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Possible CSeries Order By EasyJet  
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12678 posts, RR: 35
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 30784 times:

This news just came in:

> EasyJet's fleet replacement order will not just be from Airbus or Boeing but will also include the CSeries.
> Sub-150 seater needed for routes with low passenger demand.
> Order could be officially announced during the Bourget airshow.
> Also talks about an Air Canada order for 100+ planes with the possible inclusion of the CSeries; to be announced in the coming months.

Article in French here.


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 30770 times:

Sweet! Please God let it turn into reality. I can't help but think, however, that they are probably only half-serious at best about the type, but perhaps I'm being a little harsh and cynical?


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User currently offlinePugman211 From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 30695 times:
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Interesting, EasyJet are still taking new A320 aircraft.

User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 30675 times:

Great, would love to see some more orders for the CSeries! Wouldn't mind seeing a few here at MAN  


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User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 30328 times:

Would not surprise me - they don't need the range of the A319neo on most of their routes, and the lighter CSeries should kill the neo economically intra-Europe. They should also be able to get the CSeries earlier than a neo, due to the neo having sold so well.

I do see the A320neo/ 737 - MAX 8 in U2's future though....


User currently offlinePaolo92 From Italy, joined Oct 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 30052 times:

Nice to see that the CSeries is back among the options for easyJet's fleet replacement!
I say back, because it was already disclosed by McCall that the options they were looking at were Airbus, Boeing and Bombardier. Then since november last year, every article concerning the easyJet fleet replacement only mentioned Airbus and Boeing!
The CS300XCS (eXtra Capacity Seating) is comparable to the U2 A319s at 156 seats.



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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3047 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 29961 times:

Interesting if this did happen, but I am not too sure it will any time soon...

I have read earlier this week, that easyJet are unlikely to place any orders until towards the end of the year, as they will have a fight in their hands with Stelios, who is against growth and wants to instead focus on maximising the profits of the business.

Also I have read on here and in other news articles, that easyJet has previously regretted purchasing the A319, and would rather focus on an aircraft in the 150-200 seat market, hence why we are seeing the growth of the A320 in the fleet...

These articles have previously stated the operating costs of the A319 compared to the A320 are negligible for the airline, and the extra seats they can sell on busy flights, far out weighs the empty seats on quieter flights that they might be able to fill on an A319 compared to an A320.

Initially when the A319's were ordered, easyJet's business model was to fly aircraft in the 150 seat range, hence why they were flying 737-300/700's at the time. But as they have seen their business grow and have followed the trend with other Low Cost Carriers that now consider the 737-800 and A320, as the standard for this sector of the airline industry.


User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 29914 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 6):
ut as they have seen their business grow and have followed the trend with other Low Cost Carriers that now consider the 737-800 and A320, as the standard for this sector of the airline industry.

So why not go one step further and go 739/321?


User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 29904 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 6):
These articles have previously stated the operating costs of the A319 compared to the A320 are negligible for the airline

That may be true, but on most of their sectors, the CSeries should handily beat the A320neo in terms of efficiency, so unless you are filling the extra 30-odd seats, the CSeries makes sense (ignoring fleet commonality etc for now!).


User currently offlinePaolo92 From Italy, joined Oct 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 29830 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 6):

The point is, if they actually take the CS300, it will have the same CASM as a 180-seat A320neo, while having a substantially lower trip cost and lower fuel burn.
They currently have 155x A319 (156-seat) and 57x A320 (180-seat) +13 A320 still on order (source: Airbus).
I guess that even if they will aim at growing in terms of seating capacity, they would still need a 150-160 seat sized aircraft. Otherwise it would be a massive upgauge in capacity.
I think that easyJet could place an order for something like 50 CS300 and 100 A320neo (plus additional option to convert as needed). And if they want to increase further their seat capacity they could add some A321neo....



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User currently offlinearrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 29821 times:

Story in English in Montreal Gazette:

EasyJet hints at CSeries order

MONTREAL— It sounds unusually categorical: easyJet Airline Co., it appears, is about to order some CSeries airliners from Bombardier Inc., perhaps at the Paris air show next month.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/busin...s+CSeries+order/8396899/story.html



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User currently onlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 28603 times:

If this comes true, this will be the equivalent of JetBlue's famous E190 order.

A certain member of this forum will have to put his foot in his mouth when that happens.

GO CSERIES!!!



