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Canal To Harbour..Jamaican Thread 46  
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17414 times:
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Welcome Guys,
This time we will feature Copa Airlines of Panama, who have served KIN since 1969..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/JM%20FAs/copa_airlines_zps70132306.jpg

Copa was established in 1947 by a group of Panamanian investors and Pan American World Airways, which provided technical and economic assistance as well as capital. Initially, Copa served three domestic destinations in Panama with a fleet of three Douglas C-47 aircraft. In the 1960s, Copa began its international service with three weekly flights to cities in Costa Rica, Jamaica and Colombia using a small fleet of Avro 748s and Electra 188s. In 1971, Pan American World Airways sold its stake in Copa to a group of Panamanian investors who retained control of the airline until 1986. During the 1980s, Copa suspended its domestic service to focus on international flights.

In 1986, CIASA purchased 99% of Copa, which was controlled by the group of Panamanian shareholders who currently control CIASA. From 1992 until 1998, Copa was a part of a commercial alliance with Grupo TACA's network of Central American airline carriers. In 1997, together with Grupo TACA, Copa entered into a strategic alliance with American Airlines. After a year our alliance with American Airlines was terminated by mutual consent.



On May 6, 1998, Copa Holdings, the holding company for Copa and related companies was incorporated as a sociedad anónima under the laws of Panama to facilitate the sale by CIASA of a 49% stake in Copa Holdings to Continental. In connection with Continental's investment, we entered into an extensive alliance agreement with Continental providing for code-sharing, joint marketing, technical exchanges and other cooperative initiatives between the airlines. At the time of our initial public offering in December 2005, Continental reduced its ownership of our total capital stock from 49% to approximately 27.3%. In a follow-on offering in June 2006, Continental further reduced its ownership of our total capital stock from 27.3% to 10.0%. In May 2008, Continental sold its remaining shares in the public market.

Since 1998, we have grown and modernized our fleet while improving customer service and reliability. Copa has expanded its fleet from 13 aircraft to 82 aircraft. In 1999, we received our first Boeing 737-700s, in 2003 we received our first Boeing 737-800s, and in 2005 we received our first Embraer 190. In the first quarter of 2005, we completed our fleet renovation program and discontinued use of our last Boeing 737-200s. During the second quarter of 2005, we purchased AeroRepublica, the second-largest air carrier in Colombia in terms of number of passengers carried each year since 2005. We have expanded to 65 destinations in 29 countries. We plan to continue our expansion, which includes increasing our fleet, over the next several years.



Copa Holdings is a leading Latin American provider of airline passenger and cargo service through our two principal operating subsidiaries, Copa Airlines and Copa Airlines Colombia. Copa Airlines operates from its strategically located position in the Republic of Panama, and Copa Airlines Colombia provides service primarily within Colombia complemented by international flights from various cities in Colombia to Panama City, Caracas, Cancun, Mexico City, Guayaquil, and Quito.

Copa Airlines offers more than 280 daily scheduled flights among 65 destinations in 29 countries in North, Central and South America and the Caribbean from its Panama City hub. Copa Airlines provides passengers with access to flights to more than 120 other destinations through codeshare arrangements with the new United pursuant to which each airline places its name and flight designation code on the other's flights. Through its Panama City hub, Copa Airlines is able to consolidate passenger traffic from multiple points to serve each destination effectively.

Copa Airlines Colombia provides service to 10 cities in Colombia as well as international connectivity with Copa Airlines' Hub of the Americas through flights from Barranquilla, Bogota, Bucaramanga, Cali, Cartagena, Medellin and Pereira. Additionally, Copa Airlines Colombia has international flights from Colombia to Panama City, Caracas, Cancun, Mexico City, Guayaquil, and Quito.

As of December 31, 2012 Copa Holdings operates a fleet of 82 passenger aircraft: 56 Boeing 737-Next Generation aircraft, 26 Embraer 190 aircraft.





COMPETITIVE STRENGTHS AND BUSINESS STRATEGY
COMPETITIVE STRENGTHS

We believe our primary business strengths that have allowed us to compete successfully in the airline industry include the following:

Our "Hub of the Americas" airport is strategically located. We believe that Copa's base of operations at the geographically central location of Tocumen International Airport in Panama City, Panama provides convenient connections to our principal markets in North, Central and South America and the Caribbean, enabling us to consolidate traffic to serve several destinations that do not generate enough demand to justify point-to-point service. Flights from Panama operate with few service disruptions due to weather, contributing to high completion factors and on-time performance. Tocumen International Airport's sea-level altitude allows our aircraft to operate without performance restrictions that they would be subject to at higher-altitude airports. We believe that Copa's hub in Panama allows us to benefit from Panama City's status as a center for financial services, shipping and commerce and from Panama's stable, dollar-based economy, free-trade zone and growing tourism.

We focus on keeping our operating costs low. In recent years, our low operating costs and efficiency have contributed significantly to our profitability. Our operating cost per available seat mile, excluding costs for fuel and fleet impairment charges, was 7.01 cents in 2004, 6.53 cents in 2005, 6.81 cents in 2006, 7.13 cents in 2007 and 7.46 in 2008. See "Item 5. Operating and Financial Review and Prospects" for a reconciliation of our operating cost per available seat mile when excluding costs for fuel and fleet impairment charges to our operating cost per available seat mile. We believe that our cost per available seat mile reflects our modern fleet, efficient operations and the competitive cost of labor in Panama.

Copa Airlines operates a modern fleet. Copa Airlines’ fleet consists of modern Boeing 737-Next Generation and Embraer 190 aircraft equipped with winglets and other modern cost-saving and safety features. Over the next years, Copa Airlines intends to enhance its modern fleet through the addition of at least 29 additional Boeing 737-Next Generation aircraft. We believe that Copa Airlines’ modern fleet contributes to its on-time performance and high completion factor (percentage of scheduled flights not cancelled). We expect our Boeing 737-700s, 737-800s and Embraer 190s to continue offering substantial operational cost advantages in terms of fuel efficiency and maintenance costs. Copa Airlines Colombia is currently implementing a fleet modernization and expansion plan. Since December 2007, Copa Airlines Colombia has taken delivery of 11 Embraer 190 aircraft and as of December 31, 2009 has purchase options and purchase rights for an additional five Embraer 190 aircraft.

We believe Copa Airlines has a strong brand and a reputation for quality service. We believe that the Copa Airlines brand is associated with value to passengers, providing world-class service and competitive pricing. For the year ended December 31, 2012, Copa Airlines' statistic for on-time performance was 89.20%, completion factor was 99.47% and baggage handling was 0.45 mishandled bags per 1000 passengers. Our goal is to apply our expertise in these areas to improve Copa Airlines Colombia's service statistics to comparable levels. Our focus on customer service has helped to build passenger loyalty. We believe that our brand has also been enhanced through our relationship with the new United, including our joint marketing of the MileagePlus loyalty program in Latin America, the similarity of our aircraft livery and aircraft interiors and our Copa Club partnership with United Club lounge program.

Our management fosters a culture of teamwork and continuous improvement. Our management team has been successful at creating a culture based on teamwork and focused on continuous improvement. Each of our employees at Copa Airlines has individual objectives based on corporate goals that serve as a basis for measuring performance. When corporate operational and financial targets are met, employees at Copa Airlines are eligible to receive bonuses according to our profit sharing program. We also recognize outstanding performance of individual employees through company-wide recognition, one-time awards, special events and, in the case of our senior management, grants of restricted stock and stock options. Copa Airlines’ goal-oriented culture and incentive programs have contributed to a motivated work force that is focused on satisfying customers, achieving efficiencies and growing profitability. We seek to create a similar culture at Copa Airlines Colombia.

BUSINESS STRATEGY

Our goal is to continue to grow profitably and enhance our position as a leader in Latin American aviation by providing a combination of superior customer service, convenient schedules and competitive fares, while maintaining competitive costs. The key elements of our business strategy include the following:

Expand our network by increasing frequencies and adding new destinations. We believe that demand for air travel in Latin America is likely to expand in the next decade, and we intend to use our increasing fleet capacity to meet this growing demand. We intend to focus on expanding our operations by increasing flight frequencies on our most profitable routes and initiating service to new destinations. Copa Airlines’ Panama City hub allows us to consolidate traffic and provide service to certain underserved markets, particularly in Central America and the Caribbean, and we intend to focus on providing new service to regional destinations that we believe best enhance the overall connectivity and profitability of our network.

