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Canal To Harbour..Jamaican Thread 46  
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17036 times:
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Welcome Guys,
This time we will feature Copa Airlines of Panama, who have served KIN since 1969..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/JM%20FAs/copa_airlines_zps70132306.jpg

Copa was established in 1947 by a group of Panamanian investors and Pan American World Airways, which provided technical and economic assistance as well as capital. Initially, Copa served three domestic destinations in Panama with a fleet of three Douglas C-47 aircraft. In the 1960s, Copa began its international service with three weekly flights to cities in Costa Rica, Jamaica and Colombia using a small fleet of Avro 748s and Electra 188s. In 1971, Pan American World Airways sold its stake in Copa to a group of Panamanian investors who retained control of the airline until 1986. During the 1980s, Copa suspended its domestic service to focus on international flights.

In 1986, CIASA purchased 99% of Copa, which was controlled by the group of Panamanian shareholders who currently control CIASA. From 1992 until 1998, Copa was a part of a commercial alliance with Grupo TACA's network of Central American airline carriers. In 1997, together with Grupo TACA, Copa entered into a strategic alliance with American Airlines. After a year our alliance with American Airlines was terminated by mutual consent.



On May 6, 1998, Copa Holdings, the holding company for Copa and related companies was incorporated as a sociedad anónima under the laws of Panama to facilitate the sale by CIASA of a 49% stake in Copa Holdings to Continental. In connection with Continental's investment, we entered into an extensive alliance agreement with Continental providing for code-sharing, joint marketing, technical exchanges and other cooperative initiatives between the airlines. At the time of our initial public offering in December 2005, Continental reduced its ownership of our total capital stock from 49% to approximately 27.3%. In a follow-on offering in June 2006, Continental further reduced its ownership of our total capital stock from 27.3% to 10.0%. In May 2008, Continental sold its remaining shares in the public market.

Since 1998, we have grown and modernized our fleet while improving customer service and reliability. Copa has expanded its fleet from 13 aircraft to 82 aircraft. In 1999, we received our first Boeing 737-700s, in 2003 we received our first Boeing 737-800s, and in 2005 we received our first Embraer 190. In the first quarter of 2005, we completed our fleet renovation program and discontinued use of our last Boeing 737-200s. During the second quarter of 2005, we purchased AeroRepublica, the second-largest air carrier in Colombia in terms of number of passengers carried each year since 2005. We have expanded to 65 destinations in 29 countries. We plan to continue our expansion, which includes increasing our fleet, over the next several years.



Copa Holdings is a leading Latin American provider of airline passenger and cargo service through our two principal operating subsidiaries, Copa Airlines and Copa Airlines Colombia. Copa Airlines operates from its strategically located position in the Republic of Panama, and Copa Airlines Colombia provides service primarily within Colombia complemented by international flights from various cities in Colombia to Panama City, Caracas, Cancun, Mexico City, Guayaquil, and Quito.

Copa Airlines offers more than 280 daily scheduled flights among 65 destinations in 29 countries in North, Central and South America and the Caribbean from its Panama City hub. Copa Airlines provides passengers with access to flights to more than 120 other destinations through codeshare arrangements with the new United pursuant to which each airline places its name and flight designation code on the other's flights. Through its Panama City hub, Copa Airlines is able to consolidate passenger traffic from multiple points to serve each destination effectively.

Copa Airlines Colombia provides service to 10 cities in Colombia as well as international connectivity with Copa Airlines' Hub of the Americas through flights from Barranquilla, Bogota, Bucaramanga, Cali, Cartagena, Medellin and Pereira. Additionally, Copa Airlines Colombia has international flights from Colombia to Panama City, Caracas, Cancun, Mexico City, Guayaquil, and Quito.

As of December 31, 2012 Copa Holdings operates a fleet of 82 passenger aircraft: 56 Boeing 737-Next Generation aircraft, 26 Embraer 190 aircraft.





COMPETITIVE STRENGTHS AND BUSINESS STRATEGY
COMPETITIVE STRENGTHS

We believe our primary business strengths that have allowed us to compete successfully in the airline industry include the following:

Our "Hub of the Americas" airport is strategically located. We believe that Copa's base of operations at the geographically central location of Tocumen International Airport in Panama City, Panama provides convenient connections to our principal markets in North, Central and South America and the Caribbean, enabling us to consolidate traffic to serve several destinations that do not generate enough demand to justify point-to-point service. Flights from Panama operate with few service disruptions due to weather, contributing to high completion factors and on-time performance. Tocumen International Airport's sea-level altitude allows our aircraft to operate without performance restrictions that they would be subject to at higher-altitude airports. We believe that Copa's hub in Panama allows us to benefit from Panama City's status as a center for financial services, shipping and commerce and from Panama's stable, dollar-based economy, free-trade zone and growing tourism.

We focus on keeping our operating costs low. In recent years, our low operating costs and efficiency have contributed significantly to our profitability. Our operating cost per available seat mile, excluding costs for fuel and fleet impairment charges, was 7.01 cents in 2004, 6.53 cents in 2005, 6.81 cents in 2006, 7.13 cents in 2007 and 7.46 in 2008. See "Item 5. Operating and Financial Review and Prospects" for a reconciliation of our operating cost per available seat mile when excluding costs for fuel and fleet impairment charges to our operating cost per available seat mile. We believe that our cost per available seat mile reflects our modern fleet, efficient operations and the competitive cost of labor in Panama.

Copa Airlines operates a modern fleet. Copa Airlines’ fleet consists of modern Boeing 737-Next Generation and Embraer 190 aircraft equipped with winglets and other modern cost-saving and safety features. Over the next years, Copa Airlines intends to enhance its modern fleet through the addition of at least 29 additional Boeing 737-Next Generation aircraft. We believe that Copa Airlines’ modern fleet contributes to its on-time performance and high completion factor (percentage of scheduled flights not cancelled). We expect our Boeing 737-700s, 737-800s and Embraer 190s to continue offering substantial operational cost advantages in terms of fuel efficiency and maintenance costs. Copa Airlines Colombia is currently implementing a fleet modernization and expansion plan. Since December 2007, Copa Airlines Colombia has taken delivery of 11 Embraer 190 aircraft and as of December 31, 2009 has purchase options and purchase rights for an additional five Embraer 190 aircraft.

We believe Copa Airlines has a strong brand and a reputation for quality service. We believe that the Copa Airlines brand is associated with value to passengers, providing world-class service and competitive pricing. For the year ended December 31, 2012, Copa Airlines' statistic for on-time performance was 89.20%, completion factor was 99.47% and baggage handling was 0.45 mishandled bags per 1000 passengers. Our goal is to apply our expertise in these areas to improve Copa Airlines Colombia's service statistics to comparable levels. Our focus on customer service has helped to build passenger loyalty. We believe that our brand has also been enhanced through our relationship with the new United, including our joint marketing of the MileagePlus loyalty program in Latin America, the similarity of our aircraft livery and aircraft interiors and our Copa Club partnership with United Club lounge program.

Our management fosters a culture of teamwork and continuous improvement. Our management team has been successful at creating a culture based on teamwork and focused on continuous improvement. Each of our employees at Copa Airlines has individual objectives based on corporate goals that serve as a basis for measuring performance. When corporate operational and financial targets are met, employees at Copa Airlines are eligible to receive bonuses according to our profit sharing program. We also recognize outstanding performance of individual employees through company-wide recognition, one-time awards, special events and, in the case of our senior management, grants of restricted stock and stock options. Copa Airlines’ goal-oriented culture and incentive programs have contributed to a motivated work force that is focused on satisfying customers, achieving efficiencies and growing profitability. We seek to create a similar culture at Copa Airlines Colombia.

BUSINESS STRATEGY

Our goal is to continue to grow profitably and enhance our position as a leader in Latin American aviation by providing a combination of superior customer service, convenient schedules and competitive fares, while maintaining competitive costs. The key elements of our business strategy include the following:

Expand our network by increasing frequencies and adding new destinations. We believe that demand for air travel in Latin America is likely to expand in the next decade, and we intend to use our increasing fleet capacity to meet this growing demand. We intend to focus on expanding our operations by increasing flight frequencies on our most profitable routes and initiating service to new destinations. Copa Airlines’ Panama City hub allows us to consolidate traffic and provide service to certain underserved markets, particularly in Central America and the Caribbean, and we intend to focus on providing new service to regional destinations that we believe best enhance the overall connectivity and profitability of our network.

Continue to focus on keeping our costs low. We seek to reduce our cost per available seat mile without sacrificing services valued by our customers as we execute our growth plans. Our goal is to maintain a modern fleet and to make effective use of our resources through efficient aircraft utilization and employee productivity. We intend to reduce our distribution costs by increasing direct sales, including internet and call center sales, as well as improving efficiency through technology and automated processes.

Emphasize superior service and value to our customers. We intend to continue to focus on satisfying our customers and earning their loyalty by providing a combination of superior service and competitive fares. We believe that continuing our operational success in keeping flights on time, reducing mishandled luggage and offering convenient schedules to attractive destinations will be essential to achieving this goal. We intend to continue to incentivize our employees to improve or maintain operating and service metrics relating to our customers' satisfaction by continuing our profit sharing plan and employee recognition programs and to reward customer loyalty with the popular MileagePlus frequent flyer program, upgrades and access to Copa Club and United Club lounges.

Capitalize on opportunities at Copa Airlines Colombia. We are seeking to enhance Copa Airlines Colombia's profitability through a variety of initiatives, including modernizing its fleet, integrating its route network with Copa's and improving overall efficiency.



Other updates..


FlyJam has taken to the skies and is now in the process if starting services to YYZ from KIN..GEO will start later this year..

Transaero is now negotiating with The Jamaican Govt to operate a twice weekly service for W14..

DL will resume ATL-KIN services in Dec using a MD88 for a daily service..

Citing lower than expected demand and increased competition..BW has reduced their KIN ops by 50%..

More in old thread..

To Di World...Jamaican Thread 45.. (by hummingbird Oct 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 16958 times:

Isn't this a Copa or Panama thread? Are you sure Copa served KIN nonstop since 1969?

A388


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 16950 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
We have expanded to 65 destinations in 29 countries. We plan to continue our expansion, which includes increasing our fleet, over the next several years.

next up....bze!

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
Are you sure Copa served KIN nonstop since 1969?

They serve MBJ too.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16854 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
Are you sure Copa served KIN nonstop since 1969?

They serve MBJ too.

Thanks yellowtail. I would have thought that a thread topic that represents Jamaica should for example be about the different airlines serving Jamaica and how they developed (number of flights/capacity) over the last year orso. Now one airline is featured that has nothing to do with Jamaica other than that they fly to Jamaica. I mean really, what is soo Jamaican about this thread topic? Zero, nada.

A388


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16823 times:
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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
next up....bze!

Its long overdue..
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I got this pic of an Air China A330 in MBJ..I was told it was a charter and they received a water salute on arrival..




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A major boost for the industry..

JTB, British Airways showcase Jamaica to elite travel trade

The Jamaica Tourist Board (JTB), in partnership with British Airways, hosted a group of luxury-selling tour operators and travel agents on a five-day tour of the island from April 15-19. The trip was part of the JTB's campaign to showcase the island's impressive luxury tourism portfolio to the United Kingdom travel trade industry.

Attracting some of the biggest names in luxury travel, including Abercrombie & Kent, Azure Collection, ITC Classics, and Scott Dunn, the trip offered the group the chance to re-familiarise themselves with Jamaica's high-end tourism product.

The group flew directly to Kingston in the comfort of British Airways' Club World, which features the world's first fully-flat airline bed, after which they visited several prestigious properties along the north coast of the island. These included site inspections of Jamaica Inn, where supermodel Kate Moss is a regular guest, and Round Hill Hotel & Villas, which boasts guest rooms in Pineapple House designed by Ralph Lauren, who also owns two villas at the resort.

http://www.hospitalityjamaica.com/news2.html

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Quote:
Yet, the minister said, "We are also very excited that as of July 1, Kingston will be the first destination for Air Canada's leisure carriage, Rouge. Additionally, Air Canada Vacations has outlined significant growth plans for Jamaica as we head into next winter and beyond."

Could we possibly see extra flights from YYZ for the winter?

http://www.hospitalityjamaica.com/spot1.html

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Fly Jamaica has shown it's salute to mothers who traveled on Mother's Day, by ofering special gift bags..

Excellent ploy to retain passenger loyalty..Kudos..





http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/942891_382626981854758_324238170_n_zps955f80ab.jpg



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 16804 times:

Since CM history was featured at the opening, it should be pointed out that CM major stockholders are Panamanians of Jamaican descent.
Quite ironical fact since CM presence on Jamaica has been like a roller-coaster with ups and downs during the past 25 years, but business is business, any family heritage left comes way after that.

Not sure if the traffic demand may entice CM to either add day-time flights to MBJ or KIN the same day the other airport has a flight or add an evening PTY-Jamaica, morning Jamaica-PTY flight a couple of days per week.
At least now Jamaica is linked to PTY every day, even if from different airports depending on the day of the week.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16791 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
Since CM history was featured at the opening, it should be pointed out that CM major stockholders are Panamanians of Jamaican descent.

That still doesn't mean that the airline is "Jamaican". If AA would have shareholders of Aruba, does that make then any more "Aruban"? No it doesn't. It would have been much more "Jamaican" if the topic was airlift to Jamaica and how it developed over the years (has it increased or dropped?). But putting all the lights on a foreign airline who happens to fly to your country, really???

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16693 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):

they periodically feature different airlines and have used similar themes in the past. As Jamaica seeks to improve its connections to Latin America CM will play an integral part in all of this.

Its good that Jamaican Panamanians were involved. It might stimulate further traffic to PTY if more was known about this.

Despite the fact that Panamanians of West Indian descent are a very important group in Panama (I am told 15% of the population), not much is known about them in the Anglophone Caribbean, outside of the historical fact that they played a key role in the Canal 100 years ago. Its almost as if they disappeared! How are they doing in Panama these days?

Heritage tourism, especially from KIN/BGI, is a distinct possibility.


User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16682 times:
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Be reminded that Jamaica's tourism has received a major boost of Latin American tourist (approximately eight percent) in the past six months, thanks to arrival Copa Airlines in MBJ. An additional flight is being added to this destination in the summer.

User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16616 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
Welcome Guys,
This time we will feature Copa Airlines of Panama, who have served KIN since 1969..

Thanks for getting the new thread up and running. Like the title and its representation of CM's link and history between Panama and Jamaica.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
DL will resume ATL-KIN services in Dec using a MD88 for a daily service..

A bit surprised that they plan to restart with a daily service. I don't mind though. KIN is way under utilized. Even if they will not be able to maintain a daily year round into KIN, hopefully they will at least be able to keep a presence of sorts.

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
Are you sure Copa served KIN nonstop since 1969?

Their website indicates that they indeed started services to KIN since then.............


'' In 1969, the first AVRO 748 was introduced for flights to Kingston in Jamaica "


http://www.copaair.com/sites/cc/en/a...rlines/pages/nuestra-historia.aspx

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
next up....bze!
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 4):
Its long overdue..

Thought they would have been on that sector long ago. It will happen eventually I figure.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 4):
I got this pic of an Air China A330 in MBJ..I was told it was a charter and they received a water salute on arrival..

Great to see that unusual " visitor " at MBJ..................

