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A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 10  
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2929 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 66416 times:

The previous thread became quite long so part 10 is being created in order to make it easier for members. The previous thread can be found here A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 9 (by iowaman Apr 30 2013 in Civil Aviation) .

All of the opinions stated above are mine and do not represent Airliners.net or my employer unless otherwise stated.
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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14574 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 66471 times:

Ponchos site has the June 13 as a good date for MSN002 FAL spotting.

Ponchos site, is that an area in TLS? I'm afraid I don't understand you ferpe.

And "spotting" means a movement I guess, going from station 40 to 30 on June 13?

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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 66478 times:

Ponchos site is here http://avia.superforum.fr/ and it had a little bird singing 13 June for MSN002 today  Wow!

Non French in France
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14574 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 66372 times:

Oh, you mean aviaponcho's website  
So with that, lets speculate wild for a while:

MSN001 flies mid June

MSN003 flies mid July

MSN002 flies mid October

July is too soon for MSN003 I think, August is more likely. In one of the earlier thread we calculated that MSN003 should roll out from station 30 during the Bourget airshow. But you need to add at least another month for ground tests, painting and engine attachment.

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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5263 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 65974 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
July is too soon for MSN003 I think, August is more likely.

I tend to agree with that. August would still be good enough I guess. But to keep up with the planned flight test schedule it should be ready by that time to enter that test program.

User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1593 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 65534 times:

A new angle of MSN001 from the A350XWB blog.


The proportions are just right in my opinion.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7099 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 65290 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 5):
The proportions are just right in my opinion.

Not least from that angle. It looks almost perfect. (Stupid thing to say, I know, but it's going to be an absolute delight seeing these things at airports from next year!)

User currently offlineAF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 65158 times:

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 5):
A new angle of MSN001 from the A350XWB blog.

What a beautiful bird!! Can't wait to see it flying

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14574 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 64883 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 2):
Ponchos site is here http://avia.superforum.fr/ and it had a little bird singing 13 June for MSN002 today

Thanks, I now found the thread. I don't speak any French so I put it through Google Translate:

Arrival of MSN 2 Fal for June 13

Isn't that a bit late? I expected MSN2 to be in FAL now.

The whole translation gives me:

Arrival of MSN 2 Fal for June 13 will be the first version with commercial and A350 800 that this will ever but soon boot tray for the A350 in 1000

Google Translate messed this up but I have no idea what he means with the -800 and -1000?

The little bird also confirms first flight for June 11.

[Edited 2013-05-16 01:07:15]

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User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 64887 times:

Beautiful from afar (350.blogspot)

"The first start of the jet's twin engines, produced by Rolls-Royce Holdings PLC (RYCEY, RR.LN), could come as early as Friday, said the people familiar with the process."


User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 673 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 64686 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 8):

Ask me for translation 

User currently onlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 862 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 64669 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 10):
Ask me for translation

Dear Aviaponcho,

Can you please translate?



A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 673 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 64596 times:

It's done over there


[Edited 2013-05-16 02:28:59]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14574 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 64558 times:

Thanks for the translation.

Smart move for Airbus to put the A350-1000 before the A350-800 IMO    This could EIS the -1000 in 2016, 3 to 4 years before the 777X EIS  scratchchin 

[Edited 2013-05-16 02:11:12]

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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 673 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 64516 times:

KarelXWB, indeed without accelerating A350-1000 scheduled it frees slots for more and earlier -1000 slots

User currently offlinePugman211 From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 64390 times:
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It would make sense to produce the A35J next, but I suppose it depends on where they are upto on the program. Would the A35J sections fit inside the current Beluga?

User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 673 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 64395 times:

Pugman, it should ! next Beluga is for late in this decade

User currently offlinePugman211 From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 64266 times:
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I thought it would, and I hope they do make it the next variant.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14574 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 64226 times:

@Pugman211 any news on wing transport? Will we see another set of wings being transported to Bremen later this month?

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User currently offlinePugman211 From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 63874 times:
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I would imagine so, MSN 004 (both wings) had the L/E painted beginning of May, but I believe that the wings required some additional work before they are sent to Bremen. Will try to get an update.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14574 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 63826 times:


Quoting Pugman211 (Reply 19):
MSN 004 (both wings) had the L/E painted beginning of May

This also confirms my suspicion that the wings of last month were for the EF2 section.

Thus, MSN4 should enter FAL by the end of July (or maybe a bit later).

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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 63290 times:

Beochien at Avia forum has found the little brother of MSN001, msn01:


He looks like he is wondering where his big mate went....     

