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Australian Aviation Thread Part 73  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12170 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 19994 times:
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Welcome to the 73rd edition of the Australian Aviation Threads.

Link to the previous thread Australian Aviation Thread Part 72 (by QF175 Apr 29 2013 in Civil Aviation)

200 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 19963 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 242):
What is the reason for the delay?

Terrible management skills.

The world's biggest international airline has expressed concern that WA is missing out on tourism and business opportunities because infrastructure at Perth Airport is unable to meet demand.

Responding to news that a promised aerobridge complex to accommodate A380 super jumbos is running five months behind, Emirates president Tim Clark said "this is not good news for Perth Airport, Perth and WA and Emirates".

Perth Airport's international terminal has only one boarding aerobridge per plane. The A380 needs at least two, but ideally three.

Emirates will be forced to push back the introduction of its luxurious 517-seat A380 to its Perth route by at least five months because of the delay.

Perth Airport chief executive Brad Geatches promised in July that it would deliver the aerobridge "within 12 months".

An airport spokesman conceded on Friday that the time frame was only an estimate and the gate would not be ready until November next year (2013).

EK413



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5580 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19886 times:

Quoting EK413:
I for one definitely don't feel sorry for PER. The management of PER have them selves to blame for the delay and readiness of the A380 bay. BNE on the other hand from memory had a A380 bay well before QF accepted delivery of their 1st aircraft in September 2008!

Yep, I remember in September 2008 I flew BNE-NAN from Gate 75. IIRC the gate wasn't even "new" as the Emirates lounge (that unloads directly onto the aerobridge) was opened in June.

The beauty of this gate is that while BNE built it for the A380 (and EK single-deck aircraft in the meantime), it could be used for two narrowbody aircraft. My NAN flight left from 75A while a DJ flight to AKL boarded simultaneously through 75B.

Quoting IndianicWorld:
TT may well see a reduction in VA ops, especially on secondary sectors. VA can instead deploy the lower cost base of TT on those sectors

This.

If VA can successfully leverage the TT business then it would allow VA to leave markets such as MEL-OOL, BNE-PPP etc, just as QF did almost a decade ago.

By exploiting VA's lower cost base vs QF and TT's lower cost base vs JQ, using the VA and TT brands on the routes currently served by QF and JQ respectively, then VAH might be onto something.

That said, as Mariner pointed out in the other thread VA's success up front is limited at best. This concerns me (not personally, but from a business perspective) as I wonder what the long term role for VA is, given that they could end up permanently wedged between QF and JQ/TT.



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User currently offlineSYDSpotter From Australia, joined Oct 2012, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19822 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
That said, as Mariner pointed out in the other thread VA's success up front is limited at best. This concerns me (not personally, but from a business perspective) as I wonder what the long term role for VA is, given that they could end up permanently wedged between QF and JQ/TT.

They still have a cost advantage over QF but as VA brings their product/service offering closer to QF, the higher their cost base will become. Although VA will probably always still have a lower cost base due to QF having a lot of legacy staffing contracts which are more costly compared with VA.

What's the next step for VA in terms of their product offering, will they start offering food for domestic economy class passengers like QF? Has VA's international division now reached a limit in terms of growth now that it has got some many Intl partners (DL, SQ, NZ, EY).



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User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19767 times:

I've heard that Qantas is opening an A330 pilot base in Perth (not BNE) to supplement the B737 pilot base that's there already. It will join both Sydney and Melbourne as pilot bases for the Airbus wide body.

VA's cost base will continue to rise as it tries to copy the QF group business plan, adding airlines and infrastructure to boot.

BZF



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5580 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19769 times:

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 4):
I've heard that Qantas is opening an A330 pilot base in Perth (not BNE) to supplement the B737 pilot base that's there already

To be honest PER makes more sense than BNE. Whereas PER gets multiple 330 flights per day to the right hand side (plus SIN), BNE only has HKG on a regular basis at the moment. Sure, I expect SIN to revert to a 330 in the future and 330s are not totally unknown to both PER and DRW from BNE, but these aren't guaranteed frequencies, unlike PER.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19735 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
BEFORE
http://us.airliners.net/photos/photos/7/9/6/1091697.jpg
AFTER
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/1/7/1938715.jpg

EK413



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19720 times:

Perth Airport is an absolute and utter disgrace. There is simply NO excuse for this kind of rubbish management - there hasn't been any news about the A380 gate - something we should have had by 2011 at the latest.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19696 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 7):