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 4):
Could we possibly see extra flights from
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 4):
Fly Jamaica has shown it's salute to mothers who traveled on Mother's Day, by ofering special gift bags..

Excellent ploy to retain passenger loyalty..Kudos..

Fly Jamaica is going hard. I am certain the gesture was highly appreciated.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
it should be pointed out that CM major stockholders are Panamanians of Jamaican descent.

Very interesting. Wasn't aware of that.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 7):
they periodically feature different airlines and have used similar themes in the past.

  


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Last week Thursday I visited the control tower at the Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston and snapped a few photos of the evening activities...........


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/NMIA/DSC01186_zpsb7755e45.jpg

New tower construction in progress.


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/NMIA/DSC01191_zps83a27591.jpg

B6 inbound from FLL.


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/NMIA/DSC01192_zpsb8074ceb.jpg

B6's E190 looking sharp in the Jamaican sunset.




Preparing for return hop to FLL.


http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/NMIA/DSC01190_zps195a6cdd.jpg


Hope you all liked the photos.

[Edited 2013-05-15 21:40:49]

[Edited 2013-05-15 21:48:54]


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16556 times:

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 8):
Be reminded that Jamaica's tourism has received a major boost of Latin American tourist (approximately eight percent) in the past six months, thanks to arrival Copa Airlines in MBJ. An additional flight is being added to this destination in the summer.

This means that there will be days when both KIN and MBJ would get separate PTY flights. Doubt CM will fly PTY-KIN-MBJ-PTY as they did when CM 1st opened MBJ years ago.

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
DL will resume ATL-KIN services in Dec using a MD88 for a daily service..

Hope this time DL has chosen the best schedule for both KIN and ATL connecting passengers.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16556 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):
'' In 1969, the first AVRO 748 was introduced for flights to Kingston in Jamaica "

That doesn't mean the route was operated continuously, it only says that they started flights to KIN in 1969. AA also has started flights from MIA to CUR in the 80's but they stopped flying for a while to restart later again. To my knowledge CM didn't fly to Jamaica continuously.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):
Last week Thursday I visited the control tower at the Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston and snapped a few photos of the evening activities...........

Nice photos you have there  

Cheers,

A388


User currently offlinejm079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16515 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):

Great to see you highlight Copa as in this recent article it focus on the growth of the airline. Copa last year move in excess of 18,000 passengers to the island last year from Latin American countries.
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...oubles-airlift-to-Jamaica_14196658

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):

The Jamaica Thread has always showcase airline that services Jamaica. Perhaps you are not aware but INSEL was one of the airline we showcased in the past.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):

Awesome pic. Looking forward now to see the new tower next at MBJ. I also noticed that the main road leaving from Sangster Airport that merged with Kent Road has been closed and the road traffic shifted to the new highway. The closure of this road will allow the runway to be expanded.


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16481 times:
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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 7):
Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 8):
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):
Quoting jm079 (Reply 12):

I thank you guys for clearing the misunderstanding...

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):
A bit surprised that they plan to restart with a daily service. I don't mind though. KIN is way under utilized. Even if they will not be able to maintain a daily year round into KIN, hopefully they will at least be able to keep a presence of sorts.
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 10):
Hope this time DL has chosen the best schedule for both KIN and ATL connecting passengers.

I have confidence, DL will remain in KIN year round..The KIN-ATL market has shown growth, yet it has been under-served..Also, DL will use their hub in ATL to offer US Domestic connections..

Times are as follow:

DL383 ATL1000 – 1308KIN M88 D
DL384 KIN1400 – 1717ATL M88 D

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):
Fly Jamaica is going hard. I am certain the gesture was highly appreciated.

Indeed..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 9):
Last week Thursday I visited the control tower at the Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston and snapped a few photos of the evening activities...........

Very nice pics man...I hope to see more activity in KIN in the near future..

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 10):
This means that there will be days when both KIN and MBJ would get separate PTY flights. Doubt CM will fly PTY-KIN-MBJ-PTY as they did when CM 1st opened MBJ years ago.

This is their summer schedule..I don't think it is economic for them to fly the aircraft between KIN and MBJ..

PTY-KIN

Sa,Mo,Tu and Th..Eq-E190

CM418 12:16PM-2:12PM

KIN-PTY
CM417 5:47PM-7:42PM

PTY-MBJ

Sa,Su,Mo and Thur..Eq B73G

CM146 9:30AM -11:32AM

MBJ-PTY
CM147 12:31PM-2:34PM

Quoting jm079 (Reply 12):
Awesome pic. Looking forward now to see the new tower next at MBJ. I also noticed that the main road leaving from Sangster Airport that merged with Kent Road has been closed and the road traffic shifted to the new highway. The closure of this road will allow the runway to be expanded.

Thanks..Cant wait for them to expand the runway..


Well guys, news is not looking good for BW's Jamaica operations..According to the media reports, BW lost over USD32 million on their Jamaican operations last year..

Quote:
He said government had received from CAL a restructuring outline to deal with the losses, adding that "we also intend to introduce significant restructuring of a lot of the routes and we have started that process with Air Jamaica and the Jamaican route. We incurred a loss of $32 million on those routes.

"The Jamaican Government has indicated concern with that and we have undertaken to send a high- level team to Jamaica to discuss it with them (early June). We'll discuss it with them, but as of now we are rationalising those routes to bring down costs," Howai said.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130516/business/business1.html

Am still baffled as to how a company this small could end up loosing so much money..

Quote:
Howai told the T&T Senate on Tuesday that the US$70 million loss did not include the US$40 million in fuel subsidy to the airline, even though he insisted that the airline remained solvent.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...est-losses-_14275970#ixzz2TUKcN1ce

Also, "low cost" operators as DL,WS and B6 are being blamed for BW's loss in Jamaica..

“The intention was to have a Caribbean airline and the merging of Air Jamaica and Caribbean Airlines was supposed to provide that. There was a stipulation by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that Jamaica would divest itself of Air Jamaica and that is how CAL and the Government of T&T stepped in.


Clearly it has not worked as it was intended to work because of the intervention of low cost carriers like Delta, West Jet, Jet Blue, which have come into the market place and usurped a lot of the traffic from those routes,” said Bharath, who is also Minister in the Ministry of Finance.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/business/2...-jamaica-merger-did-not-go-planned

[Edited 2013-05-16 13:17:24]


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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6443 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16473 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 13):
Clearly it has not worked as it was intended to work because of the intervention of low cost carriers like Delta, West Jet, Jet Blue, which have come into the market place and usurped a lot of the traffic from those routes,” said Bharath, who is also Minister in the Ministry of Finance.

When did Delta become a low cost operator?


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16464 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 13):
This is their summer schedule

PTY-Jamaica twice per day Mo, Th and Sa; plus Su to MBJ and Tu to KIN?
That means We and Sa there aren't any fights at all between PTY (CM hub) and Jamaica.
What's CM planning department thinking? If they really want to be able to promote Jamaica the way it should be and be an alternative for Jamaicans travelling to Latin America not wanting to fly via MIA, CM must operate daily flights to the island.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlinejm079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16452 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):

Jamaica intent to build a strategic relationship with Copa as the country looks to South America for new market. Jamaica Tourist Minister said last year " "We are actively looking at them with strategies we hope to implement,"

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...m-takes-off_13008803#ixzz2TUg60Xlm

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 13):

Am told that the government of Jamaica is taking a deep interest in the matter as it has a minority share in the company. The issue is about CAL reducing capacity on its Jamaican operation which is far below the agreed level and the reduction is primarily on the gateways served by the disapora as well as the issue of coporate governance at CAL. Jamaica is alarmed at reports that there is inference by board members in the operation of the company.


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16404 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):
I would have thought that a thread topic that represents Jamaica should for example be about the different airlines serving Jamaica and how they developed (number of flights/capacity) over the last year orso. Now one airline is featured that has nothing to do with Jamaica other than that they fly to Jamaica. I mean really, what is soo Jamaican about this thread topic? Zero, nada.

What I find very ironic about your comment, is the fact that these concerns/sentiments were not expressed by you when 7I was featured as the theme for the Jamaican thread some time ago. Funny enough you were quite elated and appreciative when that carrier was highlighted. From time to time we put the spotlight on the various carriers that have served Jamaica throughout the years. It's not a big deal really.

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
That doesn't mean the route was operated continuously, it only says that they started flights to KIN in 1969. AA also has started flights from MIA to CUR in the 80's but they stopped flying for a while to restart later again. To my knowledge CM didn't fly to Jamaica continuously.

That may be true, but no where did anyone state that CM " continuously " served Jamaica since 1969. The opening sentence for the thread clearly states :

" This time we will feature Copa Airlines of Panama, who have served KIN since 1969.. "


Same for the first paragraph of the CM link I previously included :


'' In 1969, the first AVRO 748 was introduced for flights to Kingston in Jamaica "


Not seeing where the word " continuous " was a part of those sentences. Neither am I seeing where it was ever implied.


Your reply below :

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
Are you sure Copa served KIN nonstop since 1969?

.....easily gives the impression that it was categorically stated ( or implied ) that the service to Jamaica was a continuous one throughout the years, when in fact no one said it was. The focus here is that services to Jamaica by CM was started in 1969.

Quoting jm079 (Reply 12):
Copa last year move in excess of 18,000 passengers to the island last year from Latin American countries.

Quite impressive if you ask me. Hoping for more growth.

Quoting jm079 (Reply 12):
The Jamaica Thread has always showcase airline that services Jamaica.

   This is nothing strange or new to the Jamaican thread. There is a part of me that can't believe we are going down this road again......   

Quoting jm079 (Reply 12):
Looking forward now to see the new tower next at MBJ.

Was told that work has also started on the new MBJ one. Not certain how far they have reached though.


Thanks all for the comments re the photos. Hopefully I will be able to do same at MBJ in the near future.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16340 times:

Quoting jm079 (Reply 16):
Jamaica intent to build a strategic relationship with Copa as the country looks to South America for new market. Jamaica Tourist Minister said last year " "We are actively looking at them with strategies we hope to implement,"

CM flying to both MBJ and KIN the same 3 days per week and no flights at all to the island 2 days per week can't be seen as a good strategy Jamaica Tourist Authorities hope to implement.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16304 times:

Quoting jm079 (Reply 16):

Question. If BWs Jcan routes are losing money, then shouldnt there be an emphasis on figuring out how those routes be made at least break even? It appears to me that if the Jcan govt insists that these routes be flown, profitable or not, then they ought to offer revenues guarantees. If unwilling to offer such guarantees then they ought to remain silent about capacity reduction. Especially as they have allowed FJ to steal VFR passengers from BW, and indeed applaud its starting service.

After all its clear that the "Air Jamaica" brand has done nothing for BW. And indeed many might argue that it is an albatross, as most Trinis certainly said when it was clear that most, other than Manning, opposed this move. CAL is still in the process of establishing itself in a very rough aviation environment and to absorb JM's routes was a risky move, given that carrier's history of huge losses.

It might be best to discontinue the former JM routes and let the govt and people of Jamaica figure it out. That will leave BW to focus on making the rest of its operations profitable, or at least break even, especially as the fuel subsidy seems as if it will be discontinued in another 2 years.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 18):

The KIN and the MBJ markets are very different. MBJ has a focus on Latin visitors to Jca, while the KIN is focused on Jcan travel to and through PTY, a swell as business travel into Jca from Latin America.

It is hardly likely, given poor aviation connections between KIN and MBJ, that some one flying into one part of the island will seek to connect to another. So duplication of service on particular days is a non issue. Indeed the business focus of the KIN route shows more emphasis on mid week, and less on week end service. MBJ is designe dto give flexibility to those who want a full week vacation, or those who want a short stay (th-su, or mo-th).


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16293 times:
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As mentioned in the old thread, SY will operate FJM flights while the aircraft undergoes C-Check..
I was informed, the aircraft may return with a new livery..
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX120


Quoting bobnwa (Reply 14):

When did Delta become a low cost operator?

I guess, it was an error on their part..In other threads, it has been mentioned that BW has lower costs compared to their US counterparts..

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
PTY-Jamaica twice per day Mo, Th and Sa; plus Su to MBJ and Tu to KIN?
That means We and Sa there aren't any fights at all between PTY (CM hub) and Jamaica.
What's CM planning department thinking? If they really want to be able to promote Jamaica the way it should be and be an alternative for Jamaicans travelling to Latin America not wanting to fly via MIA, CM must operate daily flights to the island.

The flights to MBJ are timed to compliment with the travel patterns of Latin American tourists..It enables the tourists to stay in Jamaica for more than 4 days, which is of great benefit to the industry..
I have no doubt once the Latin American markets has shown strong growth , we may see daily services into MBJ.

Quoting jm079 (Reply 16):
Jamaica is alarmed at reports that there is inference by board members in the operation of the company.

No surprises here..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 17):
impressive if you ask me. Hoping for more growth.

Agree..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 19):
It appears to me that if the Jcan govt insists that these routes be flown, profitable or not, then they ought to offer revenues guarantees.

Not really..Its a matter of procedure and principle..BW knew ahead of plans to cut the services and did not inform the Govt of Jamaica..When they tried to contract BW, they were ignored..
I believe The JA Govt, moving forward is trying to find out what are BW plans so alternate arrangements can me made to accommodate customers...
BW already has a fuel subsidy..I am against an subsidies being offered...

Quoting guyanam (Reply 19):
It might be best to discontinue the former JM routes and let the govt and people of Jamaica figure it out. That will leave BW to focus on making the rest of its operations profitable, or at least break even, especially as the fuel subsidy seems as if it will be discontinued in another 2 years.

They close The Jamaica base, you are looking at a further $20-$30 million in losses..

[Edited 2013-05-17 12:03:44]


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User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16264 times:
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JFK-GEO will initially see FJ 3 times weekly using 757-200 ER aircraft.

User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16244 times:

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 21):

Will it be nonstop? If so these services will be welcomed as BW is completely booked out of GEO (and POS) for the next few weeks.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 20):

Personally I do not think that Jca cares one iota for BW and are just making noise for political purposes, and to demand money that BW owes them for landing fees, etc.

The likely scenario is that BW will refuse to increase service, Jca withdraws the AJ brand, and BW then closes its KIN base. T&T govt negotiates a repayment plan for landing fees, etc as part of its agreement to close its KIN base, and lay off the remaining Jcan employees. All political bases are covered.

BW is getting a Fuel subsidy from the Govt of Trinidad. Given that this subsidy is being paid by T&T taxpayers there can be no demand by Jamaica that BW should provide services on routes where they cannot make money. A major part of the subsidy is now being used to service loss making routes between KIN/MBJ and FLL/JFK/YYZ, routes which were also loss makers for JM.

Why should any T&T PM risk her political neck by explaining to T&T taxpayers why they ought to pay for airline access on former JM routes? How does this benefit T&T? Clearly it doesnt as BW has lost $US32MM as a result, money that could have been used to acquire their new planes, and this is in addition to the massive expenditure by the T&T govt to set up tghis KIN base.

Its clear that the "Air Jamaica" brand no longer has any value and so there is no reason why BW should pay to use it, and then lose US$30MM as a result. BW is neither wanted nor needed by Jca (except to the E.Cbn), and so ought to focus on its core E/Cabn network.

T&T should pay the Jca govt what it owes for fees and taxes, scrap the 16% shareholding as this also has little value as BW is almost bankrupt.

