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Changing Tides - Caribbean Aviation Thread 105  
User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1436 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20963 times:

Greetings once again to all A.net patrons and welcome to the 105th instalment of Caribbean Aviation.

As always, there is never a dull moment in this region''s air transportation industry. Economic instability consistently fueled by brash political expediency has been the name of the game for decades. As other regions such as Latin America, Asia and the Middle East move full speed ahead in shaping a sustainable industry for their air transportation sectors, unfortunately, the Caribbean continues to be plagued by internal legacy issues. We continue to revolve between progress and regression. It is certainly hoped that like Latin America and the Middle East which previously endured a prolonged dark political and economical misfortunes; that we can eventually produce a sustainable yet robust market-driven air transportation sector that all of us can admire.



******NEWS FEED******
Air Jamaica Shuttle suspends services citing financial issues
Tropic Air to start 3x weekly RTB in Q4 2013 with C208
Tropic launches 6x weekly BZE-CUN service Mar. 25/2013
DAE hires new Chief Commercial Officer
DAE receives 3rd MD83 through Falcon Air
AA rumored to begin MIA-GEO and MIA-PBM
AA commences weekly service to PTP and FDF with B738
TAB gets relief with expected new winter Novair A332 service from ARN and CPH
BW touted to get flag carrier status from GND
BW receives flag carrier status from GEO
KX to begin DFW service May 25
SXM continues modernization with self check-in kiosks
B6 to begin daily ORD-SJU service starting Nov. 20/2013
LI launches daily DOM-SJU service
LI now offers nonstop SXM-SJU service
LI performs proving flight into OGL with DHC8
FlyJam receives good reviews from disapora
BW slashes KIN operations by 50%..looking at cutting more staff
BW loses $US70M in 2012....close to $US150M in debt
LI cries foul at BW's fuel subsidy arrangement with GORTT
LI gears up to receive first ATR-42-600 series...still seeks financing for rest of fleet
UA to start 1x weekly B738 EWR-UVF service on July 13/2013
BW board dismissed by the GORTT Finance Minister after irregularities in corporate governance uncovered
GORTT appoints new interim board to CAL; will perform diagnostic review of operations and appoint a CEO



Enjoy the thread!


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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20979 times:

Is BWs new board any better than the old one?

User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1436 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 20891 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 1):
Is BWs new board any better than the old one?

I'm glad you asked and I'm pleased to say yes......very much so. The events leading up to the change required nothing less than a 180 degree turn around in the GORTT's attitude towards running the company. They are currently very embarassed with the whole situation and have left Finance Minister Larry Howai a big mess to clean up. That said, Howai is probably the only credible person in the current GORTT with his private sector background and his many awards for his leadership style in the banking sector. That said, he did not seek Cabinet approval to remove the board nor did he seek the approval of the persons he selected for the interim board. This demonstrates his no nonsense attitude from hence forth because he has publicly accepted responsibility for CAL's mess as it now falls under his purview.

That said, the members of the new interim board are as follows:

Phillip Marshall (director of Strategic Management Office at Finance Ministry)
Vishnu Dhanpaul (permanent secretary at Ministry of Energy)
Indira Ramkissoon (attorney, current board member Occupational Safety and Health Authority)
Patricia Kong-Ting (finance and risk management consultant)
Dennis Lalor (Jamaican business tycoon).


Howai Takes Blame (with CNC3 video)

"Former independent senator Phillip Marshall was yesterday given the responsibility to take Caribbean Airlines into clearer skies. In making the announcement yesterday, Finance Minister Larry Howai said an interim board headed by Marshall had been given a fresh mandate to restructure the cash-strapped airline. Marshall’s unit replaced the old board led by businessman Rabindra Moonan.


Jamaican government representative Dennis Lalor was the lone survivor of the old board. Moonan, CAL vice-chairman Mohan Jaikaran, Avedanand Persad, Venosh Sagewan-Maraj and Gizelle Russell are all gone. The decision to disband the old board followed a T&T Guardian exclusive report on May 8, which revealed Jaikaran had allegedly received 19 complimentary airline tickets for Mother’s Day concerts in New York and Toronto last week."

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-...leads-new-caribbean-airlines-board


"Air Jamaica not to blame for CAL’s losses"

"The only Caribbean Airlines (CAL) director who wasn’t fired from the board yesterday says he’s very concerned about the financial health of the national carrier.
The surviving director, Jamaican businessman Denis Lalor, told the Express yesterday shortly after the CAL board was fired by Finance Minister Larry Howai that he does not believe the acquisition by CAL of Air Jamaica’s routes in 2011 was the reason the company has found itself facing multi-million-dollar losses.
Lalor was the only member of the former CAL board to be included in the new composition, which was announced by Howai yesterday after the board was fired.
Lalor said he was informed there would be changes to the board, and he was hopeful the new board would turn the company around."

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/...ame-for-CALs-losses-207961801.html

"CAL board sacked"

"SAYING he accepts blame for governance systems at national carrier, Caribbean Airlines Ltd (CAL), Finance Minister Larry Howai yesterday fired all but one member of the CAL board.

He appointed of a new interim board and said the immediate mandate of interim chairman Phillip Marshall, “will be to do a detailed diagnostic review of CAL and provide detailed recommendations on the way forward.”

The firing of the CAL board led by Rabindra Moonan came after allegations that CAL’s former vice-chairman Mohan Jaikaran may have abused his position to promote private business interests. During a news conference at the Eric Williams Financial Complex in Port-of-Spain, to announce the appointment of CAL’s new board, Howai was asked if he accepts responsibility for events at the airline since it was shifted from the Transport Ministry to his ministry last June."

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,177820.html


The new individuals on the board possess quite impressive resumes,commanding influential roles in major multi-billion coporations like Ernst and Young, RBC and the IMF prior to their current public sector positions. As Howai stated, this is an interim board installed to do a comprehensive diagnostic of the carrier as well as appoint competent talent to key positions. Howai especially stressed the CEO position; all of us have been chanting for this to happen.

It also appears that Howai is not buying into the old board's propaganda of KIN being the root of CAL's problems. He stated that the new chairman's job will be to help stabilize the KIN operations through his many business relationships he already holds in the Jamaican business community. Dennis Lalor is also hopeful that the KIN operations can now be treated with the care it deserves through prudent management initiatives. With all of this, it is a definite indication that KIN is integral to CAL's survival and it must work to the benefit of all stakeholders involved.

The long road to recovery has begun. I will not hold my breath on anything, however, as long as CAL remains under Howai, the airline will see much better days ahead.



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1436 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 20878 times:

"New chairman Marshall wants ‘clean’ CAL"

Finance Minister Larry Howai said yesterday new Caribbean Airlines (CAL) chairman Philip Marshall got the job because of his career experience, especially in Jamaica.
“He was the first chairman of the Corporate Governance Commission for the private sector in Jamaica and you know we have some challenges in Jamaica. Also, because of his background, he has experience generally dealing with turnaround situation,” Howai told the Express yesterday outside the Hyatt Regency (Trinidad), Port of Spain.
He noted that only the Trinidadian members of CAL’s board were removed, with Jamaican Denis Lalor as the only one retained, as he had been appointed by the Jamaican government."

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/busin...all-wants-clean-CAL-208237031.html



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 20759 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 2):
The surviving director, Jamaican businessman Denis Lalor, told the Express yesterday shortly after the CAL board was fired by Finance Minister Larry Howai that he does not believe the acquisition by CAL of Air Jamaica’s routes in 2011 was the reason the company has found itself facing multi-million-dollar losses.

Is part of the reason for Caribbean Airlines to keep Mr. Lalor also to attempt to correct its image in Jamaica seeing how nobody wants Caribbean Airlines there (at least as per the Jamaican thread)?

A388


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1436 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 20749 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):

Well, I wouldn't say keeping Mr Lalor on board was a diplomatic move to try and salvage CAL's image in Jamaica. He really has nothing to do with the mess caused by the former board. He was certainly the most credible on the former board. Even if he was not of such good calibre, the GORTT cannot remove him as Jamaica has a 16% share in the carrier and the agreement calls for one Jamaican representative.

That said, this change is certainly in the right direction and the Finance Minister is alllowed to, CAL will rebound in due course. The frightening variable factors are the people he is surrounded by who have no integrity whatsoever.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2704 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 20737 times:

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
TAB gets relief with expected new winter Novair A332 service from ARN and CPH

Nice.
Didn't know TAB was a known destination for the Nordic leisure market.
What % of TAB tourists actually are curious about POS - Trinidad Island (when it's not Carnival) and make their way there for a quick visit?



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 20732 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 2):
The new individuals on the board possess quite impressive resumes,commanding influential roles in major multi-billion coporations like Ernst and Young, RBC and the IMF prior to their current public sector positions.

What they need is an person with airline experience on the board.

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
Is part of the reason for Caribbean Airlines to keep Mr. Lalor also to attempt to correct its image in Jamaica seeing how nobody wants Caribbean Airlines there (at least as per the Jamaican thread)?

I think what you have in Jamaica is a very vocal meager minority who don't want CAL there.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20692 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 5):
Well, I wouldn't say keeping Mr Lalor on board was a diplomatic move to try and salvage CAL's image in Jamaica. He really has nothing to do with the mess caused by the former board. He was certainly the most credible on the former board. Even if he was not of such good calibre, the GORTT cannot remove him as Jamaica has a 16% share in the carrier and the agreement calls for one Jamaican representative.

