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Emirates Announces A380 Services To BNE From 02OCT  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8023 times:

Effective 02nd October, EK will upgrade it's DXB - BNE - AKL run to an A380 thus making AKL a triple daily A380 operation. The second BNE flight which is via SIN is a B77W

http://www.ausbt.com.au/emirates-bri...s-airbus-a380-to-brisbane-auckland


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25570 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8014 times:
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Quoting ojas (Thread starter):

Effective 02nd October, EK will upgrade it's DXB - BNE - AKL run to an A380 thus making AKL a triple daily A380 operation.


It's a nice skite for AKL:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/double-decker-plane-goes-triple-ng-140172

"Emirates says Auckland will be the first airport outside the Dubai hub to have three scheduled A380 aircraft on the ground at same time."

 

mariner



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7852 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 1):
It's a nice skite for AKL

Now, do the trans-Tasman flights see a lot of Australian and Kiwi O&D pax, or mostly through pax connecting onwards to Southeast Asia, DXB, and points beyond? If the latter, I wonder if it could be time to consider a nonstop DXB-AKL service. Surely this could be done on the 77L?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25570 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7804 times:
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Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
Now, do the trans-Tasman flights see a lot of Australian and Kiwi O&D pax, or mostly through pax connecting onwards to Southeast Asia, DXB, and points beyond? If the latter, I wonder if it could be time to consider a nonstop DXB-AKL service.

I've just booked a trip on Emirates today - AKL-BNE returning SYD-AKL - for July. Going there was price (a great J fare) and coming back was partly price (good but not great fare) and partly the A380.

There is a considerable amount of Kiwi/Oz - solely trans-Tasman - traffic on Emirates which I assume will only increase with the Qantas alliance.

AKL-DXB? Dunno, but I doubt it. With the present routings, Emirates gets two bites of the cherry. But - who knows?

mariner

[Edited 2013-05-15 22:33:27]


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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3287 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7706 times:

Another headline for this thread would be... EK Announces Third Daily A380 Route to AKL

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):
AKL-DXB? Dunno, but I doubt it.

I doubt it too. Currently they get to fly their planes on another leg when they would otherwise be sitting idle on the tarmacs of BNE, MEL and SYD. This way they get to haul both people and cargo to/from Oz's eastern seaboard (and beyond) to/from New Zealand's largest city, without too much risk and using no extra aircraft.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7344 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7623 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 2):
Now, do the trans-Tasman flights see a lot of Australian and Kiwi O&D pax, or mostly through pax connecting onwards to Southeast Asia, DXB, and points beyond? If the latter, I wonder if it could be time to consider a nonstop DXB-AKL service. Surely this could be done on the 77L?

95% Transtasman, and loads are hit or miss - they do get heavy loads sometimes but both my A380 flights last week had 225 on one and 165 on the other. MEL is the same.


User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

As a Y passenger AKL-DXB direct wouldn't be that appealing, especially if connecting to somewhere else once reaching DXB!

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7344 times:

Good to see BNE get its first scheduled A380 service.

Hopefully this increase in capacity is well received.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12289 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7305 times:
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How will this A380 service affect the QF/EK codeshare agreement on the Tasman in regards to maintaining the current seat numbers? Will this upgrade mean QF can remove a B738 off the route for deployment to say ADL-AKL?

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7344 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7069 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
How will this A380 service affect the QF/EK codeshare agreement on the Tasman in regards to maintaining the current seat numbers? Will this upgrade mean QF can remove a B738 off the route for deployment to say ADL-AKL?

Maybe. One thing is for sure - EK can only have 4 flights a day T-T. If they want any others they'll have to put a stop to one of the flights.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7004 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 9):
Maybe. One thing is for sure - EK can only have 4 flights a day T-T. If they want any others they'll have to put a stop to one of the flights.

Is the SYD-CHC safe in the EK network? It could be operated by smaller aircraft by QF and this will free up another sector if required.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6902 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
How will this A380 service affect the QF/EK codeshare agreement on the Tasman in regards to maintaining the current seat numbers? Will this upgrade mean QF can remove a B738 off the route for deployment to say ADL-AKL?

I'd think if QF could they would pull a 738 off each of BNE/MEL/SYD-AKL with the EK deal and all 3 EK services now on A380s.

With some slightly tighter scheduling I wonder if QF could almost squeeze in an AKL-ADL flight with the current Jet Connect aircraft?! I think they would schedule it to connect to the EK service through ADL.