.IMHO T&T should have left Golding to stew in his own gravy when he would have been forced to explain to Jcans why he had to shut down JM, leaving them exposed to the will of US and Canadian carriers, but that is water under the bridge.


User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16209 times:

Hey all, today I had the opportunity to tour my new "home" which is under construction and I was able to snap a few pics! Do not get too fussy; pics were taken using my phone.












Cleared for takeoff!
User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16011 times:
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Quoting guyanam (Reply 22):
Will it be nonstop? If so these services will be welcomed as BW is completely booked out of GEO (and POS) for the next few weeks.

These will be non stop and subjected to approval by Guyana. Two additional flights may operate from KIN with YYZ and JFK connections in mind.


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16044 times:

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 24):

Well if US FAA authorization has already been provided then a nonstop JFK GEO is a go as there is already pressure within Guyana to do so. The GY CAA has recommended that such approval be given, due to the fact that BW now controls over 90% of the seats into Guyana and no country wants to be in such a poistion.

I also suspect that BW is also waiting to see what sort of competition will emerge on the JFK GEO to determine what they will do. Knowing them I will expect a fare war and a massive increase in seats, knowing that given a choice, most will chose who they know rather than a new upstart.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16041 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 17):
What I find very ironic about your comment, is the fact that these concerns/sentiments were not expressed by you when 7I was featured as the theme for the Jamaican thread some time ago. Funny enough you were quite elated and appreciative when that carrier was highlighted. From time to time we put the spotlight on the various carriers that have served Jamaica throughout the years. It's not a big deal really.

All I said was "Nice summary of Insel Air, thanks!!!", nothing more. My point is not whether it's nice or not but rather that I would have expected something truly Jamaican as the subject. I said this also when the Cayman Islands were featured in the past. But okay, I'll move on and play along.

A388


User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 16069 times:
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Quoting guyanam (Reply 25):
I also suspect that BW is also waiting to see what sort of competition will emerge on the JFK GEO to determine what they will do. Knowing them I will expect afare war and a massive increase in seats, knowing that given a choice, most will chose who they know rather than a new upstart.

BW is of no competition to the privately owned Fly Jamaica anytime, anywhere because of their poor customer service throughout their network fly jam will offer a superior service similar to the old JM back in the early 1970's. BW's increase of seats in GEO will not help, only to incur further losses to them.


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16013 times:

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 27):

What you say might hold for Jamaica. You might find out that Guyanese are as skeptical of a Jamaican product as Jamaicans are of a Trinidadian.

We will see if FJ will have the fortitude to acheive what no other privately owned Caribbean carrier has, and that is survive. And after the demise of EZ many Guyanese might fear flying them.

Let us talk after Nov because that Sept/Noiv low season has killed off many an airline.


User currently offlinejm079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16011 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 26):



Fair enough, I understand that but highlighting carriers that serves Jamaica whether to KIN or MBJ is unique to us here on this thread as the Jamaican thread is the only one that does that. All these carriers provide airlift to Jamaica and we think they are important. We have highlighted Caribbean Airlines, Insel, Westjet, Air Canada and others including Cayman Airline - Jamaican do travel on these airlines too.

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 27):


I agree with you that the old strategy of reducing fares to drive there competitor off a route is not gonna work and its that strategy that is causing the bleeding. Is CAL manangement saying that the carrier can not compete with other carriers at all. Along with there poor management and governance policy.
I find it appalling that BW can use the excuse that the low cost carriers on there Jamaican operation is what caused the lost. The true is that they failed to leverage there investment. BW took over the Jamaican operation debt free, they had a load factors averaging 60%. BW management in POS did absolutely nothing to leverage there investment. If BW was a private entity there would have been a massive shake up in management and the board of directors would have been fired.

The dire situation that BW finds it self validates our call back then for the Jamaican Pilot Association to purchase Air Jamaica from the GOJ. The pilots who had wanted to purchase Air Jamaica has now started there own airlines - Fly Jamaica Airways yet at that time those pilots were pilloried and dismissed for wanting to own and run there own airline. They it seems now have the final word.


User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15988 times:

Quoting jm079 (Reply 29):
agree with you that the old strategy of reducing fares to drive there competitor off a route is not gonna work and its that strategy that is causing the bleeding. Is CAL manangement saying that the carrier can not compete with other carriers at all. Along with there poor management and governance policy.
I find it appalling that BW can use the excuse that the low cost carriers on there Jamaican operation is what caused the lost. The true is that they failed to leverage there investment. BW took over the Jamaican operation debt free, they had a load factors averaging 60%. BW management in POS did absolutely nothing to leverage there investment. If BW was a private entity there would have been a massive shake up in management and the board of directors would have been fired.

The dire situation that BW finds it self validates our call back then for the Jamaican Pilot Association to purchase Air Jamaica from the GOJ. The pilots who had wanted to purchase Air Jamaica has now started there own airlines - Fly Jamaica Airways yet at that time those pilots were pilloried and dismissed for wanting to own and run there own airline. They it seems now have the final word.
  



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15921 times:
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Quoting LimaMike (Reply 23):

Nice pics man..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 22):
Personally I do not think that Jca cares one iota for BW and are just making noise for political purposes, and to demand money that BW owes them for landing fees, etc.

The likely scenario is that BW will refuse to increase service, Jca withdraws the AJ brand, and BW then closes its KIN base. T&T govt negotiates a repayment plan for landing fees, etc as part of its agreement to close its KIN base, and lay off the remaining Jcan employees. All political bases are covered.

According to the T&T media, they have chosen a chairman who has career experience in Jamaica..

IMO..Too little too late..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 25):

I also suspect that BW is also waiting to see what sort of competition will emerge on the JFK GEO to determine what they will do. Knowing them I will expect a fare war and a massive increase in seats, knowing that given a choice, most will chose who they know rather than a new upstart.
Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 27):
BW is of no competition to the privately owned Fly Jamaica anytime, anywhere because of their poor customer service throughout their network fly jam will offer a superior service similar to the old JM back in the early 1970's. BW's increase of seats in GEO will not help, only to incur further losses to them.

Am not familiar with the GEO market, but was told Cpt Reese has family ties to a major Travel Agent that sells thousands of seats to GEO per year..This was a deciding factor to start FJM, due to the issue of high prices being charged to GEO..
On the issue of price wars, The DOT is closely monitoring BW on any action of predatory pricing towards FJM..

Quoting jm079 (Reply 29):
The dire situation that BW finds it self validates our call back then for the Jamaican Pilot Association to purchase Air Jamaica from the GOJ. The pilots who had wanted to purchase Air Jamaica has now started there own airlines - Fly Jamaica Airways yet at that time those pilots were pilloried and dismissed for wanting to own and run there own airline. They it seems now have the final word.

Agree wholeheartedly..



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 15912 times:

Quoting jm079 (Reply 29):
Fair enough, I understand that but highlighting carriers that serves Jamaica whether to KIN or MBJ is unique to us here on this thread as the Jamaican thread is the only one that does that. All these carriers provide airlift to Jamaica and we think they are important. We have highlighted Caribbean Airlines, Insel, Westjet, Air Canada and others including Cayman Airline - Jamaican do travel on these airlines too.

Alrighty then my friend  

A388


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15883 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 20):
I was informed, the aircraft may return with a new livery..

Hope so. Looking forward to see it whenever it is presented.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 25):
I also suspect that BW is also waiting to see what sort of competition will emerge on the JFK GEO to determine what they will do. Knowing them I will expect a fare war and a massive increase in seats, knowing that given a choice, most will chose who they know rather than a new upstart.
Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 27):
BW is of no competition to the privately owned Fly Jamaica anytime, anywhere because of their poor customer service throughout their network fly jam will offer a superior service similar to the old JM back in the early 1970's. BW's increase of seats in GEO will not help, only to incur further losses to them.
Quoting jm079 (Reply 29):
I agree with you that the old strategy of reducing fares to drive there competitor off a route is not gonna work and its that strategy that is causing the bleeding.

It will be very interesting to see how this will all play out. But employing such tactic will further exasperate the heavy bleeding of cash no doubt.

Quoting jm079 (Reply 29):
I find it appalling that BW can use the excuse that the low cost carriers on there Jamaican operation is what caused the lost.

It was more than expected that they would come forth with such claims. Seem the KIN turf was underestimated. It was said a " gazzilion " times....KIN was not going to be a walk in the park. Some downplayed that reality and, well we see what is happening now.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15762 times:
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According to a media release, Fly Jamaica has been granted it's license by the Canadian authorities and is expected to start services in June 2013..

A new airline, Fly Jamaica, has been granted permission from the Canadian Transportation Agency to begin advertising and selling tickets in anticipation of receiving a scheduled international licence from Transport Canada to operate a service between Jamaica and Toronto Pearson CYYZ. This approval is expected to be given in time for a June 2013 launch.

http://www.romanceofflight.com/blog/...to-add-toronto-beginning-june-2013

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More rave reviews about Fly Jamaica's service..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KeGvAXgnVA

http://funny-videos-chart.com/why-pa...gers-love-flying-with-fly-jamaica/

http://funny-videos-chart.com/ity-an...cat-on-the-fly-jamaica-experience/

Excellent PR concept..

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On the Guyana front, it is being reported they have yet to submit key documents..

Minister of Works Robeson Benn says that Fly Jamaica has not yet been ‘cleared for take-off’ as the airline with Guyanese ‘lineage’ is still to submit key documents to the Guyana Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA).

Efforts to reach captain Ronald Reece, one of the airline’s principals, were futile. This newspaper was told that Reece was in Jamaica from where the airline operates.

Speaking to this newspaper last weekend, Benn said that unlike Jamaica, Guyana would seek to reimburse passengers for their tickets in the event of an airline going belly up and it is for this reason that Government must ensure that there is full compliance with all of the regulatory and financial requirements.

An official of Wings Aviation, whose CEO Reece is one of the partners in Fly Jamaica, said that she has heard no word from the GCAA. According to the official the company would have submitted all that is required by the GCAA.

The need for a new air carrier became more acute with the May 5th, 2013 pull-out of Delta Airlines from Guyana after five years of flying non-stop the Georgetown-New York route.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2013/new...ica-still-to-submit-key-documents/

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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15731 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 34):
According to a media release, Fly Jamaica has been granted it's license by the Canadian authorities and is expected to start services in June 2013..

Pleased to hear that Fly Jamaica is expected to inaugurate KIN-YYZ by June all things being well. As expected, they have their eyes set on FLL as well, but the B752 is too much metal for that route I think, particularly outside of peak travel periods. Back in the day I recall JM used the A310's on KIN-FLL for the late evening RON ( JM 087 ). Also further back in the day, the A300's were regular on KIN-MIA ( JM 021, 025 etc. ) But at that time during the ' Butch ' era , JM was the sole carrier on KIN-FLL. It would be in Fly Jamaica's best interest to use a more suitable aircraft type for South Florida when they do start it in my opinion.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 34):
More rave reviews about Fly Jamaica's service..

Members of the diaspora seem to be excited about Fly Jamaica's entry thus far from what is seen in those video clips. Ity and Fancy Cat....those two comedians are something else...  .....Good PR indeed...........

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 34):
On the Guyana front, it is being reported they have yet to submit key documents..

Hopefully they will be able to iron out all of that as soon as possible. Ideal time to start GEO-JFK nonstop with DL's departure from the route.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15689 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 31):

The issue with FJ is whether they are sufficient capitalized to withstand the drought of late Aug/mid Nov when little revenue comes in due to the autumn soft period. Also the period between Xmas/New Years and Easter, which is another soft period in the VFR market. The Guyanese carriers usually collapsed during these periods. Unlike BW, and LI, there is no fairy god mother to help them through these periods.


I wish them luck as something has to break the notion that CARICOM carriers can only survive if they are state owned and dependent on tax payer funded subsidies.

If they get JFK GEO rights they should do well. With DL off the route and PY not likely to start, due to delays in getting suitable planes (they still say Jul 2013 but I dont see how that is possible), FJ can gain share as no one likes the notion of BW being virtually the only airline into GEO.

I very much doubt that the FAA will care what BW does to FJ. They did it to EZjet and succeeded, so why not to FJ, which is a foreign carrier. Of course the govt of Jamaica actually is a part owner of BW, so will be constrained in how they react. The FAA intervene if they think that US entities or citizens will be hurt. A fare war between carriers will benenfit passengers.

Of course Guyana is going to want to see FJ actually fund that bond that small carriers have to lodge in the event of collapse. Apparently this is a majpr issue. Reece is most likely no friend of the existing govt so no favors will be granted. And the excuse will be to protect Guyanese, given the events of the past decade when several carriers collapsed.


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15671 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 35):

Actually, FLL is a big market that FJM can easily steal from B6 and BW.. When BW took over JM routes, they were a total of 4 flights plying FLL-KIN... B6 took over the reigns from BW due to their inability to maintain passenger loyalty..
I have no doubts FJM could maintain a 2 daily B752 service connecting KIN to FLL..
The flights could operate with an early departure from KIN and a late evening departure from KIN, returning by 9pm..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 35):

Am pretty sure B6 is worried about FJM's expansion into JFK..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 35):

While I understand the concern of the GOG about FJM's financial position..
I find it strange, they have just given BW carrier status, yet they are courting carriers as Suriname Airways and Jetblue to ply the JFK-GEO route..

http://newssourcegy.com/news/air-china-approached-to-fly-guyana-route/

http://www.guyanachronicleonline.com...ject-to-be-restored&catid=4:top-st

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Dennis Lalor, board member of BW has stated Air Jamaica is not to blamed for BW's financial situation..

“CAL did not have to do any marketing for the Air Jamaica brand. I had hoped that this investment in the airline would have done what the Federation, Caricom and the West Indies Cricket team had failed to do, which was to create a unified Caribbean airline,” he said. Questioned on what he felt caused the losses incurred by Jamaica, Lalor simply responded that CAL had “inexperience in dealing with tourism, they wanted to stamp their Trinidad ownership on the operations and they were insensitive to the nuances of marketing”.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/...osses-207961801.html?m=y&smobile=y

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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 15651 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 37):

Maybe PY and B6 are established carriers and FJ has yet to prove that it can survive a slow season without runnimng into financial difficulties. having just been bloodied by the collapse of Redjet and EZ why wouldnt Guyana be concerned about FJ.

Indeed they claim that FJ has yet to furnish some documentation that they are looking for. FJ seems to ahve some operational issues with the frequent delays in furnishing documentation required by licensing authorities, and that ought to convern its supporters. They must have burnt though a lot of cash when their plane was grounded.

Air China is a laugh. Why would they run a route way out of their network with all the repercussions for crewing etc?

BW is here to stay and they have by far the best route network into GEO. BW is already the defacto national airline for GEO so why not make it official so that Guyana can gain route rights, such as the nonstip YYZ GEO route? No other carrier has the basic abilityu to function as a Guyana''s national carrier, despite what people might think of them.

Clearly the KIN base contributed to BWs financial situation. Not the only problem, but a significant one, for all the reasons that have been frequently disclosed on this site. Indeed from the very beginning folks here predicted that it would fail, so why the shock?