Thanks, I understand it now.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):
Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
Is part of the reason for Caribbean Airlines to keep Mr. Lalor also to attempt to correct its image in Jamaica seeing how nobody wants Caribbean Airlines there (at least as per the Jamaican thread)?


I think what you have in Jamaica is a very vocal meager minority who don't want CAL there.

Caribbean Airlines has cut the operations at its KIN base by 50% with more staff cuts apparently. Is this solely caused by the competition to/from KIN?

A388


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20687 times:

Also, the first Dutch Antilles Express Fokker 100 in the airline's new livery has arrived in Curacao. See my photo in below link:



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Photo © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviation Photography




They performed a very nice and low fly by!!!


Cheers,

A388


User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20588 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 6):
Didn't know TAB was a known destination for the Nordic leisure market.

TAB is quite popular among Norwegians actually. There are a surprising number of Norwegians who own properties (prior to restrictions on foreign ownership).

Additionally, the market is known as BWIA used to fly from POS (via BGI I believe) to ARN back in the days of the fleet of L10-11Tri-Star 500s.

Tobago may not be at the top of Scandanavians' lists, but it is certainly a known quantity.

AA1818



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2704 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20568 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 10):
Additionally, the market is known as BWIA used to fly from POS (via BGI I believe) to ARN back in the days of the fleet of L10-11Tri-Star 500s.

That I knew, a Swedish couple friend of mine spent their honeymoon on Barbados. They flew BWIA.

Not sure if this day and age, tag-ons to CPH (for Nordic market), FRA (or alternate airport for German market) or MXP (or alternate for Italian market) from LGW would mean improved loads for BW POS-LON operations, specially if flights then would have to be routed via BGI (or UVF/GND/SXM even TAB).



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20461 times:

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 10):
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 6):
Didn't know TAB was a known destination for the Nordic leisure market.

TAB is quite popular among Norwegians actually. There are a surprising number of Norwegians who own properties (prior to restrictions on foreign ownership).

Additionally, the market is known as BWIA used to fly from POS (via BGI I believe) to ARN back in the days of the fleet of L10-11Tri-Star 500s.

Tobago may not be at the top of Scandanavians' lists, but it is certainly a known quantity.

AA1818

Heeey AA1818, it has been a very long time since I last saw you here, where have you been all that time my friend? Good to see you here again.

A388


User currently offlinewingedtaurus From Mexico, joined Mar 2007, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20413 times:

Does anybody know if Interjet (4O) is starting MEX-SJU in June? That would be a great Caribbean addition. I always thought SDQ should also be linked to MEX

User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20385 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 2):

Little bit confused by something. If all BW had to do with the AJ brand was to continue what was already in place then why was JM closed down due to its massive losses. Clearly JMs routes were unprofitable, and by the time of its closure it had pretty much been cut to its present core routes, plus PHL and BWI.

There is an inherent contradition between the LOK Jack team's strategy of winnowing down two brands to one brand, ad Lalor's accusation that an attempt was made to put too much of a Trini stamp.

Confused! I think that every one is running for cover and passing blame. The fact remains that if KIN lost US$ 38MM. Even though it is not fully to blame for the current financial mess (cargo and credit card fraud is quite disturbing) it definitely played a role.

Jamaicans want what is essentially a Jamaican airline. Given the tremendous animosity that has developed towards BWs Trinidadian ownership I will be curious to see how this will be acheived, short of Fly Jamaica meeting an early death (which is not unlikely given the tragic history of privately owned airlines in the Caribbean).

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):

If BW wants to prove to Jamaicans that it is a REGIONAL carrier and not just a TRini9 carrier they will need to rehire some of the Jamaicans who they dismissed, ensure that the contracts held by their Jcan employees mirror those of their Trini employeers.

I live in NYC with its large Jcan community. I can tell you this. NOT ONE JAMAICAN has anything nice to say about BW. And a frequent complaint is how Jamaican employees seem to bear the brunt of lay offs when they occur. And these comments come not only from those who disliked BW from the beginning. But also from those who understood that JM had to go and that BW (KIN) was the best that was available, and were willing to give them a chance.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):

If it was only a vocal minority BW would have the same market share that JM had. It is now falling behind AA, even on the KIN market. Jamaicans are fleeing BW and that is a fact. The question will be what will it take to bring them back, aside from FlyJam collapsing, which would put aside notions that Jca can support its own airline. Whle all of this is happening B6 and WS have become firmly established in the VFR market.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 11):

Those continental European routes were huge money losers for BWIA, which is why there were dropped.

It is a fact of life that CAL has no idea how to market to leisure travelers in a manner which will give them decent yield. I am not even sure whether they should try this when we see what happened to JM, which was very successful in the lesiure market, but at the cost of running up huge losses.


User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2704 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 20352 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 14):
It is a fact of life that CAL has no idea how to market to leisure travelers in a manner which will give them decent yield. I am not even sure whether they should try this when we see what happened to JM, which was very successful in the lesiure market, but at the cost of running up huge losses.

The answer might be a high-density configuration wide-body aircraft flying (charter) only on contract routes by wholesalers.
And IMHO, it's not something BW should try right now.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 20155 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 9):

Dae and Insel are reaaalllly expanding, that's impressive!


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 20077 times:

Here's the First Liat ATR 72-600!!!!


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Photo © Dn280



Will be V2-LIA



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 20070 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 17):
Here's the First Liat ATR 72-600!!!!

Great!!! I do find the fuselage to be too white!!! They could have put LIAT billboard titles on the fuselage. The tail logo has changed but just slightly.


Hope to see it in CUR soon!!! Let me know when the first flight to CUR will be.

A388


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months ago) and read 20022 times:

Quoting wingedtaurus (Reply 13):
Does anybody know if Interjet (4O) is starting MEX-SJU in June? That would be a great Caribbean addition. I always thought SDQ should also be linked to MEX

ASUR airports says they are.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 16):
Dae and Insel are reaaalllly expanding, that's impressive!

I know. I wonder where all these pax are coming from to fill these planes. ITs not like DAE and Insel are household names in the tourism markets



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineaa1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 19992 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 17):
Here's the First Liat ATR 72-600!!!!

Looks great!

Quoting A388 (Reply 18):
The tail logo has changed but just slightly.

...bringing it more in line with Caribbean Airlines font!      

AA1818



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19953 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 19):

And indeed DAE has gotten quite a reputation on skytrax being unreliable. Precisely because they are not known will be why tourists will seek these sources for info.

It appears as if DAE has a personal vendetta to drive Insel out of business.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19841 times:

As of Dec 21. and now bookable....

LAXBZE 0020 0700 // BZELAX 1030 1350 (737-800)

Delta expanding in Belize.

Anybody else in the Caribbean got non-stops from LAX?



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2704 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19801 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
Anybody else in the Caribbean got non-stops from LAX?

Does DL has LAX-MBJ on its radar?
Due to distance and flight duration, probably for LAX-PUJ/SXM/AUA/CUR leisure traffic DL non-stop flights may not be sustainable..



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19792 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 23):
Does DL has LAX-MBJ on its radar?
Due to distance and flight duration, probably for LAX-PUJ/SXM/AUA/CUR leisure traffic DL non-stop flights may not be sustainable..

I guess for the most part it most have some year round aspect to the flight and have some VFR components. Full leisure markets don't work so well.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19773 times:

The question is how long LAX-BZE will last.

A388


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19744 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 25):
The question is how long LAX-BZE will last.

The homework has been done and for the last two years every detail has been looked at.....and ground teams are working both ends this time. I will be very surprised if it does not do well right out of the gate.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1436 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19814 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 17):
Here's the First Liat ATR 72-600!!!!

Congrats to LI! Looking forward to seeing the 42 version in the livery. Any idea what the initial routes will be for this first a/c? Probably high density routes like POS-BGI, GEO-BGI, POS-GND?

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 20):
bringing it more in line with Caribbean Airlines font!  

Hmmm...interesting.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
As of Dec 21. and now bookable....

LAXBZE 0020 0700 // BZELAX 1030 1350 (737-800)

Delta expanding in Belize.

Congrats to BZE and DL! I'm guessing BZE is the only CARICOM nation with service out of LAX at present.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19785 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
Anybody else in the Caribbean got non-stops from LAX?

I remember AA had LAX-SJU right?


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 19669 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 28):
I remember AA had LAX-SJU right?

Yes, think is was cancelled during the first wave of AA SJU cancellations.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 27):
Congrats to BZE and DL! I'm guessing BZE is the only CARICOM nation with service out of LAX at present.

Yes, and at US$1500 for a R/T 4.5 hour flight....the yields should be right up there and keep the "BZE has great yields" story intact.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 19575 times:

Right, here a few pics of my last flight, I'm right now in SJU, quite impressed with the country, I know, I know they are USA, but expected more poverty or something like that, SJU is fun!

Spirit airlines, ultra low fare carrier, you pay for nearly everything, but still not worse than FR

now a few caribbean countries left to my list, unfortunately won't be able to visit all of them on the follwing 2 years but who knows  


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19487 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 26):
Quoting A388 (Reply 25):
The question is how long LAX-BZE will last.