Non French in France
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14574 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 63207 times:

Now that's really cute. A raccoon bastard.

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 32158 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 63168 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
Smart move for Airbus to put the A350-1000 before the A350-800 IMO.   

The only thing pushing back the A350-800 EIS is the reluctance of the current customers for the type to take delivery, so I wonder if Qatar and the others have told Airbus they don't want it in 2016?

User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3164 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 62989 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
The only thing pushing back the A350-800 EIS is the reluctance of the current customers for the type to take delivery, so I wonder if Qatar and the others have told Airbus they don't want it in 2016?

Apologies if I'm misinformed, but didn't Qatar convert its 20 -800s into 3 x -900s and 17 x -1000s ?

The State of Qatar’s national airline, Qatar Airways and Airbus have signed an amendment to convert its existing firm order for twenty (20) A350-800s, forty (40) A350-900s and twenty (20) A350-1000s to forty three (43) A350-900s and thirty seven (37) A350-1000s. Qatar Airways’ total order for A350 XWB aircraft remains at eighty (80) aircraft.


So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
25 PM : Qatar don't want it at all. Ever. In fact, they say it's been cancelled.
26 KarelXWB : I believe only 2 customers were/are scheduled to take delivery of the -800 in 2016 and it is reasonable to think they found a way to put the delivery
27 BoeingVista : Airbus are going to need to run this by RR first as the TXWB-97 is not scheduled for first flight until 2016, I'm sure this can be pushed up but the
28 KarelXWB : That is true. Same story for the main landing gear.
29 CCA : Any ideas for a time line of rollout of the first dozen A/C and which A/C are for which airline? Something like what 747classic did over on the 747-8
30 KarelXWB : I will work on that soon.
31 Post contains images r2rho : As I said in the previous thread before it was closed, I still think it is very/too tight for the type certificate. Remember that MSN2 will take much
32 Post contains images starbucks : Rumors after rollout were that the APU could run as early as Wednesday (Yesterday) Nothing has been confirmed, but it could be that is ran already
33 frigatebird : I'm not so sure it will be that easy. Original EIS of the -1000 was rather optimistic IMO (end of 2015), and after Airbus changed the design to enabl
34 Post contains images transaeroyyz : In regards to the possible Paris fly bye do you think the Alfa-Max test is off the table....
35 Pugman211 : I'm not 100% certain. All the wings I have seen at the moment seem to be MSN allocated frames. I think, MSN 002 is still at Bremen, whereas MSN 004 i
36 BoeingVista : Yes but the -800 was then scheduled for 2014, ie 1 year after the -900. If the -800 is shuffled backwards 2015 FF for the -1000 should be possible if
37 Post contains images AirlineCritic : I say combine the visit to Paris and the difficult parts of the flight test plan the crowds demand live testing
38 TheRedBaron : To do that you will need a lot of trees.... LOL CANT WAIT... the suspense ... I hope at least I can see the Engine run test and rejected take off....
39 KarelXWB : Hmm but you said: > March 13: The wings of MSN002 were transported to Bremen today by Beluga. I only saw the R/H wing leave, but assume the L/H al
40 Pugman211 : I think where i've been confused is the wings for April 23 could possibly be for MSN 004 (like I said, they required some additional work, but I dont
41 Post contains images KarelXWB : Thanks for the clarification Pugman211. Great! And maybe you can also find out why: > The wings for MSN002 are still in Bremen, why is it taken so
42 Post contains images ferpe : If Pugman is in the painting the wings get fabricated complete in Broughton, then I would guess get painted and then there is part of the wing avioni
43 Post contains images KarelXWB : I see, I first understood the MSN4 wings require work in Broughton than MSN1 so forget my second question [Edited 2013-05-16 10:45:43]
44 Post contains images ferpe : I found it, it is Bigsmile (one of our in the know persons ) who informs us that Broughton actually fits the fuel and hydralics after wing completion
45 tortugamon : Absolutely agree. If you type into google 'site:airliners.net' before what you are searching for it will only search this site. tortugamon
46 Post contains images KarelXWB : Still in line with the other rumors. Be aware this is a "window", it could slip if an issue shows up. Weather conditions could be a b***h sometimes T
47 Semaex : I just can't resist saying it now: They could have done a better paintjob on the sunglasses. I think it looks strange that they followed the contours