Continue to focus on keeping our costs low. We seek to reduce our cost per available seat mile without sacrificing services valued by our customers as we execute our growth plans. Our goal is to maintain a modern fleet and to make effective use of our resources through efficient aircraft utilization and employee productivity. We intend to reduce our distribution costs by increasing direct sales, including internet and call center sales, as well as improving efficiency through technology and automated processes.

Emphasize superior service and value to our customers. We intend to continue to focus on satisfying our customers and earning their loyalty by providing a combination of superior service and competitive fares. We believe that continuing our operational success in keeping flights on time, reducing mishandled luggage and offering convenient schedules to attractive destinations will be essential to achieving this goal. We intend to continue to incentivize our employees to improve or maintain operating and service metrics relating to our customers' satisfaction by continuing our profit sharing plan and employee recognition programs and to reward customer loyalty with the popular MileagePlus frequent flyer program, upgrades and access to Copa Club and United Club lounges.

Capitalize on opportunities at Copa Airlines Colombia. We are seeking to enhance Copa Airlines Colombia's profitability through a variety of initiatives, including modernizing its fleet, integrating its route network with Copa's and improving overall efficiency.



Other updates..


FlyJam has taken to the skies and is now in the process if starting services to YYZ from KIN..GEO will start later this year..

Transaero is now negotiating with The Jamaican Govt to operate a twice weekly service for W14..

DL will resume ATL-KIN services in Dec using a MD88 for a daily service..

Citing lower than expected demand and increased competition..BW has reduced their KIN ops by 50%..

More in old thread..

To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45.. (by hummingbird Oct 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9814 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17336 times:

Isn't this a Copa or Panama thread? Are you sure Copa served KIN nonstop since 1969?

A388


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6165 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17328 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
We have expanded to 65 destinations in 29 countries. We plan to continue our expansion, which includes increasing our fleet, over the next several years.

next up....bze!

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
Are you sure Copa served KIN nonstop since 1969?

They serve MBJ too.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9814 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17232 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
Are you sure Copa served KIN nonstop since 1969?

They serve MBJ too.

Thanks yellowtail. I would have thought that a thread topic that represents Jamaica should for example be about the different airlines serving Jamaica and how they developed (number of flights/capacity) over the last year orso. Now one airline is featured that has nothing to do with Jamaica other than that they fly to Jamaica. I mean really, what is soo Jamaican about this thread topic? Zero, nada.

A388


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17201 times:
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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
next up....bze!

Its long overdue..
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I got this pic of an Air China A330 in MBJ..I was told it was a charter and they received a water salute on arrival..




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A major boost for the industry..

JTB, British Airways showcase Jamaica to elite travel trade

The Jamaica Tourist Board (JTB), in partnership with British Airways, hosted a group of luxury-selling tour operators and travel agents on a five-day tour of the island from April 15-19. The trip was part of the JTB's campaign to showcase the island's impressive luxury tourism portfolio to the United Kingdom travel trade industry.

Attracting some of the biggest names in luxury travel, including Abercrombie & Kent, Azure Collection, ITC Classics, and Scott Dunn, the trip offered the group the chance to re-familiarise themselves with Jamaica's high-end tourism product.

The group flew directly to Kingston in the comfort of British Airways' Club World, which features the world's first fully-flat airline bed, after which they visited several prestigious properties along the north coast of the island. These included site inspections of Jamaica Inn, where supermodel Kate Moss is a regular guest, and Round Hill Hotel & Villas, which boasts guest rooms in Pineapple House designed by Ralph Lauren, who also owns two villas at the resort.

http://www.hospitalityjamaica.com/news2.html

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Quote:
Yet, the minister said, "We are also very excited that as of July 1, Kingston will be the first destination for Air Canada's leisure carriage, Rouge. Additionally, Air Canada Vacations has outlined significant growth plans for Jamaica as we head into next winter and beyond."

Could we possibly see extra flights from YYZ for the winter?

http://www.hospitalityjamaica.com/spot1.html

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Fly Jamaica has shown it's salute to mothers who traveled on Mother's Day, by ofering special gift bags..

Excellent ploy to retain passenger loyalty..Kudos..





http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/942891_382626981854758_324238170_n_zps955f80ab.jpg



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2622 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17182 times:

Since CM history was featured at the opening, it should be pointed out that CM major stockholders are Panamanians of Jamaican descent.
Quite ironical fact since CM presence on Jamaica has been like a roller-coaster with ups and downs during the past 25 years, but business is business, any family heritage left comes way after that.

Not sure if the traffic demand may entice CM to either add day-time flights to MBJ or KIN the same day the other airport has a flight or add an evening PTY-Jamaica, morning Jamaica-PTY flight a couple of days per week.
At least now Jamaica is linked to PTY every day, even if from different airports depending on the day of the week.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9814 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17169 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
Since CM history was featured at the opening, it should be pointed out that CM major stockholders are Panamanians of Jamaican descent.

That still doesn't mean that the airline is "Jamaican". If AA would have shareholders of Aruba, does that make then any more "Aruban"? No it doesn't. It would have been much more "Jamaican" if the topic was airlift to Jamaica and how it developed over the years (has it increased or dropped?). But putting all the lights on a foreign airline who happens to fly to your country, really???

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 17071 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):

they periodically feature different airlines and have used similar themes in the past. As Jamaica seeks to improve its connections to Latin America CM will play an integral part in all of this.

Its good that Jamaican Panamanians were involved. It might stimulate further traffic to PTY if more was known about this.

Despite the fact that Panamanians of West Indian descent are a very important group in Panama (I am told 15% of the population), not much is known about them in the Anglophone Caribbean, outside of the historical fact that they played a key role in the Canal 100 years ago. Its almost as if they disappeared! How are they doing in Panama these days?

Heritage tourism, especially from KIN/BGI, is a distinct possibility.


User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 17060 times:
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Be reminded that Jamaica's tourism has received a major boost of Latin American tourist (approximately eight percent) in the past six months, thanks to arrival Copa Airlines in MBJ. An additional flight is being added to this destination in the summer.

User currently onlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16994 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Welcome Guys,
This time we will feature Copa Airlines of Panama, who have served KIN since 1969..

Thanks for getting the new thread up and running. Like the title and its representation of CM's link and history between Panama and Jamaica.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
DL will resume ATL-KIN services in Dec using a MD88 for a daily service..

A bit surprised that they plan to restart with a daily service. I don't mind though. KIN is way under utilized. Even if they will not be able to maintain a daily year round into KIN, hopefully they will at least be able to keep a presence of sorts.

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
Are you sure Copa served KIN nonstop since 1969?

Their website indicates that they indeed started services to KIN since then.............


'' In 1969, the first AVRO 748 was introduced for flights to Kingston in Jamaica "


http://www.copaair.com/sites/cc/en/a...rlines/pages/nuestra-historia.aspx

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
next up....bze!
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 4):
Its long overdue..

Thought they would have been on that sector long ago. It will happen eventually I figure.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 4):
I got this pic of an Air China A330 in MBJ..I was told it was a charter and they received a water salute on arrival..

Great to see that unusual " visitor " at MBJ..................

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 4):
Could we possibly see extra flights from
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 4):
Fly Jamaica has shown it's salute to mothers who traveled on Mother's Day, by ofering special gift bags..

Excellent ploy to retain passenger loyalty..Kudos..

Fly Jamaica is going hard. I am certain the gesture was highly appreciated.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
it should be pointed out that CM major stockholders are Panamanians of Jamaican descent.

Very interesting. Wasn't aware of that.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 7):
they periodically feature different airlines and have used similar themes in the past.

  


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Last week Thursday I visited the control tower at the Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston and snapped a few photos of the evening activities...........


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/NMIA/DSC01186_zpsb7755e45.jpg

New tower construction in progress.


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/NMIA/DSC01191_zps83a27591.jpg

B6 inbound from FLL.


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/NMIA/DSC01192_zpsb8074ceb.jpg

B6's E190 looking sharp in the Jamaican sunset.