AKL 1830 ADL 2100
ADL 2215 AKL 0500

I wonder what they will do with this deal if they can't drop flights in terms of rescheduling some flights to give them more even space throughout the day. Currently all SYD/MEL/BNE/-AKL vv have several flights in the morning ex OZ and ex AKL in the evening.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12289 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6785 times:
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Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 11):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):How will this A380 service affect the QF/EK codeshare agreement on the Tasman in regards to maintaining the current seat numbers? Will this upgrade mean QF can remove a B738 off the route for deployment to say ADL-AKL?
I'd think if QF could they would pull a 738 off each of BNE/MEL/SYD-AKL with the EK deal and all 3 EK services now on A380s.

How could QF on SYD/MEL when the codeshare agreement was allowed with the current EK A380 and QF B738 services? The only way possible to free up aircraft for new routes (if the plan was to only maintain the minimum count) would be if EK put a B77W or another A380 on either SYD/BNE-AKL but EK isn't allowed 5+ services currently. The only change since the codeshare was allowed is the A380 on the BNE route so EK/QF are currently expanding beyond what was set as the minimum seating count


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6546 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
How could QF on SYD/MEL when the codeshare agreement was allowed with the current EK A380 and QF B738 services?

I said if they could pull a service I think they would to redeploy capacity, but my understanding is they can't do that. Is this on seats or frequencies? I.e could QF pull 2 738s from SYD-AKL and replace it with 1 larger aircraft i.e A330, 744?


User currently onlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6123 times:

Just how much longer will QANTAS be around? I still believe it did a deal with the devil.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13451 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6029 times:
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Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Effective 02nd October, EK will upgrade it's DXB - BNE - AKL run to an A380 thus making AKL a triple daily A380 operation.

Nice. How are the premium loads BNE-DXB? I assume fairly good as EK's A380s are 'premium heavy.'

Quoting mariner (Reply 1):
"Emirates says Auckland will be the first airport outside the Dubai hub to have three scheduled A380 aircraft on the ground at same time."

Go Kiwi maintenance!    I wonder when LHR will have three scheduled A380s on the ground.   

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):
There is a considerable amount of Kiwi/Oz - solely trans-Tasman - traffic on Emirates which I assume will only increase with the Qantas alliance.

I thought the regulators excluded the trans-tasmanian from the alliance? Or did they just set a minimum seat count?

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 14):

Just how much longer will QANTAS be around? I still believe it did a deal with the devil.

Quite a bit longer thanks to that deal. There is tremendous opportunity for QF at a mid-east hub. I'm looking forward to see what they launch.

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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25570 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5969 times:
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 15):
I thought the regulators excluded the trans-tasmanian from the alliance? Or did they just set a minimum seat count?

The ACCC imposed capacity restrictions on trans-Tasman. Capacity must be maintained at a specified level (with an allowed small variation for force majeure) on the four common Qantas/Emirates routes.

I haven't read it for a while, but I took it to mean that each airline must maintain its individual capacity - that it isn't aggregate or joint capacity - but I could be wrong.

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User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5910 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 13):
I said if they could pull a service I think they would to redeploy capacity, but my understanding is they can't do that. Is this on seats or frequencies? I.e could QF pull 2 738s from SYD-AKL and replace it with 1 larger aircraft i.e A330, 744?

Do think we are ever going to see anything larger than a QF 738 in New Zealand in a long time.

How the heck is AKL going to handle 3x A380s at once when they have two gates?


User currently offlineek433 From New Zealand, joined Mar 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 17):
How the heck is AKL going to handle 3x A380s at once when they have two gates?

I wondered this as well, on the current schedule for October EK406 arrives at 13:45 and EK434 is set to arrive at 14:15, would 30mins be enough time to unload all passengers/cargo etc. and move the aircraft to the remote to the left of the A380 pier? The online timetables still show a 77W operating 434/435 in October so the timings might change...

ek433


User currently offlineekgold From Australia, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

LHR has at least 4 x A380 frames on the ground around 6am. 2 x QF, 1 x EK and 1 x MH

User currently offlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Quoting ekgold (Reply 19):

They mean EK frames. AKL will have 3x EK 380's scheduled on the ground at the same time.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 3):
There is a considerable amount of Kiwi/Oz - solely trans-Tasman - traffic on Emirates which I assume will only increase with the Qantas alliance.

