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Australian Aviation Thread Part 73  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12167 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19990 times:
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Welcome to the 73rd edition of the Australian Aviation Threads.

Link to the previous thread Australian Aviation Thread Part 72 (by QF175 Apr 29 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 19959 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 242):
What is the reason for the delay?

Terrible management skills.

The world's biggest international airline has expressed concern that WA is missing out on tourism and business opportunities because infrastructure at Perth Airport is unable to meet demand.

Responding to news that a promised aerobridge complex to accommodate A380 super jumbos is running five months behind, Emirates president Tim Clark said "this is not good news for Perth Airport, Perth and WA and Emirates".

Perth Airport's international terminal has only one boarding aerobridge per plane. The A380 needs at least two, but ideally three.

Emirates will be forced to push back the introduction of its luxurious 517-seat A380 to its Perth route by at least five months because of the delay.

Perth Airport chief executive Brad Geatches promised in July that it would deliver the aerobridge "within 12 months".

An airport spokesman conceded on Friday that the time frame was only an estimate and the gate would not be ready until November next year (2013).

EK413



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 19882 times:

Quoting EK413:
I for one definitely don't feel sorry for PER. The management of PER have them selves to blame for the delay and readiness of the A380 bay. BNE on the other hand from memory had a A380 bay well before QF accepted delivery of their 1st aircraft in September 2008!

Yep, I remember in September 2008 I flew BNE-NAN from Gate 75. IIRC the gate wasn't even "new" as the Emirates lounge (that unloads directly onto the aerobridge) was opened in June.

The beauty of this gate is that while BNE built it for the A380 (and EK single-deck aircraft in the meantime), it could be used for two narrowbody aircraft. My NAN flight left from 75A while a DJ flight to AKL boarded simultaneously through 75B.

Quoting IndianicWorld:
TT may well see a reduction in VA ops, especially on secondary sectors. VA can instead deploy the lower cost base of TT on those sectors

This.

If VA can successfully leverage the TT business then it would allow VA to leave markets such as MEL-OOL, BNE-PPP etc, just as QF did almost a decade ago.

By exploiting VA's lower cost base vs QF and TT's lower cost base vs JQ, using the VA and TT brands on the routes currently served by QF and JQ respectively, then VAH might be onto something.

That said, as Mariner pointed out in the other thread VA's success up front is limited at best. This concerns me (not personally, but from a business perspective) as I wonder what the long term role for VA is, given that they could end up permanently wedged between QF and JQ/TT.



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User currently offlineSYDSpotter From Australia, joined Oct 2012, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 19818 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
That said, as Mariner pointed out in the other thread VA's success up front is limited at best. This concerns me (not personally, but from a business perspective) as I wonder what the long term role for VA is, given that they could end up permanently wedged between QF and JQ/TT.

They still have a cost advantage over QF but as VA brings their product/service offering closer to QF, the higher their cost base will become. Although VA will probably always still have a lower cost base due to QF having a lot of legacy staffing contracts which are more costly compared with VA.

What's the next step for VA in terms of their product offering, will they start offering food for domestic economy class passengers like QF? Has VA's international division now reached a limit in terms of growth now that it has got some many Intl partners (DL, SQ, NZ, EY).



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User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 19763 times:

I've heard that Qantas is opening an A330 pilot base in Perth (not BNE) to supplement the B737 pilot base that's there already. It will join both Sydney and Melbourne as pilot bases for the Airbus wide body.

VA's cost base will continue to rise as it tries to copy the QF group business plan, adding airlines and infrastructure to boot.

BZF



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 19765 times:

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 4):
I've heard that Qantas is opening an A330 pilot base in Perth (not BNE) to supplement the B737 pilot base that's there already

To be honest PER makes more sense than BNE. Whereas PER gets multiple 330 flights per day to the right hand side (plus SIN), BNE only has HKG on a regular basis at the moment. Sure, I expect SIN to revert to a 330 in the future and 330s are not totally unknown to both PER and DRW from BNE, but these aren't guaranteed frequencies, unlike PER.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 19731 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
BEFORE
http://us.airliners.net/photos/photos/7/9/6/1091697.jpg
AFTER
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/1/7/1938715.jpg

EK413



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 19716 times:

Perth Airport is an absolute and utter disgrace. There is simply NO excuse for this kind of rubbish management - there hasn't been any news about the A380 gate - something we should have had by 2011 at the latest.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 19692 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 7):

A picture is worth a thousand words!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eNT_gac5igY/UMKLkVmw0bI/AAAAAAAALSA/5W7RjidYhKU/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%231.JPG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EvjjWIzCEno/UMKLuUpD2dI/AAAAAAAALSI/sEsULWm9K7E/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%232.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZFOZojQXF3A/UMKMF3dy2pI/AAAAAAAALSY/Wa4SQFuPtxM/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%234.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-91kH2yYa0D0/UMKMm7P_gRI/AAAAAAAALSg/ULs0yxzt6mc/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%235.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zqDCuGPOE40/UMKNTGH16CI/AAAAAAAALSo/SkuACABvAJk/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%236.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KLD2UZYU22Y/UMKN35xO08I/AAAAAAAALS4/n3P5KK9YLjw/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4%252C+2012+%25238.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-q0jy0c-hPEQ/UMKOOk44QzI/AAAAAAAALTA/VF50ug2Vzx4/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%239.JPG

EK413



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User currently offlineSYDSpotter From Australia, joined Oct 2012, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 19657 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):

A picture is worth a thousand words!

Wow, never seen PER like that before. Bit of a parking lot!

I assume those pictures are from very early in the morning, just before the wave of trans-continental hops to MEL/SYD/BNE and the early morning scheduled/chartered flights to the WA mining centres?



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 19644 times:

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 9):
I assume those pictures are from very early in the morning, just before the wave of trans-continental hops to MEL/SYD/BNE and the early morning scheduled/chartered flights to the WA mining centres?

The photos had been taken 5am. All compliments to the source   SSC
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1496636&page=20

EK413



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 19619 times:

I wish the WA government would step in and tell WAC to stop playing games and shape up. It's beyond a joke now. Brad Geatches "promised" an A380 gate to airlines by November - now it looks like we won't have anything until mid-2014.

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 19452 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
That said, as Mariner pointed out in the other thread VA's success up front is limited at best. This concerns me (not personally, but from a business perspective) as I wonder what the long term role for VA is, given that they could end up permanently wedged between QF and JQ/TT.

Just to expand on that, once the protections of the Two Airline policy were removed there has not been shown to be room for two Qantases (Qanti?) - especially with the almost open slather of Asian/ME carriers. Domestic is really the battleground and domestic is ultimately finite.

Ansett was a hell-hole of debt and incompetent management and we know how that turned out - hello and goodbye Air NZ. Compass was a possible way of the alternate future but that was squashed, as East-West had been.

But that alternate future wouldn't go away, it was an unstoppable, bottom-up market force, and the practical answer - to my mind - was a revamped two airline system, Qantas and Virgin Blue. Within that, I believe there was room for Virgin Blue to zoosh up its premium product.

But I think it all stems back to SRB, who has always been fairly schizophrenic. The cheerful battler on the side of "the people" (Branson) warring with the desire for prestige (Sir Richard).

I think his vision is splendid, but even the most filial realisation of it, Virgin Atlantic, has long struggled financially and - possibly - can't survive as a pure stand alone, although it's about the last thing SRB is going to admit.

And I understand Mr. Borghetti's desire to revamp to Virgin Australia to faux Qantas, it's in his airline DNA, his legacy heritage, and may be why he was chosen - to realise SRB's vision. But I'll be interested to see if the market can support it.

I'm sure Virgin Australia can survive in some form and I hope it can thrive. Maybe the present Air NZ model, with its attention to the back end, would be better, or SRB needs to go, or both, but I think the present situation is destructive. I'm a historian and I am very conscious of the lessons of history.

Still, as the song says - maybe this time.

mariner

[Edited 2013-05-16 13:02:27]


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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 19332 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 11):
I wish the WA government would step in and tell WAC to stop playing games and shape up. It's beyond a joke now. Brad Geatches "promised" an A380 gate to airlines by November - now it looks like we won't have anything until mid-2014.

WA Government can't do anything. What is needed is for the Federal Transport Minister to start proceedings to find that the operator of PER has breached its lease obligations. A successful acton would mean the Commonwealth could resume Perth Airport and take over its operations.

The other interesting thing about PER, other than being an absolute disgrace, is that the Future Fund through its acquisition of AIX now has a shareholding of 29.7% in the Airport Operator. So as much as I don't think this should be politicised, I do think the Federal Government should step in, in this particular case, and direct the Future Fund to develop Perth Airport or to buy the rest of the shareholders out under threat that if they don't sell at market value, the Commonwealth will attempt to resume the Airport as per my first para.

Either way, PER needs some serious work doing to it and the work that is currently going on is a drop in the ocean to what should already have happened!


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 19230 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 13):
WA Government can't do anything.

Not true!

Although I'll agree that it is unlikely, but the WA Government COULD take over the operator and depending on the WA constitution, it wouldn't have to cost anything. As the land is still owned by the C'wealth it can't resume the land, but it can take over the corporation's WA operations.
The mere threat of this should be enough to galvanise the Feds & everybody else involved into action.