Mr Lalor could have let his concerns be known long before, as he is a representative of Jca and not T&T, so if T&T didnt like what he had to say there is nothing that they could have done to him. As we see he is the only one left. Mr Lalor is just covering his posterior but he is as much to blame as were the other members of the former board. As a board member he had the obligation to speak out if there were issues with how BW was being managed.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15645 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 37):
I have no doubts FJM could maintain a 2 daily B752 service connecting KIN to FLL..

I wonder if the same B757 could do a KIN-FLL-KIN-JFK-KIN-FLL-KIN rotation departing KIN at 0600h



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days ago) and read 15555 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 36):
If they get JFK GEO rights they should do well. With DL off the route and PY not likely to start, due to delays in getting suitable planes (they still say Jul 2013 but I dont see how that is possible), FJ can gain share as no one likes the notion of BW being virtually the only airline into GEO.

I agree.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 37):
I find it strange, they have just given BW carrier status, yet they are courting carriers as Suriname Airways and Jetblue to ply the JFK-GEO route..

Part of the objective here I think is to have options for the traveling public on the JFK-GEO route, as opposed to just one carrier which will impact air fares.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 39):
I wonder if the same B757 could do a KIN-FLL-KIN-JFK-KIN-FLL-KIN rotation departing KIN at 0600h

That kind of rotation would allow them to efficiently utilize their aircraft. Perhaps they would push out a bit earlier. The current KIN-JFK departure leaves at 5:30 am.



greenheart
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15511 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 40):
That kind of rotation would allow them to efficiently utilize their aircraft. Perhaps they would push out a bit earlier. The current KIN-JFK departure leaves at 5:30 am.

With a 0530 KIN departure to FLL, the same aircraft may be used for morning and evening KIN-FLL-KIN and mid-morning KIN-JFK-KIN. Turnarounds @ FLL and JFK may be very tight but still doable.
Would KIN O/D traffic tolerate a FLL-KIN arriving KIN 0030h?
Another B757 could fly JFK-KIN morning, KIN-YYZ-KIN mid-morning and KIN-JFK evenings.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 42, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15459 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 41):
With a 0530 KIN departure to FLL, the same aircraft may be used for morning and evening KIN-FLL-KIN and mid-morning KIN-JFK-KIN. Turnarounds @ FLL and JFK may be very tight but still doable.
Would KIN O/D traffic tolerate a FLL-KIN arriving KIN 0030h?
Another B757 could fly JFK-KIN morning, KIN-YYZ-KIN mid-morning and KIN-JFK evenings.

Now you are beginning to think like a route planner! Its asset allocation, asset allocation, asset allocation!

They only problems with tight turns on an airline with only a few aircraft is that you leave little wiggle room for when (not) if things go wrong (weather, mech etc). I have always planned with a 2 hour make up window at some point in the day that at least it doesn't roll over into the next day.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15421 times:
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Quoting guyanam (Reply 36):
If they get JFK GEO rights they should do well. With DL off the route and PY not likely to start, due to delays in getting suitable planes (they still say Jul 2013 but I dont see how that is possible), FJ can gain share as no one likes the notion of BW being virtually the only airline into GEO.

I read where PY was trying to acquire another Boeing narrow body..It could be a B-classic or B-NG..IMO..I don't think PY should consider the GEO-JFK market at this time..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 36):
I very much doubt that the FAA will care what BW does to FJ. They did it to EZjet and succeeded, so why not to FJ, which is a foreign carrier. Of course the govt of Jamaica actually is a part owner of BW, so will be constrained in how they react. The FAA intervene if they think that US entities or citizens will be hurt. A fare war between carriers will benenfit passengers.

Oh yes, they do have their eyes on BW's habit of using predatory pricing to kill competition..

On October 25, 2012, Mr. John Gilmore filed an answer in support of Fly Jamaica’s request. In addition to expressing his support for Fly Jamaica’s application, Mr. Gilmore asserts that Caribbean Airlines Ltd. , a foreign air carrier serving the Jamaica-U.S. market, is subsidized by the Government of Trinidad and Tobago, and suggests that we monitor the activities of CAL to assure that it does not engage in predatory pricing in competing with Fly Jamaica.

ostdocket2012/order20121138.html

Quoting guyanam (Reply 38):
Mr Lalor could have let his concerns be known long before, as he is a representative of Jca and not T&T, so if T&T didnt like what he had to say there is nothing that they could have done to him. As we see he is the only one left. Mr Lalor is just covering his posterior but he is as much to blame as were the other members of the former board. As a board member he had the obligation to speak out if there were issues with how BW was being managed.

He did..Sometime last year, he mentioned the diaspora was shunning BW for other carriers..This should have been a wake up call for the old board..

http://rjrnewsonline.com/business/ja...-snubbing-air-jamaica-dennis-lalor

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 39):
I wonder if the same B757 could do a KIN-FLL-KIN-JFK-KIN-FLL-KIN rotation departing KIN at 0600h
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 40):
That kind of rotation would allow them to efficiently utilize their aircraft. Perhaps they would push out a bit earlier. The current KIN-JFK departure leaves at 5:30 am.

Yes..The block times between KIN-FLL-KIN has a gate to gate time of 4:30 hrs..For FLL, they would need a 3rd aircraft to optimize the utilization..

This is what I for-see in the future for FJM..KIN will be a hub that will connect YYZ,JFK and FLL to KIN and GEO..



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User currently offlinejm079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15373 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 43):
He did..Sometime last year, he mentioned the diaspora was shunning BW for other carriers..This should have been a wake up call for the old board..

The reason the diaspora stayed away lies in what Lalor had to say here: "Questioned on what he felt caused the losses incurred by Jamaica, Lalor simply responded that CAL had “inexperience in dealing with tourism, they wanted to stamp their Trinidad ownership on the operations and they were insensitive to the nuances of marketing”.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/...ame-for-CALs-losses-207961801.html


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15359 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 41):
Would KIN O/D traffic tolerate a FLL-KIN arriving KIN 0030h?

I can recall back in the day JM's last MIA-KIN flight for the evening was usually scheduled to get in between 10:00 pm and 11:30 pm every night depending on the time of the year. Not sure if the majority of them would like a 12:30 am arrival from FLL. Then again, during the peak seasons when B6 add the additional JFK-KIN flights, they are usually scheduled to arrive around those times and loads are quite good none the less.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 43):
He did..Sometime last year, he mentioned the diaspora was shunning BW for other carriers..This should have been a wake up call for the old board..
Quoting jm079 (Reply 44):
The reason the diaspora stayed away lies in what Lalor had to say here: "Questioned on what he felt caused the losses incurred by Jamaica, Lalor simply responded that CAL had “inexperience in dealing with tourism, they wanted to stamp their Trinidad ownership on the operations and they were insensitive to the nuances of marketing”.

More than one posters in this thread have been saying same since last year as well, and it has now come to light and seemingly haunting them. So much for those who thought it was just a few in the diaspora that were just being verbose. Things are shaping out exactly as many here had predicted.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15341 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 43):
Yes..The block times between KIN-FLL-KIN has a gate to gate time of 4:30 hrs..For FLL, they would need a 3rd aircraft to optimize the utilization..

Well in this case, plane one does KIN-FLL-KIN-JFK-KIN departing KIN 0600h, plane 2 does KIN-JFK-KIN-FLL-KIN also departing KIN 0600h.



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User currently offlineilanbwoy From Jamaica, joined Feb 2009, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15325 times:

Whats up everybody, its been awhile. I have been reading, just not posting. Anyways..here is my take. Its not just b6 watching fj. You can bet a few $$$ that dl watching them also. The sudden out of the blue return to kin from atlanta came out of nowhere. They used 737 / md88 / and rjs and that was only 5 days a week if i recall. Now they are coming back 7 days a week with the md. Please. Thats just a response to the pending entry of fj into atlanta.

I like what i am seeing with the possibility of fj in terms of possible growth. Its a pity i never caught that $500 mil powerball last week...cuz if i did, then i would be talking to them right now and planning growth. The 757 is too much plane for atl and fll, but its perfect for jfk yyz and geo. I could see a rotation of kin-jfk-kin-yyz-geo-yyz-kin over a 2 day span with the aircraft getting back to kin about 5pm based on a 6am start time the day before. When it returns from the rotation, then it sits overnight so that the necessary checks can get done. They could also do kin-yyz-kin-jfk-geo-jfk-kin. In either scenario it is red eyes to geo, but i think thats what was offered by delta from jfk. Guyanam would have to comment on that as i am too lazy to look it up.

Anyways, as far as the fll/atl/mco areas, i think it would be perfect if they could get like a 737-700 (expensive) or a 319 for those routes. Anything smaller would not work because of the amount of bags that some caribbean folks tend to travel with. They could run a mini bus operation to florida and i think survive even in the low season.

The keys to all this is money and since i didnt win the powerball, i cant infuse what i would like to at this time. Good luck to fj as the future is bright. they just have to take time and grow smartly and efficiently.


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15299 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 43):

Mr Gilmore. a citizen of Jamaica, filed a claim against BW. That doesnt mean that the US giovt cares. Especially when BW has been given route rights as a de facto Jamaican airline.

I see that Mr Lalor made reference to the delays that occurred in summer 2011 when BW took over. Aside from that he states that Jcans dont like BW because they dont see it as Jcan and that this is a pity as it has reduced load factors.

I do not see any direct criticism of BW and its handling of their KIN base, aside from the defalys, which I recall were due to the late arrival of 737 planes. I suspect that BW now has a much better ontime record on its KIN/MBJ to USA/Cda than did JM in its last days. Yes their ground service stinks, but then Trinis and Guyanese know all about that too. Its because they have outsourced these services and do not demand proper treatment of their passengers by the contractors. Although the contractors probably can tell tales about BW as well no doubt.

Like I said every one is now trying to cover their tail. The former management by implying that its only the AJ routes to blame, and not also their incompetence. And Lalor by claiming that AJ routes arent the problem.

My question is what did he say AT THE TIME about how BW was marketing to Jcans and attempting to develop loyalty?


User currently offlinejm079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 15239 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 45):

CAL approach to its Jamaican operation lies in the fact the present government in POS is not Pan Caribbean as was the previous government and as the Jamaican board member mentioned the strategy was to stamp their Trinidad ownership on the operations and they were insensitive to the nuances of marketing.

Quoting ilanbwoy (Reply 47):

I think FJA stands a good chance of being around for quite awhile as judging from there approach I see that they are out there in the community selling there brand to the Jamaican community. I also take the view that local airlines in the Caribbean that are owned by local business people seems to enjoy a better success rate. Out side investors who attempt to finance private run airline don't survive. There are several reasons for that.

The other opportunity that I see opening up is the impending merge of AA and US Airways. Both these carriers serve Jamaica and I am sure that when this merge is completed some route rationalisation will nationally accur. Will MBJ lose PHL, CLT or even BOS or will MIA be the main gateway to Jamaica in AA flight route.


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15142 times:

Quoting ilanbwoy (Reply 47):
You can bet a few $$$ that dl watching them also. The sudden out of the blue return to kin from atlanta came out of nowhere. They used 737 / md88 / and rjs and that was only 5 days a week if i recall. Now they are coming back 7 days a week with the md. Please. Thats just a response to the pending entry of fj into atlanta.

DL's announcement of a daily MD88 ATL-KIN restart caught me off guard as well. Let's see how long they will remain on this sector this time around. Good to see them back in KIN none the less.

Quoting jm079 (Reply 49):
CAL approach to its Jamaican operation lies in the fact the present government in POS is not Pan Caribbean as was the previous government and as the Jamaican board member mentioned the strategy was to stamp their Trinidad ownership on the operations and they were insensitive to the nuances of marketing.

Guess some will just have to learn the hard way.

Quoting jm079 (Reply 49):
The other opportunity that I see opening up is the impending merge of AA and US Airways. Both these carriers serve Jamaica and I am sure that when this merge is completed some route rationalisation will nationally accur. Will MBJ lose PHL, CLT or even BOS or will MIA be the main gateway to Jamaica in AA flight route.

You raised a very valid point. Wasn't looking at it from that angle, but yes, AA has been focusing more on MIA where their operations to the Caribbean is concerned as opposed to the North Eastern USA. It will be quite interesting to see what will happen after full merger with US and what sort of consolidation will result, and its impact on certain flights into MBJ from PHL, CLT and BOS.



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User currently offlinejm079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15085 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 50):

DL's announcement of a daily MD88 ATL-KIN restart caught me off guard as well. Let's see how long they will remain on this sector this time around. Good to see them back in KIN none the less.

There VP for Latin American, Nicolas Ferri, told the Jamaican Observer .."It's (Kingston to Atlanta) a really big addition for us, it's one of those markets that we need to be in......."It's important and we want to be a part of it."

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...anta-flight_14327832#ixzz2UR2NCAE7

I think they stand to benefit from the merge between AA and US. In addition Air Tran has shift to offer twice daily out of BWI and MCO to MBJ. MBJ only see once daily out of ATL on WN now.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 15061 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 13):
DL383 ATL1000 – 1308KIN M88 D
DL384 KIN1400 – 1717ATL M88 D

With this timing.....you get to ATL just as the arrival halls (remember they separate out connecting from ATL traffic....psssst MIA if you are listening thats a good idea!) are empty. Which means you can be out of customs in either hall in about 15-20 min.

Try doing that in MIA that time of day!

I have always said if connections are tight and are important use DFW or ATL.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14943 times:

Quoting jm079 (Reply 49):

Which local Caribbean airline owned by local businessmen succeeded? We had the Butch Stewart fiasco and Air Caribbean of Trinidad. GA 2000 of Guyana was run by one of the most successful businessmen there, but they failed. The privatized BWIA was run by Trinis, even if there were some US shareholders. Several small Jcan carriers hit the dust.

The only existing Cbn carriers are govt supported and that's because they receive massive financial support.

The jury is still out on FJ. Talk to us next Feb after they have had to weather a few low seasons. They are an under capitalized carrier with no economies of scale. Indeed they may be forced to cut out their hot meals as they seek to cut costs. And this especially applies if/when they start their YYZ KIN route, as even if BW departs, it is still a highly competitive route, and KIN doesn't enjoy much leisure traffic to offset slow VFR periods.


Because Jca is such a big year round market I don't think that AA/US will have any impact. Indeed AA seems to have been scaling back its MBJ MIA running smaller planes in recent years. CLT and PHL are both good hubs to MBJ, maybe PHL will scale back in soft periods.

I think that smaller markets might lose US service, as every one is routed thru MIA. Also there will be more scale backs at PHL to islands with direct AA service from JFK.


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14846 times:
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Quoting ilanbwoy (Reply 47):
I like what i am seeing with the possibility of fj in terms of possible growth.

Agree...I realize a lot of Jamaicans have opened their hearts to the new service..

Quoting ilanbwoy (Reply 47):
They could also do kin-yyz-kin-jfk-geo-jfk-kin. In either scenario it is red eyes to geo,

That was the original cycle for the aircraft..

Quoting ilanbwoy (Reply 47):
i think it would be perfect if they could get like a 737-700 (expensive) or a 319 for those routes. Anything smaller would not work because of the amount of bags that some caribbean folks tend to travel with.

I believe, the most important factor for FJM, is cost..The B752 was chosen due to it's lower lease cost and range..

This is the latest airframe lease cost for Spring 2013..It is cheaper to lease a B752, than an A319 or a B737NG..