Preparing for return hop to FLL.


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/NMIA/DSC01190_zps195a6cdd.jpg


Hope you all liked the photos.

[Edited 2013-05-15 21:40:49]

[Edited 2013-05-15 21:48:54]


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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2622 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16934 times:

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 8):
Be reminded that Jamaica's tourism has received a major boost of Latin American tourist (approximately eight percent) in the past six months, thanks to arrival Copa Airlines in MBJ. An additional flight is being added to this destination in the summer.

This means that there will be days when both KIN and MBJ would get separate PTY flights. Doubt CM will fly PTY-KIN-MBJ-PTY as they did when CM 1st opened MBJ years ago.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
DL will resume ATL-KIN services in Dec using a MD88 for a daily service..

Hope this time DL has chosen the best schedule for both KIN and ATL connecting passengers.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9814 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16934 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):
'' In 1969, the first AVRO 748 was introduced for flights to Kingston in Jamaica "

That doesn't mean the route was operated continuously, it only says that they started flights to KIN in 1969. AA also has started flights from MIA to CUR in the 80's but they stopped flying for a while to restart later again. To my knowledge CM didn't fly to Jamaica continuously.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):
Last week Thursday I visited the control tower at the Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston and snapped a few photos of the evening activities...........

Nice photos you have there  

Cheers,

A388


User currently offlinejm079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16893 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):

Great to see you highlight Copa as in this recent article it focus on the growth of the airline. Copa last year move in excess of 18,000 passengers to the island last year from Latin American countries.
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...oubles-airlift-to-Jamaica_14196658

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):

The Jamaica Thread has always showcase airline that services Jamaica. Perhaps you are not aware but INSEL was one of the airline we showcased in the past.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):

Awesome pic. Looking forward now to see the new tower next at MBJ. I also noticed that the main road leaving from Sangster Airport that merged with Kent Road has been closed and the road traffic shifted to the new highway. The closure of this road will allow the runway to be expanded.


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16859 times:
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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 7):
Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 8):
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):
Quoting jm079 (Reply 12):

I thank you guys for clearing the misunderstanding...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):
A bit surprised that they plan to restart with a daily service. I don't mind though. KIN is way under utilized. Even if they will not be able to maintain a daily year round into KIN, hopefully they will at least be able to keep a presence of sorts.
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 10):
Hope this time DL has chosen the best schedule for both KIN and ATL connecting passengers.

I have confidence, DL will remain in KIN year round..The KIN-ATL market has shown growth, yet it has been under-served..Also, DL will use their hub in ATL to offer US Domestic connections..

Times are as follow:

DL383 ATL1000 – 1308KIN M88 D
DL384 KIN1400 – 1717ATL M88 D

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):
Fly Jamaica is going hard. I am certain the gesture was highly appreciated.

Indeed..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):
Last week Thursday I visited the control tower at the Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston and snapped a few photos of the evening activities...........

Very nice pics man...I hope to see more activity in KIN in the near future..

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 10):
This means that there will be days when both KIN and MBJ would get separate PTY flights. Doubt CM will fly PTY-KIN-MBJ-PTY as they did when CM 1st opened MBJ years ago.

This is their summer schedule..I don't think it is economic for them to fly the aircraft between KIN and MBJ..

PTY-KIN

Sa,Mo,Tu and Th..Eq-E190

CM418 12:16PM-2:12PM

KIN-PTY
CM417 5:47PM-7:42PM

PTY-MBJ

Sa,Su,Mo and Thur..Eq B73G

CM146 9:30AM -11:32AM

MBJ-PTY
CM147 12:31PM-2:34PM

Quoting jm079 (Reply 12):
Awesome pic. Looking forward now to see the new tower next at MBJ. I also noticed that the main road leaving from Sangster Airport that merged with Kent Road has been closed and the road traffic shifted to the new highway. The closure of this road will allow the runway to be expanded.

Thanks..Cant wait for them to expand the runway..


Well guys, news is not looking good for BW's Jamaica operations..According to the media reports, BW lost over USD32 million on their Jamaican operations last year..

Quote:
He said government had received from CAL a restructuring outline to deal with the losses, adding that "we also intend to introduce significant restructuring of a lot of the routes and we have started that process with Air Jamaica and the Jamaican route. We incurred a loss of $32 million on those routes.

"The Jamaican Government has indicated concern with that and we have undertaken to send a high- level team to Jamaica to discuss it with them (early June). We'll discuss it with them, but as of now we are rationalising those routes to bring down costs," Howai said.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130516/business/business1.html

Am still baffled as to how a company this small could end up loosing so much money..

Quote:
Howai told the T&T Senate on Tuesday that the US$70 million loss did not include the US$40 million in fuel subsidy to the airline, even though he insisted that the airline remained solvent.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...est-losses-_14275970#ixzz2TUKcN1ce

Also, "low cost" operators as DL,WS and B6 are being blamed for BW's loss in Jamaica..

“The intention was to have a Caribbean airline and the merging of Air Jamaica and Caribbean Airlines was supposed to provide that. There was a stipulation by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that Jamaica would divest itself of Air Jamaica and that is how CAL and the Government of T&T stepped in.


Clearly it has not worked as it was intended to work because of the intervention of low cost carriers like Delta, West Jet, Jet Blue, which have come into the market place and usurped a lot of the traffic from those routes,” said Bharath, who is also Minister in the Ministry of Finance.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/business/2...-jamaica-merger-did-not-go-planned

[Edited 2013-05-16 13:17:24]


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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16851 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 13):
Clearly it has not worked as it was intended to work because of the intervention of low cost carriers like Delta, West Jet, Jet Blue, which have come into the market place and usurped a lot of the traffic from those routes,” said Bharath, who is also Minister in the Ministry of Finance.

When did Delta become a low cost operator?


User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2622 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16842 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 13):
This is their summer schedule

PTY-Jamaica twice per day Mo, Th and Sa; plus Su to MBJ and Tu to KIN?
That means We and Sa there aren't any fights at all between PTY (CM hub) and Jamaica.
What's CM planning department thinking? If they really want to be able to promote Jamaica the way it should be and be an alternative for Jamaicans travelling to Latin America not wanting to fly via MIA, CM must operate daily flights to the island.



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User currently offlinejm079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16830 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):

Jamaica intent to build a strategic relationship with Copa as the country looks to South America for new market. Jamaica Tourist Minister said last year " "We are actively looking at them with strategies we hope to implement,"

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...m-takes-off_13008803#ixzz2TUg60Xlm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 13):

Am told that the government of Jamaica is taking a deep interest in the matter as it has a minority share in the company. The issue is about CAL reducing capacity on its Jamaican operation which is far below the agreed level and the reduction is primarily on the gateways served by the disapora as well as the issue of coporate governance at CAL. Jamaica is alarmed at reports that there is inference by board members in the operation of the company.


User currently onlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16782 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
I would have thought that a thread topic that represents Jamaica should for example be about the different airlines serving Jamaica and how they developed (number of flights/capacity) over the last year orso. Now one airline is featured that has nothing to do with Jamaica other than that they fly to Jamaica. I mean really, what is soo Jamaican about this thread topic? Zero, nada.

What I find very ironic about your comment, is the fact that these concerns/sentiments were not expressed by you when 7I was featured as the theme for the Jamaican thread some time ago. Funny enough you were quite elated and appreciative when that carrier was highlighted. From time to time we put the spotlight on the various carriers that have served Jamaica throughout the years. It's not a big deal really.

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
That doesn't mean the route was operated continuously, it only says that they started flights to KIN in 1969. AA also has started flights from MIA to CUR in the 80's but they stopped flying for a while to restart later again. To my knowledge CM didn't fly to Jamaica continuously.

That may be true, but no where did anyone state that CM " continuously " served Jamaica since 1969. The opening sentence for the thread clearly states :

" This time we will feature Copa Airlines of Panama, who have served KIN since 1969.. "


Same for the first paragraph of the CM link I previously included :


'' In 1969, the first AVRO 748 was introduced for flights to Kingston in Jamaica "


Not seeing where the word " continuous " was a part of those sentences. Neither am I seeing where it was ever implied.


Your reply below :

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
Are you sure Copa served KIN nonstop since 1969?