Gemuser



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 19049 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 13):
I do think the Federal Government should step in, in this particular case, and direct the Future Fund to develop Perth Airport

I disagree. Your first paragraph seems to contain the path forward. It would be an interesting test case too for BNE which is resisting paying for the construction of the parallel runway, even though it seems to be a condition of the lease. The problem would be that the Federal government doesn't want to lose face from a failed action.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 14):
Although I'll agree that it is unlikely, but the WA Government COULD take over the operator

Compulsorily acquire it? Interesting idea, but I'd expect if they tried that the feds would try to stop them, but you never know, they could be unable to enact the required legislation.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18977 times:

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 9):
Wow, never seen PER like that before. Bit of a parking lot!

That was basically the scene every night and morning, with some aircraft being forced to park at the unopened T2. Its a bit better now that skywest and alliance are over at T2.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18816 times:

Other news, Rydges Sydney Airport Hotel opened last week.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/now-open-rydges-sydney-airport-hotel

http://wmkarchitecture.com/assets/Uploads/_resampled/SetWidth850-Rydges-Sydney-Airport-02.jpg

http://wmkarchitecture.com/assets/Uploads/_resampled/SetWidth850-Rydges-Sydney-Airport-01.jpg

And from the facebook page:



Source: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=460346&page=44

EK413



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User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18713 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 14):
Although I'll agree that it is unlikely, but the WA Government COULD take over the operator and depending on the WA constitution

That would not happen as WA Govt could not acquire Federal Government land.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 18415 times:

Air Niugini will operate a wet leased Icelandair 757 on POM-BNE flights from 20 MAY.3 of the 11 flights a week will be by the 757.The 757 is a temporary replacement for 767 maintenance.TF-FIW is the aircraft .


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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18322 times:

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 18):

That would not happen as WA Govt could not acquire Federal Government land.

I did NOT say or imply that it could, in fact I said it couldn't. What I did say is that it COULD take over the OPERATOR, ie the company. Possibly it could just take the lease off the company. If you operate in a state that state government has vast powers to affect your operations, in that state, with very little restrictions.
They would have to be careful to avoid infringing Sect 92 of the Constitution and the Corporations Act, but it COULD be done. In fact the mere thread could very well achieve what the state government wants.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18171 times:

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 4):
I've heard that Qantas is opening an A330 pilot base in Perth (not BNE) to supplement the B737 pilot base that's there already. It will join both Sydney and Melbourne as pilot bases for the Airbus wide body.

Yes, it Make's sense for a A330 for the simple fact that it will cut the cost of overnighting A330 Tech Crew in PER as weekday flights east-west on SYD/MEL are A330's, and its cheaper to overnight the crew in the eastern states.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
If VA can successfully leverage the TT business then it would allow VA to leave markets such as MEL-OOL, BNE-PPP etc, just as QF did almost a decade ago.

By exploiting VA's lower cost base vs QF and TT's lower cost base vs JQ, using the VA and TT brands on the routes currently served by QF and JQ respectively, then VAH might be onto something.

Don't underestimate the power of QF, I think you will see QF (QLink) enter back on markets like MEL-OOL now that we have the 5 'new' 717's coming with Business Class and Individual IFE in them..
I think it is the perfect plane to come back on some markets..  



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 18110 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 21):
Don't underestimate the power of QF, I think you will see QF (QLink) enter back on markets like MEL-OOL now that we have the 5 'new' 717's coming with Business Class and Individual IFE in them..
I think it is the perfect plane to come back on some markets..

I've already asked the question & I'm only guessing the details have not been released but any idea as to the configuration of the B717's with J/C?

EK413



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User currently offlineBenSandilands From Australia, joined Mar 2013, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 18090 times:

Have written up the secrecy and speculation about the 717 layout in another place more than a day ago.

The 'nuclear option' may be used. Whether it can trump the E-190s is uncertain.

But a really interesting and for both carriers critically important contest is going to occur on the Canberra 717 network outlined by Qantas.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 18085 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 21):
Don't underestimate the power of QF

Don't worry I don't  

I'm pretty cynical when it comes to VAH, but it will be interesting to watch what happens



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18217 times:
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I had reason to go back and re-read the ACCC approval and there's a thing that puzzles me - Berlin again - mostly because I don't know enough about the bilaterals.

I have always understood that the beyond rights apply to flights that originate in the home country - Australia - which flights may carry pax to a second country and beyond to a third country, and may also carry pax from the second country to the third.

But that such flights, in most cases, must originate in the home country.

ACCC: as a result of support and feeder traffic from Emirates, Qantas may be able to offer an Australia-Dubai-Berlin service, dependent on the delivery of new Boeing B787-9 aircraft.

It's been suggested that it would be great (and it would) if Qantas could base, say, a couple of A330's at DXB and fly to Europe - BER, CDG, etc.

But is that actually possible?

Under the terms of the German bilateral would the Qantas flight DXB-BER have to originate in Australia, so that the actual routing would be (say) ADL-DXB-BER, but able to gather pax at DXB for the BER leg?

Sorry if this has been thrashed out before, but there does seem to have been confusion about the German bilateral.

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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18187 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 25):
Qantas could base, say, a couple of A330's at DXB and fly to Europe - BER, CDG, etc.

But is that actually possible?

Notwithstaning any concerns about whether QF could fly to Berlin via Dubai (this has been discussed many, many times as we still haven't got a straight answer!), then yes the service would have to start in Australia.

That said, it doesn't have to be the same aircraft the entire way (see SYD-AKL-LAX-JFK: one aircraft with each leg being a different flight! MEL-AKL-LAX was one number, and SYD-LAX-JFK was another, so each flight started/ended in Australia). It is quite possible that QF could, say, fly QF123 BNE-DXB-BER, with a 74E BNE-DXB and 333 DXB-BER. That would, however, lead to the question of how to get the 333 to DXB. This makes me think that if, and it's a big if, QF launch BER (or AMS etc) pre-2016 then it will be with from PER. PER-DXB would be within the range of the 333 (PER-DXB is actually shorter than MEL-PEK!)



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18484 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 26):
This makes me think that if, and it's a big if, QF launch BER (or AMS etc) pre-2016 then it will be with from PER. PER-DXB would be within the range of the 333 (PER-DXB is actually shorter than MEL-PEK!)

It would be neat, though.  

mariner



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18474 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 22):
I've already asked the question & I'm only guessing the details have not been released but any idea as to the configuration of the B717's with J/C?

I'm expecting the J cabin to be a decent size -- 12 seats at 2-2 (I don't see any point at all in going for 1-2 when these planes will be flying such short hops), which would leave space for 90Y across 18 rows.

Of course, they could also be going for a Euro-style product to maintain some flexibility in the fleet (and which would better replace the role of the 734s). They haven't said anything about J class having new/different seat. It does seem unlikely, but we won't know for sure until they release details.

Quoting mariner (Reply 25):
It's been suggested that it would be great (and it would) if Qantas could base, say, a couple of A330's at DXB and fly to Europe - BER, CDG, etc.

But is that actually possible?

Under the terms of the German bilateral would the Qantas flight DXB-BER have to originate in Australia, so that the actual routing would be (say) ADL-DXB-BER, but able to gather pax at DXB for the BER leg?

The service has to originate in Australia, not the plane. For every DXB-Europe service they want to open up, they'll also have to open up a DXB-Australia one, but that operation can be based entirely out of DXB in order to access the lower cost base there.

It might also be possible to set up a QF branded UAE airline (similar to Jetconnect). While that airline wouldn't be able to utilise Australian traffic rights (which is the whole purpose of the exercise), it could operate QF services to countries where there are no restrictions under UAE treaties (ie existing services to LHR) to free up inbound QF services from Australia to switch equipment and operate to places that require Australian rights (ie BER).


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18482 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 21):
Yes, it Make's sense for a A330 for the simple fact that it will cut the cost of overnighting A330 Tech Crew in PER as weekday flights east-west on SYD/MEL are A330's, and its cheaper to overnight the crew in the eastern states.

But by how much? SYD-PER-SIN rtn requires 3 overnights and SYD-PER rtn 1, PER-SIN rtn 1. Assuming they do it that way of course.

I wonder if there's a long term plan to shift A330 flying out of SYD.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18450 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 28):
12 seats at 2-2 (I don't see any point at all in going for 1-2 when these planes will be flying such short hops)

I agree 2-1 is an overkill. While the M80s in the USA are noticeably narrower in J than the 6 abreast frames, for 1 hour flights it isn't really a problem. After all 2-1 on a 5 abreast aircraft would probably equate to the widest J seat in the fleet! (yes wider than the Skybed!)



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18418 times:
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Quoting qf002 (Reply 28):
The service has to originate in Australia, not the plane.

Perhaps that distinction is what I was missing - thanks.

mariner



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18434 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 26):
Notwithstaning any concerns about whether QF could fly to Berlin via Dubai (this has been discussed many, many times as we still haven't got a straight answer!), then yes the service would have to start in Australia.

There was somebody who found one of the 1990s updates and posted it somewhere here (I can't for the life of me find it now though). QF has the right to transfer their rights from FRA (which was the only port specified in the original treaty) to another port, so they can fly to BER if they want to (whether EK can codeshare on these services or not is a different matter).


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18408 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 32):
QF has the right to transfer their rights from FRA (which was the only port specified in the original treaty) to another port, so they can fly to BER if they want to

I do vaguely remember that now you mention it. In fact wasn't a designated carrier of Australia allowed to fly to FRA, MUC, DUS and HAM, but could designate to switch one of those for another destination?

