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New Int'l Service To Oakland  
User currently offlineheysfo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 51 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

Was curious who you thought was coming into town....


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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3127 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 7886 times:
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For Scandinavia: Thomas Cook Scandinavia, as SAS recently started SFO.

For England: Probably Thomas Cook to LGW or MAN. I don't really see BA being interested in OAK that much.

I choose Thomas Cook for both as they seem to be focusing on tourism, which seems to be right up their alley.



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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 938 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 7691 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):
For Scandinavia: Thomas Cook Scandinavia, as SAS recently started SFO.

In any case, I am sure it is 99% Norwegian, which is extremely agressive, and is expanding long-haul. And 99% sure it is not TCS which is kind of old-school charter airline that has basically sun&sea destinations (hence OAK does not fit). A CPH/OSL/ARN-OAK with Norwegian could make sense (they are also starting FLL and JFK).

[Edited 2013-05-21 18:12:28]

User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 7662 times:

For Germany, I see Condor

Scandinavia: Norwegian Airlines

The UK, Thomas Cook



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 7628 times:
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I think it might be Condor out of FRA. Condor (Thomas Cook) has been building up cities along the west coast. I also think that maybe Edelweiss would be interested in OAK service with their A330's. Either of them could do a round-robin flight like what Martinair did in the past...FRA-OAK-SEA-FRA or FRA-SEA-OAK-FRA.

User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 7273 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 4):

Don't know about their a330-300s. They are already deployed on alot of routes, and routes such as TPA they are downgrading because they don't have enough planes. But Norwegian seems like a carrier, covering big markets such as New York (JFK), Miami with the large market, being a tourist destinations and cruises via (FLL) and OAK would cover the bay area.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6727 times:
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Quoting TPAfan (Reply 5):
Don't know about their a330-300s. They are already deployed on alot of routes, and routes such as TPA they are downgrading because they don't have enough planes. But Norwegian seems like a carrier, covering big markets such as New York (JFK), Miami with the large market, being a tourist destinations and cruises via (FLL) and OAK would cover the bay area.

Hmmm...maybe Norwegian is looking at SEA as well. SEA has a fairly large Scandinavian population and could give FI a run for its money during the summer season.


User currently offlinerampbro From Canada, joined Nov 2012, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5799 times:

Oakland to the Azores? How can there possibly be a market for that?

User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

Quoting rampbro (Reply 8):
Oakland to the Azores? How can there possibly be a market for that?

The San Francisco/Oakland area has the third largest Portuguese population in the United States after Boston and New York.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5642 times:
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Quoting rampbro (Reply 8):
Oakland to the Azores? How can there possibly be a market for that?

Believe it or not...OAK has had that seasonal service for years. These days, it's operated by SATA International using an A310.


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

I hope to fly on the Arkefly service this year - interesting route too, on Thu it goes via LAS. LAS to OAK on a Dutch charter 767 is pretty exotic! Then again I think Arkefly is 2-4-2 on the seven-six which is super packed. It's exotic qualities probably wear off pretty fast. Still fancy it though...


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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 10):

Whee does it stop on the way to the Azores? Unlikely it has the range.



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1785 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 12):
Whee does it stop on the way to the Azores? Unlikely it has the range.

Why not ? On Great Circle Mapper, PDL-OAK is 5010mi long. Of course this data is not 100% accurate compared to real flights, however S4 has in its fleet of A310 one -325(ET) which has a range of around 6000mi.



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 13):

Thank you for the information. I am not verse in the range of the A310 and was basing my guess on an aircraft that is 20+ years old. But, it looks like the flight stops in Toronto before heading over the Atlantic.


S4 236 Oakland (OAK) 16:15 (Scheduled)
Toronto (YYZ) 23:50 (Scheduled)

[Edited 2013-05-22 17:37:45]


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6205 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4370 times:
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Quoting skycub (Reply 9):
The San Francisco/Oakland area has the third largest Portuguese population in the United States after Boston and New York.

And...they are Portuguese from the Azores, mostly.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 12):
Whee does it stop on the way to the Azores? Unlikely it has the range.

I´m pretty sure it stops in BOS



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4008 times:
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I think the S4 flights between the Azores and OAK change from year to year. I've seen the Azores Express flights stop in YYZ, Hamilton, BOS. There were a couple of years where the service used North American 767-300s instead of SATA International.