A319 – $9.5 - 35.0M, $110-270,000
A320 – $4.0 - 40.5M, $65-320,000
A321 – $16.0 - 48.0M, $165-365,000
A330-200 – $34.0 - 87.0M, $350-850,000
A340-300 – $7.0 -43.0M, $150-400,000
B737-300 – $1.7 – 5.5M, $40-80,000
B737-700 - $12.0 - 34.5M, $135-300,000
B737-800 - $15.0 - 46.0M, $190-360,000
B737-900ER - $30.0 - 48.5M, $260-390,000
B747-400 – $11.5 – 42.0M, $200-480,000
B757-200 – $5.5 – 20.0M, $100-220,000
B767-300ER – $9.5 – 61.5M, $180-470,000
B777-200ER – $40.0 – 118.0M, $450-950,000
B777-300ER – $88.0 – 162.0M, $850-1,450,000
MD-11 - $8.0 – 14.0M , $150-220,000
MD-82 - $0.5 - 1.5M, $25-45,000
CRJ200 – $1.8 - 5.9M, $35-70,000
CRJ700 – $9.6 – 22.5M, $90-210,000
CRJ900 - $12.0 – 25.0M, $120-230,000
Q400 – $9.5 – 21.0M, $120-200,000
ERJ145 – $3.0 – 8.0M, $45-85,000
EMB170 – $14.0 – 27.0M, $150-240,000
EMB190 – $20.0 – 32.0M, $180-280,000
ATR-72 – $6.4 – 19.3M, $80-190,000

Quoting guyanam (Reply 48):
My question is what did he say AT THE TIME about how BW was marketing to Jcans and attempting to develop loyalty?

As witnessed with the discontinuing of the JM announcements across the board, they had their own agenda..

Quoting jm079 (Reply 49):
I think FJA stands a good chance of being around for quite awhile as judging from there approach I see that they are out there in the community selling there brand to the Jamaican community.

I agree..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 50):

DL's announcement of a daily MD88 ATL-KIN restart caught me off guard as well. Let's see how long they will remain on this sector this time around. Good to see them back in KIN none the less.

I can see a downgrade to a CRJ during the Sept-Nov period, but with this new restart, its a move to replace the cancelled BW service to JFK and to cover the rest of the Northeastern markets..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 50):

You raised a very valid point. Wasn't looking at it from that angle, but yes, AA has been focusing more on MIA where their operations to the Caribbean is concerned as opposed to the North Eastern USA. It will be quite interesting to see what will happen after full merger with US and what sort of consolidation will result, and its impact on certain flights into MBJ from PHL, CLT and BOS.

I can see them strengthening their hubs with more flights into MBJ..

Quoting jm079 (Reply 51):
There VP for Latin American, Nicolas Ferri, told the Jamaican Observer .."It's (Kingston to Atlanta) a really big addition for us, it's one of those markets that we need to be in......."It's important and we want to be a part of it."

Now, we only need to see UA in KIN..

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 52):
Try doing that in MIA that time of day!

I have always said if connections are tight and are important use DFW or ATL.

Agree..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 53):
CLT and PHL are both good hubs to MBJ, maybe PHL will scale back in soft periods.

They have always scaled back CLT and PHL during slow periods..PHL, in the past was operated with an E190..
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With DL's expansion out west, I believe its time for the JTB to engage DL on the restart of a LAX-MBJ service..



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14835 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 54):
Now, we only need to see UA in KIN..

EWR-KIN may be a more attractive market for UA to look than IAH-KIN.
Also KIN arrival and departure times would play a big part on any UA success in KIN, specially if UA is going after a piece of the NYC-KIN traffic.

Quote:
With DL's expansion out west, I believe its time for the JTB to engage DL on the restart of a LAX-MBJ service..

DL LAX-MBJ is a route which may be year-around material, at least once per week.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14823 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 55):
EWR-KIN may be a more attractive market for UA to look than IAH-KIN.
Also KIN arrival and departure times would play a big part on any UA success in KIN, specially if UA is going after a piece of the NYC-KIN traffic.

They could use a similar timetable as B6 from JFK, where the aircraft leaves EWR before 8am, with an early afternoon arrival for the return time..

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 55):

DL LAX-MBJ is a route which may be year-around material, at least once per week.

I could see a 4 weekly service, that would connect MBJ with other key markets out west..



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14821 times:

Just out of curiosity, was the MBJ-LAX route the longest nonstop route of the A321? Seems like a pretty long distance for the A321...?

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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14807 times:
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DOT Stats, OCT 2012..

BW

FLL-KIN
6776-5027 74%

KIN-FLL
11088-4649 42%

FLL-MBJ
8932-4103 46%

MBJ-FLL
4620-3274 71%

JFK-KIN
8470-6713 79%

KIN-JFK
8470-6158 73%

JFK-MBJ
4158-3957 95%

JFK-MBJ
4158-3468 83%

MCO-KIN
1232-749 61%

KIN-MCO
1386-714 52%

AA

DFW-MBJ
2074-1816 88%

MBJ-DFW
2074-1896 91%

MIA-KIN
14330-10754 75%

KIN-MIA
14330-10205 71%

MIA-MBJ
9770-8825 90%

MBJ-MIA
9770-8565 88%

B6

FLL-KIN
6050-4392 73%

KIN-FLL
6050-4674 77%

JFK-KIN
4050-3273 81%

KIN-JFK
4050-3472 86%

JFK-MBJ
4350-3881 89%

MBJ-JFK
4200-3705 88%

MCO-MBJ
4300-2762 64%

MBJ-MCO
4300-3163 74%

DL

ATL-MBJ
10093-9237 92%

MBJ-ATL
10092-9232 91%

F9

ORD-MBJ
672-624 93%

MBJ-ORD
504-342 68%

FL

ATL-MBJ
4110-3609 88%

MBJ-ATL
3973-3350 84%

BWI-MBJ
6028-5084 84%

MBJ-BWI
6028-4638 77%

MCO-MBJ
2877-1421 49%

MBJ-MCO
2877-1806 63%

US
CLT-MBJ
11341-9723 86%

MBJ-CLT
11341-9426 83%

PHL-MBJ
3853-3310 86%

MBJ-PHL
3729-3259 87%


UA

EWR-MBJ
622-551 89%

MBJ-EWR
616-516 84%

IAH-MBJ
616-584 95%

MBJ-IAH
622-535 86%

NK

FLL-MBJ
2742-1687 62%

MBJ-FLL
2670-1875 70%

FLL-KIN
290-95 32%

KIN-FLL
290-156 54%



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14793 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 56):
They could use a similar timetable as B6 from JFK, where the aircraft leaves EWR before 8am, with an early afternoon arrival for the return time..

UA 0800h EWR departure to KIN might mean a 1700h EWR arrival; tough time to arrive at EWR F.I.S. If its for EWR F.I.S. and whichever connecting traffic UA could get, 1030h EWR departure, 1930h arrival back to EWR may be better.
Crazy idea would be IAH-KIN evenings, KIN-EWR red-eyes w/ EWR-KIN red-eyes, KIN-IAH early mornings.

Quote:
I could see a 4 weekly service, that would connect MBJ with other key markets out west..

J.T.B. may better ask 1st for once/twice per weekend red-eyes LAX-MBJ and let the market grow from there.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14792 times:
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Dot Stats, Nov 2012

BW

FLL-KIN
8316-6052 73%

KIN-FLL
12936-5822 45%

JFK-KIN
9086-7327 81%

KIN-JFK
9086-7211 79%

JFK-MBJ
4466-3777 85%

MBJ-JFK
4466-3401 76%

MCO-KIN
1386-828 60%

KIN-MCO
1386-857 62%

AA

DFW-MBJ
3170-2597 82%

MBJ-DFW
3170-2406 76%

MIA-KIN
14240-11955 84%

KIN-MIA
14240-11862 83%

MIA-MBJ
12010-10251 86

MBJ-MIA
12020-9387 78%

B6

BOS-MBJ
750-610 81%

MBJ-BOS
750-439 59%

FLL-KIN
5950-4569 77%

KIN-FLL
6100-4835 79%

JFK-KIN
4350-3414 78%

KIN-JFK
4200-3317 79%

JFK-MBJ
8850-7310 83%

MBJ-JFK
8850-6949 78%

MCO-MBJ
3000-2592 86%

MBJ-MCO
2900-2325 80%

US

CLT-MBJ
14210-11313 80%

MBJ-CLT
14210-11220 79%

PHL-MBJ
7534-5821 77%

MBJ-PHL
7395-5859 79%

DL

ATL-MBJ
10848-9686 89%

MBJ-ATL
10848-9339 86%

DTW-MBJ
470-420 89%

MBJ-DTW
470-402 86%

F9

ORD-MBJ
672-603 90%

MBJ-ORD
672-639 95%

FL

ATL-MBJ
3973-3072 77%

MBJ-ATL
4110-3252 79%

BWI-MBJ
6439-4901 76%

MBJ-BWI
6439-4760 74%

MCO-MBJ
2603-1709 66%

MBJ-MCO
2466-1322 54%

UA

EWR-MBJ
2406-2212 92%

MBJ-EWR
2406-1883 78%

IAH-MBJ
614-559 91%

MBJ-IAH
614-538 88%

NK

FLL-MBJ
2933-2069 71%

MBJ-FLL
2933-2214 76%

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 59):
UA 0800h EWR departure to KIN might mean a 1700h EWR arrival; tough time to arrive at EWR F.I.S. If its for EWR F.I.S. and whichever connecting traffic UA could get, 1030h EWR departure, 1930h arrival back to EWR may be better.
Crazy idea would be IAH-KIN evenings, KIN-EWR red-eyes w/ EWR-KIN red-eyes, KIN-IAH early mornings.

You are right about EWR..The airport is prone with delays..Perhaps a late evening arrival pattern would work..

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 59):
J.T.B. may better ask 1st for once/twice per weekend red-eyes LAX-MBJ and let the market grow from there.

Believe me, the market exists..In my previous post, I forgot to mention the potential to grownthe Asian market via LAX..

AA is now carrying the majority of LAX-MBJ traffic through its DFW hub..



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14742 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 54):
It is cheaper to lease a B752, than an A319 or a B737NG..

for the 752: parts cost more, overhaul costs more, crewing costs more, higher land fees. THere is much more to running a aircraft than lease costs.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 55):
DL LAX-MBJ is a route which may be year-around material, at least once per week.

maybe, but it needs to be more than tourism related. its needs to have VFR to keep the yields up. its a tough market. Jamaica is more of an east coast tourism market vs say BZE (which just got LAX service) which is more west coast. Would someone goign to MBJ be willing to pay over $1000USD for a RT?



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14702 times:

Quoting jm079 (Reply 51):
There VP for Latin American, Nicolas Ferri, told the Jamaican Observer .."It's (Kingston to Atlanta) a really big addition for us, it's one of those markets that we need to be in......."It's important and we want to be a part of it."
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 54):
I can see a downgrade to a CRJ during the Sept-Nov period, but with this new restart, its a move to replace the cancelled BW service to JFK and to cover the rest of the Northeastern markets..

As per the article, it appears as if they will use the larger B752 during the peak periods. I really hope they stick around this time in KIN if it is feasible for them to do so. Also I notice their website shows the B738 as the equipment type come December as opposed to the MD88.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 52):
With this timing.....you get to ATL just as the arrival halls (remember they separate out connecting from ATL traffic....psssst MIA if you are listening thats a good idea!) are empty. Which means you can be out of customs in either hall in about 15-20 min.

Try doing that in MIA that time of day!

I have always said if connections are tight and are important use DFW or ATL.

I would much prefer to connect in ATL any day over MIA. Happy that a more convenient alternate option is now opening up.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 54):
I realize a lot of Jamaicans have opened their hearts to the new service..

It would seem that way indeed........................................


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Quoting hummingbird (Reply 54):
Now, we only need to see UA in KIN..
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 55):
EWR-KIN may be a more attractive market for UA to look than IAH-KIN.

I am more inclined to think UA would give EWR-KIN another shot over IAH-KIN for obvious reasons.

Quoting A388 (Reply 57):
Just out of curiosity, was the MBJ-LAX route the longest nonstop route of the A321? Seems like a pretty long distance for the A321...?

Back in the ' Butch ' era, I can't remember JM operating LAX-MBJ with the A321. If they did, it wasn't frequent. During my time working in the industry back then, that route was always an A320 metal........at least on the days I happened to be on duty when those flights were scheduled.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 60):
AA is now carrying the majority of LAX-MBJ traffic through its DFW hub..

Saw that DFW flight in MBJ last November when I was on my way to Orlando. It was jam packed on the MBJ-DFW outbound.



greenheart
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14648 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 62):
As per the article, it appears as if they will use the larger B752 during the peak periods. I really hope they stick around this time in KIN if it is feasible for them to do so. Also I notice their website shows the B738 as the equipment type come December as opposed to the MD88.

There is an internal DL commitment to move CentralAm and Caribbean flights over to 73s and 75s as they get new aircraft it and leave the MDs to domestic routes.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 62):
It was jam packed on the MBJ-DFW outbound.

does not equal profits but DFW is a great connecting point.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14640 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 63):
does not equal profits but DFW is a great connecting point.

It does equal profits if the ticket prices are sufficiently high combined with the needed load factor to make a profit and I can't imagine AA selling cheap tickets to the Caribbean.

A388


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14628 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 60):
Believe me, the market exists..In my previous post, I forgot to mention the potential to grownthe Asian market via LAX..

IMHO, distance-wise UA Jamaica-ORD-Far East may be shorter than DL via LAX.
But let J.T.B. go after DL LAX-MBJ, see how it performs and then they could woo UA showing those numbers for a SFO-MBJ.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):
for the 752: parts cost more, overhaul costs more, crewing costs more, higher land fees. THere is much more to running a aircraft than lease costs.

The probably a small fleet of B737-300 may do the job fine for Fly Jamaica.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 62):
I am more inclined to think UA would give EWR-KIN another shot over IAH-KIN for obvious reasons.

Even if it's not a candidate for daily service, I'd not rule out IAH-KIN-IAH, specially if the flights were timed to offer good connections to/from western and mid U.S.
Perhaps someday we could see UA IAH/ORD-KIN.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14623 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 65):
I'd not rule out IAH-KIN-IAH, specially if the flights were timed to offer good connections to/from western and mid U.S.

i think this is more than when than if.

Quoting A388 (Reply 64):
It does equal profits if the ticket prices are sufficiently high combined with the needed load factor to make a profit and I can't imagine AA selling cheap tickets to the Caribbean.

but are they sufficiently high?
Yes, AA does sell expensive tickets to the Caribbean....is some markets.....but MBJ is routinely at the bottom of the fare/yield pile for AA in the region as MBJ is a volume market. Sorta like the CUN of Central America.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9714 posts, RR: 11
Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14601 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 66):
but are they sufficiently high?
Yes, AA does sell expensive tickets to the Caribbean....is some markets.....but MBJ is routinely at the bottom of the fare/yield pile for AA in the region as MBJ is a volume market. Sorta like the CUN of Central America.

Okay, where is AA to tell us their fares throughout the year on the DFW-MBJ route  

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14575 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):

JM made many attempts on the LAX MBJ route but its low yield. I doubt it has the VFR that LAX BZE has, and I was of the opinion that the leisure trade from LAX to Jamaica was more of the lower mass market Negril type. Maybe charters might be more appropriate.