As for the stopover, I understand that the Australia-Germany bilateral permits a stop-over in the "Middle East". It would be interesting to see the German government mount an argument that Dubai =/= the "Middle East". Several posters on here have tried to have a shot at it (believe it or not), on the basis that when the Treaty was ratified the UAE didn't exist and Dubai was two tents in a desert. They therefore tried to make out that it was outside of the intention of the contracting States at the time that the Treaty was entered into for Dubai to come under the term "Middle East".

[Edited 2013-05-17 22:25:56]


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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18372 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 22):
I've already asked the question & I'm only guessing the details have not been released but any idea as to the configuration of the B717's with J/C?

Not been released yet, but id expect around 8-12

Quoting thegeek (Reply 29):
But by how much? SYD-PER-SIN rtn requires 3 overnights and SYD-PER rtn 1, PER-SIN rtn 1. Assuming they do it that way of course.I wonder if there's a long term plan to shift A330 flying out of SYD.

Well when the cost of a hotel in SIN is a lot cheaper than the cost of a hotel room in perth..... but the point I was making, is the amount of techie's overnighting in PER at any one night, that would be cut.

Cabin Crew patterns are already being used as following: SYD-PER-SIN and MEL-PER-SIN.



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Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 18319 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 34):
Well when the cost of a hotel in SIN is a lot cheaper than the cost of a hotel room in perth..... but the point I was making, is the amount of techie's overnighting in PER at any one night, that would be cut.

Not disputing that point. And particularly if SYD-PER rotations are crewed out of PER instead of SYD.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 34):
Cabin Crew patterns are already being used as following: SYD-PER-SIN and MEL-PER-SIN.

Why? There's A330 qualified crew in PER aren't there? Not enough? Seems like there's lower fruit here which could be picked.

Or did you mean without an overnight in PER? That would be a pretty long day!


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17965 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 35):
Or did you mean without an overnight in PER? That would be a pretty long day!

I'm pretty sure that he meant as one slip. Presuming it is longhaul crew operating the flights then it is much shorter than LAX, DFW or DXB! Even if it is domestic crew I think you will find that it is still legal (although JQflightie can correct me on this)



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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17967 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 20):
Possibly it could just take the lease off the company. If you operate in a state that state government has vast powers to affect your operations, in that state, with very little restrictions.

Could you imagine the Federal Government allowing, even if it was possible, any State Government to compulsorily acquire or forcefully take a lease signed by the Federal Government using State Law powers without challenging it? I couldn't. Since the lease is signed by the Commonwealth and covers Federal Land any intervention by the States would be met with 2 fingers up, or a middle finger, from Canberra. Not to mention that WA has tried to interfere with the Airport before and argued there was stamp duty payable on the transfer of share in the airport operator. The lost that case. The States also have no power whatsoever to regulate the Airport, no power over planning or noise mitigation, it all rests with the Federal Government. So I find it very difficult to believe the State Governments have the power to do what you are suggesting they could do. (But I'm not a lawyer!)

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 26):
This makes me think that if, and it's a big if, QF launch BER (or AMS etc) pre-2016 then it will be with from PER. PER-DXB would be within the range of the 333 (PER-DXB is actually shorter than MEL-PEK!)

I don't know why QF doesn't re-fit the 4 International A332's with lie flats and premium economy and use them to do PER-DXB-Europe. The A333's are perfect for Asia flying off the East Coast while an A332 would fit perfectly in PER. You could then use the A332 to do PER-SIN as well. That way PER is on the receiving end of most of the A332 domestic flying and all of the A332 International flying. Makes things kinda simple really.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17909 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 37):
Could you imagine the Federal Government allowing, even if it was possible, any State Government to compulsorily acquire or forcefully take a lease signed by the Federal Government using State Law powers without challenging it? I couldn't. Since the lease is signed by the Commonwealth and covers Federal Land any intervention by the States would be met with 2 fingers up, or a middle finger, from Canberra.

This is an interesting question. I recognise, and appreciate, the nuanced argument advanced by Gemuser. That said, I would buy tickets to watch this be argued in the High Court  
Quoting sydscott (Reply 37):
I find it very difficult to believe the State Governments have the power to do what you are suggesting they could do

I don't find it "very difficult" to believe, but there is only one place that this would be decided.

While not a lawyer, I have studied Public Law, Administrative Law, and Constitutional Law, and the sum total of those three courses tells me that, quite simply, there is no answer to this question. If Gemuser could point me to legal authority to support his argument then that would be great, but in the meantime I will get the popcorn   



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17828 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 17):
Other news, Rydges Sydney Airport Hotel opened last week.

Thanks for that. I wasn't aware of it opening and since I need a hotel at the airport for a night (early am departure ex-SYD) I booked there.

The introductory rate was a tad cheaper than anyone else was offering.  

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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17725 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 36):
I'm pretty sure that he meant as one slip. Presuming it is longhaul crew operating the flights then it is much shorter than LAX, DFW or DXB! Even if it is domestic crew I think you will find that it is still legal (although JQflightie can correct me on this)

Legal I'm sure, but I'd expect you'd need a couple of extra F/As to allow for rest breaks.

I think they might be a she.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 37):
So I find it very difficult to believe the State Governments have the power to do what you are suggesting they could do. (But I'm not a lawyer!)

As far as I am aware, the states can pass any law they want so long as it doesn't violate a federal law. I expect if WA did as Gemuser outlined there would be a law pass both federal houses easily to prevent them.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17594 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 28):
I'm expecting the J cabin to be a decent size -- 12 seats at 2-2 (I don't see any point at all in going for 1-2 when these planes will be flying such short hops), which would leave space for 90Y across 18 rows.

I was thinking roughly the same B717 = 12J 115Y / 20J 90Y ?

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 34):
Not been released yet, but id expect around 8-12

  

Quoting mariner (Reply 39):
Thanks for that. I wasn't aware of it opening and since I need a hotel at the airport for a night (early am departure ex-SYD) I booked there.

The introductory rate was a tad cheaper than anyone else was offering.

Your welcome 
Mind me asking how much introductory price was for 1 night? I made a dummy booking in Expedia and was $182 for one night.

EK413



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17603 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 41):
Mind me asking how much introductory price was for 1 night? I made a dummy booking in Expedia and was $182 for one night.

Sure, I was offered $185, but upgraded myself by a factor of one and got $200.

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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17596 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 37):
So I find it very difficult to believe the State Governments have the power to do what you are suggesting they could do. (But I'm not a lawyer!)

Legally, a bit tricky but could be done. Politically? That's another & murkier matter.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 37):
The States also have no power whatsoever to regulate the Airport, no power over planning or noise mitigation, it all rests with the Federal Government

Simply wrong. Generally they leave it to the C'wealth, but the states have concurrent powers in all such matters. The High Court has ruled that ONLY in matters of aviation safety does the C'wealth have exclusive powers.
It would be legally tricky, but IMHO doable. They would have to avoid contravention of Sect 92 and any specific provisions of the Corporations Act, but outside that they have a free hand. Besides what makes you think the C'wealth government would be opposed to the WA government stepping in if the operator is under performing? It would save them the trouble.
I don't think it WILL actually happen, but the fact that it COULD happen would be a very powerful weapon in any political stoush over the airport.

Gemuser
(PS I am not a lawyer either, but I have been a student of Australian Public Administration for over 40 years now & have several qualifications in the subject)



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User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17596 times:

The rumour about QF leasing new build EK birds painted in QF colours has surfaced again, I've heard it twice in the past 3 days from different sources.

I'm hearing B777's but my gut feeling is if true it'll be A380's.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17521 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 42):
Sure, I was offered $185, but upgraded myself by a factor of one and got $200.

That's not bad really when you factor in the convenience of walking to the airport. The Stamford Hotel near the Domestic terminal quote was $230 so it's definitely a good deal.

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 44):
The rumour about QF leasing new build EK birds painted in QF colours has surfaced again, I've heard it twice in the past 3 days from different sources.

I'm hearing B777's but my gut feeling is if true it'll be A380's.

As sweet as it sounds I need to see it to believe it.

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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17533 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 44):
The rumour about QF leasing new build EK birds painted in QF colours has surfaced again, I've heard it twice in the past 3 days from different sources.

I'm hearing B777's but my gut feeling is if true it'll be A380's.

I'd only really believe A330s. 787s at the outside.


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Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17513 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 45):
That's not bad really when you factor in the convenience of walking to the airport. The Stamford Hotel near the Domestic terminal quote was $230 so it's definitely a good deal.

Before I booked I checked the Mercure ($270) and the Ibis (over $250) for the same date.

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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17392 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 37):
don't know why QF doesn't re-fit the 4 International A332's with lie flats and premium economy and use them to do PER-DXB-Europe. The A333's are perfect for Asia flying off the East Coast while an A332 would fit perfectly in PER. You could then use the A332 to do PER-SIN as well. That way PER is on the receiving end of most of the A332 domestic flying and all of the A332 International flying. Makes things kinda simple really.

We might very well see that happen over the next couple of years once QF has started rolling the new A330 product out and JQ has their 787s. Until then, they will place their aircraft on routes where they will produce a return, and that is transcon at the moment.

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 44):
The rumour about QF leasing new build EK birds painted in QF colours has surfaced again, I've heard it twice in the past 3 days from different sources.

I'm hearing B777's but my gut feeling is if true it'll be A380's.