48 thesultanofwing : Getting more excited about this aircraft! Let's throw in a bit of fuel, go taxi and do a few aborted take off's while we're there, strap on some parac
49 KarelXWB : According the little bird, MSN001 will roll out from the C63 hangar on Monday and than the APU will be started for the very first time.
50 starbucks : Could it be that if everything goes well the engines will be started as well (later that day..)
51 KarelXWB : I don't expect an engine run on Monday, it will take a few days to scrutinize all the data from the APU run.
52 Post contains images EPA001 : I could not agree with you more. . 2016 is news to me. But it would be very good news. . They reacted to the wishes/demands the customers will have e
53 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here is an interesting quote from Tim Clark (EK): Factbox: Countdown to A350 first flight
54 Post contains images ferpe : Yet another evidence our threads are being read: https://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/336941802840002560/photo/1 (I don't think the found the animal w
55 knoxibus : Seems the MSN 001 is visible from the TLS airport side. It is located at the long range Morvan flight test preparation line, and I could see fuel pump
56 Aviaponcho : Thank you On his way to bikini ?
57 ferpe : Fuel in the wings and flight test center preparation line sounds like engine tests to me
58 KarelXWB : How would Airbus turn on the APU for the first time, with ground power or internal power (fuel) ?
59 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : I believe this is the area where MSN001 currently is parked:
60 Tristarsteve : Both. You must have ground power on to see what is happening. Previous Airbus designs use ground power through a TRU to provide most of the muscle fo
61 KarelXWB : Thanks. That means there was probably no APU run last Monday?
62 ferpe : The indication on Avia forum was there should be APU runs this Monday, ie 2 days ago. An APU run does not take a lot of fuel, I imagine one can fuel
63 Aviaponcho : Ferpe, not sure for APU run indoor (C63...).
64 Post contains images airmagnac : The APU has probably been extensively tested on its own, so the purpose of the APU runs would probably be to check the interactions of APU and fuel s
65 Post contains images ferpe : Thanks for a good post, I did mean fuel and run the tests sequentially but if I would have been more clear this nice post would not have been made, g
66 airmagnac : haha, I should have read more carefully ! Still, the point is, before you start a test you want to be sure of the exact status the aircraft is in. Tha
67 Unflug : Could you explain this to my software developers, please? Just joking, but testing really is an art in itself. If you do it wrong you can loose an in
68 Post contains images airmagnac : Sorry, it's already hard enough explaining it to mine ! But I can't blame anyone, I myself learned the hard way what you say :
69 BoeingVista : The FTB is getting a good workout for some reason, F-WWOW is up now and has been up 4 times in a week. According to Flightradar24 AIB51OW seen @ 2013-
70 Post contains images jollo : Not really: testing is a discipline, and asks for a disciplined approach. The "artistic" 5% is best left last. Agreed 100% . Alas, in the software in
71 BoeingVista : Well they lost the plot with the A400M engine software and had to start again adding about a year to the program so its not all good news in the Avia
72 Post contains images airmagnac : It is, but I think the aviation manufacturing industry has the benefit of its history. Once upon a time there was almost only one way to test an airp
73 rcair1 : So I'm not the only one who thinks of a Racoon when I see it. Not bad - Racoons are cute. I had a pet one named Rachel when I was a kid (true story).
74 Post contains images ferpe : I don't think you are alone, wonder how many at Airbus who has put up a picture of this cute animal on their cupboard
75 cmf : Even harder to explain why you didn't test and now need to go back to go... Honestly, I have no idea where you guys work because every company I work
76 rcair1 : If the 350 is as clever as Rachel was - it'll be a great plane (and fun to watch too).
77 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : From the A350 blog:
78 Post contains links jollo : Agreed but IIRC in A400M's case it wasn't specifically a test (or lack thereof) issue: they used the wrong development environment and design process
79 r2rho : Nice post and fully correct. That's why when people ask here about engine runs, I say wait to see an APU run first. And before an APU run you'll have
80 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Sneaky Airbus has added photos of the paint process on their gallery but not on the first page. See http://www.airbus.com/galleries/photo-gallery/ for
81 affirmative : it's been very quiet the last couple of days.. No news on APU run or engine run? Things need to come together if we're gonna see her in the skies over
82 Post contains images AirlineCritic : Amazing picture! Hoping that there'll be an on-air version of this picture some day!
