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End Of Visits In The Flight Deck?  
User currently offlineLOT POLISH From Poland, joined Jul 2000, 70 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

I think, that now it will be impossible to visit cockpit during flight and maybe also after landing!
Maybe some of you visit the flight deck after 11th september?
Tell me, what do you think, is it still possible to go there?


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User currently offlineAviationIvi From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 777 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

I will fly LH again this week and I think that I will not be allowed to visit the cockpit altough I had some jumpseat tours on LH jets in the past. Give them all some time and they will open the door again. We all know that this is not a solution for this problem.
So don´t worry, you´ll probably be able to visit the cockpit in a few weeks or months.

Regards from FRA
Ivica


User currently offlineLOT POLISH From Poland, joined Jul 2000, 70 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

I was many times in cockpit of LOT 767's and once on ATR-72, but i think, that in Poland people from security don't like to make it possible again...
Regards from WAW!


User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2057 times:
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You can still go after the flight when the people leave and take a couple of pictures mabye if you can ask them.


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User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

AviationIvi: I have to fully agree with you. The doors will probably be locked for a while now, but give them time and ofcourse Cockpit visits (in flight) will be allowed again.

tg 747-300



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User currently offlineAviationIvi From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 777 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

A Lufthansa City Line captain told me that they close the cockpit door now but he also thinks that it will be opened for cockpit visits soon.

(Maybe "soon" means in a few months...)

Regards from Frankfurt
Ivica
btw: if I get a cockpit seat one day I would let some interested guys come in on long haul flights only...


User currently offlineDee-see-eit From Spain, joined Jan 2000, 435 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

I think it will be impossible for the next months to visit the cockpit in flight, unless you know personally the flight crew or can identify yourself as aviation photographer, and even then it surely only works if you apply for it in advance.

Lets wait and hope everything gets into its normal place in some time.

In any case, as somebody already said, it will be easier to make some photos on the ground.

DC8



User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2213 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Someone above said that "this is not a solution for this problem". Uh, how do you figure? I mean, these assholes got into the cockpit and flew the planes into the WTC. If there hadn't been anyway of entering the cockpit, this would not have happened. I don't understand your logic. I hope the FAA makes new requirements for stronger doors with external cameras to check the immediate entrance area for unapproved people trying to get in. I assume the FAs will still have to enter to deliver food and drink but outside of that I see no reason for pax to enter the cockpit. My personal feeling is that your viewing entertainment should take a permanent backseat to flight safety and disaster prevention. I know this sucks dor people like us but it's a small sacrifice. At a minimum, this practice should be banned on ALL inbound/outbound flights to/from the US, regardless of carrier. It seems perfectly obvious to me.

User currently offlineLOT POLISH From Poland, joined Jul 2000, 70 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

I hope, that it'll be possible to visit flight deck in flight in next few months...
Maybe also to stay there for landing...


User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3623 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

I think that visits will be allowed after USA deals with the terrorists.

User currently offlineElal106 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

all you guys are lacking common sense,
Wingman you are totally correct and i agreee with you all the way....all u guys forget about getting in cockpits or anything...this affects all the airlines across the globe, not just the United states.
they will ban it like they already do in the USA. its a huge safety precaution.


User currently offlineYKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

I belive Canadian and European carriers will continue to allow flightdeck visits. If someone wants to hijack a plane, a flimsy door isin't going to stop them and their not gonna ask the F/A for a flight deck visit. What may happen is the FA's might be told to evaluate the person requsting a visit before asking the captain whether or not he minds.

As for your question regarding whether LOT will continue to allow vists, I belive they will. There have not been any terrorists attacks or air rage incidents on their aircraft so they have not real reason to stop them. Besides why would any terroris want to attack any Polish aircraft? Poland does not have any forgein enemys and terrorists strike only those towords whom they feel hate.

Ohh yeah, LOT POLISH, welcome to the forums.....its always nice to see another countryman here.

p.s. Hows WAW these day? Any heavies at the airport(besides LOTS 767's)?


User currently offlineAviationIvi From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 777 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1962 times:

Wingman:
YKA wrote:
"If someone wants to hijack a plane, a flimsy door isin't going to stop them..."

agree!

"This is not a solution for this problem..." Thats what I wrote. And I didn´t change my mind.
A solution would be to have much better preflight checks where all those damned terrorists could not carry any weapons into a plane. If someone hijacks a plane he would kill one pax after an other until the pilot opens the door or he would bomb the aircraft into thousand parts in the air maybe somewhere over a big city like NY and we would have the same...

There is only ONE solution: to protect pax, crew etc. by having much, much, much better security checks at the airport!

Regards from FRA
Ivica


User currently offlineRw774477 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1069 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1954 times:

Let's look at the ElAl ops for starters

rw774477



User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1950 times:

YKA, KLM has already stopped visits effective immediately (as of the 12th that is).
Other airlines are certain to follow. For now the door is locked and bolted and the flightcrew will have to find different entertainment on long flights  Innocent

There is talk in the US about armouring the cockpit doors as well as locking them. The materials under discussion are strong enough to stop a pistolround.

b.t.w., Dutch equivalent of the NTSB has announced it is opposed to locked cabindoors as it prevents cockpitcrew from investigating technical problems elsewhere in the aircraft (maybe they forgot to check on which side of the door the lock is, but they have a point  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ).



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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Even if they allow, will the pilots feel confident enough to allow visits after all these?

I do hope cockpit visits can continue.

alvin



Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineLOT POLISH From Poland, joined Jul 2000, 70 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Hi!
Yes... Now at WAW we've for example Air Transat A310 or sometimes El Al 747-200. I heard that also Il-76 visited us some time ago.
Are you from Poland? I'm from WAW.
I hope, that i can stay in cockpit for landing in my next flight (maybe LOT maybe other carrier).
Best Regards!


User currently offlineLOT POLISH From Poland, joined Jul 2000, 70 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Also i was once in the flight deck of LOT ATR-72 on KRK-WAW route... I think that it's not easy to be in cockpit of small turboprops during the flight...
YKA-Write something!


User currently offlineAviationIvi From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 777 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Hi again,
right, this Air BC Dash 8 cockpit is very small. I could take this picture at Vancouver International after landing staying at the cockpit-door.

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Ivica Ramljak - FRA Spotting


MD-90 has also no room for moving Big grin
CRJ and ARJ cockpits have 1 small jumpseat.

Regards from FRA
Ivica


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