A picture is worth a thousand words!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eNT_gac5igY/UMKLkVmw0bI/AAAAAAAALSA/5W7RjidYhKU/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%231.JPG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EvjjWIzCEno/UMKLuUpD2dI/AAAAAAAALSI/sEsULWm9K7E/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%232.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZFOZojQXF3A/UMKMF3dy2pI/AAAAAAAALSY/Wa4SQFuPtxM/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%234.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-91kH2yYa0D0/UMKMm7P_gRI/AAAAAAAALSg/ULs0yxzt6mc/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%235.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zqDCuGPOE40/UMKNTGH16CI/AAAAAAAALSo/SkuACABvAJk/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%236.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KLD2UZYU22Y/UMKN35xO08I/AAAAAAAALS4/n3P5KK9YLjw/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4%252C+2012+%25238.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-q0jy0c-hPEQ/UMKOOk44QzI/AAAAAAAALTA/VF50ug2Vzx4/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%239.JPG

EK413



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User currently offlineSYDSpotter From Australia, joined Oct 2012, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 19661 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):

A picture is worth a thousand words!

Wow, never seen PER like that before. Bit of a parking lot!

I assume those pictures are from very early in the morning, just before the wave of trans-continental hops to MEL/SYD/BNE and the early morning scheduled/chartered flights to the WA mining centres?



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 19648 times:

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 9):
I assume those pictures are from very early in the morning, just before the wave of trans-continental hops to MEL/SYD/BNE and the early morning scheduled/chartered flights to the WA mining centres?

The photos had been taken 5am. All compliments to the source   SSC
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1496636&page=20

EK413



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 19623 times:

I wish the WA government would step in and tell WAC to stop playing games and shape up. It's beyond a joke now. Brad Geatches "promised" an A380 gate to airlines by November - now it looks like we won't have anything until mid-2014.

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25275 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19456 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
That said, as Mariner pointed out in the other thread VA's success up front is limited at best. This concerns me (not personally, but from a business perspective) as I wonder what the long term role for VA is, given that they could end up permanently wedged between QF and JQ/TT.

Just to expand on that, once the protections of the Two Airline policy were removed there has not been shown to be room for two Qantases (Qanti?) - especially with the almost open slather of Asian/ME carriers. Domestic is really the battleground and domestic is ultimately finite.

Ansett was a hell-hole of debt and incompetent management and we know how that turned out - hello and goodbye Air NZ. Compass was a possible way of the alternate future but that was squashed, as East-West had been.

But that alternate future wouldn't go away, it was an unstoppable, bottom-up market force, and the practical answer - to my mind - was a revamped two airline system, Qantas and Virgin Blue. Within that, I believe there was room for Virgin Blue to zoosh up its premium product.

But I think it all stems back to SRB, who has always been fairly schizophrenic. The cheerful battler on the side of "the people" (Branson) warring with the desire for prestige (Sir Richard).

I think his vision is splendid, but even the most filial realisation of it, Virgin Atlantic, has long struggled financially and - possibly - can't survive as a pure stand alone, although it's about the last thing SRB is going to admit.

And I understand Mr. Borghetti's desire to revamp to Virgin Australia to faux Qantas, it's in his airline DNA, his legacy heritage, and may be why he was chosen - to realise SRB's vision. But I'll be interested to see if the market can support it.

I'm sure Virgin Australia can survive in some form and I hope it can thrive. Maybe the present Air NZ model, with its attention to the back end, would be better, or SRB needs to go, or both, but I think the present situation is destructive. I'm a historian and I am very conscious of the lessons of history.

Still, as the song says - maybe this time.

mariner

[Edited 2013-05-16 13:02:27]


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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 19336 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 11):
I wish the WA government would step in and tell WAC to stop playing games and shape up. It's beyond a joke now. Brad Geatches "promised" an A380 gate to airlines by November - now it looks like we won't have anything until mid-2014.

WA Government can't do anything. What is needed is for the Federal Transport Minister to start proceedings to find that the operator of PER has breached its lease obligations. A successful acton would mean the Commonwealth could resume Perth Airport and take over its operations.

The other interesting thing about PER, other than being an absolute disgrace, is that the Future Fund through its acquisition of AIX now has a shareholding of 29.7% in the Airport Operator. So as much as I don't think this should be politicised, I do think the Federal Government should step in, in this particular case, and direct the Future Fund to develop Perth Airport or to buy the rest of the shareholders out under threat that if they don't sell at market value, the Commonwealth will attempt to resume the Airport as per my first para.

Either way, PER needs some serious work doing to it and the work that is currently going on is a drop in the ocean to what should already have happened!


User currently onlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 19234 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 13):
WA Government can't do anything.

Not true!

Although I'll agree that it is unlikely, but the WA Government COULD take over the operator and depending on the WA constitution, it wouldn't have to cost anything. As the land is still owned by the C'wealth it can't resume the land, but it can take over the corporation's WA operations.
The mere threat of this should be enough to galvanise the Feds & everybody else involved into action.