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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 27880 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 6):
Also I have read on here and in other news articles, that easyJet has previously regretted purchasing the A319, and would rather focus on an aircraft in the 150-200 seat market, hence why we are seeing the growth of the A320 in the fleet...

Well, they've discovered that flying an A320 isn't that much more expensive than an A319, and those extra seats are almost 'free'. Same reason why many airlines go for the 738 rather than the 73G.
It will be different with the CS300 though, it will be a lot cheaper to fly than the A319 and also the A320NEO. So it would make very good sense to have a fleet of CS300's for thinner routes. In the end, I expect the bigger part of U2's fleet to be A320NEO's, but at least 1/3 fleet CS300's       Can´t really imagine U2 ordering the 737MAX   



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 26958 times:

Yes, it seemed curious that U2 bought the 73G/A319 when FR went (exclusively) for the larger 738.

An order for the C series from a respected LCC like U2 would be a massive vote of confidence in the programme, I'm sure U2 could negotiate a very good deal that reflects that...



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User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 25748 times:

Love the variety that this order could provide to the increasingly uniforms fleets at the UK airports.

Interesting that single type, single offering Low Cost carriers are gradually morphing into legacy carriers with mixed fleets and multiple hubs. They;ll be going longhaul soon!


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 25567 times:

A report In the UK press yesterday clearly stated that the 319 is too small for u2 and they are looking towards more 320 sized planes. This of course is totally at odds with this thread.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13436 posts, RR: 100
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25126 times:
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I can only hope this happens. After Bombardier lost some large orders, this could be the game changing order. The C-series needs just *one* large order (50+) to put itself on the map. The type has enough smaller orders to launch from.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):

Sweet! Please God let it turn into reality.

I think we're on the same page.  
Quoting Pugman211 (Reply 2):
Interesting, EasyJet are still taking new A320 aircraft.

I bet they still take A321NEOs. But a reasonably large C-series order will give them *far* more negotiating leverage.

Quoting arrow (Reply 10):
perhaps at the Paris air show next month.

I hoped for a few C-series orders at Paris. I'd be happy with just one large order...

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 11):

If this comes true, this will be the equivalent of JetBlue's famous E190 order.

  

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 15):

A report In the UK press yesterday clearly stated that the 319 is too small for u2

Too small for the per flight costs. G4 (or was it NK?) noted that the A320 has a 14% lower CASM than the A319. As we already known:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 12):
Well, they've discovered that flying an A320 isn't that much more expensive than an A319,

Which is why I'm surprised anyone is ordering the A319NEO as the cost delta will shrink! Same with the -7MAX. Why did WN order that size?

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 13):
I'm sure U2 could negotiate a very good deal that reflects that...

   I hope this deal goes through...

We can now suspect for whom the high density C-series was targeting...

Now to see if any of the rumors of FlyDubai and the C-series pan out... That is the only other large order I've heard potential on since AirAsia turned down the C-series. But that would be announced at the Dubai air show, not Paris...

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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3047 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 24872 times:

Does the C-Series have the range to fly all of easyJet's routes with a full load, in a high density configuration?

For example easyJet flies MAN/LTN-SSH which is around 2500 miles!

The only source I can see is on WIkipedia, where the given maximum range is 2950 miles, but that is highly unlikely to be the range at maximum weight. As the ranges usually quoted are in a lower config and flying in optimum conditions.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13436 posts, RR: 100
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 24793 times:
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Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 17):
Does the C-Series have the range to fly all of easyJet's routes with a full load, in a high density configuration?

   Not yet. There will be range improvements with time and the A319s won't go away quickly.

The C-series save a fortune in fuel. A sub-fleet makes sense. As others have noted, about 1/3rd of their fleet.

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User currently onlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 24062 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 17):
Does the C-Series have the range to fly all of easyJet's routes with a full load, in a high density configuration?

For example easyJet flies MAN/LTN-SSH which is around 2500 miles!

I am quite positive CSeries will not be flown by easyJet on such route, if purchased. That's A320Neo/737MAX - type route, for 180 passenger configuration.



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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 23993 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 19):
For example easyJet flies MAN/LTN-SSH which is around 2500 miles!
I am quite positive CSeries will not be flown by easyJet on such route, if purchased. That's A320Neo/737MAX - type route, for 180 passenger configuration.

Or even A321NEO...   



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13436 posts, RR: 100
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 22917 times:
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Quoting frigatebird (Reply 20):
Or even A321NEO...