Absolutely, EK do very well picking up a lot of TT local traffic.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 10):
Is the SYD-CHC safe in the EK network?

Well if they were to pull it QF would have to add 360 seats. And I've heard that they uplift a significant amount of cargo on the route.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 15):
Quite a bit longer thanks to that deal. There is tremendous opportunity for QF at a mid-east hub

  

To Goosebayguy, QF is a profitable airline. While we might see some more tweaks to the international network the airline itself isn't going anywhere.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 14):
Just how much longer will QANTAS be around? I still believe it did a deal with the devil.

To be honest the alliance will give both carriers opportunities to expand.

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know

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User currently offlineBenSandilands From Australia, joined Mar 2013, 220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

The Brisbane developments illustrate perfectly what the partnership means.

Qantas expects that by withdrawing from the Brisbane and Perth and any Adelaide involvement in one stop flights to Europe in favour of Emirates codedshares its customers will do as expected, and hop aboard the wholesaling operation that those codeshares will become.

As the ACCC noted in its approval of the deal, there are many alternatives for what are displaced Qantas customers.

Qantas to Europe is now a daily A380 operation to hub Dubai from both Sydney and Melbourne, with each flight continuing to Heathrow.

The rhetoric from Qantas as to what this will mean to its operations has been turned right down as the end of the financial year draws nearer. That reporting period includes three full months of the Emirates partnership and the final few weeks of the Frankfurt service.

The only references to any Qantas expansion under the arrangement are to the possible use of 787-9s to re-open routes to Europe via Dubai after 2016, in the last two years of the five year approval period. Those references did not deal with the bilateral negotiations that would be required or reference the very clear signals from the EU that it is cautious about allowing other carriers to act as proxies for Emirates (a silly political nonsense in my opinion).

On a factual basis there is no evidence that Qantas has anything but vague intentions of using the partnership to expand its activities on the kangaroo routes, including from Australian cities other than Sydney and Melbourne.

The official focus in Qantas and to the financial community has been its reduction of exposure to the perceived risk of the long haul operation by retreating into a partnership where its former customers fly in Emirates jets.

However I don't agree with the view that Qantas may cease to exist although the buy-out plan in 2006 would have made that a distinct risk had that deal proceeded because of the financial consequences for the leveraged buyout in the subsequent GFC.

I do think that it will diminish Qantas and its brand power.

The test of these concerns will be in the BITRE statistics for the first year of its operation, and in the disclosures we can expect in the full year financials in relation to a full quarter operation on the partnership in the financial year to 30 June.


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3344 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 4):
I doubt it too. Currently they get to fly their planes on another leg when they would otherwise be sitting idle on the tarmacs of BNE, MEL and SYD. This way they get to haul both people and cargo to/from Oz's eastern seaboard (and beyond) to/from New Zealand's largest city, without too much risk and using no extra aircraf

Are these TT flights cargo-heavy? When I flew TT on EK a couple of years back, the flights were not particularly full (although admittedly this is purely anecdotal evidence).


25 mariner : I hope no one is expecting any kind of magic bullet. I don't expect the alliance to reach its full potential for at least a year, possibly two. marin
26 RyanairGuru : Sorry Ben, but IMHO this doesn't so much speak to the EK-QF partnership as much as PER's incompetence. I was about to say the same. Looking at the Q4
27 BenSandilands : Point taken. Perth's loss is not just an A380 to Dubai but quite possibly if EK was able to do so within its traffic entitlements an A380 from Perth t
28 Post contains images mariner : We seem to be wondering off topic, but Mr. Joyce has already said that this year will be tough financially, like Virgin Australia, in part because of
29 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I think that this is something that is often forgotten: for all of its faults IIRC QF is the only Western legacy carrier to have investment grade rat
30 BenSandilands : mariner, The sales revenue benefit from the Emirates traffic eventuates will go straight to the P and L accounts once the customer has flown the secto
31 RyanairGuru : On a straight up-down basis then you're right. But I think it will take longer for the dust to settle. There are QF FFs who are not happy with the sw
32 mariner : I will. We (old timers like me) always used to give airlines a year or two for a route to mature, it is only these days that people seem to demand th
33 Post contains images ekgold : Gay tourists should not have a problem. There are more than enough outwardly gay residents in dubai including working for EK to ensure that they will
34 Unclekoru : Again, anecdotal evidence but my recent flights have also been fairly empty (AKL-MEL last week with approx 150 on board). This is one of the reasons
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