Gemuser



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 19053 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 13):
I do think the Federal Government should step in, in this particular case, and direct the Future Fund to develop Perth Airport

I disagree. Your first paragraph seems to contain the path forward. It would be an interesting test case too for BNE which is resisting paying for the construction of the parallel runway, even though it seems to be a condition of the lease. The problem would be that the Federal government doesn't want to lose face from a failed action.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 14):
Although I'll agree that it is unlikely, but the WA Government COULD take over the operator

Compulsorily acquire it? Interesting idea, but I'd expect if they tried that the feds would try to stop them, but you never know, they could be unable to enact the required legislation.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 18981 times:

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 9):
Wow, never seen PER like that before. Bit of a parking lot!

That was basically the scene every night and morning, with some aircraft being forced to park at the unopened T2. Its a bit better now that skywest and alliance are over at T2.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 18820 times:

Other news, Rydges Sydney Airport Hotel opened last week.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/now-open-rydges-sydney-airport-hotel

http://wmkarchitecture.com/assets/Uploads/_resampled/SetWidth850-Rydges-Sydney-Airport-02.jpg

http://wmkarchitecture.com/assets/Uploads/_resampled/SetWidth850-Rydges-Sydney-Airport-01.jpg

And from the facebook page:



Source: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=460346&page=44

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User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 18717 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 14):
Although I'll agree that it is unlikely, but the WA Government COULD take over the operator and depending on the WA constitution

That would not happen as WA Govt could not acquire Federal Government land.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 18419 times:

Air Niugini will operate a wet leased Icelandair 757 on POM-BNE flights from 20 MAY.3 of the 11 flights a week will be by the 757.The 757 is a temporary replacement for 767 maintenance.TF-FIW is the aircraft .


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User currently onlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 18326 times:

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 18):

That would not happen as WA Govt could not acquire Federal Government land.

I did NOT say or imply that it could, in fact I said it couldn't. What I did say is that it COULD take over the OPERATOR, ie the company. Possibly it could just take the lease off the company. If you operate in a state that state government has vast powers to affect your operations, in that state, with very little restrictions.
They would have to be careful to avoid infringing Sect 92 of the Constitution and the Corporations Act, but it COULD be done. In fact the mere thread could very well achieve what the state government wants.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 18175 times:

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 4):
I've heard that Qantas is opening an A330 pilot base in Perth (not BNE) to supplement the B737 pilot base that's there already. It will join both Sydney and Melbourne as pilot bases for the Airbus wide body.

Yes, it Make's sense for a A330 for the simple fact that it will cut the cost of overnighting A330 Tech Crew in PER as weekday flights east-west on SYD/MEL are A330's, and its cheaper to overnight the crew in the eastern states.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
If VA can successfully leverage the TT business then it would allow VA to leave markets such as MEL-OOL, BNE-PPP etc, just as QF did almost a decade ago.

By exploiting VA's lower cost base vs QF and TT's lower cost base vs JQ, using the VA and TT brands on the routes currently served by QF and JQ respectively, then VAH might be onto something.

Don't underestimate the power of QF, I think you will see QF (QLink) enter back on markets like MEL-OOL now that we have the 5 'new' 717's coming with Business Class and Individual IFE in them..
I think it is the perfect plane to come back on some markets..  



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18114 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 21):
Don't underestimate the power of QF, I think you will see QF (QLink) enter back on markets like MEL-OOL now that we have the 5 'new' 717's coming with Business Class and Individual IFE in them..
I think it is the perfect plane to come back on some markets..

I've already asked the question & I'm only guessing the details have not been released but any idea as to the configuration of the B717's with J/C?

EK413



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User currently offlineBenSandilands From Australia, joined Mar 2013, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18094 times:

Have written up the secrecy and speculation about the 717 layout in another place more than a day ago.

The 'nuclear option' may be used. Whether it can trump the E-190s is uncertain.

But a really interesting and for both carriers critically important contest is going to occur on the Canberra 717 network outlined by Qantas.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5580 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18089 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 21):
Don't underestimate the power of QF

Don't worry I don't  

I'm pretty cynical when it comes to VAH, but it will be interesting to watch what happens



