tortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 6053 posts, RR: 22 Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8426 times:
There is an article in flight global about a HGW Max 8. The current Max 8 range is projected to be about 3,620nm. How much further range would be useful? Will this reignite talks about a TATL 737? The gc distance between EWR/JFK/PHL/BOS and CDG/AMS/LGW/MAN/STN/BHX/MAD/LIS/DUB is no more than 3,247nm. 752 with winglets range is 4,100.
"Another option Boeing is considering is launching a high gross weight version of the 737 Max 8, Taylor says. That means beefing up the landing gear and structure to absorb the same maximum take-off weight carried by the standard Max 9 version, he says."
"We certainly could sell it," Taylor says. "But we're still looking at what is the right product."
There will be a TATL 737MAX or A321NEO. When is the question. Which will be first to the niche? 3,800nm is min TATL but 4,100nm+ is better. An early high MTOW -8MAX should be able to do 4000nm! Engine improvements will creep that range up and it would be a very competitive TATL hauler.
We already know Bombardier could make a TATL version of the CS100. Will Boeing concede that market? I think neither Boeing nor Airbus will.
sunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5883 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7644 times:
Quoting tortugamon (Thread starter): The gc distance between EWR/JFK/PHL/BOS and CDG/AMS/LGW/MAN/STN/BHX/MAD/LIS/DUB is no more than 3,247nm
Typically PHL-FRA has an airways distance of about 3700nm according to FlightAware. Flight time for a typical 485K cruise is typically beween 7hr and 7.30min. Westbound is about 1 hr longer. Not sure what that would be on a 737MAX
The westbound ESAD is probably pushing 4200nm Perhaps this city pair are outside of what is possible.
Right, and that is why I did not include FRA in my list of possible city pairs . There are three direct A330/340 flights every day and once US becomes AA that may decline further to a couple narrow bodies so it definitely could be a candidate. Add OSL and BRU to the European side of the PHL/BOS/EWR/JFK equation as well.
I think its a great idea and I expect Airbus is doing something very similar. Not that any of this will stop people from speculating about a new 757 replacement.
and maybe the middle east to Asia. Surprisingly SIN, KUL, PEK, CAN, SZX, CSX, WUH, HKG, & SGN are all between 3000-3200nm from DXB/DWC. There are probably some mountains to contend with though. Those pesky Himalayas.
2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 3000 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3261 times:
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 8): That 73GER/319ER did not sell very well, I wonder if it needs to be the size of a Max 8/320 NEO to have enough Y/Y to make it work.
I wasn't writing about the B737-700ER but the B737-700 - currently flown 3000nm non-stop by CM.
Be any B737, It also depends on what kind of J/Y class cabin configuration the airline wants for the aircraft and the traffic those routes are going to have.
Currently for airlines, B737-700ER, B737-700 and -600 are very niche aircraft for specific route/airport needs.
by738 From St. Vincent and the Grenadines, joined Sep 2000, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3016 times:
In no shape or form would a A321 be described as a beast. IMO it looks out of proportion, has been relatievly underpowered and with feeble looking landing gear and small looking engines. Not anything to fulfill the beast category for me.