The homework has been done and for the last two years every detail has been looked at.....and ground teams are working both ends this time. I will be very surprised if it does not do well right out of the gate.

A lot of routes had there homework done in detail and eventually dropped so I'll wait for a year or two before saying the route will do fine. BZE can be an alternative to Mexico as tourist destination for the Western Coast so let's see. Let's see if people will indeed flock to BZE from LAX.

A388


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19477 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 27):
Congrats to LI! Looking forward to seeing the 42 version in the livery. Any idea what the initial routes will be for this first a/c? Probably high density routes like POS-BGI, GEO-BGI, POS-GND?

No word yet, but I don't expect it to be placed on those routes yet until more aircraft arrives. First aircraft should be in ANU around May 31. Also, look out for operations to begin at Ogle possibly in July.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19479 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 32):
First aircraft should be in ANU around May 31.

Seriously?!?! That means i'll probaly get to see it on my way back to MNI   Which is this Saturday btw. Will be something slightly different to what I usually write about. Should be interesting!



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19470 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 31):
BZE can be an alternative to Mexico as tourist destination for the Western Coast so let's see.

it has been for some time. the natural market to bze is west Coast. CA is the number one in arrivals to BZE.

Quoting A388 (Reply 31):
Let's see if people will indeed flock to BZE from LAX.

. THey already are. Last year SoCal already produced 39,000 + to BZE



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 19442 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 34):
Quoting A388 (Reply 31):
BZE can be an alternative to Mexico as tourist destination for the Western Coast so let's see.

it has been for some time. the natural market to bze is west Coast. CA is the number one in arrivals to BZE.

Quoting A388 (Reply 31):
Let's see if people will indeed flock to BZE from LAX.

. THey already are. Last year SoCal already produced 39,000 + to BZE

All great news, good luck to both BZE and DL.


Regarding the LI ATR72, I hope to see them in CUR too, but I think an ATR42 will be better suited. I thought that LI would receive the ATR42 before the ATR72? Also how will the maintenance be done? Will they do it jointly or in co-operation with Caribbean Airlines? It does make sense in my opinion (at least from an outsider's point of view).

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 19396 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 27):

Definitely not POS GND as they cut that route down to once pay day. Suspect some route through DOM as they seem much favored since they invested, or promised to invest in LI. Maybe the BGI DOM ANU SJU route. Or maybe GEO BGI continuing on to ANU, as that seems to be oversold since they slashed from 2x to 1X per day.

Quoting A388 (Reply 31):

BZE also has good VFR between LAX and BZE.


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19100 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 33):
Seriously?!?! That means i'll probaly get to see it on my way back to MNI Which is this Saturday btw. Will be something slightly different to what I usually write about. Should be interesting!

I wouldn't get too excited yet as those dates are always subject to change.

Quoting A388 (Reply 35):
Regarding the LI ATR72, I hope to see them in CUR too, but I think an ATR42 will be better suited. I thought that LI would receive the ATR42 before the ATR72? Also how will the maintenance be done? Will they do it jointly or in co-operation with Caribbean Airlines? It does make sense in my opinion (at least from an outsider's point of view).

The 42's seem to be on hold at the moment, so it'll be all 72's for the time being. Not sure how maintenance will be done, but I wouldn't be surprised if some deal is struck with CAL.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 36):
Definitely not POS GND as they cut that route down to once pay day. Suspect some route through DOM as they seem much favored since they invested, or promised to invest in LI.

Well they did put $8 mil into LI recently so I wouldnt be surprised if thats the case. DOM flights do well enough for LI so i don't think the 72's will be flying empty in and/or out.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 19082 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 37):
I wouldn't get too excited yet as those dates are always subject to change.

I know, but im still hopeful.   Because that would mean spotting two new planes in two days 



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2704 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 18586 times:

Cayman Airways returns to PTY In Spanish from www.prensa.com
Cayman Airways will fly again to PTY and got a permanent operation permit from Panama Civil Aviation Authority.
I can only make from this move that the Cayman Government is still trying to show CM GCM is a potential destination and get it to fly to GCM.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 18566 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 39):
I can only make from this move that the Cayman Government is still trying to show CM GCM is a potential destination and get it to fly to GCM.

i second that motion.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 18548 times:

My latest trip report is finally up, no LI ATR though...:

Same Route Different Airlines: VS, 5M And A BY 787 (by 817Dreamliiner Jun 6 2013 in Trip Reports)



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 42, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18326 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 35):
Regarding the LI ATR72, I hope to see them in CUR too, but I think an ATR42 will be better suited. I thought that LI would receive the ATR42 before the ATR72? Also how will the maintenance be done? Will they do it jointly or in co-operation with Caribbean Airlines? It does make sense in my opinion (at least from an outsider's point of view).

The 72's will be in CUR sooner than you think.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 41):
My latest trip report is finally up, no LI ATR though...:

Nice TR. You'll definitely see them on your way back up.


In other LI news, flights at Ogle starts June 21.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18275 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 42):

Guyanese will definitely appreciate the OGL LI flight. Indeed they might need to add service as many use them to connect to majors in BGI, instead of trekking to GEO. Especially now that flights to JFK are impossible to get.

I assume that LI will do its ANU SLU POS CUR and ANU SDQ with the 72s then. The long routes.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 18139 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 42):
Nice TR. You'll definitely see them on your way back up.

Thanks! Looking forward to seeing them.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18082 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 42):
The 72's will be in CUR sooner than you think.

That will be great. Let me know when the first LIAT ATR flight will be to CUR.

A388


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 18022 times:

Hey guys, I've being far from this forum due to my backpacking tour for the past 5 months to celebrate the end of my management studies!

it was a wonderful adventure!

16 countries visited, dozens of cities etc....

First time flying: Tropic Air, Cayman airways, Jetblue, United, Alaska, Southwest, Spirit, Interjet, Volaris, Air Canada, Westjet

First time: having medical diversion (ANC), returning to gate due lightening (ORD), and aborted take off due to computer blackout (STT)

a few pics! from the last two islands visited in the caribbean

I still have to visit: Bahamas, Haiti, Turks and caicos, Saba, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Grenada and French Guyana, then my caribbean, CARICOM, West indies, OECS list of nations will be complete!





User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 17980 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 46):
First time flying: Tropic Air, Cayman airways, Jetblue, United, Alaska, Southwest, Spirit, Interjet, Volaris, Air Canada, Westjet

The guy behind the Surinam Airways counter looks like he is about to rip off your head



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 17938 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 47):

hahahahahah on certain airports they do not want us to take pics! but so far was only frowned upon in Mexico!


User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 17769 times:

FYI: This December for the first time ever, UA is offering two flights a day from IAH to POS on certian days

UA1247 11:55PM IAH 7:25AM POS
UA 1457 1:15PM IAH 8:40PM POS

UA must be making a killing. Also crazy first class was sold out on both flights!



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 17758 times:

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 49):
UA must be making a killing. Also crazy first class was sold out on both flights!

Always wondered why BW never tried tapping into that market.

[Edited 2013-06-10 16:14:35]


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17695 times:

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 49):
UA must be making a killing. Also crazy first class was sold out on both flights!

UA has finally found and eastern Caribbean market that works from IAH. But this route is OIL OIL OIL. My brother has to do it routinely from IAH and he can never get a seat in J. Always sold out. Lots of cargo too. The load factors are not exceptional but the yields are.

Perhaps the Trinis too are finding IAH is a much better connecting point when going to the US west coast than MIA.

Actually I need to try this routing out...I usually go via MIA....but I could leave BZE at 4pm and do the redeye via IAH now. Not at bad proposition

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 50):
Always wondered why BW never tried tapping into that market.

They would have a hard time getting the oil contracts over UA but I said that they should try it a few years ago.



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User currently offlinewestindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17730 times:

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 49):
UA must be making a killing. Also crazy first class was sold out on both flights!

UA has the benefit of the frequent business travelers from the oil industry. Come Christmas time, they also benefit from the nationals (many who work for UA) wanting to visit for the holidays. Also, Houston is no slouch when it comes to having a sizable Caribbean community.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 50):
Always wondered why BW never tried tapping into that market.

What BW should have done a long time ago, back when the board and CEO had good ideas (lol) was to join either Star Alliance or OneWorld. Had they joined Star Alliance, they would have taken a great opportunity to work with UA and tap into IAH with connections to the central, midwest, and western states.

Just my opinion.  



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1436 posts, RR: 2
Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17677 times:

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 52):
What BW should have done a long time ago, back when the board and CEO had good ideas (lol) was to join either Star Alliance or OneWorld. Had they joined Star Alliance, they would have taken a great opportunity to work with UA and tap into IAH with connections to the central, midwest, and western states.

Just my opinion.

Well, reality is, you cannot just join an alliance whenever you feel it fit. The alliance has to invite the airline to join. These alliances look at everything from fleet reliability to product consistency when inviting the airlines they desire. Offcourse, the Lok Jack board would have been looking at alliance options, but that would have been a very strategic objective that would only be realised with at least 5-7 yrs of sound management. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case  
Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 49):
FYI: This December for the first time ever, UA is offering two flights a day from IAH to POS on certian days

UA1247 11:55PM IAH 7:25AM POS
UA 1457 1:15PM IAH 8:40PM POS

Awesome to see this route do so well. A pity BW cannot take a piece of the pie. UA must be loving this route so much!