.....easily gives the impression that it was categorically stated ( or implied ) that the service to Jamaica was a continuous one throughout the years, when in fact no one said it was. The focus here is that services to Jamaica by CM was started in 1969.

Quoting jm079 (Reply 12):
Copa last year move in excess of 18,000 passengers to the island last year from Latin American countries.

Quite impressive if you ask me. Hoping for more growth.

Quoting jm079 (Reply 12):
The Jamaica Thread has always showcase airline that services Jamaica.

   This is nothing strange or new to the Jamaican thread. There is a part of me that can't believe we are going down this road again......   

Quoting jm079 (Reply 12):
Looking forward now to see the new tower next at MBJ.

Was told that work has also started on the new MBJ one. Not certain how far they have reached though.


Thanks all for the comments re the photos. Hopefully I will be able to do same at MBJ in the near future.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2622 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16718 times:

Quoting jm079 (Reply 16):
Jamaica intent to build a strategic relationship with Copa as the country looks to South America for new market. Jamaica Tourist Minister said last year " "We are actively looking at them with strategies we hope to implement,"

CM flying to both MBJ and KIN the same 3 days per week and no flights at all to the island 2 days per week can't be seen as a good strategy Jamaica Tourist Authorities hope to implement.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16682 times:

Quoting jm079 (Reply 16):

Question. If BWs Jcan routes are losing money, then shouldnt there be an emphasis on figuring out how those routes be made at least break even? It appears to me that if the Jcan govt insists that these routes be flown, profitable or not, then they ought to offer revenues guarantees. If unwilling to offer such guarantees then they ought to remain silent about capacity reduction. Especially as they have allowed FJ to steal VFR passengers from BW, and indeed applaud its starting service.

After all its clear that the "Air Jamaica" brand has done nothing for BW. And indeed many might argue that it is an albatross, as most Trinis certainly said when it was clear that most, other than Manning, opposed this move. CAL is still in the process of establishing itself in a very rough aviation environment and to absorb JM's routes was a risky move, given that carrier's history of huge losses.

It might be best to discontinue the former JM routes and let the govt and people of Jamaica figure it out. That will leave BW to focus on making the rest of its operations profitable, or at least break even, especially as the fuel subsidy seems as if it will be discontinued in another 2 years.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 18):

The KIN and the MBJ markets are very different. MBJ has a focus on Latin visitors to Jca, while the KIN is focused on Jcan travel to and through PTY, a swell as business travel into Jca from Latin America.

It is hardly likely, given poor aviation connections between KIN and MBJ, that some one flying into one part of the island will seek to connect to another. So duplication of service on particular days is a non issue. Indeed the business focus of the KIN route shows more emphasis on mid week, and less on week end service. MBJ is designe dto give flexibility to those who want a full week vacation, or those who want a short stay (th-su, or mo-th).


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16671 times:
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As mentioned in the old thread, SY will operate FJM flights while the aircraft undergoes C-Check..
I was informed, the aircraft may return with a new livery..
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX120


Quoting bobnwa (Reply 14):

When did Delta become a low cost operator?

I guess, it was an error on their part..In other threads, it has been mentioned that BW has lower costs compared to their US counterparts..

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
PTY-Jamaica twice per day Mo, Th and Sa; plus Su to MBJ and Tu to KIN?
That means We and Sa there aren't any fights at all between PTY (CM hub) and Jamaica.
What's CM planning department thinking? If they really want to be able to promote Jamaica the way it should be and be an alternative for Jamaicans travelling to Latin America not wanting to fly via MIA, CM must operate daily flights to the island.

The flights to MBJ are timed to compliment with the travel patterns of Latin American tourists..It enables the tourists to stay in Jamaica for more than 4 days, which is of great benefit to the industry..
I have no doubt once the Latin American markets has shown strong growth , we may see daily services into MBJ.

Quoting jm079 (Reply 16):
Jamaica is alarmed at reports that there is inference by board members in the operation of the company.

No surprises here..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 17):
impressive if you ask me. Hoping for more growth.

Agree..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 19):
It appears to me that if the Jcan govt insists that these routes be flown, profitable or not, then they ought to offer revenues guarantees.

Not really..Its a matter of procedure and principle..BW knew ahead of plans to cut the services and did not inform the Govt of Jamaica..When they tried to contract BW, they were ignored..
I believe The JA Govt, moving forward is trying to find out what are BW plans so alternate arrangements can me made to accommodate customers...
BW already has a fuel subsidy..I am against an subsidies being offered...

Quoting guyanam (Reply 19):
It might be best to discontinue the former JM routes and let the govt and people of Jamaica figure it out. That will leave BW to focus on making the rest of its operations profitable, or at least break even, especially as the fuel subsidy seems as if it will be discontinued in another 2 years.

They close The Jamaica base, you are looking at a further $20-$30 million in losses..

[Edited 2013-05-17 12:03:44]


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User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16642 times:
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JFK-GEO will initially see FJ 3 times weekly using 757-200 ER aircraft.

User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16622 times:

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 21):

Will it be nonstop? If so these services will be welcomed as BW is completely booked out of GEO (and POS) for the next few weeks.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 20):

Personally I do not think that Jca cares one iota for BW and are just making noise for political purposes, and to demand money that BW owes them for landing fees, etc.

The likely scenario is that BW will refuse to increase service, Jca withdraws the AJ brand, and BW then closes its KIN base. T&T govt negotiates a repayment plan for landing fees, etc as part of its agreement to close its KIN base, and lay off the remaining Jcan employees. All political bases are covered.

BW is getting a Fuel subsidy from the Govt of Trinidad. Given that this subsidy is being paid by T&T taxpayers there can be no demand by Jamaica that BW should provide services on routes where they cannot make money. A major part of the subsidy is now being used to service loss making routes between KIN/MBJ and FLL/JFK/YYZ, routes which were also loss makers for JM.

Why should any T&T PM risk her political neck by explaining to T&T taxpayers why they ought to pay for airline access on former JM routes? How does this benefit T&T? Clearly it doesnt as BW has lost $US32MM as a result, money that could have been used to acquire their new planes, and this is in addition to the massive expenditure by the T&T govt to set up tghis KIN base.

Its clear that the "Air Jamaica" brand no longer has any value and so there is no reason why BW should pay to use it, and then lose US$30MM as a result. BW is neither wanted nor needed by Jca (except to the E.Cbn), and so ought to focus on its core E/Cabn network.

T&T should pay the Jca govt what it owes for fees and taxes, scrap the 16% shareholding as this also has little value as BW is almost bankrupt.

.IMHO T&T should have left Golding to stew in his own gravy when he would have been forced to explain to Jcans why he had to shut down JM, leaving them exposed to the will of US and Canadian carriers, but that is water under the bridge.


User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16587 times:

Hey all, today I had the opportunity to tour my new "home" which is under construction and I was able to snap a few pics! Do not get too fussy; pics were taken using my phone.












Cleared for takeoff!
User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16389 times:
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Quoting guyanam (Reply 22):
Will it be nonstop? If so these services will be welcomed as BW is completely booked out of GEO (and POS) for the next few weeks.

These will be non stop and subjected to approval by Guyana. Two additional flights may operate from KIN with YYZ and JFK connections in mind.


