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The Next New Design For Boeing Is...?  
User currently offlineflyinghippo From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 39217 times:

With the 787 finally back in the air, and 789 ready for production, I'd imagine Boeing's design team will be busy with new derivatives of 737 and 777 - 737 Max and 777-X families.

While those derivatives will be an improvement on the current 737 and 777s, they're still considered an existing model/design.

Before Boeing introduced the 737 MAX and 777-X, there were discussions of Y1 and Y3, which were supposed to be completely re-designed plan that would replace 737 and 777, based on new technologies learned from 787.

Now that Boeing is focused on new derivatives instead of a brand new design, when do you think Boeing will introduce a brand new designed plane (797)? Would it be a true 757/767 replacement design? Or a brand new VLA (Doubt it)? 777 replacement?

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30986 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 39222 times:
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Boeing's next commercial aircraft will be the NSA / Y1, which will replace the 737MAX family. Boeing preferred to launch NSA instead of the MAX, but the market was not willing to wait once Airbus launched the A320neo.

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 38891 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Boeing's next commercial aircraft will be the NSA / Y1

Boeing sold the 737 Original/Classic for ~30 years, Next Generation for ~20 years, and maybe the Max will recoup the capex even quicker? 15 year separation would still be a 2032 EIS, does that mean no new aircraft for 20 years (787, 2011 EIS)?

2020s will be busy with the 779, 778, 788LR, 77XF, 788F, maybe a 781ER but I would like to see concerted effort put into the X-48/BWB with a larger prototype and maybe even something for military use late in the decade.

tortugamon


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30986 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 38439 times:
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BWB development will probably be driven by the US Department of Defense's need for a new super-heavy lifter to replace the Lockheed C-5 Galaxy, though with the C-5M Super Galaxy entering the fleet, that need may be well into the future.

User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 38347 times:

Whatever it is, you can be sure it will be a twin and have engines under the wings.


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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3074 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 38309 times:

Quoting flyinghippo (Thread starter):
Would it be a true 757/767 replacement design?

I think you meant to say "737". The 787 is already the true 757/767 replacement design.


User currently offlineSoJo From UK - England, joined Nov 2012, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 38135 times:
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Quoting flyingalex (Reply 4):
Whatever it is, you can be sure it will be a twin and have engines under the wings.

Surely in the future, one engine will be enough the way it's going  



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3074 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 38123 times:

Quoting SoJo (Reply 6):
Surely in the future, one engine will be enough the way it's going

Considering the FAA requires diversion to the nearest suitable air field anytime a twin engine loses an engine, I'd doubt it. That would be a pretty short flight. I'm sure a one engine airplane would have a challenge getting 330 minute ETOPS certification too.   Unless of course, you were joking as you should have been.

[Edited 2013-05-20 13:37:50]

User currently offlineSoJo From UK - England, joined Nov 2012, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 38092 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
Unless of course, you were joking as you should have been.

I was  



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User currently offlineflyinghippo From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 37863 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 5):
I think you meant to say "737". The 787 is already the true 757/767 replacement design.

I see 787 more as a 767 replacement, even though 787 is bigger than 767.

757 is sorta replaced by 739ER, but in my mind, there's still no true replacement for 757 until it could fly across the pond with a full load.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 37819 times:

Quoting flyinghippo (Reply 9):
there's still no true replacement for 757

An article on flight global today is suggesting that a 737 Max 8 HGW is in the works. Only need 500 additional nm to match the 752. It obviously would be about 20% smaller but it could get a decent amount of the routes done probably about 25% cheaper to operate. Add that to the list of projects in the 2020's.

tortugamon


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1041 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 37712 times:

The Next New Design for Boeing is...?

18 months late, and the heads of the middle east carriers are irate.

Just kidding, I just felt the need to jump the gun.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 37667 times:

Quoting Prost (Reply 11):
The Next New Design for Boeing is...

Hopefully an update on:



Getting a bit dated, IMHO. Airbus might not like the slogan either!