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 46):
Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 42):
In other LI news, flights at Ogle starts June 21.

Great news!



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2704 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17606 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 53):
Well, reality is, you cannot just join an alliance whenever you feel it fit. The alliance has to invite the airline to join.

True, but BW could have well started giving UA Mileage Plus members miles when flying, be actual miles or certain miles depending on routes flown.
For an airline like BW, that's a good way to try a way into an alliance.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 55, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17548 times:

Here are some photos I found of Liat's first ATR. Still in TLS as of 6th June:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7296/8994882130_9be720ddf8_b.jpg
6 juin 2013 - LIAT ATR 72-600 F-WWEN 1077 - LFBO - TLS by gimbellet, on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3684/8994883320_d30d28b2db_b.jpg
6 juin 2013 - LIAT ATR 72-600 F-WWEN 1077 - LFBO - TLS by gimbellet, on Flickr



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17526 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 55):
Here are some photos I found of Liat's first ATR. Still in TLS as of 6th June:

I still maintain that the livery is too white. LI should put large LIAT billboard titles on the fuselage with larger "The Caribbean Airline" titles because right now it is almost exactly like having an all-white fuselage as the small titles below the front windows are too small and too low so nobody will notice this. Come on LIAT, you can do better than this.

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 17365 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 50):

BWIA wanted to around 2001. But T&T lost their Cat one rating.

With UA on the route I do not see how BW could make it. Some one mentioned that the loads are OK, but the yields are good, which suggests that its the oil business market which dominates most times of the year. I doubt that the VFR market is consistent enough year round to allow space for BW.

Having said that BWIA had some code sharing arrangements with UA (United). Couldn't these be re-activated?

A route that they might look at is IAD, especially if they got UA code shares..

Quoting A388 (Reply 56):

All they need to do is to have "Caribbean Airlines" in bolder letters. That reduces the whiteness.

Prefer their livery to CALs as it reflects more of that Caribbean "color". CAL should change their prime color from purple to bougainvillea red (what the old BWIA had) and just add a splash of color underneath. Nothing too complex.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17203 times:

Liat's First ATR 72 has finally been delivered:

Quote:
Regional airline LIAT Limited has started its fleet upgrade with the first new ATR 72-600 aircraft delivered today. This first ATR in LIAT’s fleet is being leased from the lessor GECAS (GE Capital Aviation Services). This is the first of a total of eight ATRs (four 68-seat ATR 72-600 and four 48-seat ATR 42-600s) that will be introduced into LIAT’s fleet.
http://www.atraircraft.com/newsroom/...ress-releases-details-1217-en.html



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 59, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16969 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 57):
Quoting A388 (Reply 56):


All they need to do is to have "Caribbean Airlines" in bolder letters. That reduces the whiteness.

And that would confuse passengers with Caribbean Airlines itself and might even result in a lawsuit and the airline's name which still is LIAT is not focussed on. So no, having Caribbean Airlines or "The Caribbean Airline" in bolder letters is a very bad idea. That would be like putting "The World's Favourite Airline" in larger bold letters instead of British Airways (if they would still use that slogan). You're not going to put your slogan in bold letters and not the airline's name itself.

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16905 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 59):

LI already bills itself as "The Caribbean Airline", and I think that this was even before Caribbean Airlines was established. Nothing wong with bolding it to make it more noticeable and to reduce the whiteness. Indeed with their more diverse cabin crews LIAT is more "Caribbean" than BW is. They highlight this by introducing the pilots and cabin attendant by name and country of birth. So one hears "welcome about LIAT...... Captain....from Dominica, copilit...from St KItts and cabin attendant ... from St Lucia."


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 61, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16893 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 60):
Quoting A388 (Reply 59):


LI already bills itself as "The Caribbean Airline", and I think that this was even before Caribbean Airlines was established. Nothing wong with bolding it to make it more noticeable and to reduce the whiteness. Indeed with their more diverse cabin crews LIAT is more "Caribbean" than BW is. They highlight this by introducing the pilots and cabin attendant by name and country of birth. So one hears "welcome about LIAT...... Captain....from Dominica, copilit...from St KItts and cabin attendant ... from St Lucia."

Okay, let me clarify my point. Putting "The Caribbean Airline" in bold but with the same font size is okay. But, putting that in bold and in large font is not a wise idea and can cause problems as I have said in my earlier post.

Every airline can lable itself by using their own slogans but not to the point where the slogan is more visible than the airline's name. With the BA example I gave, n the end the people will see BA as the company and not their slogan. KLM does the same with their slogan on each aircraft which is quite small compared to the airline's name itself which is good. People will remember KLM and not "The Flying Dutchman".

A388

[Edited 2013-06-14 10:31:49]

User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16842 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 60):
Indeed with their more diverse cabin crews LIAT is more "Caribbean" than BW is. They highlight this by introducing the pilots and cabin attendant by name and country of birth.

I remember that! and for me it's a wonderful touch o professionalism! once they use ''THE Caribbean Airlines'' thing!


User currently offlineN312RM From Cayman Islands, joined Mar 2012, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16806 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 39):
Cayman Airways returns to PTY In Spanish from www.prensa.comCayman Airways will fly again to PTY and got a permanent operation permit from Panama Civil Aviation Authority.I can only make from this move that the Cayman Government is still trying to show CM GCM is a potential destination and get it to fly to GCM.

According to their schedule, flights operate on Monday and Thursday effective June 27. They are still promoting it as a seasonal service to the Cayman market. I am confident that the government is NOT trying to attract CM to GCM.

Also returning are the GCM/DFW flights on Wednesday and Saturday. This time around it is being promoted as a year round service.


User currently offlineskystar767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16796 times:
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I don't understand why CAL did not pickup one of UA 767-200ER and use that for the GEO-JFK-GEO and the GEO -YYZ -GEO flights. The 767-300 is way too much seats for year round service on the JFK-GEO-JFK market.

User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16744 times:

V2-LIA was spotted in ACE today. Does anyone know it delivery route?


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16724 times:

Quoting skystar767 (Reply 64):
I don't understand why CAL did not pickup one of UA 767-200ER and use that for the GEO-JFK-GEO and the GEO -YYZ -GEO flights.

Because it has horrible economics ...might as well abuse the 763



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16690 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 65):

V2-LIA was spotted in ACE today. Does anyone know it delivery route?

TLS-ACE-SID-REC-GEO-ANU arriving Sunday afternoon. Also, V2-LIC has already been spotted in full livery. LIB I believe is a -42, that's to be confirmed.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16668 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 67):
TLS-ACE-SID-REC-GEO-ANU arriving Sunday afternoon. Also, V2-LIC has already been spotted in full livery. LIB I believe is a -42, that's to be confirmed.

Thanks a lot!



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User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1041 posts, RR: 5
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16666 times:

I made a post in the Gen forum since it was SkyBahamas first "crash" that will result in a hull loss, but they had a Saab try to land in a thunderstorm in Marsh Harbour / MYAM / Bahamas. Friends on Guana Cay said they saw a water spout right about the time of the storm, and said Marsh Harbour itself had a strong thunderstorm.

http://www.theabaconian.com/2013/06/...sh-harbour-all-21-passengers-safe/




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User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3257 posts, RR: 4
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16679 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 66):

Because it has horrible economics ...might as well abuse the 763

GEO - JFK is not abusing the 767-300ER, it's quite an appropriate use for the model. If you think about BA flying 7 767-300ERs on intra-European sectors which are way shorter than JFK to GEO and POS you can get the point. In the end, if a model works reasonably well on a given route and turns profit, it is appropriately used. Planes are after all business tools and not merely objects of affection.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 60):
They highlight this by introducing the pilots and cabin attendant by name and country of birth. So one hears "welcome about LIAT...... Captain....from Dominica, copilit...from St KItts and cabin attendant ... from St Lucia."

Very true about LI, something I really like! I remember them doing so when I last flew with them in 2007 (TAB - BGI) and I felt that this was a professional yet very personal aspect to their service. Best wishes to LI as they get their new ATR fleet aboard.

Trintocan.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 16529 times:

Quoting skystar767 (Reply 64):

That 767 is almost 100% booked in late May early June. Those 221 seats sell out. You may not know this but Guyanese are the 5th largest immigrant group in the NYC area.

Now I happen to agree with you for YYZ GEO but then if they reduced the 2X to 1X,outside of peak periods that will work out. Most people traveling from YYZ to GEO for leisure purposes will gravitate to the nonstopflight, so at 1X it will do OK.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 72, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 16492 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 70):
GEO - JFK is not abusing the 767-300ER, it's quite an appropriate use for the model.

I didn't say GEO-JFK was abusing the 763. I said it is better they just use the 763 during lighter periods than get a single 762 just for those days. Airlines call that "abusing the aircraft". Its more efficient to run an existing model they have on the route that get another aircraft type. EK is known for this. CM abuses the 73G to deep S. America even though it is not ideal as it more cost effective than adding a different model for the few long routes they have.



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 73, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 16275 times:

V2-LIA arrived ANU approximately 4:15p LT. The aircraft performed two flybys followed by the usual water salute after touchdown.




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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 74, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 16254 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):
V2-LIA arrived ANU approximately 4:15p LT. The aircraft performed two flybys followed by the usual water salute after touchdown.