25 guyanam : Well if US FAA authorization has already been provided then a nonstop JFK GEO is a go as there is already pressure within Guyana to do so. The GY CAA
26 A388 : All I said was "Nice summary of Insel Air, thanks!!!", nothing more. My point is not whether it's nice or not but rather that I would have expected s
27 yankeejuliet : BW is of no competition to the privately owned Fly Jamaica anytime, anywhere because of their poor customer service throughout their network fly jam
28 guyanam : What you say might hold for Jamaica. You might find out that Guyanese are as skeptical of a Jamaican product as Jamaicans are of a Trinidadian. We wi
29 jm079 : Fair enough, I understand that but highlighting carriers that serves Jamaica whether to KIN or MBJ is unique to us here on this thread as the Jamaica
30 Post contains images JM017 :
31 hummingbird : Nice pics man.. According to the T&T media, they have chosen a chairman who has career experience in Jamaica.. IMO..Too little too late.. Am not
32 Post contains images A388 : Alrighty then my friend A388
33 airjamaica : Hope so. Looking forward to see it whenever it is presented. It will be very interesting to see how this will all play out. But employing such tactic
34 Post contains links hummingbird : According to a media release, Fly Jamaica has been granted it's license by the Canadian authorities and is expected to start services in June 2013.. A
35 Post contains images airjamaica : Pleased to hear that Fly Jamaica is expected to inaugurate KIN-YYZ by June all things being well. As expected, they have their eyes set on FLL as wel
36 guyanam : The issue with FJ is whether they are sufficient capitalized to withstand the drought of late Aug/mid Nov when little revenue comes in due to the aut
37 Post contains links hummingbird : Actually, FLL is a big market that FJM can easily steal from B6 and BW.. When BW took over JM routes, they were a total of 4 flights plying FLL-KIN..
38 guyanam : Maybe PY and B6 are established carriers and FJ has yet to prove that it can survive a slow season without runnimng into financial difficulties. havi
39 2travel2know2 : I wonder if the same B757 could do a KIN-FLL-KIN-JFK-KIN-FLL-KIN rotation departing KIN at 0600h
40 airjamaica : I agree. Part of the objective here I think is to have options for the traveling public on the JFK-GEO route, as opposed to just one carrier which wi
41 2travel2know2 : With a 0530 KIN departure to FLL, the same aircraft may be used for morning and evening KIN-FLL-KIN and mid-morning KIN-JFK-KIN. Turnarounds @ FLL an
42 yellowtail : Now you are beginning to think like a route planner! Its asset allocation, asset allocation, asset allocation! They only problems with tight turns on
43 Post contains links hummingbird : I read where PY was trying to acquire another Boeing narrow body..It could be a B-classic or B-NG..IMO..I don't think PY should consider the GEO-JFK
44 Post contains links jm079 : The reason the diaspora stayed away lies in what Lalor had to say here: "Questioned on what he felt caused the losses incurred by Jamaica, Lalor simp
45 airjamaica : I can recall back in the day JM's last MIA-KIN flight for the evening was usually scheduled to get in between 10:00 pm and 11:30 pm every night depen
46 2travel2know2 : Well in this case, plane one does KIN-FLL-KIN-JFK-KIN departing KIN 0600h, plane 2 does KIN-JFK-KIN-FLL-KIN also departing KIN 0600h.
47 ilanbwoy : Whats up everybody, its been awhile. I have been reading, just not posting. Anyways..here is my take. Its not just b6 watching fj. You can bet a few $
48 guyanam : Mr Gilmore. a citizen of Jamaica, filed a claim against BW. That doesnt mean that the US giovt cares. Especially when BW has been given route rights
49 jm079 : CAL approach to its Jamaican operation lies in the fact the present government in POS is not Pan Caribbean as was the previous government and as the
50 airjamaica : DL's announcement of a daily MD88 ATL-KIN restart caught me off guard as well. Let's see how long they will remain on this sector this time around. G
51 Post contains links jm079 : There VP for Latin American, Nicolas Ferri, told the Jamaican Observer .."It's (Kingston to Atlanta) a really big addition for us, it's one of those
52 yellowtail : With this timing.....you get to ATL just as the arrival halls (remember they separate out connecting from ATL traffic....psssst MIA if you are listen
53 guyanam : Which local Caribbean airline owned by local businessmen succeeded? We had the Butch Stewart fiasco and Air Caribbean of Trinidad. GA 2000 of Guyana
54 hummingbird : Agree...I realize a lot of Jamaicans have opened their hearts to the new service.. That was the original cycle for the aircraft.. I believe, the most
55 2travel2know2 : EWR-KIN may be a more attractive market for UA to look than IAH-KIN. Also KIN arrival and departure times would play a big part on any UA success in
56 hummingbird : They could use a similar timetable as B6 from JFK, where the aircraft leaves EWR before 8am, with an early afternoon arrival for the return time.. I
57 A388 : Just out of curiosity, was the MBJ-LAX route the longest nonstop route of the A321? Seems like a pretty long distance for the A321...? A388
58 hummingbird : DOT Stats, OCT 2012.. BW FLL-KIN 6776-5027 74% KIN-FLL 11088-4649 42% FLL-MBJ 8932-4103 46% MBJ-FLL 4620-3274 71% JFK-KIN 8470-6713 79% KIN-JFK 8470-6
59 2travel2know2 : UA 0800h EWR departure to KIN might mean a 1700h EWR arrival; tough time to arrive at EWR F.I.S. If its for EWR F.I.S. and whichever connecting traff
60 hummingbird : Dot Stats, Nov 2012 BW FLL-KIN 8316-6052 73% KIN-FLL 12936-5822 45% JFK-KIN 9086-7327 81% KIN-JFK 9086-7211 79% JFK-MBJ 4466-3777 85% MBJ-JFK 4466-340
61 yellowtail : for the 752: parts cost more, overhaul costs more, crewing costs more, higher land fees. THere is much more to running a aircraft than lease costs. m
62 Post contains links and images airjamaica : As per the article, it appears as if they will use the larger B752 during the peak periods. I really hope they stick around this time in KIN if it is
63 yellowtail : There is an internal DL commitment to move CentralAm and Caribbean flights over to 73s and 75s as they get new aircraft it and leave the MDs to domes
64 A388 : It does equal profits if the ticket prices are sufficiently high combined with the needed load factor to make a profit and I can't imagine AA selling
65 2travel2know2 : IMHO, distance-wise UA Jamaica-ORD-Far East may be shorter than DL via LAX. But let J.T.B. go after DL LAX-MBJ, see how it performs and then they cou
66 yellowtail : i think this is more than when than if. but are they sufficiently high? Yes, AA does sell expensive tickets to the Caribbean....is some markets.....b
67 Post contains images A388 : Okay, where is AA to tell us their fares throughout the year on the DFW-MBJ route A388
68 guyanam : JM made many attempts on the LAX MBJ route but its low yield. I doubt it has the VFR that LAX BZE has, and I was of the opinion that the leisure trad
69 airjamaica : It is well established that a full load doesn't necessarily equate to profits. What I was really getting at is it seem quite a number of those passen
70 speedbird2263 : Remember Mike Conway and the uproar from the JM flight crew? lol -2263
71 yankeejuliet : Agreed, but 752 will have to suffice in some markets until the the Airbus 321neo becomes available. FJ has the right aircraft for its missions at thi
72 yankeejuliet : Mike eventually decided on 6 A319's for JM. Unfortunately his contract was up after the first aircraft arrived. It was registered 6Y-JAD [msn3331]. T
73 yellowtail : I would venture to say that 95% of them were connecting. Aircraft with relatively bad CASM. The reason why B6 did not choose them and DL not refurbis
74 Post contains links hummingbird : According to the JTB Online arrivals stats for the month of March, there has been a huge increase in the number of arrivals from South and Central Ame
75 airjamaica : Remember quite vividly. They were not pleased at all !! Lol. Neither was I. Any idea which company this aircraft is flying for now ? Time will tell.
76 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : But please CM take notice and don't keep Jamaica without a PTY flight 2 days per week as you do now!
77 Post contains links hummingbird : Now flying for Tatarstan Air in Russia.. The summer schedule will see a 4 weekly service starting tomorrow..Sat,Sun,Mon and Thur with a B738.. I agre
78 jm079 : When Butch had owned JM and he ran the LAX - MBJ , the route was to facilitate guest staying at his resort to have non stop flights. So why would you
79 2travel2know2 : Passengers travelling between Latin America and Jamaica - be MBJ or KIN traffic, be VFR, Higglers, or leisure passengers - were delighted that flying
80 JM017 : But that was precisely the problem, wasn't it? The airline was transporting passengers, and not making money.
81 airjamaica : So in a nutshell you are saying that originally the CM flights were scheduled in such a way that one could fly to Jamaica ( MBJ/KIN ) on any given da