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11674 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 37631 times:

Perhaps a design with 1 pilot in the cockpit.

Boeing says it is looking at the concept that airliners in the future might have only one pilot on board



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User currently offlinecessna53996 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 37538 times:

I want to see the 757 go back into production!


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User currently offlinePEK777 From China, joined Jun 2012, 148 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 36288 times:

Maybe boeing could restart 757 production and make a 757NG? Do they still have the tooling?

  

Sorry, I had to. It has been at least a week since this has come up.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5465 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 35874 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 10):
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...on-to-hit-bbj-range-target-386097/



What the...?
User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3074 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 35847 times:

Quoting PEK777 (Reply 15):
Maybe boeing could restart 757 production and make a 757NG? Do they still have the tooling?

Remember the recent thread on A.net topics that regularly come up? This one is high on the list. Ranks up there with who will buy AS and when will the last NW DC-9 be retired.

From what I understand, they no longer have the tooling. 757 is an awesome airplane, but so was the 707. Time to move on.


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 35323 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
Perhaps a design with 1 pilot in the cockpit.

Highly unlikely... Perhaps the 737 replacement's replacement, but certainly not Boeing's next clean sheet.



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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 35057 times:

Don't forget that the single pilot design requires cockpit accomodations for the dog.........old joke. Although I'd be willing to bet there will be some sort of T7 NEO along the lines of the 747-8. But I guess thats not a completely new design. So I've gotta go with the 737 replacement. Isn't speculation fun?


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 35034 times:

Quoting cessna53996 (Reply 14):

The 757 is one of the most beautiful birds out there. I'd love to see the 757 get revived with all the bells and whistles (sky interior) that is being lavished on the 737. And to think when Boeing created the 737 it was supposed to be a short range/haul shuttle type plane. Maybe a 757 done like the 747-800 (windows etc.)

Maybe day dreaming here but here are my ideas.

1. HSCT series with a combination Delta and swept wing design.

2. The revival and reboot of the UDF program for short to medium haul routes.

#1 could be a by-product of a military version. Just like the 707 was back in the day. Just saying...

http://www.aee.odu.edu/img/aerosystems/jpg/12_hsct.jpg
http://www.aee.odu.edu/img/aerosystems/jpg/14_northroptlf.jpg



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User currently offlinenomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 34998 times:

Over budget, 3 years late, and with a battery used by Airbus! But it will probably sell very well.

User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 32742 times:

Sonic Cruiser anyone?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30986 posts, RR: 86
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 31410 times:
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Quoting motorhussy (Reply 22):
Sonic Cruiser anyone?

Boeing R&D continues to play with the design based on patent filings over the past decade...


User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 30749 times:

pure fantasy and speculation, I'd like to think...

a) a new focus to reclaim a market share of the sub-150 seater market. Maybe a super efficient turboprop.
b) an all new 737

either way, resources and capital are tied up for the rest of this decade at least with the current programs. 2030 EIS at the earliest for the 737 replacement.