It'll be very interesting to see if this happens. I'd be surprised to see A380s though (lack of commonality with their existing fleet, and they have their own orders that could probably be brought forward if they needed the planes). And as much as I'm convinced that the 777 boat has passed, it would be easy to transition retrained pilots across to the 787 when the time comes (and EK could handle all their maintenance etc).

I would still be more inclined to suggest that A330s would be the go, but even then I don't see the attraction of spending money bringing a 15 year ol frame up to scratch only for it to remain in the fleet for a few years (and they need a lot of work -- VA's reluctance to retrofit their new product into their 2 ex-EK frames says a lot IMO).


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17373 times:

The rumour that QF744ER has heard states new build, and EK don't have any more of them on order.

787's maybe
777 only if its a wet lease but I can't see the point
380 don't see the need for anymore really, unless they really want them to start on the SYD-DFW route

This may sound out of left field, but I'd not be surprised in a few years if this alliance goes well and brings about substantial value to both carriers if EK took a share in QF. at this stage, but by that point the alliance would have been operating for a few years and both carriers would be in a position to look at ways to further embed the relationship.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17307 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 35):
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 36):

The operate all the way through to SIN



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17312 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 44):
The rumour about QF leasing new build EK birds painted in QF colours has surfaced again, I've heard it twice in the past 3 days from different sources.

I'm hearing B777's but my gut feeling is if true it'll be A380's.

In fact, the only orders EK has is for A350, A380 and B777. Something isn't right about this rumour. Wet/damp lease of 777s is possible, I guess.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17294 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 51):
In fact, the only orders EK has is for A350, A380 and B777. Something isn't right about this rumour. Wet/damp lease of 777s is possible, I guess.

Could we have a similar arrangement the likes of VA29 & VA30 operating a EY flight AUH-KUL-AUH during layover time in AUH? But question is which route would the aircraft operate?!? SYD-DXB-BER?!?

EK413



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17235 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 49):
The rumour that QF744ER has heard states new build, and EK don't have any more of them on order

I know, but the A330s been part of this rumour before (in fact, they started it) so I think it's worth mentioning them.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 52):
Could we have a similar arrangement the likes of VA29 & VA30 operating a EY flight AUH-KUL-AUH during layover time in AUH? But question is which route would the aircraft operate?!? SYD-DXB-BER?!?

That's the only way I see this involving A380s or 777s. A total wet lease, which would effectively create an EK service operating under a QF code to gain access to Australian rights.

There would be uproar from Germany and VA, but I can't see anything legal that could stop them from doing it.


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 921 posts, RR: 2
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 17147 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 44):
The rumour about QF leasing new build EK birds painted in QF colours has surfaced again, I've heard it twice in the past 3 days from different sources.

I'm hearing B777's but my gut feeling is if true it'll be A380's.

I am not in a position to hear any rumours, however, if leases with A380's materialise, it will confirm my thoughts (suggestion coming from left field) I made in another thread on this site sometime ago. The thought of them doing this makes a lot of sense to me.



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16553 times:

JQ has announced that their first 788 will be delivered in September, a month later than originally planned. Qantas gushes over 787 while Boeing works on bugs

One of the suggestions in Ben's article is that "Singapore-Melbourne and Singapore-Auckland may be the first two routes". He has based this on the wording of the press release due to it's use of "Australia and New Zealand" rather than Australia.

My thought is that JQ should use the 788 on routes to NRT first (JQ11 or JQ25) to take advantage of JL's experience if anything goes wrong in NRT. Better to have an airline with a large fleet nearby, than in SIN where the closest carrier with 788s is AI..


User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16454 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 43):
Besides what makes you think the C'wealth government would be opposed to the WA government stepping in if the operator is under performing? It would save them the trouble.

Um, money. These places are gold mines and we have a Federal Government desperate for money. Taking back an airport and flogging it off again would be a pretty neat little trick for the Feds.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 55):
Better to have an airline with a large fleet nearby, than in SIN where the closest carrier with 788s is AI..

The 787 could end up in Osaka anyway.

Quoting TN486 (Reply 54):
I am not in a position to hear any rumours, however, if leases with A380's materialise, it will confirm my thoughts (suggestion coming from left field) I made in another thread on this site sometime ago. The thought of them doing this makes a lot of sense to me.

Aside from DFW there really isn't anything that needs an A380 right now unless we're talking about EK accessing some Australian traffic rights. On that score it'll be interesting to see if QF does decide to put some capacity back into Germany and, given their recent loss of codeshare capacity to Italy, it'll be interesting to see if QF goes back into Rome. Traffic growth between Italy and Australia has been strong and increasing over the past couple of years despite Italys problems.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 43):
Simply wrong. Generally they leave it to the C'wealth, but the states have concurrent powers in all such matters.

Actually I'm not wrong. (Since you've made me do the reading!) Only the Commonwealth Government has the power to pass legislation to control the management of areas of Commonwealth Land and the Commonwealth Government is generally, and I stress generally, exempt from State and Local planning regulations. In the past, Commonwealth bodies that managed land use were given exemptions from State laws to allow the Federal Government to manage unique land requirements without the restrictions of State legislation. For example, the land uses of the Department of Defence are unique to the requirements of the armed forces and would generally not comply with or come within the scope of
the legislative requirements of State laws.

In particular, in relation to the development of Airports in Australia, local and state planning are excluded from any “effective determining involvement in the process”, despite the “local and metropolitan context in which they sit” due to the Federal exemption from State laws.

An interesting thesis on the subject can be found here:

http://www.be.unsw.edu.au/sites/defa...gement/resources/_notes/5A3_29.pdf

This article is also worth the read if you want to pay for the download and relates specifically to Airports.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...1035267?journalCode=cupr20#preview


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16464 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 55):
One of the suggestions in Ben's article is that "Singapore-Melbourne and Singapore-Auckland may be the first two routes". He has based this on the wording of the press release due to it's use of "Australia and New Zealand" rather than Australia.

My thought is that JQ should use the 788 on routes to NRT first (JQ11 or JQ25) to take advantage of JL's experience if anything goes wrong in NRT. Better to have an airline with a large fleet nearby, than in SIN where the closest carrier with 788s is AI..

I agree -- the last paragraph of the release specifies HNL, NRT and HKT as initial routes (and there is no mention of SIN).

I also expect JQ to initially focus their fleet out of SYD rather than MEL. With three frames by the end of the year, they should be able to move HNL/HKT over to 787s then throw whatever capacity is left (probably about 1.5 frames) at NRT via OOL/CNS for the summer.

IMO, the use of "Australia and New Zealand" is simply a jab at NZ.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16400 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 55):
My thought is that JQ should use the 788 on routes to NRT first (JQ11 or JQ25) to take advantage of JL's experience if anything goes wrong in NRT. Better to have an airline with a large fleet nearby, than in SIN where the closest carrier with 788s is AI..
Quoting sydscott (Reply 56):
The 787 could end up in Osaka anyway.
Quoting qf002 (Reply 57):
I also expect JQ to initially focus their fleet out of SYD rather than MEL. With three frames by the end of the year, they should be able to move HNL/HKT over to 787s then throw whatever capacity is left (probably about 1.5 frames) at NRT via OOL/CNS for the summer.

When we first got told that JQ were getting 788's (I was still there) they were initially suppose to operate on the Japan Routes as these were big for us.... but as years have gone by, who know's where they will end up!



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5332 posts, RR: 11
Reply 59, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16282 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 57):
IMO, the use of "Australia and New Zealand" is simply a jab at NZ.

I had heard SIN some time ago, i'm not sure if this is still the case. I was thinking myself along with others here that AKL-SIN might get dropped.


User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15995 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 59):
I had heard SIN some time ago, i'm not sure if this is still the case. I was thinking myself along with others here that AKL-SIN might get dropped.

I heard they were going to be initially deployed on domestic routes to build crew hrs, cycles and experience.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 46):
I'd only really believe A330s. 787s at the outside.

Why would QF need more A330's they about to inherit 11 JQ ones -EBA, B, C, D, E, F, J, K, Q, R and S. -EBS should be very near to completion of painting and maintenance at Lufthansa Technik in MNL and set for re-delivery.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15946 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 60):
I heard they were going to be initially deployed on domestic routes to build crew hrs, cycles and experience

I might be tempted to take advantage of the opportunity if they do.   

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 60):
Why would QF need more A330's they about to inherit 11 JQ ones -EBA, B, C, D, E, F, J, K, Q, R and S

Because those 11 A330s are supposedly replacing 16 existing aircraft and they are already tight on regional aircraft (also remembering that A330s will be cycling out of the fleet for reconfiguration from next year).


User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15731 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 61):
Quoting QF744ER (Reply 60):
Why would QF need more A330's they about to inherit 11 JQ ones -EBA, B, C, D, E, F, J, K, Q, R and S

Because those 11 A330s are supposedly replacing 16 existing aircraft and they are already tight on regional aircraft (also remembering that A330s will be cycling out of the fleet for reconfiguration from next year).

QF could easily use more A330s but is EK the right place to source them? I recall VA had issues with their hand-me-downs from EK when they first arrived. Any additional A330s could replace the international A332s on domestic flying. This in turn can help retire 744s used for SYD-NRT or BNE-SIN.


User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 63, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15661 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 62):
This in turn can help retire 744s used for SYD-NRT or BNE-SIN.

BNE-SIN is shown as A333 in the forward schedules anyway.