83 Post contains links ferpe : I think we can assume that the APU tests are being run from the present place (Morvan apron), look in the test schedule factbox from Reuters that Kar
84 Post contains images Aviaponcho : Ferpe, some of your questions have for sure answers... in french
85 Post contains images KarelXWB : Thanks
86 starbucks : Soooo, anyone wants to share those French words?? (A) :P
87 Post contains images Aviaponcho : Sorry it's done I haven't tested google translate but I usually go on russian sites with it ... sometimes it's funny ... but It can helpful !
88 Post contains images affirmative : Thanks aviaponcho.. I speak french too and did manage to decode what you were actually hinting to.. //A-firm
89 Post contains images starbucks : Found it now as well Thanks for the translation I'll try to decode the rest :P
90 Post contains images travelavnut : Guys c'mon!! Can you please post what you found!
91 KarelXWB : The APU run has been completed. Now the next step is the engine run, those RR XWB engines on MSN001 will be started for the very first time and I hope
92 Aviaponcho : Karel, where's your link for the engines tests ?
93 Post contains links KarelXWB : You can find the interview here: http://www.aeronewstv.com/en/article...24-a350-first-flight-imminent.html Very interesting information!
94 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : His big mate is in jail http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/338751066789257217
95 Post contains images starbucks : Nah, his big mate is still on the run... Hopefully engine-run soon! :P
96 Post contains images ferpe : best yet
97 Aviaponcho : I think I didn't catch the pun with "hell raisin " Can someone explain ?
98 Post contains images BoeingVista : Exactly, we are expecting him to take flight soon Making trouble - Raising hell
99 Post contains images Aviaponcho : All right Raisin is grape in french, so I was a bit confused
100 tortugamon : Hilarious stuff guys. I like it. Thanks for sharing all of the information. Cannot wait for first flight. tortugamon
101 Post contains images Aviaponcho : Then il will be time for some good "raison" based beverages with some tiny tniy bubbles ... (not the huge subprime bubble I mean ) For sure I can also
102 Post contains images tortugamon : Ok, now you are just looking for un raison a boire rather than a raison d'être . tortugamon
103 Post contains images EPA001 : Indeed. Thanks for posting. So far everything seems to go quite smoothly. A fly-by during the Paris Air Show is still very much a possibility.
104 Post contains links KarelXWB : About the recent overweight discussion, here is Aspire Aviation again with its 3 tonnes overweight claim:
105 Post contains links Aviaponcho : Hello folks Some news of MSN5000 http://avia.superforum.fr/t1358p440-airbus-a350xwb#37482 Have a nice day
106 KarelXWB : Wing load test completed at 115 or 125% ?
107 Post contains links ferpe : This should then be OK for the first flight tests. I don't think there is any hard limits for the flight tests, here what Tom wrote when we had the s
108 ferpe : 125% apperently, should be enough for flying the aircrafts full envelope in flight test. Now A can thread to ultimate load (150%) ever so cautiously.
109 Post contains images KarelXWB : I believe Bombardier also said that 125% is enough for a first flight. At least you know for sure that the wing will not break after takeoff 150% can
110 Post contains images ferpe : Well it should not . Actually the test director said the first flight is one of the easiest for the tests, there is almost no load factors taken and
111 KarelXWB : So when do you hit 150% load? When you nose dive the airplane?
112 ferpe : You don't in an Aibus as long as the FBW is in normal or one of the degraded modes with flight envelope protection still active (can remember all but
113 Aviaponcho : On the 787 I read that it's 150% for 3 seconds.
114 Post contains links Stitch : Aspire's claim of an MWE of 118.7t for MSN 001 would track with statements from Airbus. In June 2008, Airbus noted target MWE for the A350-900 had ri
115 Aviaponcho : Stitch do you have any link for the june 2008 MWE ? Thanks
116 Post contains links Stitch : Here you go The actual figure was 115.7 tons (113.5 + 2.2), so that puts Aspire's 118.7t figure for MSN 001 on target based on Mr. McDonnell's subsequ
117 Aviaponcho : Thanks I got this one But for the 114.2 t MWE ?
118 Stitch : I'd rounded up 113.5t to 114t then added the 2.2t to get 116.2 tons. The specific figures were a target MWE of 113.5 tons, with that increasing by 2.
119 Post contains images Aviaponcho : All right I've got +2.2 t corresponding with +3 t MTOW +2.3 t acknowlegded in PAS2011 And I don't round up So far for me no real weight problem Everyo
120 Post contains links Stitch : Some of that OEW growth was driven by airline requirements, who still wanted the original range, just now with higher payload weights as they moved f
121 Post contains images abba : Sure, landings are one of the most critical phases of flight. Better not run an unnecessary risk early on in the flight test program. Avoid landing a