25 cschleic : Or the inflatable autopilot??? Sad but true.
26 BoeingGuy : Unless it's a Blended Wing Body or Sonic Cruiser type airplane. (Just making a general statement here, not that I have any reason to believe such.)
27 Post contains images KELPkid : I have no doubts...the next new design for Boeing is... The 797!!! [Edited 2013-05-20 21:39:24]
28 redzeppelin : I wouldn't be so sure. I wouldn't be surprised to see them skip 797 and give the next new aircraft an 8*8 label. It nicely pays respect to the 787 as
29 Post contains links and images affirmative : When boeing presented the BWB design it was a welcome idea. After further studies I've heard that the pax layout of such a plane would be difficult si
30 Post contains images spantax : I would be delighted. A new A-B battle (ATR belongs largely to EADS-Airbus). And for those who say that demand for such a big turboprop doesn't exist
31 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Why is there even speculation?...this of course! ..... . http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...ing%20747-thumb-560x324-160757.jpg Here is Boeing's ca
32 parapente : In some ways the answer was posted on reply 1! "Boeing's next commercial aircraft will be the NSA / Y1, which will replace the 737MAX family. Boeing p
33 Post contains images NDiesel : What happened to this proposal, the BWB? I believe I read somewhere that the aircraft would be able to use current airport layouts and runways. Imagin
34 Post contains links parapente : http://www.gizmag.com/nasa-x48c-blended-wing/26010/ Ahh yes the x48c! So beautiful (and built in Britain - but designed in the US of course). Would lo
35 Post contains images tortugamon : I agree with your comments parapente. However I am getting so sick of hearing those two words. I want to start a petition to ban them and make people
36 na : 737 replacement by the mid- to late 20s, and a joint 747/777replacement by 2030, thats what I expect.
37 dabpit : Boeing needs a 717 replacement to compete with Bombardier and Embraer. They also need a 757 replacement like a lot of people have been saying possibly
38 N62NA : The brand new designed plane will not be introduced prior to 2040 and sadly, probably half the people reading this will be dead before they get a cha
39 parapente : Yeah. I'm guessing it will be more "evolution" as opposed to "revolution" (which we really haven't had since the jump from props to jets in the late 5
40 drgmobile : No it doesn't actually. Boeing has a strong hold on the larger side of the market and doesn't need to be all things to all people. I always find thes
41 SEPilot : What with all of the McDonnell influence they have probably developed a distinct aversion to new designs. Remember the biggest thing that drove MD und
42 Post contains images DocLightning : What's the 707 replacement? There is none. Honestly, the 757 is the closest. How about the 727 replacement? The 757 kinda fit the bill. What's the A3
43 drgmobile : Again, you're looking narrowly at capacity and not at the mission. It's the mission that's important. The replacement for the 707 was the 747, DC-10
44 affirmative : I'm not sure I agree with the faster aircraft. Mainly because the trend is going more towards lower fares and energy efficiency. Those interested in
45 ghifty : No. If that was the case we wouldn't have seen the 787. MD only had two distinct commercial products.. the 717/MD-90 and MD-11 at the time they folde
46 SEPilot : The technology exists to make faster travel possible, but not economically feasible. There certainly have been advances in technology since the Conco
47 N62NA : Right. Which is why people will still be flying around in 737s/A320s, 787s/A350s and 777s/A380s for the next 50 years.
48 rcair1 : A man was flying with his grandmother from her home in San Francisco to his in Hawaii - it was her first flight. 1 hour after departure: - Ah-hem - t
49 zippyjet : Couldn't have said this better had I said it myself. And to a lesser extent a replacement for some back in the day were the DC-8 60 and 70 series str
50 Post contains links planemaker : Yup. Depending on aircraft size that is a definite possibility. You are correct... with current technology... but in 15 years... single engine could
51 bueb0g : You are completely insane. There's not much to say on this point because it's so incredibly ridiculous... I'll take a very large bet that they won't.
52 planemaker : I am in good company with the FAA and OEM's. It could very well happen with the way technology is advancing. It may not mean anything to you but Goog
53 KarelXWB : I'm not sure why this would be insane. Computers have replaced the 3-crew cockpit, why not taking it a step further and reduce it to an 1-pilot cockp
54 rcair1 : I don't know about anybody being insane - but until the aircraft have a reliable, autonomous, all-weather landing capability that is fully controlled
55 JoeCanuck : I don't think it will happen for many decades to come but statistically, the weak link in the cockpit in relation to accidents is the human. For exam
56 planemaker : That capability already exists. And with NextGen, ATC will also be able to command the aircraft when required. As I have posted before, but perhaps n
57 jet-lagged : Why is that so insane? We have self-driving trains, self-driving cars, remotely controlled drones, already. Also computer programs that play chess, w
58 planemaker : It is already possible... Boeing (and others like Airbus, RR, GE, etc.) are already monitoring inflight data on a real-time basis and are up linking
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