Concur. I see U2 upgauging most (if not all future orders) to the A321.

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User currently offlinedforce1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 22705 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
AirAsia turned down the C-series

What happened to this? Why did they get turned down? Is there the possibility of an order in the future now that Air Asia will be going into the competitive Indian and Philippine markets?

What other airlines are potential C-Series customers?


User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 22531 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 17):
Does the C-Series have the range to fly all of easyJet's routes with a full load, in a high density configuration?

No, but it has the range to fly the vast majority of them, hence why it's a serious contender. A320neo/A321neo can cover the other routes which the CSeries can't fly/ require more capacity


User currently onlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 22366 times:

Quoting dforce1 (Reply 22):
What happened to this? Why did they get turned down?

Leahy made Tony F. an offer he could not refuse. Godfather style.

[Edited 2013-05-17 10:59:23]

[Edited 2013-05-17 10:59:47]


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25 Post contains images PlymSpotter : CS100/300 and A320/321NEO... that would be one heck of a fleet. Even if they don't go for the smaller CS100 as well, the CS300 will make a huge differ
26 Post contains links and images lightsaber : When? November: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_11_23_2012_p0-520457.xml There is hope in the future for AirAsia, but not this round
27 JoeCanuck : Even though it makes better headlines to talk about the first -7 sales, in reality, this is a deferral. They put off their original order for 30 -700
28 atct : Also add on BAe-146/ARJ and Fokker operators. atct
29 ElbowRoom : I think it may happen this time. U2 is the kind of progressive airline that might see the value in this and be prepared to take the risk. Bravo if it
30 Post contains images golfradio : I'll believe it when I see the airplane fly in U2 colors. I have a feeling they might just use the CSeries as a bait.
31 dforce1 : Who is the largest operator of Bae-146 aircraft? Have they considered the C-Series yet? I know the Swiss order is to replace their Bae-146 fleet.
32 sweair : C-series is the best choice below 150 seats IMO. But where does a fleet size start to pay in commonality? In these days when every drop of fuel counts
33 Paolo92 : Also Malmo Aviation will replace its whole fleet of Avro RJ with CS100 and 300. During the "investors day" in March, where the FTV1 was showcased, Ni
34 RussianJet : This, of course, is the biggest fear here - that the C Series will purely be used to extract a better deal from the original favourites.
35 KarelXWB : Tony and John are personal friends, I hardly doubt is was "Godfather style".
36 by738 : Fear for who ? The thousands of Airbus (or Boeing) employees will not be fearing it.
37 planemaker : As I mentioned earlier, virtually everyone on here was surprised when AA announced their 65 A319CEO order last month (along with the 65 A321CEO's). C
38 RussianJet : I would have thought it was obvious by implication, but just in case it really does need spelling out - for those of us who are aviation enthusiasts
39 F9animal : I really think the C Series is just starting to get warmed up. I think it will sell like hot cakes!
40 Post contains links queb : From Aspire Aviation: UK’s easyJet likely to defect to Boeing 737 MAX, Bombardier CSeries http://www.aspireaviation.com/2013/0...27/boeing-lost-grou
41 Aither : For utilization, crew, maintenance etc. the capacity to switch 2 aircraft easily is very cost effective. So how a sub fleet would make sense ? to have
42 art : A bit off topic, but why go for a 156 seat aircraft if it needs 1 more flight attendant than a 149 seat aircraft? How many of those last 7 seats on a
43 r2rho : Basically the decision for U2 is whether they want a split fleet or not. If they do, the CSeries is a perfect fit. IMO U2 has reached a fleet size whe
44 Post contains images lightsaber : Deferred orders... Now that makes sense. I guess we'll find out in a few weeks if the order went through... Lightsaber
45 voodoo : I agree and would add... are U2's 319s perhaps a bit more valuable on the used-a/c market than other 319s because of their slightly higher density po
46 YTZ : Agreed. I too fear that this is more a pressure tactic than a genuine buy. Unfortunately, Bombardier has no choice but to be used as a foil if that's
47 JoeCanuck : There will be definite advantages of the CSeries over the 319NEO and -7 MAX. Unlike those two whose economics will not be significantly better than th