User currently offlinepsa1011 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3879 times:
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Did a random search on this flight, and it looks like it can do nonstop eastbound.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/RZO236


User currently offlineIFlyOAK From United States of America, joined May 2013, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

All, SATA ,Sociedade Açoreana de Transportes Aéreos (English: Azorean Society for Aviation Transport), has been flying the OAK-TER segment seasonally in the summer months for many years. It is a great niche market for them and they enjoy significant repeat business. Typically, the season sells out and every seat is full. Service onboard the A310-300 is reported to be great. The aircraft makes a scheduled technical stop in YYZ (YHM was used previously), but sometime it is omitted if conditions are favorable for a nonstop.

User currently offlineIFlyOAK From United States of America, joined May 2013, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Those of us here at OAK wanted to thank you all for your interest in our growing international business. In order to dispel some rumors here are the facts about what is up for this Summer at OAK:

REGARDING EUROPEAN SERVICE:
OAK welcomes back nonstop service to international vacation destinations this summer, allowing both Bay Area travelers and inbound tourists more opportunities for travel:

Following the successful launch last summer, Dutch airline ArkeFly, a unit of TUI Travel, is back for their second season of service to Amsterdam Airport Schiphol (AMS) which began on May 19, 2013. ArkeFly flies to Amsterdam from OAK every Thursday and Sunday through October 20th. Thursday departures are nonstop to Amsterdam, while Sunday flights make one stop in Los Angeles (LAX).

SATA International will resume seasonal summer service from OAK to the Azores Islands on June 6, 2013. The Azores Islands are a Portuguese archipelago paradise in the Atlantic Ocean roughly 900 miles from Lisbon. The once-weekly flight departs and arrives every Wednesday between June 6 and October 2, 2013.

REGARDING MEXICO SERVICE:
Volaris Airlines offers daily nonstop flights to Guadalajara out of OAK with connecting service to destinations throughout Mexico. Nonstop flights to Mexico City (MEX), Mexico are also scheduled for the peak summer season with evening flights scheduled Fridays through Sundays in July, and Fridays through Mondays in August and September.


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Quoting IFlyOAK (Reply 18):
Those of us here at OAK wanted to thank you all for your interest in our growing international business. In order to dispel some rumors here are the facts about what is up for this Summer at OAK:

So then the rumors of "new" flights to Germany, UK and Scandinavia are just rumors. Airports, OAK,SFO SJC etc... talk to carriers regularly about opening up new routes. Some pan out and others do not.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3324 times:
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Of course, OAK is not going to openly discuss upcoming service until it is officially announced by the airline. They won't even speculate. Nothing's changed there.

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2115 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
Believe it or not...OAK has had that seasonal service for years. These days, it's operated by SATA International using an A310.

You know, in all my years of flying to or through OAK, I've never seen the A310 there. It's kind of like a narwhal. You've heard of them, seen photos of them and you know they exist, but you've never actually seen one in person.


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 21):

Considering it only operates seasonally and only one day a week, the odds are against you.

[Edited 2013-05-24 00:05:40]


John@SFO
User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2724 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 21):
You know, in all my years of flying to or through OAK, I've never seen the A310 there. It's kind of like a narwhal. You've heard of them, seen photos of them and you know they exist, but you've never actually seen one in person.

Thank god for youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thfoe8Dl9Jo


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2903 times:
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Quoting chrisair (Reply 21):
You know, in all my years of flying to or through OAK, I've never seen the A310 there. It's kind of like a narwhal. You've heard of them, seen photos of them and you know they exist, but you've never actually seen one in person.

I thought the same way when Martinair was flying 747-200's on the OAK-AMS route and Corsair 747-SP on the PPT-OAK-ORY route.


25 n471wn : And how I miss those days......OAK is so much more convenient to the East Bay and is actually closer to downtown San Francisco than SFO is. When the
26 rutankrd : Its not rumours and it IS Thomas Cook Group using TCX from Manchester Condor from Frankfurt and TC Scandinavia from Stockholm all from Northern Summer
27 AF022 : What kind of article is this? According to industry sources, the city is in talks with a number of European airlines and close to inking deals with ca
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