That's Great! Was expecting something like this when I saw the Thomson 787 delivery before I left MAN. Sadly nothing like that happened. Too bad I missed this, im sure it would have been great to see.

When does it go into service?



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1436 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16183 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):

Awesome! Congrats on your 9th year of being on the a.net forums as well. I looked at a video of the landing. Looked like the PF flared a tad early, but he was able to salvage it for a smooth landing. It's a new type, so as always, it will take some time to get used to.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15979 times:

congrats to LI! come to south americaaaa 

User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2704 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15923 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 76):
congrats to LI! come to south americaaaa

It already does, GEO/OGL and PBM (?)



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 78, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15862 times:

LimaFoxTango and BW424, do you know when LIAT will send the first ATR flight to CUR? Can you keep me informed about the first flight?

Cheers,

A388


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15805 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 77):

well....... hehehe they're physically in south america, but still way too West indies! LOL

I meant CTG CCS BVB MAO BEL MCP these routes....


User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2704 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15817 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 79):
I meant CTG CCS BVB MAO BEL MCP these routes....

I only see chance for GND-CCS or something like GEO/OGL-BVB or GEO-MAO.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 81, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 15620 times:

Here is the midday "bank" at BZE last Saturday.....pretty typical lineup. Couldn't get AV 319 in the shot...



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 82, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15562 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 81):
Here is the midday "bank" at BZE last Saturday.....pretty typical lineup. Couldn't get AV 319 in the shot...

Nice line-up. Since when does AV fly to BZE? Or do you mean TA? I know the two airlines will be merged and operate under one brand but that is still not the case now. Also, how are the "banks" on the remainder of the day and the remainder of the week?

Here's the typical midday "bank" in CUR during the week (actually pretty much the entire week) with the difference that we now also have more flights from DAE:



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Photo © Roger Cannegieter - Curacao Aviation Photography




Cheers,

A388


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days ago) and read 15535 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 82):
Nice line-up. Since when does AV fly to BZE? Or do you mean TA? I know the two airlines will be merged and operate under one brand but that is still not the case now.

I believe it is... if you check on wikipedia and other sources the "everything" TACA about it are gone, even flights inside Guatemala are already promoted as flown by avianca!

Someone on the central america thread said on amadeus or I don't remember a few flights are still bookable as TA though.

yesterday was on the phone with 2 costa rican friends who sent me the link

http://www.ameliarueda.com/taca-desp...-rica-y-cancela-5-vuelos-directos/

as part of the fusion Avianca has decided to cancel 5 flights (my friend told me it will a total of 9) from SJO, 261 staff were fired.

LA is doing the same in Brazil, most of the friend I had working for JJ here in MAO are gone! MIA flight is no longer daily and there will be more cuts.

capitalist world!  


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 84, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 15505 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 82):
Nice line-up. Since when does AV fly to BZE?

Have been flying to BZE (as TA) since 1930s. TA was absorbed by AV and now everything here is all AV.

Quoting A388 (Reply 82):
Also, how are the "banks" on the remainder of the day and the remainder of the week?

3-4pm sees a "bank" of UA, 2XAA, AV (depending on the day of the week) and DL starting Nov..along with 9N arrival from CUN.

In Jan a typical Saturday will see
9N - CUN, RTB, FRS, SAP
AA - 2XMIA, 2XDFW
UA- 3XIAH, 1XEWR
DL: 2XATL, 1XLAX
US; 1X CLT
AV: 1XSAL


A typical midweek in Jan will see
9N - CUN, RTB, FRS, SAP
AA - 2XMIA, 1XDFW
UA- 3XIAH, 1XEWR (4 weekdays)
DL: 1XATL
US; 1X CLT (4 weekdays)
AV: 1XSAL

We also have
7L - Havana - Mondays
WG - YYZ Mondays



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2704 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15465 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 83):
LA is doing the same in Brazil, most of the friend I had working for JJ here in MAO are gone! MIA flight is no longer daily and there will be more cuts.

JJ lost is CM @ MAO gain.

I was in NAS and the amount of work The Bahamas is putting into that airport is amazing. When non-U.S. flights check-in moves to the new terminal, departing NAS will be a fully enjoyable experience.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 86, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15443 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 85):
I was in NAS and the amount of work The Bahamas is putting into that airport is amazing. When non-U.S. flights check-in moves to the new terminal, departing NAS will be a fully enjoyable experience.

I would agree with that 100%. It is a really nice facility. The Bahamian people should be proud of it.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 87, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15345 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 83):
Quoting A388 (Reply 82):
Nice line-up. Since when does AV fly to BZE? Or do you mean TA? I know the two airlines will be merged and operate under one brand but that is still not the case now.

I believe it is... if you check on wikipedia and other sources the "everything" TACA about it are gone, even flights inside Guatemala are already promoted as flown by avianca!
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 84):
Quoting A388 (Reply 82):
Nice line-up. Since when does AV fly to BZE?

Have been flying to BZE (as TA) since 1930s. TA was absorbed by AV and now everything here is all AV.

Let me explain my view, as long as there are still aircraft flying in TA colors, I don't see a former TA flight as an AV flight now. After all, I am seeing a TA aircraft. So andrefranca, as much as I understand it, no.

A388


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15289 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 85):
AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ lost is CM @ MAO gain.

Yes, but we shouldn't have trouble to understand why, CM sends its E190 which carries 94 pax, they connect people here to the americas, you ge the CM flight at 3:50 AM at 1 PM you're in JFK, so easy breezy!

while AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ and AA send their 737 and A330, carrying lots more, that shouldn't be easy for the them to fill! last year they had 350 USD RETURN fares to get more customers, we say AA will be like DL in the past, they stayed for 1 year and left....

Quoting A388 (Reply 87):
as long as there are still aircraft flying in TA colors, I don't see a former TA flight as an AV flight now

I get your point! so TA will be for a while then, it should take a while for AV to chance all their acfts.


User currently offlineskystar767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15214 times:
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Anyone knows when Flyjamaica will start the JFK-GEO flights?

User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 90, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15078 times:

Caught this today, SVG Air has a new livery. Looks nice In my opinion. And its already up on the 'other site'   (A388 will know what site http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/9102116569_8e9d4497cd_b.jpg
SVG Air New livery by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 91, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14911 times:

Again a nice shot and very nice and colorful new livery 817Dreamliiner. Thanks for sharing it with us my friend.

A388  


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 92, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14861 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 91):
Again a nice shot and very nice and colorful new livery 817Dreamliiner. Thanks for sharing it with us my friend.

No problem, I just wished they screened my photos as fast as they did with that one.



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User currently offline8b775zq From St. Kitts and Nevis, joined Aug 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 14689 times:

Any timetable as to when LI will start flying the ATR on revenue flights?

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 94, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14469 times:

My first 788 flight today. UA33 IAH ORD view from seat 16L



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlinecarl50mq From Martinique, joined Nov 2007, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14428 times:

Interesting to read about the Caribbean aviation...

User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 96, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 14386 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 94):
My first 788 flight today. UA33 IAH ORD view from seat 16L

Nice photo! Still waiting for my first 787 flight...



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 97, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14274 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 82):
Nice line-up. Since when does AV fly to BZE? Or do you mean TA?

Ask and you shall receive.

Taken on the ground in BZE yesterday.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 98, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14219 times:

You guys are lucky to have the first AV colored TA aircraft in BZE. I'm still waiting on this new livery in CUR.

A388


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14209 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 94):
My first 788 flight today. UA33 IAH ORD view from seat 16L

I'm jealous!

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 97):
Ask and you shall receive.

Taken on the ground in BZE yesterday.

LMFAO!


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 100, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14192 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 98):
You guys are lucky to have the first AV colored TA aircraft in BZE. I'm still waiting on this new livery in CUR.

IMHO AV are desperate trying to discourage CM from starting BZE....so they better send their best eqp.  

A388..anytime you wanna come spotting in BZE just let me know...I can fix you up.   

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 99):
I'm jealous!

You don't know what i had to get thru to get on that flight....1 hour transfer (from BZE) at IAH....minor miracle i made it.
Now I need to find an excuse to fly the A388



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2704 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14185 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 100):
IMHO AV are desperate trying to discourage CM from starting BZE....so they better send their best eqp.

I could bet it's not because someone making those decisions in BOG but someone still calling the shoots from SAL.
Yellowtail, if UA keeps an aircraft R.O.N. at BZE, in the meanwhile, couldn't you get UA to tag-on PTY to BZE w/ CM code-share ?



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 102, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14125 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 101):
Yellowtail, if UA keeps an aircraft R.O.N. at BZE, in the meanwhile, couldn't you get UA to tag-on PTY to BZE w/ CM code-share ?

You got that hamster running in your head.....but it needs a rest. CM and AV would have a cow if UA did that.
 



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2704 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14100 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 102):
You got that hamster running in your head.....but it needs a rest. CM and AV would have a cow if UA did that.

Why go for Milk if one can have a cow.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 104, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14044 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 100):
A388..anytime you wanna come spotting in BZE just let me know...I can fix you up.

Thanks yellowtail.

A388


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13995 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 100):
IMHO AV are desperate trying to discourage CM from starting BZE....so they better send their best eqp.