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25 mariner : I had reason to go back and re-read the ACCC approval and there's a thing that puzzles me - Berlin again - mostly because I don't know enough about th
26 RyanairGuru : Notwithstaning any concerns about whether QF could fly to Berlin via Dubai (this has been discussed many, many times as we still haven't got a straig
27 Post contains images mariner : It would be neat, though. mariner
28 qf002 : I'm expecting the J cabin to be a decent size -- 12 seats at 2-2 (I don't see any point at all in going for 1-2 when these planes will be flying such
29 thegeek : But by how much? SYD-PER-SIN rtn requires 3 overnights and SYD-PER rtn 1, PER-SIN rtn 1. Assuming they do it that way of course. I wonder if there's
30 RyanairGuru : I agree 2-1 is an overkill. While the M80s in the USA are noticeably narrower in J than the 6 abreast frames, for 1 hour flights it isn't really a pr
31 mariner : Perhaps that distinction is what I was missing - thanks. mariner
32 qf002 : There was somebody who found one of the 1990s updates and posted it somewhere here (I can't for the life of me find it now though). QF has the right
33 RyanairGuru : I do vaguely remember that now you mention it. In fact wasn't a designated carrier of Australia allowed to fly to FRA, MUC, DUS and HAM, but could de
34 JQflightie : Not been released yet, but id expect around 8-12 Well when the cost of a hotel in SIN is a lot cheaper than the cost of a hotel room in perth..... bu
35 thegeek : Not disputing that point. And particularly if SYD-PER rotations are crewed out of PER instead of SYD. Why? There's A330 qualified crew in PER aren't
36 RyanairGuru : I'm pretty sure that he meant as one slip. Presuming it is longhaul crew operating the flights then it is much shorter than LAX, DFW or DXB! Even if
37 sydscott : Could you imagine the Federal Government allowing, even if it was possible, any State Government to compulsorily acquire or forcefully take a lease s
38 Post contains images RyanairGuru : This is an interesting question. I recognise, and appreciate, the nuanced argument advanced by Gemuser. That said, I would buy tickets to watch this
39 Post contains images mariner : Thanks for that. I wasn't aware of it opening and since I need a hotel at the airport for a night (early am departure ex-SYD) I booked there. The int
40 thegeek : Legal I'm sure, but I'd expect you'd need a couple of extra F/As to allow for rest breaks. I think they might be a she. As far as I am aware, the sta
41 Post contains images EK413 : I was thinking roughly the same B717 = 12J 115Y / 20J 90Y ? Your welcome Mind me asking how much introductory price was for 1 night? I made a dummy b
42 mariner : Sure, I was offered $185, but upgraded myself by a factor of one and got $200. mariner
43 gemuser : Legally, a bit tricky but could be done. Politically? That's another & murkier matter. Simply wrong. Generally they leave it to the C'wealth, but
44 QF744ER : The rumour about QF leasing new build EK birds painted in QF colours has surfaced again, I've heard it twice in the past 3 days from different sources
45 EK413 : That's not bad really when you factor in the convenience of walking to the airport. The Stamford Hotel near the Domestic terminal quote was $230 so i
46 thegeek : I'd only really believe A330s. 787s at the outside.
47 mariner : Before I booked I checked the Mercure ($270) and the Ibis (over $250) for the same date. mariner
48 qf002 : We might very well see that happen over the next couple of years once QF has started rolling the new A330 product out and JQ has their 787s. Until th
49 IndianicWorld : The rumour that QF744ER has heard states new build, and EK don't have any more of them on order. 787's maybe 777 only if its a wet lease but I can't s
50 JQflightie : The operate all the way through to SIN
51 thegeek : In fact, the only orders EK has is for A350, A380 and B777. Something isn't right about this rumour. Wet/damp lease of 777s is possible, I guess.
52 EK413 : Could we have a similar arrangement the likes of VA29 & VA30 operating a EY flight AUH-KUL-AUH during layover time in AUH? But question is which
53 qf002 : I know, but the A330s been part of this rumour before (in fact, they started it) so I think it's worth mentioning them. That's the only way I see thi
54 TN486 : I am not in a position to hear any rumours, however, if leases with A380's materialise, it will confirm my thoughts (suggestion coming from left fiel
55 Post contains links QFVHOQA : JQ has announced that their first 788 will be delivered in September, a month later than originally planned. Qantas gushes over 787 while Boeing works
56 Post contains links sydscott : Um, money. These places are gold mines and we have a Federal Government desperate for money. Taking back an airport and flogging it off again would b
57 qf002 : I agree -- the last paragraph of the release specifies HNL, NRT and HKT as initial routes (and there is no mention of SIN). I also expect JQ to initi
58 JQflightie : When we first got told that JQ were getting 788's (I was still there) they were initially suppose to operate on the Japan Routes as these were big fo
