domestic flights? What is the correct term and why is it presented differently?
Even With this flights included, it does not add up to the 2397 flights described by CPH's June figures.

Quoting SAS767 (Reply 144):
You need to tell me how you get to the number of 19.206. When I use "regularity statistics" or "Operations" from Trafikstyrelsen i get to a number of 17.914/17.903 for international schedule flights. This is around 350 flights less compared to the official report from CPH.

The numbers is from the regularity report by trafikstyrelsen showing each and every departure/landing pr airline.
It could be that the numbers for SK and DY includes domestic traffic as you are suggesting. However, again the statistics are very confusing by only presenting the Airlines listed on the international departure frame at CPH. Greenland and Atlantic is included while DAT and Alsie are missing out.
However, the statistics again does not make any sense with SAS and DY's 1.513 domestic flights removed.
The number still differs from what reported by CPH.

Another example;

Trafikstyrelsen shows 18.346 scheduled international flights and 1.279 charter.
CPH shows 18.249 scheduled international flights (incl freight operations) and 1449 charter. 19698

To me it seems like CPH and Trafikstyrelsen haven't synchronized their reporting’s, definitions of what is international/domestic flights and charter and when to present statistics with data missing. As it’s now it brings much confusion to the numbers presented by CPH. So the question still stands firm.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 146, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21343 times:

Quoting oykie (Reply 139):

Quick question. How can I find delivery schedules for new DY 738 deliveries from Boeing? How many Are they expected to recieve in 2014, 2015 and 2016?

Looking at their latest quarterly report, it seems like their 737-800s will have a net growth of 11 in 2014 and 6 in 2015 (10 new deliveries and 4 expiring leases), although this is always subject to change


User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 147, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 21236 times:

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 140):

Nice! Thank you! I Almost got to see it land but was a bit too late.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 146):

Thanks. Do you know when they will regime their last -300? Thei net grovth seems rather small as they have many classic -800 on order.



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 148, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 21201 times:

Quoting oykie (Reply 147):
Thanks. Do you know when they will regime their last -300? Thei net grovth seems rather small as they have many classic -800 on order.

No, but their plan only showed untill the end of 2015, and suggested they still will have five remaining -300s at that time.


User currently offlineSAS767 From Denmark, joined Dec 1999, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 149, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 21081 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 145):
Look as I wrote, there are some differences in the Reporting. It's all Down to CPH's own report or Trafikstyrelsen report. They are not presenting the same numbers. Nor International flights, charter or domestic flights are the same as described by CPH. Also several airlines are not included in the regularity statistics such as Vueling, Turkish, SATA , Qatar and orthers. This brings confution to the numbers.

You did not have incorrect number due to discrepancy between the numbers for Trafikstyrelsen and CPH. You had incorrect numbers because you had not deducted the domestic flights meaning that you compared apples with pears.

As you have experience there is a bug in the regularity statistics from Trafikstyrelsen. When the database calculates the total sum a number of Airlines such as Qatar, Turkish Vueling and Iraqi Airways are not included as they have "blank" name in the database. You there need to manually add the figures for these airlines to the total sum. By doing this you will get a higher number of flight but it still seems like a very few flights is left out.

This means that the regularity statistics is bad way to get the total number of flights, and instead the "operations" reports from Trafikstyrelsen should be used - by doing so you will get an exact match between Trafikstyrelsen and CPH (see below)

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 145):
Trafikstyrelsen shows 18.346 scheduled international flights and 1.279 charter.
CPH shows 18.249 scheduled international flights (incl freight operations) and 1449 charter. 19698

To me it seems like CPH and Trafikstyrelsen haven't synchronized their reporting’s, definitions of what is international/domestic flights and charter and when to present statistics with data missing. As it’s now it brings much confusion to the numbers presented by CPH. So the question still stands firm.

I have now taken a closer look at the numbers and I can conclude that there is an exact match between the figures presented by Trafikstyrelsen (Operations and passenger reports) and the figures presented by CPH. I had in my initial calculations forgotten to exclude the cargo movements.

JUN13 international schedule passenger flights:

Trafikstyrelsen Operation Report: 17.903
CPH: 18.249 - 346 cargo flights (as reported by Trafikstyrelsen) = 17.903

JUN13 international schedule passengers

Trafikstyrelsen: 2.001.273
CPH: 2.001.273

It can therefore be concluded that according to both Trafikstyrelsen and CPH the number of international schedule passenger flights increased with +422 in JUN13 compared to JUN12 (JUN12 = 17.481 according to both Trafikstyrelsen and CPH). This is an increase of 2,4% year on year.

My argumentation is therefore valid. The number of schedule international passenger flights increased with 2,4% while the passenger increase was 5,3%. Or you can say that the 422 "new" flights has an average load of 240 passengers (this way to look at does however not make much sence). I therefore also find it hard to find argumentation for your hypothesis that capacity was up significantly more than the passenger increase.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 150, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20754 times:

OY-KAR (MSN3159), which is SAS 8th A320, was delivered and flown to CPH this weekend

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 151, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 20453 times:

Maybe we should take a break in all this silly arguing about figures and start a new discussion as we have 150 replies now and it is making my browser slower!