122 swallow : How does the 359 MWE of 118t compare with that for the 333 and 343, which it replaces?
123 Aviaponcho : A330-300 is 109 t, really light indeed (probably lighter than the smaller 787-9). But the A330-300 is a 300PAX (36+264) 2 class bird whereas the A350-
124 Post contains links KarelXWB : All right, I was more thinking of a "shit hits the fan" situation. This is one for the bookmarks: http://www.airbusdriver.net/airbus_fltlaws.htm
125 Ruscoe : I'm curious to know if Airbus are still doing away with the Li ion battery, considering that Boeing have found a solution, and also it must complicate
126 KarelXWB : Swapping should be relatively easy because Airbus developed their plan B already in 2011. Boxing the battery is not the problem, the li-ion battery pu
127 EPA001 : Boeing did not find any solution imho. By using a containment construction for smaller battery cells, and with some additional measures they have min
128 tortugamon : I have read that they have added space between the cells, controlled the range and rate of charge, but this is the first that I have heard that the b
129 NAV20 : I think that's right, tortugamon - no change in the battery size. But I believe that they have fitted insulation between the battery cells (previousl
130 tortugamon : I have no info to say anything different but I know that It certainly did not help the thermal runaway dynamics. tortugamon
131 knoxibus : In order to stay on topic, just to let you know that MSN 001 has just entered the weighting hall next to the Final Assembly Line. hopefully some spott
132 Post contains images Aviaponcho : maybe some spotters can snap a shot of the weighting device screen Thanks
133 Post contains links rheinwaldner : According to the following link, the Version at EIS will not have lithium ion batteries. But for the second version in 2015 or 2016 (?) a switch is a
134 Post contains links and images NAV20 : Apparently Airbus are following the 'ancient' tradition - the A350 is indeed overweight! Only about three tons, though, not nearly as bad as the 787
135 KarelXWB : The weight should be under control from airplane number 17 (MSN17).
136 KarelXWB : I have 4 updates from a little bird. 1) MSN002 FAL start imminent This was reported earlier, Airbus is currently preparing FAL start for MSN002. 2) MS
137 Post contains links ap305 : This is extremely confusing... From what I can make of this article, http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-for-main-structural-tests-365076/ , Ef2
138 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : EF2 will also have wings attached, see here: Ultimate wing load will be done on MSN5000 but it seems like the destruction will be done on EF2, likely
139 Post contains images ap305 : After looking at that article again, perhaps its just me getting confused . There must be a separate static airframe (i.e msn 5000) and this fatigue
140 Post contains images ap305 : Thanks... the fog is clearing a bit now
141 overcast : I think it goes like this: EF1-3 are parts for Fatigue testing EW is Static and Fatigue for the Wing, most likely focusing on the flaps( remember thes
142 KarelXWB : Correct but ultimate load test is not the same as destruction?
143 Stitch : Assuming Airbus uses the same terminology as Boeing, "Limit Load" would be the maximum load the wings should ever be subjected to in flight and this
144 overcast : Correct, but I'd imagine you'd only go to Ultimate on a complete airframe, then carry on to destruction on the same frame to see how close your predi
145 Post contains links and images Bogi : Published today by bloga350. Is this MSN 3?
146 Post contains images EPA001 : Very nice! Those wing-lets.......... .
147 ferpe : Can't be, MSN003 does not have engines, it is MSN001 going to painting.
148 Post contains links and images ferpe : Ponchos bird has been active again, here what his last post in the Avia forum is giving us: http://avia.superforum.fr/t1358p480-airbus-a350xwb#37751 "
149 Post contains images NAV20 : Possibly even more positive than you suggest, ferpe. As far as I know 'desormais' best translates into English as 'henceforward' or 'from now on.'! B
150 WingedMigrator : Vmu (minimum unstick, where the tail is dragged on the runway) will come later in the test program, and will most likely be performed at Istres near
151 KarelXWB : Nope, only 2 to 3 taxi tests are required. > Engine tests will last 10 days > 2 or 3 taxi tests are required before takeoff (low and high speed
152 NAV20 : And it's the first of June........... Still looks 'lineball' whether Airbus can achieve a 'fly-by' over the Paris Show. Odd really - anyone who knows
153 affirmative : With the current timeframe a direct link to Toulouse for the first flight during the show seems more likely than a flyby. But I'm still keeping my hop
154 Post contains images KarelXWB : In theory, taxi tests can be done in 1 day. So engine tests until June 11, taxi tests on June 12 and first flight on June 13