59 ZK-NBT : I had heard SIN some time ago, i'm not sure if this is still the case. I was thinking myself along with others here that AKL-SIN might get dropped.
60 QF744ER : I heard they were going to be initially deployed on domestic routes to build crew hrs, cycles and experience. Why would QF need more A330's they abou
61 Post contains images qf002 : I might be tempted to take advantage of the opportunity if they do. Because those 11 A330s are supposedly replacing 16 existing aircraft and they are
62 QFVHOQA : QF could easily use more A330s but is EK the right place to source them? I recall VA had issues with their hand-me-downs from EK when they first arri
63 sydscott : BNE-SIN is shown as A333 in the forward schedules anyway. As for SYD-NRT, I did a trip in business class for work the week before last along with 3 o
64 SYDSpotter : But I thought EK couldn't get their hands on enough A380's to start off with, same with the 777's I guess. Are there any further European routes that
65 vhebb : QF BNE-SIN-BNE reverts back to daily B744 at the end of May. The A333 was only temporary while a B744 was out of service doing charter work. Thanks
66 sydscott : I was looking at schedules in August and it shows as an A333? Edit - I just checked again and it's 744. There is no way QF can get down to 9 744's wi
67 thegeek : I think it's a bit of a pipe dream that EK would release any of its A380s to QF.
68 EK413 : I believe there's something brewing in the pipeline with EK eager to increase capacity on VIE & add BER to their network the only way I'd see thi
69 RyanairGuru : But not A380s. 777s would be great, but I don't see it. If anything it is going to be A330s (or maybe 40s?). The 330s can either free up the 747s on
70 Post contains images EK413 : A340's would be viable & also require minimal crew training. Or VCV. EK413[Edited 2013-05-21 00:35:57]
71 RyanairGuru : I should be clearer, my two options were... (1) 747 to Asia, A330 to Europe (status quo, QF aircraft doing what they do now, with EK aircraft flying
72 vhebb : Guys I no longer think QF are trying to get down to 9 B744s The plan for 9 B744s was made before the firm order for B789s was xxld, the A380s delayed,
73 EK413 : You beat me to it was being sarcastic with VCV remarks. On a serious note, A330's & A340's would be the only variants EK are keen to offload. The
74 RyanairGuru : IIRC EK still have some 772s and 773s which are (relative) oddballs in their fleet. While the 773 have been done up to 77W standard, IF QF was to go
75 EK413 : What's the average age of the remaining B744's? I was under the impression the remaining frames are 1990's built frames & require heavy maintenan
76 zkokq : Has anyone heard that QF might be keeping the 788's for QF international now? From what I have heard, the EK partnership might be looking at swaying t
77 Post contains links EK413 : I doubt it... “We are investing more than $100 million in infrastructure to support the Dreamliner including training facilities for our pilots and
78 zkokq : True I guess, but stranger things have happened.
79 RyanairGuru : I'm afraid that I don't believe this rumor. Among other things, the cabin furnishings etc are already in place. This means that the Y seats won't hav
80 zkokq : I should clarify, I dont believe what I heard either, but it came from someone who works somewhere with in one of these airlines and kinda hinted at
81 vhebb : Actually the plan is for JQs B788s to have in seat IFE in both classes. I'm assuming it will be a Panasonic system similar to the current QF one.
82 Post contains links tayser : MEL masterplan 2013 draft is out. Out of everything in it - semi-firm dates for 3rd runway 9R/27L - at the latest in operation by 2022. Will be arriva
83 EK413 : I take it this will ensure an easy transition from JQ to QF mainline. How will this work with JQ's low cost model? EK413
84 vhebb : Perhaps the JQ in seat B787 IFE will have a credit card swipe to activate? Some of the newer build JQ A332s have in seat IFE.
85 EK413 : I totally forgot the newer build A332's have in seat IFE. I'm looking forward to seeing the new product offerings on the B787. EK413
86 Post contains links Ben175 : Looks like VH-EBF has headed to BNE for reconfiguration today. I've flown on this bird in JQ colours 2 or 3 times to Honolulu. http://flightaware.com/
87 Post contains images EK413 : Great to see the A332 fleet returning to mainline it's picking up momentum and before we know it JQ will be accepting delivery of their 1st B788 EK41
88 eaglefarm4 : Yes Ben175, and EBE is also still here as well testing it engines out.It has been doing several engine run ups over the past week. Changing the subjec
89 Post contains images JQflightie : So does that mean EBS, EBQ and now EBF... wow we are really getting them back! 1 788 in exchange for 3 A332's I can deal with that
90 vhebb : No I think EBF is just having a check. The first few A332s back to QF will be EBQ, EBR, and EBS as these are the newest and already feature the in sea
91 eaglefarm4 : Apparently EBE did fly out to OOL this am as JQ7991,then up to Japan as a scheduled flight.
92 sydscott : I was just browsing through schedules and saw that there are no flights available on MEL-BKK for the Jetstar service with everything being 1 stop thro