82 yellowtail : That is less than the tourist numbers for Calif to BZE (3889 per month + the VFR) and BZE has only just now gotten a 1Xweekly LAX-BZE. I would ay tho
83 Post contains links airjamaica : As was disclosed some time ago, Fly Jamaica will be increasing the KIN-JFK frequency to daily service as at the end of June............... '' After se
84 Post contains links jm079 : KIN traffic is heavily VFR and MBJ is leisure. Two different markets. Fly-Jamaica announced that they will be operating daily service between KIN and
85 Post contains links hummingbird : This comes at a time when they were given the approval to start GEO-JFK/YYZ from the Guyanese authorities...Congrats to Fly Jam.. http://www.kaieteur
86 yellowtail : I was at KIN earlier this week and along with me I counted 38 BZE bound (KIN-MIA-BZE) pax. All individuals......and not the first time i seen that lev
87 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : Where's BW thrice weekly (GEO/BGI)-POS-KIN-BZE and 4 per week (GEO/BGI)-POS-KIN-NAS when you need it??
88 yankeejuliet : FJ's 757-200 is fresh out of "C" check. Look out for sister ship in a few days.
89 airjamaica : Great news indeed. Hopefully they will be able to acquire the additional B752 and start very soon. I assume that aircraft which completed her C check
90 guyanam : How often are there 38 BZE bou8nd passengers from KIN? The stats on a link above indicate that fewer than 200 people travelled from BZE to KIN in Jan
91 Post contains links and images hummingbird : Am sorry, but I don't see this ever happening....As I mentioned, there is no way those ATRs will grace KIN due to "stiff resistance" from another car
92 yellowtail : Don't assume that. Also the number of students at UWI Mona & BGI is sizeable. Lots of NGOs are travelling between BGI / POS and BZE too. PAHO, UN
93 LimaMike : The most noticeable change that was made to the aircraft is the inclusion of "WWW.FLY-JAMAICA.COM" in bold navy font on the aircraft's upper fuselage
94 airjamaica : Any idea of what time slots were available to them ? Guess we wont be seeing a new livery per say anytime soon. Hopefully I am wrong. They need a mor
95 hummingbird : I was told, due to runway construction, the only available slots available are after midnight... Btw, B6 will now send their A320s some days on the F
96 guyanam : Jamaica, I assume, records arrivals based on place of usual residence. Otherwise the data would be meaningless for tourism market analysis. I don't s
97 yellowtail : Did anyone get a pic of the The Mexican team's Interjet A320 going to PTY from Jamaica.
98 Post contains links airjamaica : Those slots wouldn't be ideal for Fly Jamaica on the KIN-FLL route at all. As expected. I am also expecting their E-190 to grace MBJ from FLL ( even
99 Post contains links and images hummingbird : I agree... I could see a twice daily service from KIN-FLL with an am and pm departure ex KIN.. Flyjamaica has once again stepped up their PR in New Y
100 Post contains images yankeejuliet : D'ont forget the lucrative JFK-GEO. market.
101 guyanam : When will tehy start? BW is adding capacity so the route isnt as underserved as it was.
102 hummingbird : Yes, BW is adding capacity, but at the same time, they are being blasted By The GOG for their exorbitant fares on the market..
103 guyanam : Do not for one minute assume that Fly Jamaica will not receive the same level of resistance from Guyanese that BW received from Jamaicans. BW will im
104 Post contains links and images airjamaica : Fly Jamaica will be adding two additional flights for the busy summer travel season. Here are the details : My co-worker's family flew with them on th
105 Post contains links hummingbird : Cant wait to see aircraft # 2 for the launch of YYZ.. Things are taking a turn for the worst.. The Jamaican Govt has given BW a 30 days ultimatum to
106 yellowtail : That song sounds familiar.
107 Post contains links airjamaica : Same here. Eagerly anticipating the KIN-YYZ inaugural. Sadly Jamaica Air Shuttle did not manage to get investors on board and has now officially clos
108 Post contains links airjamaica : Seem there are some flight disruptions today due to a strike by local air traffic controllers................... '' The controllers who went on strike
109 Post contains links hummingbird : Its sad to see them go, but hopefully, they will find a new investor to restore services in the future.. Its getting louder as we speak...lol This is
110 airjamaica : Would be great to see CM increase flights to the island if the demand warrants it. Will YYZ-KIN be operated by '' Rouge " as well ? Seem they did a r
111 2travel2know2 : Lots of people - including myself - will be very happy the day CM flies from its hub to the Island of Jamaica every-day.
112 yankeejuliet : Look for this happening on the MBJ run by summer 2014 as the Jamaican tourism intrests increase their drive to boost arrivals from Latin American mar
113 Post contains links hummingbird : Yes..I also expect service increases to MBJ from YYZ in the near future.... Gone are the days when MBJ saw AC's A330 and A340.. I believe this is an
114 Post contains links airjamaica : Looking forward to that as well. Myself think the schedule will eventually look something like that. AC previously started up " Zip " and "Tango " to
115 Post contains links airjamaica : Great news for Jamaica. F9 will start DEN-MBJ come December............... F9 108 DEN-MBJ 0810-1500 A319 F9 107 MBJ-DEN 1555-1935 A319 '' Frontier Air
116 2travel2know2 : From what it was posted on other topics here on a.net, the flight will be a seasonal scheduled charter on behalf of Apple holidays and by the looks o
117 Post contains images point2point : The average daily O&D market to/from DEN/MBJ is about 55 pax per day, or 385 pax per week. With that number, I think that F9/Apple are looking at
118 airjamaica : I figured they would initially start with that type of seasonal scheduled service in cooperation with Apple. Great to see this new nonstop service. I
119 Post contains images point2point : I would think that mountain skiing is somewhere along the some lines of water skiing - just a lot colder and if one gets very good, a lot freer and f
120 Post contains links airjamaica : There are other areas of the island such as Bull Bay where surfing is popular but I wouldn't classify Montego Bay as a '' surfing " hot spot. More on
121 Post contains links and images hummingbird : Airline News.. LIAT, who recently received their first ATR72 aircraft, is looking at operating service to Jamaica.. http://www.antiguaobserver.com/lia
122 ilanbwoy : When is the 2nd plane coming for oj? With all the plans for expansion ex Geo and the upcoming yyz flights...1 plane is not going to cut it. Anybody ha
123 Post contains images speedbird2263 : Interesting that they have a Saab 340 with an ad for 757 FO's lol. I'd really love to know too when their 2nd ship is scheduled to arrive. With so ma
124 hummingbird : The last I heard, it will be in time for them to launch GEO and YYZ by the end of the month.. DOTS STATS DEC 2012 BW FLL-KIN 9702-9389 97% KIN-FLL 14
125 airjamaica : Would be great if they could add KIN to their route map and operate it successfully. Much welcome resumption of these seasonal connections by AC/Roug
126 mariner : I don't know what was posted in other threads, but that is incorrect. The flight numbers indicate it is regular Frontier (international) scheduled, b
127 Post contains links airjamaica : Plans for further upgrade of MBJ are on in earnest........................... '' The works to be done, said Brown Scotton, include overlay of the 2.6-
128 Post contains links airjamaica : The heat is turning up where competition on the KIN-YYZ route is concerned. KIN was Rouge's first international destination. But it wasn't by '' chan
129 hummingbird : Am also curious to see the blue print for the runway expansion..The expanded runway will definitely help with nonstop flights to Asia and Eastern Eur
130 GUYAIR707 : I met a FlyJamaica rep at a Guyana Tourism Expo, and was told they will begin flights end of July JFK-GEO nonstop. Any updates? GUYAIR707
131 GUYAIR707 : Well CAL is getting sloppy. On two flights they forgot my drink order and once my dinner order and that was in business. They are getting too big for
132 Post contains links and images hummingbird : Still awaiting updates.... I received a not so clear picture of an AF 77W in MBJ yesterday..Was this a charter or medical diversion..I believe this i
133 guyanam : I do not think that Guyanese chose BW for its service They did so because of lower fares and better baggage, against DL. Unfortunately for FlyJam man
134 GUYAIR707 : Their inflight service was pretty good up until now. Their frequent flyer operators are obnoxious, their JFK check in staff have a terrible attitude,
135 guyanam : Well lets hope that their new management rectifies this problem, though I doubt it because there have been complaints about their ground operations s
136 GUYAIR707 : Now I wish GOG hadn't closed GAC. GUYAIR707