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14552 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 63):
does not equal profits but DFW is a great connecting point.

It is well established that a full load doesn't necessarily equate to profits. What I was really getting at is it seem quite a number of those passengers were connecting through DFW to other destinations.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 65):
The probably a small fleet of B737-300 may do the job fine for Fly Jamaica.

Personally I hope they don't go the B737-300 route.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 65):
Even if it's not a candidate for daily service, I'd not rule out IAH-KIN-IAH, specially if the flights were timed to offer good connections to/from western and mid U.S.

IAH-KIN would be a good addition for Norman Manley International Airport. Definitely not daily though. As to how long it would last.......only time would tell. Have my doubts re ORD-KIN however.



greenheart
User currently offlinespeedbird2263 From Jamaica, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14544 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 69):
Personally I hope they don't go the B737-300 route.

Remember Mike Conway and the uproar from the JM flight crew? lol

-2263



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User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14535 times:
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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):
for the 752: parts cost more, overhaul costs more, crewing costs more, higher land fees. THere is much more to running a aircraft than lease costs.

Agreed, but 752 will have to suffice in some markets until the the Airbus 321neo becomes available. FJ has the right aircraft for its missions at this moment in time.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 65):
The probably a small fleet of B737-300 may do the job fine for Fly Jamaica.

Too small and too outdated. If warranted, an A 320 could supplement 757 operations.


User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14538 times:
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Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 70):
Remember Mike Conway and the uproar from the JM flight crew? l

Mike eventually decided on 6 A319's for JM. Unfortunately his contract was up after the first aircraft arrived. It was registered 6Y-JAD [msn3331]. The order for the others did not materialzed as the airline was disolved by a new government who gave it to a fellow caricom partner.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 73, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14510 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 69):
It is well established that a full load doesn't necessarily equate to profits. What I was really getting at is it seem quite a number of those passengers were connecting through DFW to other destinations

I would venture to say that 95% of them were connecting.

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 72):
Mike eventually decided on 6 A319's for JM.

Aircraft with relatively bad CASM. The reason why B6 did not choose them and DL not refurbishing the ones in its fleet.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 69):
IAH-KIN would be a good addition for Norman Manley International Airport. Definitely not daily though. As to how long it would last.......only time would tell.

It would. I think UA could make it work better than most thing. UA makes some routes work (daily at that) that other carriers can't or struggle on....like MID, RTB. And UA has a much bigger FF presence to draw from in the western USA than AA. If UA makes IAH-SJU work they can make IAH-KIN



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14411 times:
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According to the JTB Online arrivals stats for the month of March, there has been a huge increase in the number of arrivals from South and Central America...As previously mentioned, CM's new service has opened MBJ to new Latin markets..
The breakdown are as follow..

Scroll to page 10..


http://jtbonline.org/statistics/Mont...%202013%20Vol%20xxiii%20No%203.pdf

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):
or the 752: parts cost more, overhaul costs more, crewing costs more, higher land fees. THere is much more to running a aircraft than lease costs.

Not in FJ's case..
They got a very good lease deal on their airframe..
B752s are being sent to the desert..This depreciates their value, which makes spare parts very cheap..
FJ's staff cost are far lower than BW's Jamaican ops..This is a fact..

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):
maybe, but it needs to be more than tourism related. its needs to have VFR to keep the yields up. its a tough market. Jamaica is more of an east coast tourism market vs say BZE (which just got LAX service) which is more west coast. Would someone goign to MBJ be willing to pay over $1000USD for a RT?

The market can and has survived on tourist related traffic...
The majority of paxs on JM's past flights to LAX, vacationed at the country's most exclusive villas, such as Half Moon and Tryall..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 62):

As per the article, it appears as if they will use the larger B752 during the peak periods. I really hope they stick around this time in KIN if it is feasible for them to do so. Also I notice their website shows the B738 as the equipment type come December as opposed to the MD88.

I have faith they will be around this time..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 62):
It would seem that way indeed........................................


This is what I love to see, Jamaicans supporting other Jamaican venture..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 62):
Back in the ' Butch ' era, I can't remember JM operating LAX-MBJ with the A321. If they did, it wasn't frequent. During my time working in the industry back then, that route was always an A320 metal........at least on the days I happened to be on duty when those flights were scheduled.

They have operated the A321 in the past, but it had weight penalties on the westbound leg..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 68):
JM made many attempts on the LAX MBJ route but its low yield. I doubt it has the VFR that LAX BZE has, and I was of the opinion that the leisure trade from LAX to Jamaica was more of the lower mass market Negril type. Maybe charters might be more appropriate.

Never a low yielding route..Am sure, posters on here who worked with JM will confirm, LAX was never a low yielding route..The flight was filled with celebrities and it was one route, where J class was fully booked..
What killed JM was their high overheads..

Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 70):
Remember Mike Conway and the uproar from the JM flight crew? lol

Not to mention the B752 fiasco..

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 71):
Agreed, but 752 will have to suffice in some markets until the the Airbus 321neo becomes available. FJ has the right aircraft for its missions at this moment in time.

Agree..



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14359 times:

Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 70):
Remember Mike Conway and the uproar from the JM flight crew? lol

Remember quite vividly. They were not pleased at all !! Lol. Neither was I.

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 72):
It was registered 6Y-JAD

Any idea which company this aircraft is flying for now ?

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 73):
It would. I think UA could make it work better than most thing. UA makes some routes work (daily at that) that other carriers can't or struggle on....like MID, RTB. And UA has a much bigger FF presence to draw from in the western USA than AA. If UA makes IAH-SJU work they can make IAH-KIN

Time will tell.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 74):
CM's new service has opened MBJ to new Latin markets..

This is good news for both CM and Jamaica.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 74):
They have operated the A321 in the past, but it had weight penalties on the westbound leg..

I figured they would have had weight restrictions if they used the A321 to LAX. As for that LAX-MBJ market, over the years the route has seen American Trans Air L1011's, TW L1011's and B767s and of course JM A300s, L1011s** , and A320s/A321s. One thing is certain, some amount of demand exists whether low or high yielding. ** operated by HA



greenheart
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14321 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 75):
This is good news for both CM and Jamaica.

But please CM take notice and don't keep Jamaica without a PTY flight 2 days per week as you do now!
  



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14320 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 75):
Any idea which company this aircraft is flying for now ?

Now flying for Tatarstan Air in Russia..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 75):
This is good news for both CM and Jamaica.
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 76):
But please CM take notice and don't keep Jamaica without a PTY flight 2 days per week as you do now!

The summer schedule will see a 4 weekly service starting tomorrow..Sat,Sun,Mon and Thur with a B738..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 75):
One thing is certain, some amount of demand exists whether low or high yielding. ** operated by HA

I agree..In the month of Mar, MBJ saw over 2779 tourists from California region..

Scroll to page 18..

http://jtbonline.org/statistics/Mont...%202013%20Vol%20xxiii%20No%203.pdf



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User currently offlinejm079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):

When Butch had owned JM and he ran the LAX - MBJ , the route was to facilitate guest staying at his resort to have non stop flights. So why would you characterise that as low yield.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 76):


Perhaps, you need to explain the rational for wanting to see CM operate daily service to MBJ when the route only calls for 5 flts a week as that is what the demand is for. If there was a demand for a daily service at then I can see that. But it makes business to gown the route first. So what is your rational for wanting to see daily service!


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14259 times:

Quoting jm079 (Reply 78):
Perhaps, you need to explain the rational for wanting to see CM operate daily service to MBJ when the route only calls for 5 flts a week as that is what the demand is for. If there was a demand for a daily service at then I can see that. But it makes business to gown the route first. So what is your rational for wanting to see daily service!

Passengers travelling between Latin America and Jamaica - be MBJ or KIN traffic, be VFR, Higglers, or leisure passengers - were delighted that flying CM via PTY they could possibly get to/from the island everyday of the week, as it's much more easier to get between MBJ and KIN than having to wait the day the flight operates in MBJ or KIN, or fly AA via MIA.
But the smart people at CM have scheduled MBJ and KIN flights the same 3 days of the week plus one day to MBJ, another to KIN leaving 2 days of the week with no flights at all to the island of Jamaica.
I understand the thinking behind flights operating on the most attractive days of the week for MBJ and KIN traffic, but seeing Jamaica as an island not easily connected to Latin America it makes a lot of sense for CM (and Jamaica for that matter) to have PTY flights every day of the week.
Personally, if I'm to fly to Jamaica I'd not like to be bounden by which day of the week CM flies to the island, I prefer daily service, I'd fly the day I want even if I'm flying for business in Kingston and the flight the day I want to arrive or depart operates in MBJ. And I'm fine with land transfer, not looking for an air-transfer between MBJ and KIN (or KTP).
The daily CM service I wish to see is to the island of Jamaica split between flights to MBJ and KIN, not daily PTY-MBJ.



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User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14236 times:

Quoting jm079 (Reply 78):
When Butch had owned JM and he ran the LAX - MBJ , the route was to facilitate guest staying at his resort to have non stop flights.

But that was precisely the problem, wasn't it? The airline was transporting passengers, and not making money.



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14139 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 79):
Passengers travelling between Latin America and Jamaica - be MBJ or KIN traffic, be VFR, Higglers, or leisure passengers - were delighted that flying CM via PTY they could possibly get to/from the island everyday of the week, as it's much more easier to get between MBJ and KIN than having to wait the day the flight operates in MBJ or KIN, or fly AA via MIA.
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 79):
The daily CM service I wish to see is to the island of Jamaica split between flights to MBJ and KIN, not daily PTY-MBJ.

So in a nutshell you are saying that originally the CM flights were scheduled in such a way that one could fly to Jamaica ( MBJ/KIN ) on any given day of the week but without the need for daily services to each airport. I understand what you are saying now. It wasn't so clear to me initially. Well one advantage of such a schedule is that they could promote daily flights to/from the island, without the need to operate to each city on a daily basis.



greenheart
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14115 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 77):
MBJ saw over 2779 tourists from California region..

That is less than the tourist numbers for Calif to BZE (3889 per month + the VFR) and BZE has only just now gotten a 1Xweekly LAX-BZE.

I would ay those MBJ number need to come up a bit more before someone decides to try it.....first step would be for UA to start seeing more So Cal traffic on its IAH-MBJ.....UA has alot of LAX-IAH frequencies which feed its C. American, Lat America and some Caribbean flights......its pretty impressive to watch those IAH bound bags being tagged at LAX....all you see is SAP, GCM, BZE, SJU, TGU, MID , etc etc.....



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13927 times:

As was disclosed some time ago, Fly Jamaica will be increasing the KIN-JFK frequency to daily service as at the end of June...............


'' After several weeks of rumours that flights to Jamaica would be reduced, Caribbean Airlines (CAL), last month, confirmed reports that the airline would be cutting back on the number of flights to Jamaica. This move, which took effect on April 16, provided an opportunity for Fly Jamaica Airways to increase the number of flights from Jamaica to New York.

According to Chief Operating Officer at Fly Jamaica Airways, Captain Lloyd Tai, as at the end of June, the airline will be providing daily flights to and from New York. The airline currently operates four flights per week, including Sundays, out of the Norman Manley International Airport to the John F. Kennedy Airport in New York. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130605/news/news7.html


I am sure the diaspora will appreciate these additional seats being available throughout the busy summer travel season.


The AA staff at MBJ are creating waves again for a third time..................


WESTERN BUREAU:THIRD TIME is a charm for American Airlines (AA) employees at the Sangster International Airport, Montego Bay for copping the airline's coveted Customer Cup for the first quarter of 2013.

'' This is the fourth time the cup has made its way to Jamaica in the last two years, distinguishing the service provided by the Jamaicans as above par. Sangster has outpaced AA employees at airports such as New York's La Guardia International, San Francisco International, Toronto Pearson and Richmond International. "


'' Currently, American offers up to 56 weekly flights between Jamaica and the United States and with the AA/US Airways merger, there is expected to be significant increase in the numbers. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130605/news/news4.html


Congrats to MBJ and the AA team over there.



greenheart
User currently offlinejm079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13920 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 79):

KIN traffic is heavily VFR and MBJ is leisure. Two different markets.

Fly-Jamaica announced that they will be operating daily service between KIN and JFK effective July 1.

They have advised that another 757 will be joing there fleet.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130605/news/news7.html


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13832 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 83):
As was disclosed some time ago, Fly Jamaica will be increasing the KIN-JFK frequency to daily service as at the end of June...............


'' After several weeks of rumours that flights to Jamaica would be reduced, Caribbean Airlines (CAL), last month, confirmed reports that the airline would be cutting back on the number of flights to Jamaica. This move, which took effect on April 16, provided an opportunity for Fly Jamaica Airways to increase the number of flights from Jamaica to New York.
Quoting jm079 (Reply 84):
Fly-Jamaica announced that they will be operating daily service between KIN and JFK effective July 1.

They have advised that another 757 will be joing there fleet.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2....html

This comes at a time when they were given the approval to start GEO-JFK/YYZ from the Guyanese authorities...Congrats to Fly Jam..

Quote:
The long wait is over for officials of the new aviation runner, Fly Jamaica, as Government announced the go ahead for the Jamaican air carrier to service the country. Head of the Presidential Secretariat, Dr. Roger Luncheon told media operatives yesterday that Fly Jamaica will be operating out of Guyana to New York and Toronto.

He said the approval came after the standard evaluation procedures by the Guyana Civil Aviation Authority and the recommendation to Cabinet by Public Works Minister Robeson Benn. Dr, Luncheon said that a $40M bond is expected to be deposited by the airline.

Officials of Fly Jamaica expressed enthusiasm at the announcement and expressed their delight to serve Guyana, especially with a son of the soil being a co-owner of the executive team. Captain Ronald Reece told Kaieteur News that it is too soon to say exactly when service will start, but hopes are high that this will be done by next month.

The air carrier has however, come in the nick of time. Guyanese passengers have been faced with hiked air fares and the peak season is not yet here. Officials had anticipated the likely increases during the peak summer season with ticket prices to the United States falling somewhere around $700US, one way.
http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...leared-to-fly-georgetown-new-york/

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Eff Nov 4, 2013...AC will deploy their B763 on the daily YYZ-MBJ route..



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13820 times:

I was at KIN earlier this week and along with me I counted 38 BZE bound (KIN-MIA-BZE) pax. All individuals......and not the first time i seen that level...$1200 a pop..and 8 of the J class seats on the flight were Belize bound pax....all businessmen.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 87, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13800 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 86):
was at KIN earlier this week and along with me I counted 38 BZE bound (KIN-MIA-BZE) pax. All individuals......and not the first time i seen that level...$1200 a pop..and 8 of the J class seats on the flight were Belize bound pax....all businessmen.

Where's BW thrice weekly (GEO/BGI)-POS-KIN-BZE and 4 per week (GEO/BGI)-POS-KIN-NAS when you need it??   



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User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13743 times:
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FJ's 757-200 is fresh out of "C" check. Look out for sister ship in a few days.

User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13698 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 85):
This comes at a time when they were given the approval to start GEO-JFK/YYZ from the Guyanese authorities...Congrats to Fly Jam..

Great news indeed. Hopefully they will be able to acquire the additional B752 and start very soon.

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 88):
FJ's 757-200 is fresh out of "C" check. Look out for sister ship in a few days.