48 Post contains images planemaker : Yes, that is a possibility... stranger things have happened. Now, with the addition of 6-9 seats to the -7, the MAX continues chips away at the margi
49 JoeCanuck : ...to no avail, having only the 30 deferred -700 orders from WN, and they are more than likely going to be converted to -8's in the next 5 years when
50 planemaker : The WN dynamic (and the speculation) has no relevance to a possible Easyjet order. Outsold?!? Unlikely?!? AA ordered 65 A319's with CFM56-5B's... jus
51 Post contains images PlymSpotter : It's like chipping away at an iceberg with a pick. If you need more than a handful it's going to be cheaper to run two fleets - commonality only goes
52 YVRLTN : As usual, a certain poster takes every opportunity to bash the C Series. We get it, you dont like BBD... I think this would be a great aircraft for U2
53 Post contains images planemaker : Do you realize what the difference actually is? Not an iceberg... more like a block of ice that melts extremely quickly when fleet commonality, prici
54 Post contains images YVRLTN : More BBD in general I guess - hey, I like EMB's too So hopefully it will win orders on its own merits. I think it will be a great aircraft for LATAM,
55 planemaker : Nope, not even BBD in general... I just use underlying facts and, unfortunately, it doesn't sit well with "rooters." I've been bashed at different ti
56 JoeCanuck : They can get the 319 before anything else since slots are available. It's the NEO it competes with. But they can't seem to sell the planes that direc
57 planemaker : I've already pointed out that the mega-orders for the NEO and MAX are for the most part generic and the model breakdown of the order hasn't been spec
58 JoeCanuck : Prepare to be disappointed.
59 Post contains images planemaker : Nothing to be disappointed about.
60 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I have a thorough understanding of the aircraft and their commercial capabilities. Ultimately, unless you need the extra range/cargo, nothing makes u
61 PW100 : OTH, the dynamics have shifted somewhat now that both the NEO and MAX are virtually sold out for this decade. I would think that Bombardier should ha
62 Post contains images lightsaber : Who else might order the C-series at Paris? I concur on all points. I'm wait and see, but there is far more 'noise' than I saw with Air Asia. I share
63 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Carriers I think are contenders for the C Series in general include: Vueling - CS300. Brussels Airlines - CS100/300. They have 10 RJ100 to replace on
64 Viscount724 : Selling an average of one of those seats should be more than enough. Assuming about 6 sectors a day at an average fare of around $100, that's $600 re
65 Post contains links vfw614 : This pretty much says it all: http://www.aspireaviation.com/2013/0...27/boeing-lost-grounds-all-fronts/ The CS300 allows easyjet to grow to second tie
66 JoeCanuck : There have been so many 'orders' just around the corner for this plane...and some have definitely used it as a bargaining chip, (Air Asia and Qatar ar
67 Post contains images planemaker : Frontier. Frontier. As has been discussed in the press, it will be interesting to see what is done with the "firm" order, especially since the airlin
68 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Thank you. That list is much longer than my personal list... encouraging. Agreed. The -8MAX and A320 NEO cost so little more per flight than the A319
69 Post contains images planemaker : You are forgetting that there are several $million difference in purchase price and financing... absolutely nothing to sneeze at when ordering severa
70 mon : Monarch is another carrier that is looking at the possibility of a significant order.
71 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Personally I think you are confusing 'marketing spin' for not being downbeat and negative. I don't follow these threads religiously, but you appear q
72 KarelXWB : Hmmz, from Twitter: > @Bombardier_Aero indicates that Easyjet is NOT customer that it will announce at #pas13
73 timboflier215 : That's a shame! I fly U2 pretty regularly, and was hoping to get a chance to fly the CSeries. Have to hope easy picks some up a little later on!
74 Paolo92 : What Karel quoted simply means that U2 has not ordered yet, an order at PAS13 is still possible.
75 planemaker : No confusion at all as I am just being realistic. I am not a "fan" of any OEM and call them all out (as I have said earlier, I have been called a bas
76 Post contains images PlymSpotter : You are predicting the 'eventual demise' of a class leading aircraft in a market requiring, by all forecasts, thousands of aircraft. That is highly p
77 planemaker : Given the market dynamics it is not at all. One just has to look at the knife fights between the goliaths... and now a newcomer is trying to play in