137 airjamaica : Very curious to know why that AF B77W was in MBJ. The euro white is overbearing, but I like how they have " tweaked " the tail design and the " Air F
138 Post contains links airjamaica : The recently announced agreement between DL and VS will see VS placing their code on 91 DL routes. This also includes DL's JFK-MBJ sector.............
139 Post contains links hummingbird : I hope one day, they will become a permanent fixture in MBJ.. I agree..They have gone the extra mile to penetrate the local market and are currently
140 Post contains links A388 : Interesting work to be done on the runway in MBJ. As per below article, the runway has already been repaved by now, right? http://www.jamaicaobserver.
141 Post contains links hummingbird : MBJ has landed a new service with DL operating a season Sat only service linking IND... ----------------------------------------------------------- Th
142 GUYAIR707 : I saw in the newspapers on Sunday FlyJam advertised for Flight Attendants out of Guyana. That is great news as now employment gets a boost in Guyana
143 N312RM : I understand that this was THE inaugural route for Rouge. Does anyone know if this is correct?
144 airjamaica : Great to have a new carrier in MBJ. Who knows, maybe one day soon we will have charter flights between KBP and MBJ. In addition to the pending extens
145 airjamaica : Seem the edit feature is not working properly. The last sentence should read.....I think the second destination was LIR. That Rouge flight also depar
146 hummingbird : From an operational standpoint, it will be easier to use GEO based Flight Attendants..That way the company does not have to incur layover and other r
147 Post contains links hummingbird : More updates on FlyJamaica's GEO operation.. Jamaican registered carrier Fly Jamaica has posted a G$40 Million bond with the Guyana government and is
148 Post contains links airjamaica : Make a lot of sense to me. I was expecting them to have some in flight crew members and other staff based there. Even AA have flight attendants that
149 GUYAIR707 : Sweet, I wish them the best of luck. Well Guyanese are known for bringing everything and the kitchen sink so the baggage allowance will be much appre
150 Post contains links jm079 : According to this report from Routes Online In 2012 an estimated 139,000 O&D bi-directional O&D passengers flew between Georgetown and New Yo
151 airjamaica : On the KIN-JFK route the allowances are : 2 checked pcs. ( 55 pounds each ) free ECONOMY and 2 checked pcs. ( 70 pounds each ) free BUSINESS. As for
152 GUYAIR707 : They need at least 3 a/c to begin with, I think, and grow from there. I guess it depends on their loads. If they are reliable and courteous they will
153 guyanam : [ If I were FJ I will stay off the YYZ GEO route for a while. Its highly seasonal, and I am not sure if it can sustain 2 carriers in the off peak peri
154 Post contains links airjamaica : Speaking about AF/France, it is now being reported that arrivals from that country accounts for the largest group from Continental Europe......... ''
155 hummingbird : So BW has responded to Fly Jamaica's application.. Caribbean Airlines Limted OST-2013-0140 - Exemption - JFK-Georgetown, Guyana July 18, 2013 Applicat
156 GUYAIR707 : Yeah I agree, they should shore up JFK-GEO then do YYZ during peak periods. Hopefully they will be different, one thing I heard is that they own thei
157 guyanam : I am a bit more optimistic about their success than I am about Fly Guyana which is mired in controversy before its first flight. The big problem with
158 GUYAIR707 : In your opinion, do you think a OGL-POS-OGL (with a prop like the ATR) would work twice daily, with a morning return and an evening return? GUYAIR707
159 guyanam : I think that it will work at least 1X day. More passengers go to T&T than to BGI, though BW doesnt have the island network ex POS that LI has ex
160 Post contains links hummingbird : This is what you call an authentic Jamaican welcome.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yGEx6FnfsI -----------------------------------------------------
161 GUYAIR707 : I don't get it, CAL already operates GEO-JFK as Guyana's flag carrier. In addition, does Fly Jamaica's Guyanese part ownership make a difference, or
162 guyanam : The person(s) filing this grievance are misinformed. CAL is the appointed national carrier of Guyana, so has all the rights as if it was domiciled in
163 Post contains links and images hummingbird : A new Haitian start up carrier, is planning on adding Jamaica to it's roster.. Startup airline Sunrise Airways, based in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, is in
164 2travel2know2 : Aerogal is AV airline in Ecuador. Even if it looks like an scheduled charter, it'd possibly convince AV to launch MBJ from Colombia one day (probably
165 airjamaica : I notice that they also use their staff in the ads and on the website as well. Myself was wondering the same thing. I have been hearing that AA was t
166 hummingbird : Congrats to Bolt and Fraser-Pryce on regaining their global sprint titles..The Jamaican athletes are promoting our brand in Moscow...I would not be su
167 Post contains images A388 : Indeed congratulations to Bolt and co. to regain the titles in Moscow. I find that photo of Bolt and the lightning bolt in the background a very nice
168 airjamaica : Once again they delivered, and did us very proud. That would be a welcome equipment change if the traffic demands it. Back in the late 80's/early 90'
169 Post contains links hummingbird : Jamaica is looking to further boost it's presence in Brazil.. The ambassador noted that the Caribbean remained uncharted territory for many Brazilians
170 guyanam : So how is Fly Jamaica doing now that the summer is almost over?
171 Post contains links airjamaica : MBJ had quite a variety of charters back in the day and presently the line up is quite impressive as well. Hoping to see more of these initiatives wh
172 2travel2know2 : With a weaker Brazilian Real, Brazilians may travel less overseas in the coming months. CM has been really trying to get leisure passengers to fly ou
173 yellowtail : Please show us your evidence of this.....DL may be aggressive, but they would not have time for this sort of thing. Now if you were talking about a l
174 guyanam : Aside from DL, which US carrier cares about GEO? And which US carrier has raised the issue of BW getting flag carrier from status from Guyana, and th
175 Post contains links hummingbird : Once again, The Jamaicans electrified the Track and host City Moscow with their world class sprinting...The JTB is looking forward to an increase in a
176 airjamaica : Maybe they will eventually decide on something similar to that arrangement. It would be a start. I think I saw a photo once of Edelweiss in MBJ some
177 2travel2know2 : UA must be the logical choice for a LAX-MBJ or UA SFO-MBJ timed to connect to/from China and other Star Alliance airports in the Far East. G3 B737-800
178 yellowtail : DL woud be a more logical choice for LAX as they seem to be expanding southward from there. But yields (i.e diaspora traffic) would need to be there
179 Post contains links and images A388 : Hey guys, What's up. We talked about this some time ago, the AeroGal flights to Montego Bay. They have started charter flights to Curacao as well. See
180 Post contains links hummingbird : CM will increase flights to KIN and MBJ in Dec... Panama City – Kingston eff 16DEC13 Increase from 3 to 4 weekly CM418 PTY1216 – 1412KIN E90 x367
181 yellowtail : JM served LAX with both 310s and 321s I believe.
182 Post contains links and images A388 : Thanks hummingbird, I definately will EDIT: By the way, here's another photo that just got accepted in the database: View Large View MediumPhoto © R
183 2travel2know2 : Now the island of Jamaica will be linked daily to CM Hub of The Americas.
184 hummingbird : DOT JAN 2013 BW FLL-KIN 8162-5355 66% KIN-FLL 12782-7090 55% FLL-MBJ 9240-2942 32% MBJ-FLL 4774-3431 72% JFK-KIN 10626-7730 73% KIN-JFK 10472-9932 95%
185 airjamaica : Very pleased to see the frequency spike by CM to Jamaica. This is very encouraging news, considering all the challenges the aviation sector face nowa
186 2travel2know2 : Timed connections at SFO may mean odd MBJ arrival and departure times.. but If that's what it takes to properly link Jamaica with the Far East so let
187 Post contains links airjamaica : That is also true. Arrival/departure times at the MBJ end may not be the most ideal to align with the LAX arrival/departures. But it would still be b
188 A388 : I think the best options to go from China to Jamaica now would be via gateways in the U.S. (LAX, ORD or JFK). As far as I know Jamaica has no direct
189 2travel2know2 : An AC MBJ-YVR could help too. If Jamaica could convince CA to fly an scheduled charter PER-ANC-MBJ (8472mi) once per week, that would solve a lot of
190 Post contains images hummingbird : Agree.. Cant wait to see their B787 in KIN.. I assume the inbound aircraft from SFO would continue to onward to either IAH or EWR..I don't see the ai