93 Post contains images EK413 : Any idea why the aircraft are spending a lot of time BNE under going engine tests? High five! Finally QF get some decent equipment upgrade. Certainly
94 vhebb : I think we will see VH- EBA/B/C/D being the first to get the new A330 upgrades including the new lie flat biz beds as they leave the JQ fleet.[Edited
95 EK413 : Hopefully QF have a solution regarding the light weight floors on these birds. Any idea as to the design of the seats? EK413
96 ThomasCook : I am led to believe that Airbus have never offered lightweight floor beams as an option. ThomasCook
97 EK413 : The 1st 4 x A332's -EBA, B, C, & D delivered NEW to QF have the lighter flooring option. EK413
98 vhebb : I have also been led to believe that the light floor "rumour" is not true? Anyway QF have already announced that ALL A330s will be fitted with lie fla
99 EK413 : Hopefully I'm wrong and your predictions are correct as I'll love to see a consistant product across the A330 fleet opposed to having 4 x odd balls w
100 Post contains links vhebb : According to the announcement all A330s both the 300 and 200 versions will feature the same upgraded cabin product: http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/m
101 thegeek : I've read that, but the end result is the same - reconfiguration to a normal J class is not cost effective.
102 EK413 : I was aware of that, however I was just curious how they would accomplish this with lighter floors. Cheers. EK413
103 CXfirst : Hi, today I saw an Alliance aircraft in their hanger at PER with a slightly different livery that what I've seen previously. It was the same tail, but
104 qf002 : Light floors aren't an issue because they don't exist.
105 Post contains images EK413 : Thanks for the details always good to clarify. Now bring on the A330 reconfiguration program! Any indications as to what the new configure might look
106 mariner : I don't always keep track of fleet issues as much as others here and I was missing-in-action for some of the acquisition of the A330's. However, I se
107 eaglefarm4 : The 2 Alliance Fokker 70's from Air Panama have kept their thick cheat line with the red part of the cheat line changed to blue. The 2nd one is now o
108 thegeek : Some of the most recent JQ frames have the 238t MTOW. At least the first six have the 233t MTOW. I don't think there are any A332s in QF's fleet abov
109 CXfirst : That would be it. Thanks. I wish Alliance changed their entire fleet to that livery, looked quite a bit better in my opinion! -CXfirst
110 Post contains links zkojq : Does anyone know what the future is for VH-VBY? The caption on the following photo indicates that she has ended her service. In the past, Virgin Blue
111 TruemanQLD : Also, why did they repaint it ahead of so many of the B738 when they were only going to get rid of it?
112 vhebb : Ex JQ now QF A332 VH-EBS has now returned from repainting in MNL and will enter QF domestic service shortly. QF B763 VH-ZXF will be retired from servi
113 Post contains links CXfirst : A few have gone to SAS as well, however, for VH-VBY, I think the photographer has got it wrong. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVBY It's still f
114 qf002 : QF is being so cruel making us wait so long! The first aircraft won't be flying for another 18 months and all we know thus far is 'lie-flat' in J...
115 EK413 : I agree, that's why I believe the NEW flat beds have been redesigned to be fitted across the entire A330 fleet. Qantas has been tight lipped regardin
116 JQflightie : the options are still being looked at... its going to make QF have the best on-board experience for a domestic airline anywhere in the world, Combini
117 RyanairGuru : Excuse my ignorance, but is there any reason that the new service is only being offered one way? As I understand it, it's available on flights toPER,
118 Post contains images EK413 : The NEW East-West service will be offered in both directions. T minus 3 days to launch EK413
119 tim : VH-EBS was in Perth today.
120 alangirvan : Will it be better than the new American Airlines A321 service with Suites and 102 seats altogether? If Qantas gets A321s for its mainline fleet that
121 Ben175 : My opinion is the A330 fleet should be split into a domestic and international sub-fleet. The international sub-fleet should operate the exact same J
122 EK413 : Considering the product won't be fitted until the end of 2014 I am led to believe it will have the wow factor & far more superior than VA. I disa
123 Post contains links EK413 : I've been monitoring SYD arrivals / departures & came across a QF A380 ferry flight QF6007 VH-OQJ. Any indication why an A380 would ferry MEL to S
124 JQflightie : no its both ways! No, the skybed really needs to go, its product is nearly coming up to 12years old by the time the first newly config'd A330 comes o
125 JQflightie : [quote=alangirvan,reply=120]Will it be better than the new American Airlines A321 service with Suites and 102 seats altogether? If Qantas gets A321s f
126 RyanairGuru : Well, I expect Y to be the same. After all, Y is Y. The AA frames will have AVOD, and USB and power at every seat. I'm not sure that QF would go down
127 zkokq : She was supposed to be removed from service after that photo was taken, but operational requirements changed due to a 737-800 maintaince issue, so sh