As for SYD-NRT, I did a trip in business class for work the week before last along with 3 others. On both occassions, there and back, business class at least was full. (Economy was looked to be about half full, Premium Economy somewhat more full) I'd be interested to know what proportion of those pax were fare paying v upgrades but it does appear that there is a fair amount of premium demand to Tokyo from Sydney at least so maybe it will stay 744.

I was on VH-OJC both ways which, although it has the old angle lie flats, I found pretty comfortable. The new duvee thing and their re-designed blanket are great and I actually slept both ways without a sleeping pill. LOL


User currently offlineSYDSpotter From Australia, joined Oct 2012, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15621 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 44):
The rumour about QF leasing new build EK birds painted in QF colours has surfaced again, I've heard it twice in the past 3 days from different sources.

I'm hearing B777's but my gut feeling is if true it'll be A380's.

But I thought EK couldn't get their hands on enough A380's to start off with, same with the 777's I guess. Are there any further European routes that could support an A380? FRA?

Oz-DXB or Oz-Europe is the only place where EK would benefit from QF flying additional metal. Unless EK are struggling to find destinations for their new planes, it seems strange why they would want to lease new aircraft for QF to fly additional routes to the US/Asia.



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User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15472 times:

QF BNE-SIN-BNE reverts back to daily B744 at the end of May.

The A333 was only temporary while a B744 was out of service doing charter work.

Thanks


User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 66, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15371 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 65):
The A333 was only temporary while a B744 was out of service doing charter work.

I was looking at schedules in August and it shows as an A333?

Edit - I just checked again and it's 744. There is no way QF can get down to 9 744's with their schedule the way it is. Me thinks it's a pipedream unless they can get a couple of A380's from EK to repace say the DFW 744's. Otherwise no chance!

[Edited 2013-05-20 23:18:51]

User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15310 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 66):
Me thinks it's a pipedream unless they can get a couple of A380's from EK to repace say the DFW 744's.

I think it's a bit of a pipe dream that EK would release any of its A380s to QF.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 68, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15292 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 67):
Quoting sydscott (Reply 66):
Me thinks it's a pipedream unless they can get a couple of A380's from EK to repace say the DFW 744's.

I think it's a bit of a pipe dream that EK would release any of its A380s to QF.

I believe there's something brewing in the pipeline with EK eager to increase capacity on VIE & add BER to their network the only way I'd see this getting over the line would be a wet lease arrangement.

EK413

[Edited 2013-05-21 00:28:24]


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 69, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15273 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 68):
I believe there's something brewing in the pipeline with EK eager to increase capacity on VIE & add BER to their network

But not A380s.

777s would be great, but I don't see it.

If anything it is going to be A330s (or maybe 40s?). The 330s can either free up the 747s on Asia runs and allow QF to fly 747s to Europe (unlikely IMHO) or be put straight into action to Europe.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 70, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15244 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 69):
But not A380s.

        

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 69):
If anything it is going to be A330s (or maybe 40s?).

A340's would be viable & also require minimal crew training.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 69):
The 330s can either free up the 747s on Asia runs and allow QF to fly 747s to Europe (unlikely IMHO) or be put straight into action to Europe.

Or VCV.  tongue 

EK413

[Edited 2013-05-21 00:35:57]


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 71, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15236 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 70):
Or VCV.

I should be clearer, my two options were...

(1) 747 to Asia, A330 to Europe (status quo, QF aircraft doing what they do now, with EK aircraft flying EK routes)

(2) A330 to Asia, 747 to Europe (swap the two around)

But as you say, option 3...

(3) A330 to Asia, A330 to Europe!



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User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15264 times:

Guys I no longer think QF are trying to get down to 9 B744s

The plan for 9 B744s was made before the firm order for B789s was xxld, the A380s delayed, and international got its own CEO.

The fact that OEB is getting a cabin reconfig next month tells me that some of the older B744s will be sticking around.

Unless QF can source other aircraft they simply can't reduce the B744 fleet down to 9.

Thanks


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 73, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15245 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 71):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 70):
Or VCV.

I should be clearer, my two options were...

(1) 747 to Asia, A330 to Europe (status quo, QF aircraft doing what they do now, with EK aircraft flying EK routes)

(2) A330 to Asia, 747 to Europe (swap the two around)

But as you say, option 3...

(3) A330 to Asia, A330 to Europe!

You beat me to it was being sarcastic with VCV remarks.

On a serious note, A330's & A340's would be the only variants EK are keen to offload. The B77W's & A380's are way to young to be offloaded at this point unless there's conditions attached to it.

EK413



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 74, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15213 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 73):
B77W's & A380's are way to young to be offloaded

IIRC EK still have some 772s and 773s which are (relative) oddballs in their fleet. While the 773 have been done up to 77W standard, IF QF was to go down the 777 route (Air India will fly to Australia before that happens) EK might dump those onto them, but their precious 77Ws aren't going anywhere.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 75, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15190 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 72):
The fact that OEB is getting a cabin reconfig next month tells me that some of the older B744s will be sticking around.

Unless QF can source other aircraft they simply can't reduce the B744 fleet down to 9.

What's the average age of the remaining B744's? I was under the impression the remaining frames are 1990's built frames & require heavy maintenance at some point. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 74):
EK still have some 772s and 773s which are (relative) oddballs in their fleet.

Odd balls indeed & not sure "if" QF would be keen on the idea. We all know QF ain't a big fan of old technology.

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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15118 times:

Has anyone heard that QF might be keeping the 788's for QF international now? From what I have heard, the EK partnership might be looking at swaying the thought of the 788's go to JQ.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 77, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15161 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 76):
Has anyone heard that QF might be keeping the 788's for QF international now? From what I have heard, the EK partnership might be looking at swaying the thought of the 788's go to JQ.

I doubt it...

“We are investing more than $100 million in infrastructure to support the Dreamliner including training facilities for our pilots and cabin crew, as well as equipment to maintain the aircraft – plus the jobs needed to support this infrastructure.”

Jetstar Group CEO Jayne Hrdlicka said Jetstar’s first 787 is due to arrive in Australia at the end of September 2013 with a further two aircraft joining the fleet by the end of the year.

“Jetstar will be the first airline in Australia and New Zealand, and the first low cost carrier in Asia Pacific, to operate the Boeing 787. Our customers are going to love it,” Ms Hrdlicka said.

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...-into-place-for-jetstars-first-787

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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15084 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 77):

True I guess, but stranger things have happened.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 79, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15102 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 78):
stranger things have happened

I'm afraid that I don't believe this rumor. Among other things, the cabin furnishings etc are already in place. This means that the Y seats won't have IFE and the "J" seats could, at best, be used as Y+

The capital costs of finding all new seats at short notice would be higher than you would imagine.

That also ignores crew training etc.



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15116 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 79):

I should clarify, I dont believe what I heard either, but it came from someone who works somewhere with in one of these airlines and kinda hinted at it. So I was wondering if someone else had heard anything.


User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15025 times:

Actually the plan is for JQs B788s to have in seat IFE in both classes. I'm assuming it will be a Panasonic system similar to the current QF one.

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Reply 82, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14897 times:

MEL masterplan 2013 draft is out.

Out of everything in it - semi-firm dates for 3rd runway 9R/27L - at the latest in operation by 2022. Will be arrivals-focused and with the 3rd runway in operation the maximum capacity of the runways will be 380,000 movements p/a. (near double current usage).

updated 5 & 20 year terminal layout plans in this PDF: http://melbourneairport.com.au/docs/...ryDraft_s6_Airside_development.pdf


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 83, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14852 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 81):

Actually the plan is for JQs B788s to have in seat IFE in both classes. I'm assuming it will be a Panasonic system similar to the current QF one.

I take it this will ensure an easy transition from JQ to QF mainline. How will this work with JQ's low cost model?

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User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14827 times:

Perhaps the JQ in seat B787 IFE will have a credit card swipe to activate?

Some of the newer build JQ A332s have in seat IFE.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 85, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14786 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 84):

Perhaps the JQ in seat B787 IFE will have a credit card swipe to activate?

Some of the newer build JQ A332s have in seat IFE.

I totally forgot the newer build A332's have in seat IFE. I'm looking forward to seeing the new product offerings on the B787.

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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14673 times:

Looks like VH-EBF has headed to BNE for reconfiguration today. I've flown on this bird in JQ colours 2 or 3 times to Honolulu.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHEBF


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 87, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14588 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 86):

Great to see the A332 fleet returning to mainline   it's picking up momentum and before we know it JQ will be accepting delivery of their 1st B788

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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14591 times:

Yes Ben175, and EBE is also still here as well testing it engines out.It has been doing several engine run ups over the past week.

Changing the subject we also had Fiji Airways new 332 in during the daylight on Monday after the flight was delayed from the night before.

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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 89, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14346 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 86):
Looks like VH-EBF has headed to BNE for reconfiguration today. I've flown on this bird in JQ colours 2 or 3 times to Honolulu.

So does that mean EBS, EBQ and now EBF... wow we are really getting them back! 1 788 in exchange for 3 A332's I can deal with that 



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User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14326 times:

No I think EBF is just having a check.

The first few A332s back to QF will be EBQ, EBR, and EBS as these are the newest and already feature the in seat IFE system.

The other "older" JQ A332s will require a complete cabin overhaul and IFE installation before returning to QF domestic.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 91, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14205 times:

Apparently EBE did fly out to OOL this am as JQ7991,then up to Japan as a scheduled flight.


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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 92, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14090 times:

I was just browsing through schedules and saw that there are no flights available on MEL-BKK for the Jetstar service with everything being 1 stop through Sydney or Singapore. Is this a permanent cancellation?