191 airjamaica : Very true. That would be the perfect metal for such a long flight. Another option at their disposal. Agree. Interesting. Wasn't aware of that. Yes it
192 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : Fly Jamaica likely to begin GEO services next month says Kaieteur News: "The services of much anticipated partnership carrier Fly Jamaica Airways (FJ)
193 guyanam : The attempt to block FJ from doing nonstops I am sure is DL trying to squeeze Guyana into doing what ever they demanded of them. BWIA and JM had righ
194 yankeejuliet : Another way to overcome this issue is to have one flight operating JFK-GEO-KIN with one flight number as JM did in the past. A change to smaller A/C
195 GUYAIR707 : I have no doubt in my mind. Unless you live in the US or deal regularly with US Corporations you cannot know how 'cutthroat' they can be. I agree, th
196 Post contains links hummingbird : According to The Observer, Fly Jamaica is on target for a Sept start of their KIN-YYZ services..On another note, they are still working on the acquisi
197 Post contains links hummingbird : Yesterday, AC operated one flight and Rogue operated two flights into MBJ from YYZ.. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/R...2/history/20130901/2115Z/C
198 airjamaica : Is it the norm for them to rotate 3 daily flights into MBJ from YYZ at times or was this a one off thing ? I know during the winter months they have
199 hummingbird : I believe, it was a charter for an incentive group... Two extra flights are being ferried into MBJ today.. ------------------------------------------
200 airjamaica : Very interesting. Guess one of the flights will RON at MBJ ( ? ) Quite a presence they are carving out in the '' Bay "....................... Eager f
201 Post contains links A388 : During the airport tours I got when I was in Jamaica, there was a Rouge flight operated to KIN on 03SEP. I also photographed the FlyJam 757. See my p
202 Post contains links hummingbird : Nice pics of KIN.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to
203 A388 : Thanks hummingbird, it was a very interesting trip and I learnt a lot in those few days. Time was too short! Cheers, A388
204 airjamaica : Those photos look great. Apart from the overbearing white, I do like the AC Rouge livery. A larger font could have been used for the titles I think t
205 GUYAIR707 : This is good news. Looks like they will be competing head to head with BW with the 767 if they do go that way. Very nice pics indeed. FlyJam now with
206 jm079 : Awesome pics, A388 Delta will be using the A319 for summer of 2014 on the KIN - ATL
207 LimaMike : And the aircraft will remain overnight in KIN. With an a.m. departure DL can possibly position itself as a viable alternative to AA 's MIA service fo
208 2travel2know2 : Wise DL.. am departure from KIN to the States (not MIA/FLL). But an A319 may not be too big to start? Perhaps even an UA EWR-KIN might work one day t
209 airjamaica : Was expecting to see the 319 on KIN-ATL by DL. Perfect metal for that sector I think. I for one would choose an ATL connection any day over MIA. Mayb
210 yellowtail : aye! The BZE model. They will switch equipment almost monthly to match capacity and demand. For example. BZE-ATL had the 319 scheduled for Sept but i
211 airjamaica : Yes DL is quite famous for their frequent equipment change I observe. Well, that they will certainly do, as they will be the only carrier operating n
212 A388 : Thanks for the nice comments, it indeed was a very informative trip and nice. A388
213 Post contains links GUYAIR707 : BW's fuel subsidy is removed as of October 1st. I guess this makes DL and LI happier. Source: http://www.winnfm.com/business/5512-...airlines-300m-fue
214 guyanam : So I expect to see DL back on the JFK GEO if the fuel subsidy is the reason for them ceasing service. Yeah right! We will then discover that there wa
215 Post contains images yellowtail : Remember there were two reasons...only one has now been addressed. all I can say at this point is we'll see
216 GUYAIR707 : I am more hoping that FJ starts. U.S. companies have all the business they need. GUYAIR707
217 guyanam : Oh so you want Guyana to discontinue BW as their flag carrier? So how will this favorably impact DL I wonder? And why cant Guyana have its "own" airl
218 LimaMike : Their ad hoc and on-and-off schedules have not helped them to be considered a great option in KIN in the past. By the time the market learns of their
219 Post contains links airjamaica : A fuel farm will be located at the Ian Fleming Int. Airport in St. Mary...................... '' Jamaica Aircraft Refuelling Services (JARS) has devel
220 Post contains links hummingbird : Fly Jamaica Airways flies to Georgetown (Guyana), Kingston (Jamaica), New York and very soon to Toronto (Ontario, Canada). Fly Jamaica is slated to be
221 Post contains links hummingbird : Here is more info: YYZ is scheduled to start Oct 8, 2013.. A B767 is expected in Nov.. http://www.caribnewsdesk.com/news/6535- ... rk-toronto Fly Jama
222 guyanam : Long day for Guyanese. Leave at 1 AM and arrive JFK at 1015 AM, with a two hour lay over at KIN in the wee hours of the morning. I do not know how po
223 airjamaica : Good to see progress being made where additional services to/from KIN and GEO is concerned. So JFK-GEO will operate nonstop but GEO-JFK will operate
224 guyanam : Given that GEO KIN is mainly business driven 2X will not be enough so most people will have to connect thru POS. Also a letter writer in Guyana claim
225 hummingbird : Be patient, its in the works.. Agree..If they are able to stimulate the market, I expect a B757 by W14.. This is one reason I admire DL, they are fle
226 guyanam : My definition of Guyana having their "own" airline means any CARICOM based carrier which Guyana selects to be its flag carrier, and/or fly routes on
227 Post contains links jm079 : Fly- Jamaica will commence flights out of Toronto on October 8 2013, it has being announced. BTW: Air Canada Vacations and Westjet Vacations have bei
228 airjamaica : Options are always good. Where flexibility is concerned, OJ may be at a disadvantage where some business traffic is concerned between KIN and GEO for
229 guyanam : OJ will need to be significantly cheaper than BW when one considers that the lay over at 3-5AM are at times when most people want to sleep. People do
230 Post contains images airjamaica : Hopefully they will be granted nonstop rights sooner than later. Agree. The complaints are quite ridiculous IMO. Don't see why it is such an issue.
231 jm079 : It is evident that the objection filed by the airline lobby in the USA to Fly Jamaica application to operate non-stop is being contrainted thus the s
232 Post contains images airjamaica : Guess the additional B767 will really come in handy for OJ. But I am still curious as to why not another B752 instead. I am sure OJ will up that freq
233 yellowtail : HOw one gets from this to this Boggles my mind..... Complain. Complain. Complain. You complain about a BW monopoly. the DL gouging. then that DL shoul
234 A388 : Guyana just needs nonstop flights from AA to Miami and problem solved. I think AA will do fine in Guyana too. A388
235 jm079 : What other option was available to the Guyanese travelling public then! Awesome This is indeed excellent news and I must add that the room count in t
236 guyanam : I will ignore what you cite as my "complaints". Maybe if you were not living all the way in Belize and knew more about Guyana you would know that the
237 Post contains images yellowtail : Actually I travel to GEO 3-4 times a year.....usually stay at the noisy Pegasus (because I enjoy the staff there) My wife also grew up in GEO, her da
238 airjamaica : To this day I am surprised AA has not at least attempted JFK-GEO or MIA-GEO, considering how aggressive they have been where expanding to destination
239 2travel2know2 : Well if UA knew that the Guyanese would be receptive to an EWR-GEO maybe they would have studied how such a route would perform. UA has EWR based B73
240 A388 : Coming to think of it, there was a thread a few months ago that said that AA was in the process of starting nonstop flights to Paramaribo in Surinam
241 Post contains links jm079 : The NMIA has released its report on the proposed extention of the runway and has being holding public hearing. The report is available here: http://w
242 GUYAIR707 : LOL...weird that people think that airlines are doing the country that they fly to a favour. Usually it's a business decision to make money. Even stat
243 yellowtail : Yes, there was . But I think it was speculation thread Yes, on a straight line basis you right, but in the end (unlike a hotel etc) their asset is mo
244 GUYAIR707 : I am confused how these are complaints. I thought these forums usually discussed airline strategy, such as departure/arrival times, equipment used, a
245 Post contains links hummingbird : New thread up.. GreenHeart Soars..Jamaican Thread 47 (by hummingbird Sep 17 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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