128 Post contains images zkokq : I have just found out that the sale for VH-VBY has fallen through, she will remain with VA!
129 RyanairGuru : Who was she supposed to go to?
130 Post contains images JQflightie : lol that would just confuse us crew way too much!
131 thegeek : Are VA getting rid of all their 737-700s?
132 alangirvan : I think it is FOUR classes, is it not? Suites and First, and Premium and 30 Tourist seats. This will be a Shuttle service, high frequency coast to co
133 RyanairGuru : Not really "premium" though. It is the American concept of "Premium Economy" which is simply more legroom. You get 5 inches more legroom, but the sam
134 Post contains images EK413 : It seems my post went unnoticed EK413
135 alangirvan : I mean that the new product Qantas A332 would directly compete against AA operated A321, QF codeshare flights on LAX-JFK. You might expect anyone fly
136 zkokq : I don't have that info at the moment, once I find out, I will pass it on. Yes, from what I hear they want to use all 737-800's as their fleet plan fo
137 Ditzyboy : The original four were derated for domestic use, up until they went to JQ.
138 qf002 : As above the product will be consistent across the whole A330 fleet (this has been confirmed by QF), but your post actually got me thinking about wha
139 Ditzyboy : I believe they were delivered at the lower weights and upgraded as they were transferred to Jetstar for international use. EBA-D were delivered as -2
140 Ben175 : So on another forum somebody posted Nearmaps pictures of the Virgin Pier/A380 gate at PER taken on March 3 and May 13. Not surprisingly, there has lit
141 zkojq : Good! I love VA's 737-700s and the new livery looks perfect on them. I hope they stay in the fleet as long as economically possible. I wonder where V
142 Post contains links DeltaB717 : You didn't imagine it, and I quote: "Sydney-Perth, Melbourne-Perth and Brisbane-Perth flights will be built around a range of of small and main plate
143 RyanairGuru : Aahhh! Thank you! I don't feel so stupid anymore. That's a different article to the one that I "re-read", but seeing it now that's definitely where I
144 zkokq : VBV was also supposed to go to the same place, but the sale got canned because VA didnt want to do the next check.
145 Post contains links and images EK413 : I wish PER management would get a nice kick up their rear end! http://www.seeperthairporttransform....ws/newsletters-and-media-releases/ Gate 51 will
146 Post contains images EK413 : EK413
147 CXfirst : I was under impression that the A380 capable gate would be at bay 51 (not 53-56 that the pic shows). The development in the first pic is just the exp
148 Post contains links and images RyanairGuru : This morning SYD was fog bound which resulted in some interesting diversions to BNE and CBR, and is having ripple effects throughout the system. I kno
149 sydscott : It really is a shame that our of the majors, PER is easily the worst airport in Australia. The Virgin pier, the multi-story carpark and the A380 gate
150 RyanairGuru : Given that it wasn't mentioned in the linked articles I didn't even think of looking into diversion to MEL. They were: SQ221 SIN (388), QF12 LAX (388)
151 Post contains links sydscott : In other news, QF have just made an announcement re upgrading their facilities etc in PER along with expansion into the other domestic terminal. http:
152 CXfirst : VA9021 is just the flight number of the positioning flight for VH-XFB back to SYD, so it is the same aircraft as VA572, so there should only be 3 A33
153 MilesDependent : How many 767s do Qantas have in int'l config? I count 4: OGR, OGS, OGT, OGU. Why do they need so many to just operate to HNL and NOU (only occassional
154 QFVHOQA : My guess would be to allow for maintenance, or for substitution on the SYD-HNL route. The reliability of these old birds would be not so great, so in
155 vhebb : I would assume with QF eventually moving into Perth's T3 they would pick up all the current VA gates?
156 thegeek : That's a bit unexpected. So they brought in customs at CBR or held the international customers on the plane, or something else?
157 RyanairGuru : From the photo of the QF 747 above it looks like they parked on the Fairbairn ramp rather than at the terminal. That makes me think that the passenge
158 JQflightie : [quote=vhebb,reply=155]I would assume with QF eventually moving into Perth's T3 they would pick up all the current VA gates? Yes, QF + Group, will be
159 CXfirst : Well, first they'll move some operations (as announced), with some QantasLink and Jetstar coming. There is space for them, seeing as Skywest, Allianc
160 Post contains images tullamarine : They were probably offered the chance to get off but like most people when offered a chance to visit Canberra, they gave it a miss. No, it is unlikel
161 sydscott : It'll be interesting to see if QF does any more work on the terminals in terms of combining them and/or fitting a couple more gates. There will come
162 Post contains images BAeRJ100 : The first picture is irrelevant, it isn't the construction of the A380 gate. The new gate is being built on bay 51, directly next to the Virgin pier