I assume that aircraft which completed her C check didn't get the new livery after all. Anyway looking forward to them entering the YYZ market.



greenheart
User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13622 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 87):

How often are there 38 BZE bou8nd passengers from KIN? The stats on a link above indicate that fewer than 200 people travelled from BZE to KIN in Jan-Mar 2013. Unlike the situation with PTY (700 traveled from Panama) there is little intransit traffic, and I suspect that travel by Jamaicans to BZE is similarly limited.

Also it might amaze folks about how many business people might even stay with AA, even with nonstops, for Frequent flyer puposes. Plus enjoying the MIA stop off in some instances. I am aware that people use to use AA from SKB to BGI via SJU, rather than the cheaper and more convenient LI route via ANU.

BW definitely CANNOT afford to start speculative routes at this time. Indeed its JFK route is 100% booked and we haven't even reached July yet!

The KIN NAS route can be rescheduled to connect with the KIN POS route, though its hard to see how there can be frequencies sufficient high to make a difference. Had an ATR been assigned to KIN then one can imagine that higher frequencies to NAS, to allow many connections over KIN, and maybe even a KIN GCM BZE flight being possible.

I don't see that happening unless/until KIN proves itself and BW solves its financial problems and acquires a 6th ATR.

Given that most of this traffic between BZE and the Caribbean consists of business people and gov't officials, they have easy access to US visas, and I doubt that increased airlift will remarkably increase travel as it would we there significant leisure component.

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 88):

Vitally needed as JFK POS GEO is fully booked and its not even July yet! If FJ offers a good product their presence will be welcomed.


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13624 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 87):
Where's BW thrice weekly (GEO/BGI)-POS-KIN-BZE and 4 per week (GEO/BGI)-POS-KIN-NAS when you need it??

Am sorry, but I don't see this ever happening....As I mentioned, there is no way those ATRs will grace KIN due to "stiff resistance" from another carrier..

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 88):
FJ's 757-200 is fresh out of "C" check. Look out for sister ship in a few days.
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 89):
I assume that aircraft which completed her C check didn't get the new livery after all. Anyway looking forward to them entering the YYZ market.

It returned to service yesterday..
I was told YYZ should commence next month..

They are also looking at FLL, but are not happy with the available slot times..

Quoting guyanam (Reply 90):
Vitally needed as JFK POS GEO is fully booked and its not even July yet! If FJ offers a good product their presence will be welcomed.

Looks like there is a huge void to fill..
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FJM will now work closely with Chef Brian Lumley..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/null_zps25ca180b.jpg




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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 92, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13624 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 90):
Given that most of this traffic between BZE and the Caribbean consists of business people and gov't officials, they have easy access to US visas,

Don't assume that. Also the number of students at UWI Mona & BGI is sizeable. Lots of NGOs are travelling between BGI / POS and BZE too. PAHO, UNICEF, IDB etc. Many of the business people you speak of would gladly forgo a US connection if it was faster and less likely a misconnect (hello CM!)...For example the CEO of Belize Bank is from POS. He travels to and from POS every mon and fri. The business traffic is robust.


Quoting guyanam (Reply 90):
How often are there 38 BZE bou8nd passengers from KIN?

I have seen it as high as 68 on flights....granted i check them only occasionally. Also remember that the recording of these people are skewed because many stop in MIA both ways because they don't like the rushed connections and the very real possibility of missing the flight and AA telling you that they are not responsible. My wife is travelling BZE-MIA-KIN-MIA-BZE this coming week and she is stopping in MIA both ways. She is travelling on a EU passport and will surely write MIA as her point or origin and destination on her immigration cards at all points. That is a very very common scenario with the number of expats in both locals.

The numbers are enough to support a 738....but a MWFSat ATR BZE-KIN would do nicely....especially if it was timed to BA at KIN.



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User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13580 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 89):
I assume that aircraft which completed her C check didn't get the new livery after all. Anyway looking forward to them entering the YYZ market.

The most noticeable change that was made to the aircraft is the inclusion of "WWW.FLY-JAMAICA.COM" in bold navy font on the aircraft's upper fuselage, above the regular "Fly Jamaica" title.



Cleared for takeoff!
User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13538 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 91):
They are also looking at FLL, but are not happy with the available slot times..

Any idea of what time slots were available to them ?

Quoting LimaMike (Reply 93):
The most noticeable change that was made to the aircraft is the inclusion of "WWW.FLY-JAMAICA.COM" in bold navy font on the aircraft's upper fuselage, above the regular "Fly Jamaica" title.

Guess we wont be seeing a new livery per say anytime soon. Hopefully I am wrong. They need a more prominent appearance livery wise I think, factoring the cost of course. Nothing flashy or over busy. Just one that is a bit more eye catching and vibrant in appearance.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13541 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 94):

I was told, due to runway construction, the only available slots available are after midnight...

Btw, B6 will now send their A320s some days on the FLL-KIN sector..



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13506 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 92):

Jamaica, I assume, records arrivals based on place of usual residence. Otherwise the data would be meaningless for tourism market analysis. I don't see why BZE would be recorded differently from states in the USA which do not have direct service to Jamaica. Like CT, from which most depart to MBJ/KIN from JFK. Or for that matter islands like SKB, or EIS which also require an intransit via SXM or ANU.

Those who make decisions on routes can only do so based on available facts. And it does appear as if there are periodic spikes, but not sustained travel. Also there are some who might well like the idea of a MIA stop, to shop.

Now granted that there will be some loss if the data is coded in incorrectly, ie, based on point of immediate origin, and not place of normal residence. But it does appear as if the Jcans are quite good at coding in their arriavls data, based on the high degree of detail.

Indeed even the KIN/ E/Cbn service only works because it ties the ENTIRE Eastern Caribbean to Jamaica with multi stops along the way, and it only operates 1X daily. I do not know if BGI on its own would support service from KIN without POS and other points also added. And there is definitely more travel between KIN and BGI than to BZE.

In order to prove that BZE can support a 738 (at least 90-100 passengers per flight) evidence will have to be found which establishes that such an average can be maintained 52 weeks of the year, and not when school begins or ends, or when there is a conference somewhere.

If the ATR was a possibility then a KIN GCM BZE flight would quite likely be sustainable. But I do not see BW taking 738s and sending them to BZE.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 97, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 13369 times:

Did anyone get a pic of the The Mexican team's Interjet A320 going to PTY from Jamaica.


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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13290 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 95):
I was told, due to runway construction, the only available slots available are after midnight...

Those slots wouldn't be ideal for Fly Jamaica on the KIN-FLL route at all.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 95):
Btw, B6 will now send their A320s some days on the FLL-KIN sector..

As expected. I am also expecting their E-190 to grace MBJ from FLL ( even if not daily ) at some point in the near future.


Protest by Air Traffic Controllers loom.......................


'' Air traffic controllers have voted to take industrial action to press the government for a wage increase.

President of the Jamaica Air Traffic Controller Association Kurt Solomon would not say the specific form of the protest but noted that it will have an impact on the aviation sector.

Solomon says the protest action will begin later this week. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=45641


Hopefully the issue can be resolved soon as the busy summer travel period is basically here already......



greenheart
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13236 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 98):

I agree... I could see a twice daily service from KIN-FLL with an am and pm departure ex KIN..

Flyjamaica has once again stepped up their PR in New York...By December, I expect them to have the largest slice of the JFK-KIN market ..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/null_zpse6b2a3e2.jpg



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User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13118 times:
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Quoting hummingbird (Reply 99):
Flyjamaica has once again stepped up their PR in New York...By December, I expect them to have the largest slice of the JFK-KIN market ..

D'ont forget the lucrative JFK-GEO. market.   


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13092 times:

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 100):

When will tehy start? BW is adding capacity so the route isnt as underserved as it was.


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13091 times:
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Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 100):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 101):

Yes, BW is adding capacity, but at the same time, they are being blasted By The GOG for their exorbitant fares on the market..



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13053 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 102):

Do not for one minute assume that Fly Jamaica will not receive the same level of resistance from Guyanese that BW received from Jamaicans. BW will immediately match FJs fares, and passengers will flock to the devil who they have known for 73 years ahead of the one who they dont know. Too many carriers have gone belly up and FJ will no tinitially inspire the confidence that JM under Butch Stewart would have

Its a pity that FJ hasnt announced flights because now people will take a chance, given that BW is mostly sold out. Come Sept when there will be many BW seats relative to the demand it will be tougher for FJ, until Xmas that is.

So unless they announce soon they might as well wait to Xmas.


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12886 times:

Fly Jamaica will be adding two additional flights for the busy summer travel season. Here are the details :

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp16/gemini787/fjm_zpsd8cb09fa.png


My co-worker's family flew with them on the KIN - JFK last week Thursday and they were quite impressed with their service.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12821 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 104):

Cant wait to see aircraft # 2 for the launch of YYZ..


Things are taking a turn for the worst..

The Jamaican Govt has given BW a 30 days ultimatum to fix issues related to The Jamaican Operations..

The Government of Jamaica has given the Trinidadian authorities one month to give a clear outline on the way forward for the Air Jamaica brand which is under the control of Caribbean Airlines (CAL). Concern has been raised locally about how the brand is being managed in the wake of the decision by the Trinidadian air carrier in April to reduce daily flights to Jamaica.
http://rjrnewsonline.com/local/jamai...-gives-tt-ultimatum-on-air-jamaica

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Arising from Tuesday’s high level meeting to discuss the future of the Air Jamaica brand under the control of Caribbean Airlines it has been decided that the Joint Working Group be reconvened. It will comprise Jamaican and Trinidadian officials.

Dr. Omar Davies, Minister of Transport and Works, said the team will look into issues concerning the Air Jamaica brand including marketing and airlift.

http://rjrnewsonline.com/business/jo...o-discuss-calair-jamaica-relations



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6039 posts, RR: 2
Reply 106, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12797 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 102):
Yes, BW is adding capacity, but at the same time, they are being blasted By The GOG for their exorbitant fares on the market..

That song sounds familiar.



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12705 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 105):
Cant wait to see aircraft # 2 for the launch of YYZ..

Same here. Eagerly anticipating the KIN-YYZ inaugural.


Sadly Jamaica Air Shuttle did not manage to get investors on board and has now officially closed its operations.........


'' JAMAICA Air Shuttle has closed its airline operations, after failing to bring investors on board to purchase its grounded planes.
The carrier in February announced that it was temporarily suspending operations after an overseas-based partner and owner of the aircraft pulled out of the business. At the time, the company had planned to put together a consortium of investors to purchase the two 12-seater Beech 99 aircraft they were forced to ground, and resume business. "


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...huttle-shuts-down-airline_14521967


I am certain many will miss the convenient service they provided in the past. Should result in more business for Knutsford Express.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 105):
The Jamaican Govt has given BW a 30 days ultimatum to fix issues related to The Jamaican Operations..

But will it ever be fixed ?



greenheart
User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12601 times:

Seem there are some flight disruptions today due to a strike by local air traffic controllers...................


'' The controllers who went on strike at both the Sangster and Norman Manley International airports yesterday, did not turn up for work again this morning, highly-placed sources have told The Gleaner.

They are upset about salary issues, after failing to reach an agreement with the management two weeks ago.

Saturdays and Sundays are the busiest periods at both airports, with Montego Bay handling an average of 90 flights.

The strike has forced the postponement of JetBlue's flight 1675 out of Fort Lauderdale into Kingston this morning.

That flight was scheduled to depart Fort Lauderdale at 7:00 a.m (6:00 a.m EST), however, passengers were advised of an indefinite delay. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=45937


Lets hope things will get back to normal asap.


A lawyer was recently removed from a B6 flight at KIN that was preparing to depart to FLL bacause of his arrogance..............


'' Law enforcement officers were a short while ago called on a JetBlue flight to Fort Lauderdale to remove a Kingston attorney.

Attorney-at-Law Anthony Levy was alleged to have disobeyed the instructions of the flight attendant.

It all started when a member of the ground staff told Levy to close his overhead bin since there was no space to accommodate his hand luggage.

Levy, seemingly angered by a random search before boarding the plane, insisted that he would be fitting his bag in the bin. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=45065


This story missed me last month. When will some passengers ever learn ? Apparently that lawyer think he is above the law.


Seem they are contemplating relaxing visa requirements for all Latin Americans visiting Jamaica................


'' Jamaica is now contemplating the removal of visa requirements for citizens of all Latin American countries entering the island.

The announcement was made today by Tourism Minister Dr Wykeham McNeill at the annual general meeting of the Jamaica Hotel and Tourist Association at the Sunset Jamaica Grande in Ocho Rios, St Ann.

The Jamaican Government has already removed the visa requirements for nationals from some Latin American countries such as Colombia, Venezuela and Panama.

Since then, McNeill says Jamaica has seen an increase in visitor arrivals from those countries. ''


http://jamaica-gleaner.com/latest/article.php?id=45381


There will be very mixed views on this proposal. Let us see how this one will play out.



greenheart
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12447 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 107):
Sadly Jamaica Air Shuttle did not manage to get investors on board and has now officially closed its operations.........

Its sad to see them go, but hopefully, they will find a new investor to restore services in the future..

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 106):
That song sounds familiar.

Its getting louder as we speak...lol

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 108):

There will be very mixed views on this proposal. Let us see how this one will play out.

This is the only way of increasing the Latin American markets into Jamaica...I expect CM to increase services in the next 6 months..
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AC Rouge wll now replace AC on the YYZ-MBJ route for W13...The service will operate daily with a B763..
Also, YYZ-KIN will operate 5 weekly for W13..
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Draw your own conclusions, AirJamaica.com is now deleted...

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According to a Guyanese article, FlyJam should start GEo-YYZ service by August..It also mentioned services to MIA and JFK from GEO..
MIA, is there such a big market for a B752??

Fly Jamaica begins operating Guyana Toronto route by August
June 24, 2013

FlyTourism Industry and Commerce Minister Irfaan Ali says by August, Fly Jamaica will begin operating the Guyana Toronto route.

Ali while addressing journalists in Toronto last evening, said Fly Jamaica will begin operating the Georgetown/Miami and Georgetown/ New York routes by July and promised to add the Georgetown/Toronto route by August.

http://www.caribbeanavenue.com/aviation/viewtopic.php?f=401&t=15570



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12390 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 109):
This is the only way of increasing the Latin American markets into Jamaica...I expect CM to increase services in the next 6 months..

Would be great to see CM increase flights to the island if the demand warrants it.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 109):
AC Rouge wll now replace AC on the YYZ-MBJ route for W13...The service will operate daily with a B763..
Also, YYZ-KIN will operate 5 weekly for W13..

Will YYZ-KIN be operated by '' Rouge " as well ?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 109):
Draw your own conclusions, AirJamaica.com is now deleted...

Seem they did a revamp of sorts. I was able to access it.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 109):
MIA, is there such a big market for a B752??

Was asking myself the same question. Doubt it very much.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12293 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 110):
Would be great to see CM increase flights to the island if the demand warrants it.

Lots of people - including myself - will be very happy the day CM flies from its hub to the Island of Jamaica every-day.



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User currently offlineyankeejuliet From Jamaica, joined Sep 2008, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12233 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 111):
Lots of people - including myself - will be very happy the day CM flies from its hub to the Island of Jamaica every-day.

Look for this happening on the MBJ run by summer 2014 as the Jamaican tourism intrests increase their drive to boost arrivals from Latin American markets. Kingston will remain flat on 3 or 4 flights per week.