I can see that coming, the problem is: When!

same goes for BGI

Right now there's a little bit of a problem, USD is geting strong again, it means for south americans tickets are costing more etc...


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 106, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13677 times:

First pax flight of LI's ATR scheduled for July 1st operating 361/364.

Quoting A388 (Reply 78):
LimaFoxTango and BW424, do you know when LIAT will send the first ATR flight to CUR? Can you keep me informed about the first flight?

Should be July 10, but subject to change.



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 107, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13467 times:

So BW CEO has resigned and the new board is reported to have made overtures to old BWIA execs for help.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Corbie--quits-CAL-213723431.html

http://www.newsday.co.tt/businessday/0,179788.html


Will these developments help BW. Additionally it seems that in addition to the font of the LIAT tittles the swish has also been modified.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 108, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13220 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 107):

I have a question. The Caribbean has had BWIA/CAL for 73 years, and LIAT for 57 years, and Air Jamaica/CAL for 44 years.

Why is it that we have such a shortage of competent senior airline management personnel to the point where CAL has to rely on two failures? Both Bertrand and Aleong were fired as they were disastrous.

It is clear that CAL has no one within its ranks who can competently replace Corbie. And they cannot even draw on former Air Jam personnel as a similar problem exists.


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13171 times:

Being discussed on another tread

LIAT CEO gets "hilarious complaint letter".

http://gma.yahoo.com/hilarious-airli...eo-142429419--abc-news-travel.html

Quoting guyanam (Reply 108):
Why is it that we have such a shortage of competent senior airline management personnel to the point where CAL has to rely on two failures? Both Bertrand and Aleong were fired as they were disastrous.

You sound like someone from Southern Brazil talking about someone from Northern Brazil! hehehehhe. There are competent CEO's in the caribbean for sure! my two cents are: As we are developing nations we still rely a lot on our GOVS, therefore there will be always the GOV "I think you should..." kind of people telling them what to do, but now I don't know if they are "forced" to do so, maybe that's a reason from resignations?


User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13168 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 108):
I have a question. The Caribbean has had BWIA/CAL for 73 years, and LIAT for 57 years, and Air Jamaica/CAL for 44 years.

Why is it that we have such a shortage of competent senior airline management personnel to the point where CAL has to rely on two failures? Both Bertrand and Aleong were fired as they were disastrous.

It is clear that CAL has no one within its ranks who can competently replace Corbie. And they cannot even draw on former Air Jam personnel as a similar problem exists.

I think for some one to really come in a do something right the government has to step totally out of the picture.


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13184 times:

Quoting skystar767 (Reply 89):

I was at a Guyana Tourism exibition in New York and FlyJamaica had a booth, and was told that they were starting at the end of July 2013.

The rep also said they would be doing nonstop JFK-GEO not via KIN.

GUYAIR707

[Edited 2013-07-01 11:02:30]

User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13167 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 108):

Because most appointees are Government friends, not based on credentials.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13107 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 112):

Aleong had a senior position with Air Canada before moving to run BWIA. Why did he succeed at AC and fail at BW? And what of the many middiel managers over the years at BW, JM and LI. Why have NONE of them developed to the point where they coulde be considered as a CEO.

I do agree that govts are to blame as Ian Brunton, is now with LIAT. We will see how long he lasts there as LI is even more corrupted by govts than BW is. At least FIVE (Bdos, ANU, DOM,SVD and now GND) all striving to have their folks hired and unprofitable routes serviced. And then there is SKB/NEV and SLU, who demand service but refuse to provide support.


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1436 posts, RR: 2
Reply 114, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 13008 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 107):
So BW CEO has resigned and the new board is reported to have made overtures to old BWIA execs for help.

Well, not to be fussy,but he was the Ag CEO.......For 2.5yrs, BW hasn't really had a real CEO as both Nicholas and Moonan along with former Vice-chair Jaikaran, loved playing airline gurus. However, this most recent development is a very good indication of some much needed house cleaning. I suspect that the appointment of a permanent CEO may be imminent.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 108):
I have a question. The Caribbean has had BWIA/CAL for 73 years, and LIAT for 57 years, and Air Jamaica/CAL for 44 years.

Why is it that we have such a shortage of competent senior airline management personnel to the point where CAL has to rely on two failures? Both Bertrand and Aleong were fired as they were disastrous.

It is clear that CAL has no one within its ranks who can competently replace Corbie. And they cannot even draw on former Air Jam personnel as a similar problem exists.

Well, this current GORTT has some very stubborn pride; so they won't contact Lok Jack nor Brunton to save political face. At the same time, I won't read into this reporter's utterances too much as he has always had a penchant for writing woefully inaccurate articles during the Lok Jack board days.

As for no one there to competently replace him; this is correct. Corbie wasn't competent in the first place for the position, let alone anyone else in the organization at the moment. This is way I believe the appointment of a REAL CEO is imminent. The only thing this tabloid-like reporter may be on to is the candidate for that position.....i.e. Michael Dolsingh; he is a consummate aviation professional.

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 110):
I think for some one to really come in a do something right the government has to step totally out of the picture.

That my friend is the real solution; however, till then, we can only hope for the best.


9Y-MBJ has had her CAL billboard titles painted on minus the hummingbird. CAL now has three birds that sport this lacking livery. They are

9Y-SXM
9Y-JMF
9Y-MBJ

There seems to be some confusion concerning the bird on the tail. It is a high-detailed decal and the company seems adamant to move away from adhesives. Speaking to someone within, he said he doesn't know what the situation will be with the bird decal has that cannot be painted.



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User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12967 times:

Quoting skystar767 (Reply 89):

I stand corrected, Kaieteur News has reported FlyJamaica will start GEO-JFK in October 2013.

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...a-for-new-york-route-from-october/

GUYAIR707


User currently offline8b775zq From St. Kitts and Nevis, joined Aug 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 12859 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 113):
And then there is SKB/NEV and SLU, who demand service but refuse to provide support.

Do you have a problem with SKB ? When did we ever demand service? With the exception of SXM there is currently no route in LI that we really have that high of a demand for so the current service levels are quite acceptable as they are now. NEV might be an exception but they are getting by with the service offered by Cape Air to SJU and SVG Air to MON and ANU. Most Kittitians now prefer to travel to MIA with AA for shopping trips than pay the high airfares LI offers to neighbouring islands.


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 117, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12767 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 113):
At least FIVE (Bdos, ANU, DOM,SVD and now GND) all striving to have their folks hired and unprofitable routes serviced.

What a bunch of crock. Anyway, GND is only a minority (non contributing) shareholder with less than a 1% stake.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12709 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 115):
I stand corrected, Kaieteur News has reported FlyJamaica will start GEO-JFK in October 2013.

Here we go again!


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12700 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 118):

Actually I was correct, Fly Jamaica is slated to begin service end of July. The airline in Kaieteur News was Fly Guyana. I did not pay enough attention, and I probably could not believe someone would be so original (sarcasm). Fly Jamaica is awaiting permission from US and Canada.

Someone else is proposing to begin daily JFK-GEO with the name Fly Guyana. No details on what a/c etc. Maybe another EZjet.

GUYAIR707

[Edited 2013-07-02 22:13:53]

User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 120, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12644 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 114):

Why are they moving away from the humming bird in its current form? At this rate they might as well slap a steel pan / steel drum on the tail and call it BWIA 2 lol.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12555 times:

Quoting 8b775zq (Reply 116):

SKB does not want LIAT service? If SKB/NEV folks living in the USVI and BVI cant get home, because LI has dropped SKB, I can imagine the outcry.. Do not take current levels of LI service for granted, especially, if as you say, demand is limited.


When LIAT assesses which routes are "social", definitely NEV, and maybe even some SKB service falls into that category, they will chop service. LI can no longer afford to supply unprofitable routes without revenue support.


And BTW I have an aunt resident in SKB, who used to live in STT. Like many people in her situation she badly needs flights to STT as she still needs to travel there. Even if this is not a sexy market as MIA is, there are still more than a few who need this "social" service. I will be sure that no SKB govt will want to answer why people who have fly to STT VIA MIA, or even ANU

Do not think that this mightnt happen one day. Note that LI seems to be shrinking their fleet size, if we look at current Dash 8 fleet size with what they propose for ATRs. And this with talk of new flights to Haiti and elsewhere.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 117):

I will let Brunton debate with you as to whether having to deal with different govt owners in LIAT is easier than one govt with CAL. As wll as non owners, who still demand a certain level of service by LI.

It is known that ANU has very different objectives as to the role that LI ought to play than does DOM or SVD. Maybe also BGI. GND was supposedly going to invest in LI. I guess, based on your comments, they decided not to.


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1436 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 12518 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 120):
Why are they moving away from the humming bird in its current form? At this rate they might as well slap a steel pan / steel drum on the tail and call it BWIA 2 lol.

Tell me about it....it just shows lack of emphasis on the importance of proper branding. This sort of thing would never occur back in 2009/10. As I mentioned earlier, I have a strong suspicion that the appointment of a permanent CEO is imminent. All the signs point to somewhat of a gradual recovery of the airline's corporate integrity. You don't see the chairman's face in the papers acting as if he were CEO and he refuses to comment/cannot be reached on very trivial, media exaggerated operational matters.