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User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 20516 times:
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How about renaming this thread to Nordic Aviation thread so that Finnish news can fit in  


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User currently offlineHELyes From Thailand, joined Oct 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 153, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20371 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 152):
How about renaming this thread to Nordic Aviation thread so that Finnish news can fit in

And Icelandic!   


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 20318 times:
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Quoting HELyes (Reply 154):
And Icelandic!

Yeah I for got the Iceland. Add us and you would have proper thread. Not just only few members bashing their heads together in here.



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 155, posted (1 year 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 20174 times:

According to NRK (Radio) OSL has applied to the Norwegian Government to re-arrange and rebuilt the transfer system, so international to domestic transfers no longer need to have their luggage re-checked

User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (1 year 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 19911 times:

According to local news media, someone pointed a green laser towards a landing
aircraft at Skavsta during the evening of the last Sunday.

http://www.sn.se/nyheter/nykoping/1.1852766



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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19495 times:

WizzAir have cancelled their two weekly Trondheim-Vilnius service from september according to airlineroute.

And some "potato-news"
Local politicians in Bergen are still unsure if the expansion of BGO will get the needed funds after the expansion of OSL became much more expensive then estimated plus the new "polarsirkelen airport" will also take up alot of Avinors budget. As always with the politicians, you get a reply where she does not answar the question. The situation at BGO is just horrible and capacity have been blown for several years and at this point it has twice as many travelers then what it was built for.

Source: http://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/--Fo...flyplass-2937988.html#.UfafvlPHm2w

The situation at Sola is not much better.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 158, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19492 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 157):
......plus the new "polarsirkelen airport" will also take up alot of Avinors budget.

That one has not yet been decided, or funded, and I'm in doubt it actually will be built


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 159, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 19163 times:

SAS has sold six 737-600 as part of a sale-leaseback deal. The aircraft will be leased for a period between four and five and a half years and provides SAS with 500 MSEK in cash

User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 160, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 19012 times:

Thanks for sharing the news Someone83. I guess we will see them parted out when they Are about 20 years old. That is good for the 736. I wonder how SAS will replace them. IIRC the A320neo is not suppose to replace the 736NG.


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 161, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 19000 times:

Quoting oykie (Reply 160):
Thanks for sharing the news Someone83. I guess we will see them parted out when they Are about 20 years old. That is good for the 736. I wonder how SAS will replace them. IIRC the A320neo is not suppose to replace the 736NG

Btw, LN-RPU is now coming off-lease and is parked at OSL without SAS logos and is schedule to leave SAS this summer. Most likely it will be a part out, and it was delivered to SAS in 1999.
SAS will then be down to 27 -600, the same number as their -800, although they will receive the last two new on lease from GECAS this winter. They have 26 -700, and they will pass the 30 mark during 2014

SAS has not officially decided on the -600 replacement, but for those few leaving the fleet during the next year (AFAIK it will be a couple more) they will be mainly replaced by the used -700s SAS is in the process of taking deliveries of through leases


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4069 posts, RR: 33
Reply 162, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18927 times:

Well its the first of August tomorrow, and at ARN the first Qatar B787 is due in the afternoon. Then 8 days later the first BA B787 will show up, at the opposite end of the airport.
When is the Norwegian B787 due at ARN, or have I missed it?
Perhaps we can see all three together one afternoon this month. Qatar leaves at 1550 and BA arrives at 1655, so a small delay will do it.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 163, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18913 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 162):
When is the Norwegian B787 due at ARN, or have I missed it?

From August 16


User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 164, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 18862 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 161):

Thanks SO83   reducing the number of 737-600 is good news. I expect the used and leased 737-700 will get the new SAS seats? This will increase SAS competitivness.

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 162):

If this happens take many pictures for us!!!!  



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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1084 posts, RR: 4
Reply 165, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 18793 times:

I have to correct Someone83 here a bit. The first 787 flight in to ARN will be on Sunday 11 August on DY814 (arr 1500L) and fly out again as DY815 (dep 1600L).

User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2468 posts, RR: 4
Reply 166, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 18556 times:

flySweden will (again) re-start operations in September 2013 - this time the ICAO prefix "JTS" is used...

Any more information? Which airline/aircraft is behind "JTS"? Jet Time Denmark would have been JTG isn't it?!


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 167, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 18164 times:

Standard & Poor's uppgrades SAS's creditrating from ccc+ to B- With stable outlook.

http://www.dn.no/forsiden/borsMarked/article2658471.ece


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 168, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 18171 times:

Braathens comeback in Norway:

Per G. Braathen is planning a comeback for his Family airline Braathens S.A.F.E in 2 - 3 years from now. He has 10 Bombardier c series on order, but is planning on using turboprops in Norway:


http://www.dn.no/forsiden/naringsliv/article2658262.ece


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 169, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 18170 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 168):


Per G. Braathen is planning a comeback for his Family airline Braathens S.A.F.E in 2 - 3 years from now. He has 10 Bombardier c series on order, but is planning on using turboprops in Norway:

It is just Braathens, or Braathens Aviation. The S.A.F.E part disappeared in the 90s, although it should have gone when they became a more domestic airline several decades earlier


User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 170, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 18160 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 168):

Do we know yet the type of turboprop he could use in Norway? Order some new Q400 from BBD or keep the types they already operate?



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