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 93, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13811 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 88):
Yes Ben175, and EBE is also still here as well testing it engines out.It has been doing several engine run ups over the past week.

Any idea why the aircraft are spending a lot of time BNE under going engine tests?

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 89):
wow we are really getting them back! 1 788 in exchange for 3 A332's I can deal with that

                       

High five!

Quoting vhebb (Reply 90):
The first few A332s back to QF will be EBQ, EBR, and EBS as these are the newest and already feature the in seat IFE system.

Finally QF get some decent equipment upgrade. Certainly ain't looking forward to the return of the odd balls A,B,C,D!!!

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User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13688 times:

I think we will see VH- EBA/B/C/D being the first to get the new A330 upgrades including the new lie flat biz beds as they leave the JQ fleet.

[Edited 2013-05-22 04:59:32]

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 95, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13625 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 94):
I think we will see VH- EBA/B/C/D being the first to get the new A330 upgrades including the new lie flat biz beds as they leave the JQ fleet.

Hopefully QF have a solution regarding the light weight floors on these birds. Any idea as to the design of the seats?

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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 796 posts, RR: 8
Reply 96, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13605 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 95):
Hopefully QF have a solution regarding the light weight floors on these birds. Any idea as to the design of the seats?

I am led to believe that Airbus have never offered lightweight floor beams as an option.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 97, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13606 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 96):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 95):
Hopefully QF have a solution regarding the light weight floors on these birds. Any idea as to the design of the seats?

I am led to believe that Airbus have never offered lightweight floor beams as an option.

ThomasCook

The 1st 4 x A332's -EBA, B, C, & D delivered NEW to QF have the lighter flooring option.

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User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13583 times:

I have also been led to believe that the light floor "rumour" is not true?

Anyway QF have already announced that ALL A330s will be fitted with lie flat beds in biz and a new Y class product.

I can only assume any flooring problems with EBA/B/C and D are a non issue and will not effect any installation of the new product.

Cheers


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 99, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13561 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 98):
I have also been led to believe that the light floor "rumour" is not true?

Anyway QF have already announced that ALL A330s will be fitted with lie flat beds in biz and a new Y class product.

I can only assume any flooring problems with EBA/B/C and D are a non issue and will not effect any installation of the new product.

Hopefully I'm wrong and your predictions are correct as I'll love to see a consistant product across the A330 fleet opposed to having 4 x odd balls with a slightly modified product offering.

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User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13555 times:

According to the announcement all A330s both the 300 and 200 versions will feature the same upgraded cabin product:

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...releases/qantas-group-fleet-update

One of the purposes of the upgrade is to provide a consistent product across the entire A330 fleet.

Thanks


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 13360 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 98):
I have also been led to believe that the light floor "rumour" is not true?

I've read that, but the end result is the same - reconfiguration to a normal J class is not cost effective.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 102, posted (1 year 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 13020 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 100):
According to the announcement all A330s both the 300 and 200 versions will feature the same upgraded cabin product:

I was aware of that, however I was just curious how they would accomplish this with lighter floors. Cheers.

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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12703 times:

Hi, today I saw an Alliance aircraft in their hanger at PER with a slightly different livery that what I've seen previously. It was the same tail, but the body had a cheat line, and almost looked business jet like (also a bit of a retro look). I have to say it was much better than their normal livery.

Is this just a one off? A new livery? A retro scheme?

I did grab a quick low-quality photo with my phone. I'll be happy to upload it here later if anyone wants to see it.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 104, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12691 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 102):

Quoting vhebb (Reply 100):
According to the announcement all A330s both the 300 and 200 versions will feature the same upgraded cabin product:

I was aware of that, however I was just curious how they would accomplish this with lighter floors. Cheers.

Light floors aren't an issue because they don't exist.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 105, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12603 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 100):
Quoting thegeek (Reply 101):
Quoting qf002 (Reply 104):

Thanks for the details always good to clarify. Now bring on the A330 reconfiguration program! Any indications as to what the new configure might look like?

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 103):
did grab a quick low-quality photo with my phone. I'll be happy to upload it here later if anyone wants to see it

Photos are always welcome  

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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 106, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12556 times:
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Quoting qf002 (Reply 104):
Light floors aren't an issue because they don't exist.

I don't always keep track of fleet issues as much as others here and I was missing-in-action for some of the acquisition of the A330's.

However, I seem to remember hearing that some of the A330's are HGW - which should give the aircraft, at least nominally, a range in excess of 7000 nm.

Can anyone confirm that - or have I gone doolalley?

TIA

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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 107, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12550 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 103):

The 2 Alliance Fokker 70's from Air Panama have kept their thick cheat line with the red part of the cheat line changed to blue.

The 2nd one is now out of the hangar at BNE as well.


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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12529 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 106):
However, I seem to remember hearing that some of the A330's are HGW - which should give the aircraft, at least nominally, a range in excess of 7000 nm.

Some of the most recent JQ frames have the 238t MTOW. At least the first six have the 233t MTOW. I don't think there are any A332s in QF's fleet above (or below) 233t MTOW, but I'm open to correction on that one.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 109, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12398 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 107):
The 2 Alliance Fokker 70's from Air Panama have kept their thick cheat line with the red part of the cheat line changed to blue.

That would be it. Thanks. I wish Alliance changed their entire fleet to that livery, looked quite a bit better in my opinion!

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1222 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12412 times:

Does anyone know what the future is for VH-VBY? The caption on the following photo indicates that she has ended her service. In the past, Virgin Blue 737-700s have gone to Southwest and Aerolineas Argentinas. http://bit.ly/198Syao


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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12347 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 110):

Also, why did they repaint it ahead of so many of the B738 when they were only going to get rid of it?


User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12352 times:

Ex JQ now QF A332 VH-EBS has now returned from repainting in MNL and will enter QF domestic service shortly.

QF B763 VH-ZXF will be retired from service at the end of this month. (May)

Thanks


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12379 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 110):
In the past, Virgin Blue 737-700s have gone to Southwest and Aerolineas Argentinas.

A few have gone to SAS as well, however, for VH-VBY, I think the photographer has got it wrong.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVBY

It's still flying around.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 114, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11969 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 105):
Now bring on the A330 reconfiguration program! Any indications as to what the new configure might look like?

QF is being so cruel making us wait so long! The first aircraft won't be flying for another 18 months and all we know thus far is 'lie-flat' in J...

Quoting thegeek (Reply 108):
Quoting mariner (Reply 106):
However, I seem to remember hearing that some of the A330's are HGW - which should give the aircraft, at least nominally, a range in excess of 7000 nm.

Some of the most recent JQ frames have the 238t MTOW. At least the first six have the 233t MTOW. I don't think there are any A332s in QF's fleet above (or below) 233t MTOW, but I'm open to correction on that one.

VH-EBQ onwards are HGW (6 leased frames). Four of these are at JQ, the other two (now including EBS) are QF domestic.

I also thought that QF's domestic A332s were derated, though I can't remember where I heard that.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 111):
Also, why did they repaint it ahead of so many of the B738 when they were only going to get rid of it?

Probably because it was in the special blue livery. It was painted almost 18 months ago so it's not as though its only just been repainted.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 115, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11801 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 114):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 105):
Now bring on the A330 reconfiguration program! Any indications as to what the new configure might look like?

QF is being so cruel making us wait so long! The first aircraft won't be flying for another 18 months and all we know thus far is 'lie-flat' in J...

I agree, that's why I believe the NEW flat beds have been redesigned to be fitted across the entire A330 fleet.

Qantas has been tight lipped regarding the 5 x B717 2 class configuration too.

EK413



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11451 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 115):
I agree, that's why I believe the NEW flat beds have been redesigned to be fitted across the entire A330 fleet.

the options are still being looked at... its going to make QF have the best on-board experience for a domestic airline anywhere in the world, Combining with the brand new business class service that will be done on 'east-west' flights, 2015 will be QF's year!!! I cant say much more....



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 117, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11394 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 116):
the brand new business class service that will be done on 'east-west' flights

Excuse my ignorance, but is there any reason that the new service is only being offered one way? As I understand it, it's available on flights toPER, but not from PER.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 118, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11395 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 116):
the options are still being looked at... its going to make QF have the best on-board experience for a domestic airline anywhere in the world, Combining with the brand new business class service that will be done on 'east-west' flights, 2015 will be QF's year!!! I cant say much more....

        

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 117):
Excuse my ignorance, but is there any reason that the new service is only being offered one way? As I understand it, it's available on flights toPER, but not from PER.

The NEW East-West service will be offered in both directions.   T minus 3 days to launch  

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User currently offlinetim From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 705 posts, RR: 3
Reply 119, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11324 times:

VH-EBS was in Perth today.

User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11267 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 118):

the options are still being looked at... its going to make QF have the best on-board experience for a domestic airline anywhere in the world,

Will it be better than the new American Airlines A321 service with Suites and 102 seats altogether? If Qantas gets A321s for its mainline fleet that will be a very comfortable coast to coast service.


User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11212 times:

My opinion is the A330 fleet should be split into a domestic and international sub-fleet. The international sub-fleet should operate the exact same J product found on the A380, while a more "regional" lie-flat (think VA) should be used on the domestic aircraft.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 122, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11197 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 120):
Will it be better than the new American Airlines A321 service with Suites and 102 seats altogether? If Qantas gets A321s for its mainline fleet that will be a very comfortable coast to coast service.