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offline8b775zq From St. Kitts and Nevis, joined Aug 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12133 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 121):

You are missing the point here. SKB is NOT demanding any extra service from LI as the current service levels are acceptable as is at the moment. LI goes to STT once daily with a nightly return flight which is usually the last flight to land at nights, one flight to EIS and one to SJU all via SXM daily. The govt wont have to explain anything to returning nationals that is the job of the airline just as they don't have to explain to returning nationals in AXA why they have to travel via SXM and even ANU. As said before most of our passenger flows are to the US mainland.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 124, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11858 times:

LI's second ATR, V2-LIC was delivered yesterday. LFT, do you know when it will arrive in ANU? I assume its taking the same route as the first ie TLS-ACE-SID-REC-GEO-ANU.

Also did you confirm if V2-LIB is a ATR 42 or not? Nothing listed on Planespotters yet.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11831 times:

Quoting 8b775zq (Reply 123):

I am not missing any point. LI carries 38k passengers into SKB annually. Divide that by 6 flights per day 365 days of the year and ask yourself what the economics of landing a 68 seater (ATR) to drop off 17 passengers will be. And these numbers are declining so we are talking about less than this, if we project ahead. Especially as I dont think that SKB is on the list of "must see" islands for regiional travelers that SXM ANU SLU BGI and POS are. Nor does LI enjoy a monopoly for all travel as they do to SVD and DOM which lack jet airports.

This is not about demanding EXTRA service. Its about whether the current level of service will be maintained. Especially to points other than ANU and SXM.

Given that many SKN nationals live in STT and there are many economic ties between these islands (remittances sent back, SKN retirees still having to go to STT for personal trips, etc) STT occupies way more importance for more people than does AXA. Indeed much AXA SKB travel might fall into discretionary, whereas STT SKB travel is more likely to be mandatory.

Some time ago LI made Kittitians have to change planes in SXM from STT, a hardship, given that a fair % of these passengers are senior citizens. Your PM made mention of this and voila same plane service was added back. So if getting to STT becomes a hassle where people have to fly to ANU, then to SJU and then change airlines into STT?

And I am fully aware of the socio economic dynamics of the STT SKB connection as many of my relatives are involved in this. Especially that the younger members are less connected to SKB, which is why the travel loads are declining, as more of the older folks die or become too old to travel.

The USVI can safely be put into the category of social routes. Less profitable, due to declining travel. But of vital importance to those who still need to use these routes.


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11790 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 124):

LIC is currently enroute to ANU and shoud be there today 8 Jul. FR24.com shows LIC routing FOR direct ANU!!! LIB is actually a 72 I'm told.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 127, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11811 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 126):
LIC is currently enroute to ANU and shoud be there today 8 Jul. FR24.com shows LIC routing FOR direct ANU!!!

I was just about to post this! Was a bit surprised when I saw it on FR24.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 126):
LIB is actually a 72 I'm told.

Interesting, I wonder why they registered LIC before LIB then  



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 128, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11797 times:

LimaFoxTango, is the LIAT flight to CUR this coming July 10th still operated by their ATR72? Please keep me informed about their first ATR flight either via this thread or a private message. Thanks a lot  

Cheers,

A388


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 129, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11799 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 128):

I just tracked V2-LIA on FR24.com, It just did LI361, BGI-DOM, seems to have landed now though.

V2-LIC is flying over Guadeloupe. You can track here: http://t.co/2RHNyhrwTF

[Edited 2013-07-08 11:34:32]


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 130, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11775 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 129):
Quoting A388 (Reply 128):


I just tracked V2-LIA on FR24.com, It just did LI361, BGI-DOM, seems to have landed now though.

V2-LIC is flying over Guadeloupe. You can track here: http://t.co/2RHNyhrwTF

[Edited 2013-07-08 11:34:32]

Thanks 817Dreamliiner. LIA and LIC are the only ATR's LIAT has so far?

Cheers,

A388


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 131, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11776 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 130):
Thanks 817Dreamliiner. LIA and LIC are the only ATR's LIAT has so far?

No problem! At the moment, yes. Though According to LFT, V2-LIB is a 72, when initially was thought to be a 42 (which in my opinion would have made more sense, but we'll see).

It seems both ATR's are currently in ANU, LIA continued as LI361 from DOM.



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User currently offline8b775zq From St. Kitts and Nevis, joined Aug 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11682 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 125):

Many SKN national hav left STT or are planning to. The effects of the economic downturn severely impacted th USVI couple that with the fact that many do not like the hassle of dealing with immigration and tsa at STT and many therefore opt to bypass the USVI altogether. I am one such person so I do understand. And also my comment was geared to your "demanding service" response as SKB is surely not demanding anything from LI the service is acceptable as is with declining loads and all and please don't speak of trying to fill a '72 as LI will also have a '42 which is similar size to the dhc8.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 133, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11556 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 131):
No problem! At the moment, yes.

Great thanks again my friend  

A388


User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1898 posts, RR: 6
Reply 134, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11534 times:

I think we haven't talk about that Winair will add two ATR72-200s: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...d-regional-network-from-st-maarten

User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 135, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11483 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 134):
I think we haven't talk about that Winair will add two ATR72-200s: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...arten

Wow, well I can safely say that I didn't see that coming... Either way, looks like we'll have another ATR operator in the Caribbean. I think the ATR would look great in the Winair Livery.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11436 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 135):
Wow, well I can safely say that I didn't see that coming...

Wooow me neither! I dreamed they'd start MNI from SXM..... AXA seriously? to compete with the 20 dollars/20 minutes minutes ferry crossing?


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11284 times:

Quoting 8b775zq (Reply 132):

You make an excellent case why STT and especially STX might be dropped if no revenue guarantees are provided. So its not too far fetched for LI to make a commercial decision to drop USVI unless revenue guarantees are provided. As the USVI do not care the slightest about connections to the OECS clearly they will not respond to any such request.

The issue will be whether those impacted, people with ties to the USVI and SKN nationals who live in the USVI, and who still have ties to SKN (owning homes, sending money to relatives,etc), will be silent if such a severe hardship is placed on them. The fact that the political parties in SKN still campaign in the USVI and fly home nationals to vote does suggest to me that this is not an unimportant constituency, even if it is declining in size and increasingly consiting of the elderly. This being especially true for the Labor party.


What is clear is that LI can no longer continue to operate as it has. It will need to be have a greater commercial, and less of a social function, unless it plans to end up like BWIA and Air Jamaica. It does not have big daddy T&T to subsidize its operations as CAL has.

So if SKN does not offer profit opportunities for LI than expect LI to demand revenue guarantees, or cut service if it does not get it. Ian Brunton has singled out SKN and SLU in his comments, and indeed punished GND and SLU last year by massively cutting service.

So will NEV be quiet if LI drops them, this having lost Eagle, and seen severe declines in Winair service?


Quoting viasa (Reply 134):

Winar is once again trying to add service to points beyond the islands close to SXM? They have done this many times before and it never seems to work out.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 138, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11271 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 134):
I think we haven't talk about that Winair will add two ATR72-200s: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...arten

Thats a big step up from Otters and requires a whole 'nuther level of operational style.

I hope they are ready for it. The last airline in our region who tried to do it (MW..moving from 208s to ATRs) failed.

I wish them good luck.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 139, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11259 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 136):
I dreamed they'd start MNI from SXM

We did have service to SXM at one point, I believe it was shortly after they started ops in MNI after the new airport was official opened. I remember it didn't last too long as scheduled flights, but from time to time they would do a few charters.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 140, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11220 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 129):
V2-LIC is flying over Guadeloupe. You can track here: http://t.co/2RHNyhrwTF

817Dreamliiner, how are you doing? I can't seem to trace the latest routing of V2-LIC. Can you trace both LIA and LIC for me and keep me informed of the whereabouts of these aircraft?

Cheers,

A388


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 141, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11203 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 140):
817Dreamliiner, how are you doing? I can't seem to trace the latest routing of V2-LIC. Can you trace both LIA and LIC for me and keep me informed of the whereabouts of these aircraft?

Im doing fine  . V2-LIA is currently doing LI364 BGI-DOM at moment: http://fr24.com/LIA364 I think this flight continues to ANU so it might show up with the same flight number after it lands.

Haven't seen V2-LIC on fr24 since the delivery flight. But ill post, here if I see it. It might be still in ANU, Im sure LFT can confirm.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 11181 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 139):
We did have service to SXM at one point, I believe it was shortly after they started ops in MNI after the new airport was official opened. I remember it didn't last too long as scheduled flights

MNI is really undeserved! needing to transit through ANU is a pain for someone who knows how immigration lines, and other facilities there can be appalling! hopefully MNI will get more airlift until I get the chance to get there one day!!!  


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 143, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11156 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 142):

Well, underserved wouldnt be the word I would use. MNI is too focused on ANU, though, there is good reason for it. ANU is the nearest intl airport (well, I should say english speaking). Not only that, ANU offers flights from different airlines to various destinations, so it makes sense. But relying on ANU only, doesnt help much with our tourism. Now im not saying ANU is the problem, actually, transitting in ANU isnt as bad as you probably think it is. The problem is, like i said before is that we are too focused on ANU and no where else. FlyMonterrat's only scheduled destination is ANU. They once had a nevis flight, but it was hardly ever marketed and honestly im not even sure if they dropped it or not. You hardly hear anything about any expansion with Flymontserrat. Though they did say for a long time they were gonna aquire a twin otter, but up to now, nothing. Personally id like to see something different land here, i find it quite boring just seeing only BN-2 islanders... Id like to also see them open up destinations such as PTP and SKB.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 144, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11019 times:

A388, I just checked FR24, V2-LIA is up and flying DOM-BGI http://fr24.com/LIA364 So far This the only route it seems to be doing for the time being, no sign of V2-LIC yet.


