Kcle From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 686 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 966 times:
Well, the time has come. I have been saying this for many a month now, that CO would either make or break CLE-LGW, and it has now come to the lesser of the two. I've said before that the only reason for CLE-LGW was because of BP gasoline. Now that they are gone, the flight wasn't doing good, now with the recent horrible disaster and the rapid decline in air travel, it has suffered the final blow. Cleveland is now a minimal International airport once again, with the only International flights being to Canada, a country only served by Continental Express from CLE.
Big777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 952 times:
Why can't CO wait until US congressmen will talk to all airlines executives next week? Please don't be silly action too soon! Keep operating. Wait and see if Monday stocks are going up and so keep business stable. Please God help us. Hope CO is doing okay!
Kcle From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 686 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 919 times:
Co/ba, you said CLE-LGW flt 18 will become 757, well, the original flight was 66, and it always was 757, never any widebodies here from CO. I looked through their schedule, and there are no more direct flights from CLE to LGW, so CLE is now CO's narrow-body playground. It's basically a hub where all the flights wind up at the same contiguous 48 states, or however many states CO serves, that their EWR and IAH hubs have.
Something to ponder, if CO pulls out of CLE, that's almost one whole concourse left empty. Maybe we could get jetBlue and AirTran here then.
Co/ba From United States of America, joined May 2001, 399 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 911 times:
flt 18 is EWR to LGW with 767 which is being downgraded I was aware that 66 was CLE to LGW. What I org was trying to say was that along with the cancelation of flt 66 flt 18 will downgrade equip. sorry about any confusion
BNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3156 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 845 times:
I really can't see the CLE hub being totally wiped out. I think it would need to be handy if any of the New York airports get shut down for any reason in the future.
The Gordon Bethune press conference even made it onto Australian TV news tonight.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 827 times:
The CLE hub will not be totally dismantled. Economics, strangly enough, will dictate that. Even though CO is laying off 12000 employees, they won't all come from CLE, since it will be done by seniority. If you did completely reduce CLE to flights to EWR, IAH, and maybe a few other cities, CO would have to relocate a ton of more senior agents to other stations-the one's that wouldn't be furloughed. There are 4100 employees in CLE, so that's nearly impossible.
I think CLE-LGW, like the furloughs, it temporarily gone. CO has seen that the flight does very well in the peak times of year-better than they expected. But with cutbacks in feeder traffic, it's obvious the route needs to be shelved until economic conditions get better. CO will ask to keep that route, and the US government, and probably the British government, will let them keep the rights to the route.
I had a friend tell me she's heard that CO will go down to like 30 mainline and 100 COEX flights aday. That's a cutback of almost 150 flights a day. Personally, I don't think it will be quite that drastic, but there will be deep cuts.
I also think you'll see the MD-80s and DC-10's retired early, along with a bunch of Turboprops. I think they might furlough the remainder of the aircraft orders they have for a while, with the possible excpetion being the ERJ-145xr, which they start getting next year.
777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 20 Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 784 times:
Please be aware that 90% of these cutbacks, layoffs, and downgrades are going to be temporary. I am positive CLE-LGW will be back on our route map as soon as the dust settles on this and people begin to return to air travel en masse. We worked long and hard for the rights to operate this route, and it will be reinstated.
CODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2166 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 780 times:
To begin, I would like to say I am thoroughly shocked by the events of Tuesday's terrorist attacks, and express my deepest condolences to anyone who has lost their life in the attack or in the process of rescuing survivors.
Now, we all know that the NYSE will reopen Monday morning at 9:30EST. Some analysts are predicting Doomsday, with everyone and their brother unloading their worth in a worldwide freefall of stock prices. This must not be allowed to occur.
My request to all on the forum is not to sell anything and everything, but instead to go out on Monday and buy a share or two of any company, whatever your financial constraints may allow. This will keep prices at least from taking a nosedive, and will show the true American spirit, and prove the faceless terrorists wrong once again.