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12157 times:
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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 110):

Will YYZ-KIN be operated by '' Rouge " as well ?

Yes..I also expect service increases to MBJ from YYZ in the near future....
Gone are the days when MBJ saw AC's A330 and A340..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 110):
Seem they did a revamp of sorts. I was able to access it.

I believe this is an indication..They recently repainted JMF in BW's livery..

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 111):
Lots of people - including myself - will be very happy the day CM flies from its hub to the Island of Jamaica every-day.

Me too...Am hoping to see 11 weekly by W14...

Saw this video of B727s in MBJ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajL_-UZac2U



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12047 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 111):
Lots of people - including myself - will be very happy the day CM flies from its hub to the Island of Jamaica every-day.
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 113):
Me too...Am hoping to see 11 weekly by W14...

Looking forward to that as well.

Quoting yankeejuliet (Reply 112):
Look for this happening on the MBJ run by summer 2014 as the Jamaican tourism intrests increase their drive to boost arrivals from Latin American markets. Kingston will remain flat on 3 or 4 flights per week.

Myself think the schedule will eventually look something like that.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 113):
Yes..I also expect service increases to MBJ from YYZ in the near future....
Gone are the days when MBJ saw AC's A330 and A340..

AC previously started up " Zip " and "Tango " to compete with the likes of WS etc and eventually they were discontinued. Lets see how their new '' Rogue " outfit will play out.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 113):
I believe this is an indication..They recently repainted JMF in BW's livery..

The whole scenario is both confusing and humorous at the same time.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 113):
Saw this video of B727s in MBJ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajL_-...Zac2U

I remember that '' noisy " era.


Privatization of NMIA is still pending......................


" Earlier this year, Minister of Transport, Works and Housing, Omar Davies said that a 2004 capital development master plan will guide the process, as well as inform the capital development programme at the facility.
"This development will include the extension and widening of the runway and the establishment of runway end safety areas, all consistent with International Civil Aviation Organisation and Jamaica Civil Aviation Authority safety standards," said Davies in a Jamaica Information Service (JIS) report. "


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...ay-be-approved-by-October_14574094


Lets see what will happen by year end.



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11886 times:

Great news for Jamaica. F9 will start DEN-MBJ come December...............

F9 108 DEN-MBJ 0810-1500 A319
F9 107 MBJ-DEN 1555-1935 A319


'' Frontier Airlines will soon be flying from its Denver hub to Montego Bay, Jamaica, making it Denver International Airport's ninth country with nonstop access.
The route's new fares were posted on Sunday for flights beginning Dec. 22 and happening weekly. The new route marks Denver's only nonstop service to Jamaica and the airport's only nonstop winter route to the Caribbean. "


http://www.denverpost.com/business/c...weekly-nonstop-from-denver-jamaica


Finally ! Hopefully this route will do well and eventually increase in frequency over time. On a side note, I think JM was planning to operate it ( alongside IAD ) back in the '' Butch '' era but that didn't materialize.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11872 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 115):
Great news for Jamaica. F9 will start DEN-MBJ come December

From what it was posted on other topics here on a.net, the flight will be a seasonal scheduled charter on behalf of Apple holidays and by the looks of the schedule, seems it is mainly for DEN market.
Probably F9 would continue flying DEN-MBJ again or move UA to be interested in opening that route.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2740 posts, RR: 1
Reply 117, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11865 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 115):
Great news for Jamaica. F9 will start DEN-MBJ come December...............
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 116):
seems it is mainly for DEN market.

The average daily O&D market to/from DEN/MBJ is about 55 pax per day, or 385 pax per week. With that number, I think that F9/Apple are looking at the local market, and with more than enough bodies to fill an A319 both ways with a 1X weekly flight, I think that a bit of a premium can be earned for the convenience of a nonstop, and with the convenience of a nonstop, I also think that O&D pax numbers will rise quickly, and additional frequency could follow.

With the above pax numbers, probably most will be from the Denver area looking to get out of the winter cold for a week. On the flip side...... are the any Jamaicans who like mountain skiing?

All the best to F9 and MBJ on this one. I think this has been a long time in planning (2003) and possibly will create a new small influx of tourist to Montego Bay. Now..... if we can just get some Jamaicans to get interested in some of the best mountain skiing in the world, eh?

 



[Edited 2013-07-01 08:53:02]

User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11781 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 116):
From what it was posted on other topics here on a.net, the flight will be a seasonal scheduled charter on behalf of Apple holidays and by the looks of the schedule, seems it is mainly for DEN market.
Probably F9 would continue flying DEN-MBJ again or move UA to be interested in opening that route.

I figured they would initially start with that type of seasonal scheduled service in cooperation with Apple. Great to see this new nonstop service.

Quoting point2point (Reply 117):
are the any Jamaicans who like mountain skiing?

All the best to F9 and MBJ on this one. I think this has been a long time in planning (2003) and possibly will create a new small influx of tourist to Montego Bay. Now..... if we can just get some Jamaicans to get interested in some of the best mountain skiing in the world, eh?

I am sure there are a few adventurous ones who will gladly take on the challenge. Lol. Hoping to see that F9 frequency increase in the future.


***** AC's " Rouge " touched down in KIN for the first time today.........................



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2740 posts, RR: 1
Reply 119, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11729 times:

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 118):
I am sure there are a few adventurous ones who will gladly take on the challenge. Lol. Hoping to see that F9 frequency increase in the future.

I would think that mountain skiing is somewhere along the some lines of water skiing - just a lot colder and if one gets very good, a lot freer and faster . And snowboarding is sort of similar to surfing, although I don't think there's that much surfing at Montego Bay?

We've seen Jamaicans go for bobsledding..... I think that mountain skiing could be a lot more fun, and when it gets really cold cold cold..... just think of those high altitude mountain taverns at the top end of the chairlifts serving hot toddys.

 


User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11635 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 119):
And snowboarding is sort of similar to surfing, although I don't think there's that much surfing at Montego Bay?

There are other areas of the island such as Bull Bay where surfing is popular but I wouldn't classify Montego Bay as a '' surfing " hot spot.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 118):
***** AC's " Rouge " touched down in KIN for the first time today.........................

More on AC Rouge Jamaica service.............


'' AIR Canada rouge's five weekly flights from Toronto to Kingston and plans to use bigger planes flying to Montego Bay should give Jamaica a much-needed boost in arrivals from the North American destination.
Jamaica has seen substantial growth in the number of Canadian visitors over the past decade, but arrivals from that market for the first five months of 2013 declined by 8.9 per cent, when compared to the similar period last year. "


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...-could-help-boost-tourism_14603553


Great to see AC's commitment to both MBJ and KIN where service to Jamaica is concerned.


VS is also re-affirming its commitment to MBJ..............


'' Virgin Atlantic discontinued its London to Kingston service last April, citing what it said was the impending unsustainability of the route. However, the carrier continued flying from London to Montego Bay and said that it remains committed to bringing more high-end leisure travellers to the region. "


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...gin-urges-dynamic-tourism_14612718


Again this is welcome news from VS.


** On a side note, Fly Jamaica will also be offering charter flights and hotel packages from KIN to SCU this summer for locals wishing to explore that Cuban city.



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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11639 times:
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Airline News..


LIAT, who recently received their first ATR72 aircraft, is looking at operating service to Jamaica..

Quote:
He told a ceremony to welcome the airline%u2019s new ATR Aircraft at the ET Joshua Airport that discussions were held recently toward forming a partnership with the Venezuela owned Convesa Airline.

Dr Gonsalves told the ceremony in Kingston that the expansion could result in flights to Haiti and Jamaica as well as flights to other airports where the airline already provides service.
http://www.antiguaobserver.com/liat-commences-expansion-talks/

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FlyJam is currently recruiting pilots with B752 experience...Let the expansions begin!..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/null_zpsac428fe1.jpg

Also, ads are out promoting their generous baggage allowance..

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At a reception to introduce AC's new Rouge service to KIN, it was mentioned, flights will be increased to KIN for the upcoming winter season..
Also, flights will be added to MBJ from YVR and YYC..

Quote:
Flights to Montego Bay during the period will continue to be operated by Air Canada, and the capacity will remain more or less the same as last year,

But Air Canada rouge will increase its capacity from Kingston to Toronto by a further 13 per cent, this winter, when it will also start using a Boeing 767 with 282 seats to fly from Toronto to Montego Bay -- increasing its capacity to there by 56 per cent.

"In total, Air Canada rouge will be increasing Air Canada's capacity for next winter by 35 per cent, which is a tremendous commitment to the Jamaican market," said Friisdahl.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...ost-tourism_14603553#ixzz2XzShj7JI

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Construction to begin on new Marriot Hotel in Kingston...I expect once this hotel is completed, Jamaica will be in a position to host major Track and Field Events in Kingston..

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...Kingston-on-J-1-75b-Marriott-hotel

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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 114):
AC previously started up " Zip " and "Tango " to compete with the likes of WS etc and eventually they were discontinued. Lets see how their new '' Rogue " outfit will play out.
Quoting airjamaica (Reply 118):
***** AC's " Rouge " touched down in KIN for the first time today.........................

IMO..With their lower costs, they are able to compete effectively with WS...I beleive, the market is huge for 3 carriers..Once FlyJam starts, I expect a pullout from BW..

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 115):
Finally ! Hopefully this route will do well and eventually increase in frequency over time. On a side note, I think JM was planning to operate it ( alongside IAD ) back in the '' Butch '' era but that didn't materialize.
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 116):
Probably F9 would continue flying DEN-MBJ again or move UA to be interested in opening that route.

This route has been in the works for two years..Its nice to see it coming to fruition..The DEN-MBJ should do well in the winter months...I expect to see an expanded frequency for the rest of the winter season..

If UA serves DEN, it would duplicate their IAH-MBJ serves which serves as a feeder for the West Coast markets..
According to JTB stats, the Colorado market between Jan-May 2013, saw 4,333 pax travelling to MBJ..

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Things are heating up on the KIN-JFK markets..The following schedule dictates, the market is growing and competition is fierce..


JFK-KIN

BW

016...Daily..Dep 02:00 arr 04:50
011...Daily..Dep 05:50 arr 08:35..Stop in MBJ
014..Fri/Sat..Dep13:35 arr 16:25..
006..Thur/Sun..Dep 15:55 arr 20:25..

B6

559...Daily..Dep 06:30 arr 09:15
659...Daily..Dep 20:50 arr 23:56

OJ

120.Mo,Thur,Fri,Sun..Dep 12:05 arr 14:55
122.Mo,Tu...Dep 01:15 arr 04:05am..

KIN-JFK

BW

15..Fri/Sat Dep 07.00 arr 11:45
07..Thur/Sun Dep 07:30 arr 14:00..Stop in MBJ
111 Daily...Dep 16:50 arr 22:50..Stop in MBJ
017..Daily..Dep 19:10 arr 23:55

B6

960..Daily Dep 0:55 arr 5:42..
560..Daily Dep 10:11 arr 14:59

OJ
121..Mo,Thur,Fr,Sun Dep 05:30 arr 10:15
123..Mo,Su Dep 17:30 arr 22:15

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Quoting airjamaica (Reply 120):
** On a side note, Fly Jamaica will also be offering charter flights and hotel packages from KIN to SCU this summer for locals wishing to explore that Cuban city.

Am pretty sure, there will be no problems filling the aircraft on such a popular vacation spot for Jamaicans..I wonder which Travel Agency is handling these packages?



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User currently offlineilanbwoy From Jamaica, joined Feb 2009, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11627 times:

When is the 2nd plane coming for oj? With all the plans for expansion ex Geo and the upcoming yyz flights...1 plane is not going to cut it. Anybody have any info?

User currently offlinespeedbird2263 From Jamaica, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11607 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 121):

Interesting that they have a Saab 340 with an ad for 757 FO's lol. I'd really love to know too when their 2nd ship is scheduled to arrive. With so many 757's up for grabs soon ( I'm sure FedEx don't need em all), it should be a relatively good market for finding frames.

  
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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11586 times:
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Quoting ilanbwoy (Reply 122):

When is the 2nd plane coming for oj? With all the plans for expansion ex Geo and the upcoming yyz flights...1 plane is not going to cut it. Anybody have any info?
Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 123):
Interesting that they have a Saab 340 with an ad for 757 FO's lol. I'd really love to know too when their 2nd ship is scheduled to arrive. With so many 757's up for grabs soon ( I'm sure FedEx don't need em all), it should be a relatively good market for finding frames.

The last I heard, it will be in time for them to launch GEO and YYZ by the end of the month..



DOTS STATS DEC 2012

BW

FLL-KIN
9702-9389 97%

KIN-FLL
14014-7269 52%

JFK-KIN
10626-10599 99%

KIN-JFK
10626-7318 69%

KIN-MCO
1232-979 79%

MCO-KIN
1232-1204 97%

FLL-MBJ
9086-5143 56%

MBJ-FLL
4774-3315 69%

JFK-MBJ
5236-5198 99%

MBJ-JFK
5236-3346 64%

B6

BOS-MBJ
900-821 91%

MBJ-BOS
900-669 74%

FLL-KIN
6200-5419 87%

KIN-FLL
6200-4466 72%

JFK-KIN
7500-6759 90%

KIN-JFK
7350-4797 65%

JFK-MBJ
9300-8021 86%

MBJ-JFK
9300-6702 72%

MCO-MBJ
3100-2673 86%

MBJ-MCO
3100-2250 73%

DL

ATL-MBJ
16832-14786 88%

MBJ-ATL
16832-11867 71%

DTW-MBJ
860-766 89%

MBJ-DTW
869-659 76%

JFK-MBJ
2743-2418 88%

MBJ-JFK
2744-1419 52%

SY

MSP-MBJ
330-304 92%

MBJ-MSP
330-131 40%

US

BOS-MBJ
248-182 73%

MBJ-BOS
248-98 39%

CLT-MBJ
14497-11888 82%

MBJ-CLT
14497-9784 67%

PHL-MBJ
6010-5315 88%

MBJ-PHL
6010-4226 70%

NK

FLL-MBJ
3691-3038 82%

MBJ-FLL
3691-2336 63%

AA

DFW-MBJ
4010-3372 84%

MBJ-DFW
4010-2887 72%

KIN-MIA
14309-10639 74%

MIA-KIN
14300-12598 88%

ORD-MBJ
4600-3960 86%

MBJ-ORD
4600-3654 79%

MBJ-MIA
14480-9609 66%

MIA-MBJ
14490-11333 78%

F9

ORD-MBJ
750-629 84%

MBJ-ORD
750-510 68%

FL

ATL-MBJ
4247-3734 88%

MBJ-ATL
4247-3087 73%

BWI-MBJ
6713-5607 84%

MBJ-BWI
6576-4703 72%

MCO-MBJ
3425-2807 82%

MBJ-MCO
3425-1766 52%

UA

EWR-MBJ
3555-3305 93%

MBJ-EWR
3568-2503 70%

IAD-MBJ
282-240 85%

MBJ-IAD
282-162 57%

IAH-MBJ
2467-2153 87%

MBJ-IAH
24671694 69%

ORD-MBJ
282-272 96%

MBJ-ORD
282-163 58%



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User currently offlineairjamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11471 times:

Quoting hummingbird (