155 Post contains links and images ferpe : Flight has seen our posts and verified it with Airbus Here the link http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...nsfers-to-flight-test-team-386563/
156 KarelXWB : Ostrower tweets: MSN001 is outside, next to A380 MSN001.
157 Post contains images KarelXWB : We have engine run!
158 Post contains links and images KarelXWB :
159 Post contains images starbucks : Looks like they didn't use the APU bleed air... 2 High pressure air hoses from a ground airstarter are visible
160 KarelXWB : Speaking about the APU, the APU doors are open.
161 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Picture from the other side: Both engines are running.
162 flood : Great news, maybe they'll release some video later as well. Loving those wings!
163 Post contains images BoeingVista : Very good news a few additional thing though 1) Ponchos man was bang on with engine start on a Sunday, which is a bit of an unusual day to do this ty
164 KarelXWB : Airbus is working 24/24 and 7/7 on the A350 since a very long time.[Edited 2013-06-02 07:09:39]
165 Post contains images starbucks : 7 days I believe, but I remember reading about people working 13/14 hour shifts to get MSN001 ready, so it doesn't seem that Airbus has a full 24 hou
166 Post contains images NAV20 : The advertising guys are probably working 20 hours a day, BoeingVista............. The 'deadline' is indeed to get the A350 'on the map' in the avail
167 Post contains images EPA001 : Fantastic news! . And officially conformed as well! They are not waisting any time with the program. They must have been seeing how fast they are mak
168 BoeingVista : Yup, getting flying before or during the PAS will get the attention of the assembled aviation journalists, they will happily stand around to be brief
169 Post contains images ferpe : And she is indeed standing besides a A380 (XWB testbed) on the flightline like Jon Ostrower tweeted before. Even though she smokes a bit one must says
170 Post contains links and images ferpe : For location geeks like me some more info from AVIA and Aero Web forums: The engine runs today was preceded by the APU run (also first time) in front
171 mariner : I don't understand this obsession with the Paris Air Show. I understand that spotters are excited and want to see it, but surely the fact that it fli
172 Post contains images ferpe : There are many infos on french forums (and it has been pointed out here by Poncho) that MSN001 might not have clearance to fly over congested areas s
173 Stitch : It's all about Public Relations, IMO. Certainly no airline will buy it just because it flew at Paris (the 747-8 is proof enough of that), but the wor
174 Bogi : Today or days before? What is the date of this pictures?
175 mariner : Sure, if it does it, fine, no bad thing at all, but there seems to be a quite artificial pressure for it to happen. As you point out with the 748i, i
176 KarelXWB : Correct. And station 20 buildings are on the right hand side of C63. In full production, engines will be attached in here.[Edited 2013-06-02 15:03:40
177 Post contains images ferpe : Today Sunday, not only the flight test deparment works Sundays, the Airbus media team does as well. But with the modern internet buzz all they have t
178 Post contains images KarelXWB : And that is a valid point. I assume it won't do a fly-over. Things can only get better if you set your expectations to 0 Why is it called "bikini"?
179 Bogi : Jeah! Very strong.
180 packsonflight : Airbus does not have to do a flyby at PAS to have A350 presence there. they can simply do press briefings with hopefully positive news of the test pro
181 Post contains links Unflug : Exactly. Which is what they do, in Addition they have a full size cockpit and a cabin mockup: A full life size A350 XWB cockpit and cabin section can
182 Post contains images r2rho : Wow, this was totally unexpected so early... This week I was expecting some APU runs, ground tests, and maybe an engine run end of the week. I wouldn
183 Post contains links and images starbucks : A video in the Airbus Broadcast Room: www.airbus.com/presscentre/pressroom/broadcastroom/ and on http://airbus.advalem.fr/media/prod_video2.php?video=
184 Post contains links and images flood : Thanks!
185 Coronado : Certainly a relaxed looking bunch of ground engineers exuding confidence. Only one taking a picture. One visible under the engine with his foot proppe
186 kanban : Always amazes me when looking at Airbus factory and field shots with people in them that there is a really relaxed safety equipment standard. After ye
187 Post contains images MigPilot : rather a common sense jurisdiction and hence lack of greedy lawyers thing [Edited 2013-06-03 10:48:21]
188 Post contains images travelavnut : The nose is really starting to grow on me, especially in the first photo of your reply. When the first pictures of the unpainted A350 came out I was
189 Post contains images flood : I was a bit concerned myself, but now that she's out there I think she's stunning. My only nitpick is the unpainted bottom rear section of the tail..