78 Post contains images PlymSpotter : That is your opinion, I have my opinion. We will have to disagree there. And of course manufacturers never talk to their customers prior to putting t
79 timboflier215 : Absolutely! Hence:
80 planemaker : Yes, my opinion supported by the facts: in the 5 years since ATO, total CS300 orders stand at only 82 frames... of which the ex-Frontier order for 40
81 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Yes, I know what you are saying. I disagree with your position because I think it is shortsighted and quite narrow minded. Repeating it isn't going t
82 planemaker : I am not trying to change your opinion... I know that it is impossible to change an opinion that ignores facts and that is based on sunny optimism. Y
83 opethfan : This discussion is starting to appear less and less productive with each passing post. Can we leave it to rest agreeing that some of us have more opti
84 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Sunny optimism... well I admit the nice weather here this past weekend has been pleasant, but that doesn't have a bearing on the facts and figures I'
85 Post contains images lightsaber : I never forget that. Boeing and Airbus have a *huge* advantage there, hence why the Canadian government has set up what they have to help. IIRC, limi
86 PW100 : I don't understand how you can state that, when you stated this . . . : Last time I checked, CFM56-5B were not intended to be found on a NEO . . . PW
87 yellowtail : The C series would be a good aircraft for someone like AV or CM....and maybe even Virgin Australia. CM would make a killing with them on routes like P
88 JoeCanuck : The MAX -7 and 319NEO are dead ducks. Airlines were already upsizing before the MAX, NEO and CSeries came along. It's not that the 150ish seat airline
89 planemaker : You simply don't understand. With EIS in late 2016 or early 2017 (A319NEO) and in 2019 (737-7MAX), ~3-4 and 6 years from now, respectively, "dead duc
90 Post contains links JoeCanuck : The CSeries competes against the NEO and MAX...and they don't have slots open for when AA wants the 319's. So do the OEO, -700, MAX-7 and 319NEO. You
91 r2rho : We'll need a bit of patience to find out... why should anyone order the CS300 just now? There is not even a reason to immediately order the CS100 - th
92 Post contains images lightsaber : The C-series is for smaller markets with frequency. IMHO U2 would do very well with a hundred of the type (50 initial order with 50 options later). I
93 CRJ900 : I'm thinking that short-field performance might be a key factor if EZY is looking at the CS300. The CS100 is touted as having excellent short-field pe
94 YTZ : I wonder if planemaker is shorting the stock. Were I to be as confident in my analysis of the market, I'd put my money where my mouth is. I have bough
95 drgmobile : The Air Canada bit I find very interesting. AC already suggested that it may remove the Embraer 190s from its fleet. I've suspected for some time that
96 PW100 : Apparently not . . . Yet it was you who brought up AA order for 65 A319's to counteract the claim that mentioned frames were being outsold. PW100
97 Post contains links queb : Russia's Ilyushin Finance Co. Firms Purchase Agreement for up to 42 Bombardier CSeries Aircraft http://www.bombardier.com/wps/portal...edia-centre?doc
98 YTZ : I am a little more suspicious. The CSeries is perfect for AC in that it lets AC move to two families that are much better optimized. Instead of flyin
99 YTZ : Really curious who they'll place them with.
100 Viscount724 : Where do the new YTZ slots come from? Isn't YTZ already using all available slots, including only 15 for AC (Sky Regional) flights to YUL? Does the Y
101 YTZ : Porter is asking for more slots as part and parcel of expanding YTZ to suport "jets". That said, it's not about reality. AC could do quite well just
102 Post contains images DALCE : Although I can't reveal my source, which is very trustworthy I know for a fact that SWISS will replace their A319's with CS300's. Was this already kno
103 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Definitely. Even considering summer temperatures it should comfortably achieve the 1,500nm range Bombardier quote for shorter runways. That makes per
104 Paolo92 : That's indeed what the CEO of Swiss told reporters in Cape Town a few days ago:
105 ZBBYLW : I agree to a certain extent but I would say instead of 40 321s you would probably see a split of say 15 or so 321s and 25 or so 320s. I would probabl
106 Post contains links drgmobile : I generally agree with the rest of your post... I think we're essentially saying the same thing. On the Embraer 190s, my comments were based on two a
107 Post contains links PhilInBRN : Swiss CEO Hohmeister stated just days ago that LX would initially take delivery of ten CS100. After that the exact spread has yet to be determined, b