163 Post contains images qf002 : 600 once you add the A330 from PVG. As unpleasant as it might be, sitting on the plane for a couple of hours with refreshments and IFE has got to be
164 tullamarine : Between 8AM and 11AM on Tuesdays the terminal is quite steady with 4 narrowbodies to NZ, 2 flights to DPS (A330 and 73W), 2 A330s to PVG, 2 A330s to
165 CXfirst : Plus, it is much easier keeping pax in the plane. With fog, it is rather uncertain when the plane can continue to SYD. So, if pax are already in the
166 Post contains images RyanairGuru : That makes a lot more sense, thanks for clarifying. Similarly at BNE there wouldn't have been many (if any) spare parking bays at the terminal. Touch
167 Post contains links AyostoLeon : Any news on the possible effects of the walk-out by QF contract security staff at PER have been and what provision has been made to avoid delays and d
168 RyanairGuru : While I'm not a big union advocate, in this case I think thank God. My better half used to work at the coffee shop at CBR and her hourly rate was [si
169 CXfirst : I had a security guard at PER (not from MSS, but one of the other large ones) once complain to me about pay, and a step management was doing to lower
170 RyanairGuru : Presuming that the people at CBR told her the correct figure then it sounds like they correlate. I was horrified when I first heard!
171 Ben175 : Philippine Airlines lands in Perth at the end of the week. Anyone know how the loads are doing on the route to MNL via DRW? EDIT: I just realised PR's
172 EK413 : Correct, after having another look at the photos the area is expansion work on the new immigration hall & baggage claim area. I really wish SYD a
173 JQflightie : Who is operating the 77W to LAX??
174 RyanairGuru : VA Does anyone know what happened to AC33 this morning? It diverted to BNE and AC34 has been listed as cancelled.[Edited 2013-05-28 20:31:21]
175 JQflightie : oh them? yeah I always forget about them.... oh well, for good reason...
176 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I coudldn't agree more
177 eaglefarm4 : I believe the crew ran out of hours.Aircraft still in BNE i believe.
178 zkokq : First two regos for JQ 787's are VH-VKE and VH-VKF. QF freights 747F rego will be VH-EQF. I have the current rego for the 747F, but I can't find info
179 qf002 : What happened to VKA-VKD?
180 zkokq : Not sure. Will try and get info.
181 Post contains images EK413 : Probably VKA-VKD are heading to mainline QF (wishful thinking I know) EK413
182 vhebb : I believe the 3 current B744Fs that QF lease through Atlas are, N409MC, N412MC, and N492MC. Anyone which one the new B744ERF VH-EQF will replace? Than
183 EK413 : Don't quote me but I believe all 3 will be replaced eventually. Doesn't make any sense to operate 1 sole B744F & Atlas Air operate 2 on behalf QF
184 linglesou : I notice UA840 is operating today MEL-SYD as usual (albeit delayed) however UA840 SYD-LAX is listed as cancelled. 870 to SFO is supposed to depart mor
185 RyanairGuru : I can't answer your question, but it looks like UA is having a bad day overall. UA839 went to BNE this morning (second time this week!). That aircraf
186 SYDAIRPORTS : Surely TT will be kept away from any peak hour schedules BNE, SYD, MEL & will tkae over some VA services. Will TT aircraft be repainted just like
187 SYDAIRPORTS : Skyforce's 146-200QC landed at Bankstown. Does that mean it can land & take off with a full load or only when empty ?
188 VH-BZF : How do you know this? VA offer a fraction of the J/C seats that QF do, I think if you do your homework you will find that QF offers more J/C seats an
189 TN486 : Could you please provide a source for this comment, or did you inadvertently leave out "IMHO" from your post?
190 DeltaB717 : No TT will continue to operate 'separately'... structure similar to QF/JQ
191 EK413 : Yes they might have secured a few corporate contracts here and there but I wouldn't be bragging on with such statements claiming that there stealing
192 RyanairGuru : Yep, it is quite interesting to see how some went over to VA and then came back to QF for whatever reason. My father was one of them, his firm went t
193 SYDAIRPORTS : Well VA did start from a base of zero domestically.
194 TN486 : You are quite correct they did, however your statement that I and others question you on is "stealing a lot of business up front from QF". Anecdotal
195 eaglefarm4 : Philippine Airlines recommenced BNE flights today with 3 a week A320 via DRW. RP-C8620 was the aircraft reg.
196 Post contains images thegeek : Under forum rules, unless stated as an opinion, a comment is a fact. Or something to that effect. I'd like to know the answer to this one too. Probab
197 Post contains links RyanairGuru : TK have announced that they intend to go non-stop IST-SYD within three years. Flights will commence in April 2014, via Singapore. http://www.news.com.
198 jupiter2 : As most airlines do, however Virgin Blue at the time could hardly have started at a more opportune time. It was the time of great tourist interest in
199 CXfirst : That article seems to know a lot more than we do. Looks like TK are ordering 777-200LR's! -CXfirst
200 Post contains links and images QF175 : Australian Aviation Thread # 74 is now up and running
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