190 Tristarsteve : We are just a little slow on the uptake. In our hangar at LHR, you will now be removed if you don't wear safety glassess, or safety shoes, of ear def
191 queb : taxi tests began tonight (Toulouse time)
192 Klaus : Regarding a public flyby, it's not necessarily primarily about the customers or the flying public, but it will likely have some impact on stock prices
193 breiz : By a stretch of imagination, the engine test area is enclosed like an atoll, and noisy experiments are performed there like on the Bikini atoll. "Bik
194 Post contains links starbucks : Found in "That other A350 thread" "They see me rollin', They hatin" xD :P http://www.flickr.com/photos/ramis-photos/8940291615/
195 Post contains images ferpe : Seems they were taxing without ADS-B transponder active (can't find her in the flightradar24 database). Exciting that things are advancing so step in
196 Post contains images starbucks : It was on In the playback on Flightradar24.com "350ER2" is visible at 20:04 UTC Her hexcode is: 38A6FB
197 Post contains images ferpe : Thanks, seems to have been a very short trip. Night shift having some fun before work begins perhaps .
198 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Another wing in Broughton:
199 Post contains images ferpe : The latest from Cape Town where IATA has had it's annual general meeting : Reuters tweet: #Emirates Clark on fine form with reporters at #IATAAGM. A35
200 Post contains images r2rho : Well, Americans do seem a bit more extreme/exaggerated at enforcing safety/security related measures in general In any case what was done here was no
201 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : It's alive
202 Post contains images KarelXWB : MSN001 has arrived at "bikini".
203 Post contains links ferpe : Flightglobal has a bit more on flight test crew and what will happen before first flight, wonder where we are now with this, I would imagine low speed
204 Post contains images ferpe : Latest tweet: VéroniqueGuillermard ‏@vguillermard 1h #PAS 2013 si l' #Airbus A350 vient nous voir, nous avons de la place (Emeryc d'Arcimoles commi
205 breiz : The first flight of the A380 was announced in advance by Airbus in order for the media buzz to work (and incidently for the aficionados to gather). Do
206 A380900 : How long between the A380 first engine run and first flight? Does anybody know?
207 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here, the flight test team: Check out http://www.a350xwb.com/x-tra/magazine-01/ for more information.
208 Post contains images KarelXWB : On the move again.
209 Post contains images KarelXWB : MSN001 accelerated to 50 km/h. Speed: 28 kt (52 km/h, 32 mph). Sounds like a taxi test to me
210 KarelXWB : 60 km/h now. Speed: 34 kt (63 km/h, 39 mph).
211 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : And back at the testing facility. I saw her accelerating to 63 km/h (34 kt, 39 mph) and then the speed dropped to 0 => brake test.
212 Post contains links NAV20 : I'd clean forgotten that, back in 2011, the A380 was 'shown off' at the Paris Show. The venture 'misfired,' though, it taxied too close to an airport
213 Post contains images ferpe : Great stuff , so: - Engine tests done - Low speed taxi done Remains high speed taxi and aborted take-off brake test and then.....
214 KarelXWB : I find it hard to believe they did all the engine tests in 1 or 2 days while Airbus said in an interview it will last 10 days. Maybe they are doing t
215 Post contains images ferpe : Perhaps a small problem with the nose-wheel steering, seems to make her own taxiways
216 Post contains images ferpe : She spent 4 hours at Bikini, you don't test engines at 10% for 4 hours on the ground. Those 10 days of engine test have to be corroborated, I can und
217 Post contains images KarelXWB : All right. The interview was translated to English, maybe they mistranslated it a bit (which would not be the first time). So we're now days away fro
218 Post contains images knoxibus : Today MSN 001 was at Bikini at noon, certainly to push a little further those big engines, and then during the afternoon, it went for a stroll around
219 Post contains images ferpe : Thanks Knoxibus, we are watching
220 zeke : For the A380 I think it was April 9, 2005 for the first engine run, and April 27 for first flight. It seems the A350 is beating the A380 and 777 in e
221 Post contains links starbucks : Interesting link: http://midi-pyrenees.france3.fr/2013...re-le-12-et-le-14-juin-263677.html Me and my rusty French translate it into "Airbus has set a
222 Post contains links Unflug : Crew for first flight has been announced today: http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...es-crew-for-a350-xwb-first-flight/
223 affirmative : ER3 was the last one I saw.. Taxying around Blagnac (literally, if you look at Flightradar24)
224 kanban : having seen the benefits of "exaggerated" safety adherence, such as: snapped drill bits caught in safety glasses, mechanics saved when they slipped o
225 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : And the proof of today: Full credit for the pictures: A380_TLS http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/