108 connies4ever : I'd say that the E190s would most likely be traded into BBD as part of a bulk CS100/300 order. Then they're BBD's problem. The A343s, for example, we
109 Post contains images PlymSpotter : It's not the age, the latter batch are only 12-15 years old. The issue is the fuel consumption now aircraft like the RJ100 isn't the only optimum air
110 Viscount724 : Only HNL-YVR is a redeye. The westbound flight arrives HNL at 6:15 PM. WS is also a redeye from HNL. The return redeye is best for connections. Peopl
111 Post contains links KarelXWB : Last week I heard a rumor about the 737 Max and CSeries being a smokescreen and easyJet would buy Airbus anyway because they don't want to retrain the
112 Post contains images douglasyxz : Makes sense to maintain the aircraft type and also to up-gauge the fleet. The benefit of a competitor's aircraft must be huge in order to satisfy the
113 flyingcello : 100 NEOs still leaves room for the C series...if you look at the size of the Easyjet fleet, 100 new aircraft will probably only cover routine replace
114 opethfan : WS from OGG - YVR is also a red-eye.
115 Post contains images lightsaber : The rumor was only for 50 C-series for U2. A 'starter' if you will. I'm a bit disheartened that there hasn't been a U2/C-series announcement yet, but
116 DALCE : It is, I heard it from top management directly.
117 YTZ : Sadly, I can't see U2 splitting up their ops and getting a second set of crews and maintenance structures. The 320/319 combo let's them use existing
118 queb : Easyjet line & heavy maintenance is outsourced (SR Technics). Engine maintenance & overhaul is also outsourced to GE.[Edited 2013-06-14 16:24
119 Post contains links Paolo92 : Posted it also in the CSeries updates thread, but it fits into this thread: Regarding #Airbus fleet deal, EasyJet says "that's everything" - in other
120 voodoo : Interesting that there is still a.net hope for a U2 C-Series order. Perhaps U2 themselves don't 'know' what to do yet...apart from what they've just d
121 BoeingVista : Which will make the engine choice interesting.
122 lightsaber : If the C-series is "Power by the hour," why not? They've operated two types before and that would give them a *huge* advantage in negotiations for to
123 Bongodog1964 : They have, but only as a result of switching from B to A. When the first A319 arrived in the fleet, it was known that the would eventually replace ev
124 lightsaber : But that told them the costs of a two airliner fleet. And they kept the 737s longer than many predicted. Who would have thought that 2003 through 201
125 r2rho : I still don't rule out the CSeries for U2. 35CEO's + 100 NEO's is not enough to cover all their replacement needs + growth, there will have to be a fo
126 Post contains links planemaker : Easyjet has... easyJet plc Fleet Plans 18 June 2013
127 waly777 : The C-series is completely out of the running for U2, it is NEO all the way. Hopefully someone asks that in an interview and it becomes public knowle
128 dougbr2006 : Agreed are we all missing the point, firm order will be more CEO's to fill the gap until NEO, 100 firm NEO plus 100 options. Easyjet's predicted flee
129 Post contains links flood : David KM of flightglobal tweeted yesterday "Regarding #Airbus fleet deal, EasyJet says "that's everything" - in other words, don't expect a bolt-on o
130 JoeCanuck : For one thing, the CSeries wasn't even in the running because it's too small. They obviously wanted to upsize and were pitting the -8MAX against the 3
131 Post contains images golfradio : The rumours at least (not sure if this was started here on a.net ) were that U2 was looking at a sub-fleet that was optimized for thinner routes as n
132 planemaker : The U2 CSeries sub-fleet was definitely a.net "wishful dreaming." It seems that few recognize that U2's existing A319s will end up becoming that "sub
133 SYDAIRPORTS : If C series numbers are correct, if would be the perfect hub buster aircraft for Australia. Secondary airports at major cities could be used, which ha
134 r2rho : If the Cseries is indeed completely out, it is a strategy shift by U2. Under their current business model (smaller a/c to maintain higher frequencies
135 planemaker : It isn't a "strategy shift" as only 85 A320NEOS's are for A319/A320 replacement... there will still be a chunk of the A319s still in the fleet after
136 YTZ : What? I'd say it most definitely is a significant shift. This is an airline that has less than 60 A320s today. And twice as many A319s. They are orde
137 planemaker : But it isn't a "strategy" shift.
138 YTZ : Upsizing to reduce unit cost, as opposed to using smaller aircraft and increased frequencies is not a strategy shift?
139 planemaker : They have already been "upsizing", so no shift, let alone a "significant shift". Moreover, it is rational to add 30 seats to a market instead of 150
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