Considering the product won't be fitted until the end of 2014 I am led to believe it will have the wow factor & far more superior than VA.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 121):

My opinion is the A330 fleet should be split into a domestic and international sub-fleet. The international sub-fleet should operate the exact same J product found on the A380, while a more "regional" lie-flat (think VA) should be used on the domestic aircraft.

I disagree. Fitting one product offering across both the A332/A333 fleet will provide QF the flexibility of deploying capacity where & when needed with consistent product offered.

EK413

[Edited 2013-05-25 04:27:36]


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 123, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10862 times:

I've been monitoring SYD arrivals / departures & came across a QF A380 ferry flight QF6007 VH-OQJ. Any indication why an A380 would ferry MEL to SYD when they would require 2 x frames for the QF93 & QF9?

http://fr24.com/QFA6007

EK413

[Edited 2013-05-25 17:20:26]


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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 124, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10751 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 117):
Excuse my ignorance, but is there any reason that the new service is only being offered one way? As I understand it, it's available on flights toPER, but not from PER.

no its both ways!

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 121):
My opinion is the A330 fleet should be split into a domestic and international sub-fleet. The international sub-fleet should operate the exact same J product found on the A380, while a more "regional" lie-flat (think VA) should be used on the domestic aircraft.

No, the skybed really needs to go, its product is nearly coming up to 12years old by the time the first newly config'd A330 comes out, yes I know we have SkyBed Mk2 but its not the same as some of the other products out there today.

I think having the one product on ALL A330's offers the flexibility to use those aircraft across the whole "Short Haul come 2015" network.



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10749 times:

[quote=alangirvan,reply=120]Will it be better than the new American Airlines A321 service with Suites and 102 seats altogether? If Qantas gets A321s for its mainline fleet that will be a very comfortable coast to coast service.

Can you really compare a A321 to a A330??

And remember the A321's will have 3 class of service, unlike QF with 2, so I think you will find that it will be quiet tight in those A321's..... give me a QF A330 anyday



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 126, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10709 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 120):
Will it be better than the new American Airlines A321 service with Suites and 102 seats altogether?

Well, I expect Y to be the same. After all, Y is Y. The AA frames will have AVOD, and USB and power at every seat. I'm not sure that QF would go down the in-seat power route (seemingly very few non-US airlines do) but I would expect AVOD and USB as a minimum.

J, IMHO, will be better. AA are using the BE Diamond, of CO, UA, CA. The seat is an accountants dream: you can really cram them in. This is why it was chosen by CO (for the 757), AA (for the 321), and UA (so that they could go 8 abreast on the 777). While it isn't that wide the width of the seat isn't a huge problem, but the length isn't great. My mum who is 6'0" couldn't sleep comfortably on it, she said that she was too tall. Also she said that it felt fairly cramped (although she said the same about the SQ (now VA) J seat as well, so maybe she's just picky!). All up, I'm of the opinion that the Diamond isn't a great product, and that QF's (and even VA's current one) will be superior.

F is obviously irrelevant, but - for the record - don't let the glossy pictures dazzle you. The F "suite" is only the CX J seat.

As for soft product, well we don't need to say anything there... Only that with the new international menu I full agree with JQflightie's statement.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 124):
no its both ways!

Thank god for that! I could have sworn that I read on AusBT that it was only one way, but I've just gone back and re-read the article. Clearly I imagined it!



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10801 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 113):

She was supposed to be removed from service after that photo was taken, but operational requirements changed due to a 737-800 maintaince issue, so she may fly a little longer. Her fate has been sealed by VA and soon, she will go. Thats going to be a sad day.


User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10720 times:

I have just found out that the sale for VH-VBY has fallen through, she will remain with VA! 

User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 129, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10699 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 128):
I have just found out that the sale for VH-VBY has fallen through

Who was she supposed to go to?



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 130, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10662 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 126):
Thank god for that! I could have sworn that I read on AusBT that it was only one way, but I've just gone back and re-read the article. Clearly I imagined it!

lol that would just confuse us crew way too much!         



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10640 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 128):
I have just found out that the sale for VH-VBY has fallen through, she will remain with VA!

Are VA getting rid of all their 737-700s?


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10606 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 125):
And remember the A321's will have 3 class of service, unlike QF with 2, so I think you will find that it will be quiet tight in those A321's..... give me a QF A330 anyday

I think it is FOUR classes, is it not? Suites and First, and Premium and 30 Tourist seats. This will be a Shuttle service, high frequency coast to coast. Compare A321 vs A330? Well individual seats are what you compare - the privacy you get in a suite. A321 Tourist seats would give bit better width than the 757s or 738s that AA may have previously used, but with only 30 seats Tourists are not the main reasons for operating these planes. (Thought - if Qantas reintroduces the A330 on LAX-JFK the A332 would compete against a Qantas codeshare on these AA A321s, and Qantas will be putting people onto LAX-IAD, LAX-BOS, so I wonder how the AA planes will match with Qantas booking classes)


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 133, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10582 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 132):
Premium

Not really "premium" though. It is the American concept of "Premium Economy" which is simply more legroom. You get 5 inches more legroom, but the same seat width and same service (DL provides complimentary premium drinks, but that's the exception).

The US carriers are better described as 3.5 class rather than 4, and even the .5 is generous IMHO

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 132):
A321 Tourist seats would give bit better width than the 757s or 738s that AA may have previously
AA previously used 767s on these routes.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 132):
I wonder how the AA planes will match with Qantas booking classes

Exactly the same as now. J will go to J (A for non-JFK routes), F (if sold) will go to F, Y and W will both go to Y.

Buying W on QF does not entitle you to "Main Cabin Extra" (a really stupid and clunky term). If you are an OW elite you can select MCE seats free of charge (regardless of whether booked in W or Y) otherwise you can purchase them.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 132):
the A332 would compete against a Qantas codeshare on these AA A321s, and Qantas will be putting people onto LAX-IAD, LAX-BOS, so I wonder how the AA planes will match with Qantas booking classes

Incidentally I'm not sure what you mean, as this already happens?

[Edited 2013-05-25 22:09:11]


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 134, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10495 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 124):
no its both ways!
Quoting JQflightie (Reply 130):
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 126):
Thank god for that! I could have sworn that I read on AusBT that it was only one way, but I've just gone back and re-read the article. Clearly I imagined it!

lol that would just confuse us crew way too much!

It seems my post went unnoticed  
Quoting EK413 (Reply 118):
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 117):
Excuse my ignorance, but is there any reason that the new service is only being offered one way? As I understand it, it's available on flights toPER, but not from PER.

The NEW East-West service will be offered in both directions. T minus 3 days to launch

EK413



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 135, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10446 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 133):
Quoting alangirvan (Reply 132):
the A332 would compete against a Qantas codeshare on these AA A321s, and Qantas will be putting people onto LAX-IAD, LAX-BOS, so I wonder how the AA planes will match with Qantas booking classes

Incidentally I'm not sure what you mean, as this already happens?

I mean that the new product Qantas A332 would directly compete against AA operated A321, QF codeshare flights on LAX-JFK. You might expect anyone flying JFK-SYD to be on Qantas for the whole journey, and widebody would be part of the attraction. The Qantas new product is going to be great, but the AA product is going to be what everyone will watch to see how it goes. Even the US Travel Market might find such a premium configuration just too novel, and AA might be operating the aircraft with standard two class interiors in five years time.

I just think it so topsy turvy - only a few years ago, the major US carriers were operating widebodies on their transcons. Now it is A320s and 738s, with high frequency. Only a few years ago, Australian transcons were all single aisle, services, now they are widebodies - a smaller market. What is happpening?


User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10364 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 129):

I don't have that info at the moment, once I find out, I will pass it on.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 131):

Yes, from what I hear they want to use all 737-800's as their fleet plan for a while. But I assume it will be a while until the 737-700's all go.


User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 718 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10320 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 114):
I also thought that QF's domestic A332s were derated, though I can't remember where I heard that.

The original four were derated for domestic use, up until they went to JQ.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 138, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10195 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 121):
My opinion is the A330 fleet should be split into a domestic and international sub-fleet. The international sub-fleet should operate the exact same J product found on the A380, while a more "regional" lie-flat (think VA) should be used on the domestic aircraft.

As above the product will be consistent across the whole A330 fleet (this has been confirmed by QF), but your post actually got me thinking about what QF's plan for their seats might be long term.

Will we see a top of the line international grade seat in the A330s, which then gets fitted to the A380s (starting from the next delivery in 2016-17) and the 787s, or will we see some division between long haul and regional, with a new product for the A380s/787s and a more 'economical' (ie more crowded) A330 product?

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 126):
Thank god for that! I could have sworn that I read on AusBT that it was only one way, but I've just gone back and re-read the article. Clearly I imagined it!

It was rolled out to east-west flights a few days before west-east flights, perhaps that's what you're thinking of?

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 133):
The US carriers are better described as 3.5 class rather than 4, and even the .5 is generous IMHO

I agree. To me, Y+ is no different to paying for exit row seating on any other carrier -- you're still in the same class of service, just with a little extra space.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 135):
I mean that the new product Qantas A332 would directly compete against AA operated A321, QF codeshare flights on LAX-JFK

How so? LAX-JFK was upped back to a 744 almost a year ago.

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 137):
Quoting qf002 (Reply 114):
I also thought that QF's domestic A332s were derated, though I can't remember where I heard that.