226 Post contains links KarelXWB : And here is a video of the taxi test: http://midi-pyrenees.france3.fr/2013...re-le-12-et-le-14-juin-263677.html
227 Pihero : GUYS ! First a translation : "...Airbus plans to fly the 350 next week on June 13th with a possible alternative for the following day June 14th. This
228 Post contains images KarelXWB : Sounds like a Space Shuttle launch
229 Post contains links ferpe : In this video one can see in the middle part the Bikini engine tests from yesterday. A former test leader also gives example of one condition that can
230 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The aft section of MSN002 has arrived in TLS. http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/342280147094876160
231 afriwing : Mmmm .. nice one! .. nice to see her joining the FAL So the sat/com bubble is still there? (and quite a big one too) .. I thought by now air-framers
232 KarelXWB : Yes, that's the WiFi antenna, completely installed in pre-FAL.
233 Post contains images sturmovik : She looks lovely in these pictures, thanks for sharing mate! Can't wait for the first flight..
234 TheRedBaron : Never been this excited since the A380 !!! I was when the 787 but after so many delays and no shows, I grew tired, and then saw the video after the fa
235 ferpe : Just so no one believes one need such a big antenna for Wifi, this is the radome for the satellite based broadband system that provides the fuselage
236 Aesma : MSN001 has a bump under the tail, I'm guessing a tail skid, will it be standard on the production airframes or only for testing purposes ?
237 motorhussy : Probably full of guages for measuring the impact of and storing data for tail strike.
238 ferpe : It is red i.e. = part of flight test equipment, therefore will not be present on EIS aircraft.
239 Post contains images PM : Seems to have some trouble following the taxiways! No doubt she'll get better with practice.
240 Post contains links BoeingVista : As comparisons keep being drawn between the A30 and A380 test campaigns try this link to a 71 page Airbus produced pdf that goes into great detail abo
241 Post contains images ferpe : I looked through it, here my take: - the stuff that needs to be covered for the 350 is fundamentally similar and therefore described in the slideset.
242 BoeingVista : I know people who work in CFD and F1, they will tell you that yes, modern CFD and wind tunnels are good but you still discover stuff full scale, at t
243 KarelXWB : Yes I know the difference but I thought there would only be WiFi onboard. I did not have the impression that the antenna was that big. I hope the cab
244 Post contains images speedbird128 : Fab pictures thank you! Sure, but where would the on-board WiFi get its data from?
245 Post contains links ferpe : There are good write-ups about connectivity to airplanes, the first try was Boeing's Connexion which was a bit early, the most successful concept rig
246 speedbird128 : Hi Ferpe! It was a tongue-in-cheek comment, as you can't have WiFi services on-board the plane without an antennae on the outside to transmit/receive
247 vfw614 : Yes, she is one slick plane. Even if she does not do a flypast at Le Bourget, with the first flight shortly before the Salon she will be the talk of
248 Post contains links Pihero : For those who haven't followed these threads since the beginning, there is now an Airbus site for the A350. Nice articles on glossy, HD pics and video
249 Revelation : Glad to see again that Fernando Alonso will be on board! Seems he will be going faster than his more famous name sake.
250 ferpe : No need to be corrected as this is how it is and also what I wrote about. The phased array antenna I write about is the one under the radome on the o
251 francoflier : Hmm... How about this: A very large screen at the Airbus stand in Le Bourget, with a special live broadcast of the first flight from TLS. If the timi
252 Post contains images zkojq : They could time it to be occurring simultaneously to the 787's flying display. That would truly 'steal the show'. I assume that the organisers of the
253 BoeingVista : Please tell me that Pirelli are not supplying Airbus, I don't want to see the A350 in the pits getting a tyre change after her first lap of Toulouse.
254 Post contains links KarelXWB : Airbus now released the video of the first engine run on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udhW0NteBvU
255 Post contains images speedbird128 : I am pretty aware of the workings of satellite comms - been a growing feature in my world of ATC I was only joking with KarelXWB that there wouldn't
256 Post contains links iowaman : Due to length of this thread, here is A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 11: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 11 (by iowaman Jun 6 2013 in C
257 nomadd22 : I think that article might be a little optimistic. There just isn't that much affordable broadband coverage over wide areas of the Pacific. What ther
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