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User currently offlineJM02 From France, joined Mar 2009, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10924 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 144):
no sign of V2-LIC yet

V2-LIC only arrived on Mon 8 Jul, whilst LIA arrived on the 17 Jun; that may explain why LIC is not yet in service. It does seem strange that LIC came before LIB.

I see Liat have set up a Twitter account and they also made an attempt at a repost to Sir Richard Branson's highlighting one of their customer's complaint letter but both the repost and the twitter account appeared to be ill-thought-out.


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10906 times:

Quoting JM02 (Reply 145):

The response trie dto make light of Branson. However Branson is too much credibilityvs LIAT which has none. A quick review of skytax will show why. Unfortunately for LIAT many non Caribbean potential customers will use this site to form an opinion. Sadly islands which are LI dependent suffer as a LIAT. DOM, SVD, and EIS, AXA in the case of UK passengers.

LIAT should have taken the letter seriously and mounted a serious response showing their refleeting and other steps that they are taking to improve reliability.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 147, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 10877 times:

Quoting JM02 (Reply 145):
V2-LIC only arrived on Mon 8 Jul, whilst LIA arrived on the 17 Jun; that may explain why LIC is not yet in service.

Funnily enough, V2-LIC showed up on FR24 not too long ago, but disappeared shortly after. No doubt it will go into service in a couple days or so.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10842 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 143):
ANU offers flights from different airlines to various destinations, so it makes sense.

SXM makes even more sense if it was served cause they have KL, AF, caribbean, north and latin american carriers serving, ANU only got the english airlines for historical reasons (a few seasonal charter from other european countries), apart of course american carriers and caribbean. A few years ago I flew SKB ANU, I dreaded myself, the flight with LI took 20 minutes, I stand at immigration for nearly 2 hours, the flights from the UK were there, no space, air conditioning not working, staff rude at best, customs officers lost and desperate, to take a taxi you line again because they want you to share with people going to the same direction.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 143):
They once had a nevis flight, but it was hardly ever marketed and honestly im not even sure if they dropped it or not.

it's still on their page! flymontserrat should give SXM a try, who knows?


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 149, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10826 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 148):
SXM makes even more sense if it was served cause they have KL, AF, caribbean, north and latin american carriers serving, ANU only got the english airlines for historical reasons (a few seasonal charter from other european countries), apart of course american carriers and caribbean.

Actually, the market to France, Netherlands and Latin America is not that strong from Montserrat (actually its pretty much non existent) than it is to the UK and the USA plus the Caribbean of course. Sure SXM offers more destinations, but ANU is literally a stone throw away...

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 148):
A few years ago I flew SKB ANU, I dreaded myself, the flight with LI took 20 minutes, I stand at immigration for nearly 2 hours, the flights from the UK were there, no space, air conditioning not working, staff rude at best, customs officers lost and desperate, to take a taxi you line again because they want you to share with people going to the same direction.

Well, I cant really speak about the taxis considering I hardly spent more than 2 hours in ANU on my last few trips there. But yes the lines can be long at immigration when the UK and US flights are on the ground, fortunately for me I can avoid that  , sort of. Thats usually between 1-3pm on the weekends, Any other times during the day it isnt as bad.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 148):
it's still on their page! flymontserrat should give SXM a try, who knows?

Really now? Well, thats news to me. Like I said, they hardly ever market it and im sure hardly anyone here knows about it. SXM? well, it could work if they market it properly... but I wouldnt hold my breathe...



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User currently offline8b775zq From St. Kitts and Nevis, joined Aug 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10668 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 137):

NEV for the most part seems content with the service offered by Cape Air, SVG Air and FlyMontserrat. The LI daily STT flight and return seems just satisfactory as SKB at this moment cannot or will not offer any guarantees especially if Winair is getting ATR's. Winair has failed in plenty of the other islands because of the perception of the travelling public of their Twin Otters. Most see them as small and noisy and probably unsafe when compared to LI's 8's. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens now they seem to be stepping up their game.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 151, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10643 times:

Quoting 8b775zq (Reply 150):

Honestly, I actually have no knowledge of this flight to Nevis currently operating, pretty much goes to show what a crap airline they are... With regards to Winair, they pretty much only pulled out of MNI because the Government couldn't afford to Subsidise them anymore. You'd be surprised, Winair was much more preferred to the montserratian public than FlyMontserrat, But I guess opinions differ else where. (Yes I know you were comparing them to the dash 8s, just saying that not everyone think they're unsafe)

Oh and speaking of FlyMontserrat, This one is for A388  Smile :

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3718/9194663875_13a0d5a112_o.jpg
FlyMontserrat BN-2 Islander by 817Dreamliiner, on Flickr

Had that accepted overnight on the "other" site Big grin

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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10646 times:

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
Winair was much more preferred to the montserratian public than FlyMontserrat

I have a funny "tale" to tell about Winair, I first flew them in february 2011, from SXM to EUX return, early flight, nothing special, I was expecting the Twin otter, I was traveling with a friend who happen to be cabin crew, when he saw the plane he started shaking and I told him to be a man and stop it, he was crew after all! anyways we boarded, suddenly the tower told the pilots something like altitude I can't remember but somehow the co-pilot misunderstood, the captain got PISSED OFF, and started yelling in front of EVERYBODY ON THE PLANE at the co-pilot that he was a dead weight, nobody in winair wanted to fly with him, that he should have being sent back home, people were in shock and my friend looked at me and said: WE ARE GOING TO CRASH, he's going to crush this plane! I can be a very cold heart person but I knew that guy cold do something if he wanted, he was much bigger and stronger than the capitain, well I made it alive at least!

 


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 153, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10626 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 148):
SXM makes even more sense if it was served cause they have KL, AF, caribbean, north and latin american carriers serving,

L M A O, there is only one Latin American airline serving SXM  

A388


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10609 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 153):
there is only one Latin American airline serving SXM

Dutch Antilles Express, Jetblue and Insel air (may not be considered "latin american carriers") but they bring pax's from Domenican Republic, Colombia, Venezuela and Puerto Rico heeeeemmmmmm HEY LATIN AMERICA! and soon AUA BON and your CUR will be latin america too due to the high number of illegal immigrants and international marriage and breeding.

so if you though I was considering only CM.... very naïve.

[Edited 2013-07-12 10:32:48]

[Edited 2013-07-12 10:33:21]

User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 155, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10569 times:

Quoting 8b775zq (Reply 150):

Well 817 doesnt seem to impressed with FlyMontserrats service to NEV. Are you sure that they still go there? Ditto for SVG AIr.

Suspect not as if there was an alternate service to ANU from NEV (to allow connections to LGW on BA and VS) LI would have dropped NEV long ago. Indeed I have often wondered why SVG Air doesnt replace LI to NEV as they did to BBQ. Maybe the NEV govt is concerned about the heavy baggage from UK originating passengers traveling from the UK. I have been told that most UK tourists to SKN stay in NEV and not SKB. Will not argue as to whether its true or not as you will know more about this.


Will Winar stick to a route which isnt profitable, like the USVI? Winair doesnt have to answer to an irate PM at an OECS/CARICOM meeting. LIATs CEO does. I suspect that just as how many people stuck with LI against CaribStar, becasue they were at least the devil which they knew, the same will go for Winair, at least where the OECS govts are concerned.

When I hear LI complaining about social routes two things jump up to me. The USVI and NEV. Both impacting the SKN Federation. LI seems happy with their DOM routes and with the market in the Southern Caribbean, and obviously with SXM. As you can see there is not talk for the new ATRs to fly to the northern islands in the immediate future.


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 156, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10573 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 154):

Yes I can see your point about the ABC islands. I see them as being more "Latin" then SXM and the rest of the non Hispanic caribbean, not the least because of the changing composition of their populations. The "Dutch" ABC islanders, especially Curacao, are headed to the Netherlands, and you have said whose replacing them.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 157, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 10556 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 154):
Dutch Antilles Express, Jetblue and Insel air (may not be considered "latin american carriers") but they bring pax's from Domenican Republic, Colombia, Venezuela and Puerto Rico heeeeemmmmmm HEY LATIN AMERICA! and soon AUA BON and your CUR will be latin america too due to the high number of illegal immigrants and international marriage and breeding.

so if you though I was considering only CM.... very naïve.

L M A O A, in what world do you live in saying that DAE and Insel Air are Latin American airlines? They carry latin american passengers and that means they are latin, right? By this logic, UA would be a U.S., Asian, Latin American AND European airline. BA isn't a British airline but Asian, Latin American, U.S. and a European airline. Wait a minute, that makes GOL a Caribbean airline too!!! L O V L

This is your sentence and note the bold text:


SXM makes even more sense if it was served cause they have KL, AF, caribbean, north and latin american carriers serving,

A388

[Edited 2013-07-12 12:42:03]

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