The original four were derated for domestic use, up until they went to JQ.

Thank you -- I take it that the entire fleet is now back at delivered weight then?


User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 718 posts, RR: 1
Reply 139, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10004 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 138):
Thank you -- I take it that the entire fleet is now back at delivered weight then?

I believe they were delivered at the lower weights and upgraded as they were transferred to Jetstar for international use. EBA-D were delivered as -201s and upgraded to -202s. QPA-C were originally delivered in a domestic configuration as -301s. They have since been upgraded to -303s. These changes are supported by viewing the photo database.

There is some photos in the database showing the newer A332s are -203s. I am not an expert on the topic though I do believe they have higher weights again.


User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9995 times:

So on another forum somebody posted Nearmaps pictures of the Virgin Pier/A380 gate at PER taken on March 3 and May 13. Not surprisingly, there has literally been NOTHING done in 2 months except for a slab of tarmac being laid and a few more support beams being raised.

This is becoming an absolute joke.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1222 posts, RR: 1
Reply 141, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10009 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 128):

I have just found out that the sale for VH-VBY has fallen through, she will remain with VA!

Good! I love VA's 737-700s and the new livery looks perfect on them. I hope they stay in the fleet as long as economically possible. I wonder where VH-VBY nearly got sold to....



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User currently offlineDeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9686 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 126):
Thank god for that! I could have sworn that I read on AusBT that it was only one way, but I've just gone back and re-read the article. Clearly I imagined it!

You didn't imagine it, and I quote: "Sydney-Perth, Melbourne-Perth and Brisbane-Perth flights will be built around a range of of small and main plates as well as ‘small bite’ starters, although flights from Perth will continue to offer Qantas' standard inflight fare." See: http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-adds-...ernational-dining-to-perth-flights

Also the airline's own press release reads the same way...

[Edited 2013-05-26 20:34:48]

User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 143, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9612 times:

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 142):
You didn't imagine it

Aahhh! Thank you! I don't feel so stupid anymore. That's a different article to the one that I "re-read", but seeing it now that's definitely where I saw it.



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9479 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 141):

VBV was also supposed to go to the same place, but the sale got canned because VA didnt want to do the next check.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 145, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9109 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 140):

I wish PER management would get a nice kick up their rear end!

http://www.seeperthairporttransform.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/header-filler.jpg
http://www.seeperthairporttransform....ws/newsletters-and-media-releases/

http://www.carry-on.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Overview_pier_low-res_Aug.png

http://www.carry-on.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/New-domestic-pir_exterior-view_night.png

http://www.carry-on.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/New-departures-hall_A380-gates.jpg
Gate 51 will become Perth Airport’s first Airbus A380 capable gate. Image: Perth Airport

http://www.carry-on.com.au/tag/perth-airport/

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2008/05/01/va1237511732124/6015897.jpg

By 2020 & beyond


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 146, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9075 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 140):
So on another forum somebody posted Nearmaps pictures of the Virgin Pier/A380 gate at PER taken on March 3 and May 13. Not surprisingly, there has literally been NOTHING done in 2 months except for a slab of tarmac being laid and a few more support beams being raised.

This is becoming an absolute joke.
A380 capable gate under construction at PER


VA Concourse


PER International Terminal Expansion works


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 147, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8956 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 146):

A380 capable gate under construction at PER

I was under impression that the A380 capable gate would be at bay 51 (not 53-56 that the pic shows). The development in the first pic is just the expansion where the new immigration hall will be and the expanded baggage claim and customs hall will be.

In the pics, bay 51 has had no development, but this week, the bay seems to have been closed down for good with some works on the tarmac beginning there (doesn't seem like complete resurfacing rather works on where a larger aerobridge will go.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 148, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8722 times:

This morning SYD was fog bound which resulted in some interesting diversions to BNE and CBR, and is having ripple effects throughout the system. I know somebody who is on QF521 BNE-SYD and they are currently delayed by 65 minutes.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/we...elaying-travel-20130528-2n86x.html
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-...-to-sydney-fog-20130528-2n88k.html

This is especially exciting for CBR, which received QF128 HKG (744), QF130 PVG (330), QF568 PER (330), VA572 PER (330), QF118 WLG (73H), VA803 MEL (73H), VA504 OOL (E90) + a "mystery" VA A330 (VA9021). The Canberra Times reports that this aircraft came from WLG, and with that flight number I'm guessing it was a ferry flight.

A 747 and 4 A330s at CBR would have been quite a sight. Had I know sooner then I would have headed out the airport this morning to gawk at them!


BNE received QF108 LAX (744), QF22 NRT (744), UA839 LAX (744), UA863 SFO (744), VA2 LAX (77W), BA15 SIN (77W), CX111 (330), SB140 NOU (320), QF50 AKL (73H), JQ953 CNS (320), VA1408 CNS (E90).

QF8 took 2:30 to get from BNE to SYD this morning (2:50 gate to gate).



QF 747 @ CBR (courtesy Canberra Times)



Fog @ SYD (courtesy Sydney Morning Herald)



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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 149, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8669 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 145):
I wish PER management would get a nice kick up their rear end!

It really is a shame that our of the majors, PER is easily the worst airport in Australia. The Virgin pier, the multi-story carpark and the A380 gate all needed to have been built by now. PER should now be looking at consolidating QF into the precinct and expanding runway capacity, not still at square 1 with a plan that has been around for years. They just need to get on with it and do something rather than keep on planning to do things!


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 150, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8664 times:

Given that it wasn't mentioned in the linked articles I didn't even think of looking into diversion to MEL. They were:

SQ221 SIN (388), QF12 LAX (388), QF6 SIN (744), TG475 BKK (744), PR211 MNL (77W), QF82 SIN (330), QF42 CGK (330), CX161 HKG (330), MH133 KUL (330), VN773 SGN (330), MU561 PVG (330)


Also, in addition to the list above VA50 AKL (73H) diverted to CBR as well.



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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 151, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8666 times:

In other news, QF have just made an announcement re upgrading their facilities etc in PER along with expansion into the other domestic terminal.

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...r-investments-in-western-australia

No new gates out of this though. It's interesting because the more QF spends at the current domestic terminal the less likely it is that they'll want to move anywhere when and if PER gets around to constructing space in the International precinct for them.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 152, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8703 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 148):
a "mystery" VA A330 (VA9021)

VA9021 is just the flight number of the positioning flight for VH-XFB back to SYD, so it is the same aircraft as VA572, so there should only be 3 A330's in CBR.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8692 times:

How many 767s do Qantas have in int'l config? I count 4: OGR, OGS, OGT, OGU.

Why do they need so many to just operate to HNL and NOU (only occassionally)? I would have thought they might take the opportunity of the recent 'refresh' to cut back to two in int'l config, unless there are some routes I am missing?

Perhaps they keep some to allow 330 substitution at the last minute?


User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8672 times:

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 153):
How many 767s do Qantas have in int'l config? I count 4: OGR, OGS, OGT, OGU.

Why do they need so many to just operate to HNL and NOU (only occassionally)? I would have thought they might take the opportunity of the recent 'refresh' to cut back to two in int'l config, unless there are some routes I am missing?

Perhaps they keep some to allow 330 substitution at the last minute?

My guess would be to allow for maintenance, or for substitution on the SYD-HNL route. The reliability of these old birds would be not so great, so instead of having to use a domestic 763 to HNL they have some spare international 763s.

[Edited 2013-05-27 20:58:15]

User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8677 times:

I would assume with QF eventually moving into Perth's T3 they would pick up all the current VA gates?

User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8643 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 148):
This is especially exciting for CBR, which received QF128 HKG (744), QF130 PVG (330), QF568 PER (330), VA572 PER (330), QF118 WLG (73H), VA803 MEL (73H), VA504 OOL (E90) + a "mystery" VA A330 (VA9021). The Canberra Times reports that this aircraft came from WLG, and with that flight number I'm guessing it was a ferry flight.

That's a bit unexpected. So they brought in customs at CBR or held the international customers on the plane, or something else?


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 157, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8640 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 156):
So they brought in customs at CBR or held the international customers on the plane

From the photo of the QF 747 above it looks like they parked on the Fairbairn ramp rather than at the terminal. That makes me think that the passengers probably remained on the aircraft while they were on the ground, although I guess it's possible that they were bussed.

Don't forget that CBR does have a Customs and AQIS presence, although this is mostly for military/diplomatic traffic (think the RAAF 737BBJ) so I doubt they could deal with a 747!



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 158, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8626 times:

[quote=vhebb,reply=155]I would assume with QF eventually moving into Perth's T3 they would pick up all the current VA gates?

Yes, QF + Group, will be operating that whole terminal come next year, this includes the bridges and stand-off bays in T3.

VA's new terminal which will be between the new 'terminal' 2 and international is currently being constructed.... or something is happening there...

T3 in the check-in area has commenced minor cosmetic changes such as 'tiled(fake)' flooring ect.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 159, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8580 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 155):

I would assume with QF eventually moving into Perth's T3 they would pick up all the current VA gates?

Well, first they'll move some operations (as announced), with some QantasLink and Jetstar coming. There is space for them, seeing as Skywest, Alliance and Tiger have moved. And then when VA eventually move, Qantas Group will be the sole operation at T3.

However, T3 only has 4 aerobridges, and in peak times, VA does use all of them (morning and late evening), so I expect most of the Qantaslink and Jetstar services to be bus services in peak hours.

-CXfirst



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