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User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 867 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8968 times:

Flybe will suspend all LGW routes from March 2014 after selling their slots to Easyjet.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-22629518


I wonder if the operation will move to another London airport?

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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

I'm not surprised, this has been coming for a long time now. The question is, will easyJet continue to serve some routes, albeit on a reduced frequency, or will some UK regions lose their links to the capital?


Dan  



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User currently offlinebendewire From UK - England, joined May 2011, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8550 times:

It is still subject to shareholder agreement, Easyjet have announced it will use slots to expand services but did not mention if it will serve Belfast, probably due to high regionsl APD charges

User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8533 times:

Nowadays LGW is increasingly an O & D airport rather than connecting hub. I don't see how, hypothetically, routes moving from LGW to STN will affect long haul connectivity all that much as these flights go from Heathrow. Travel into Central London is easier from Gatwick but there isn't all that much in it, and from STN you are straight into the City.

If you want to connect to the US from Inverness via Flybe then you can always go through MAN! Likewise through MAN on to Middle East carriers.

If we were talking about losing INV-LHR flights then that is a totally different matter.


User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8360 times:

Quoting bendewire (Reply 2):
Easyjet have announced it will use slots to expand services but did not mention if it will serve Belfast, probably due to high regionsl APD charges

easyJet are long established already on LGW-ABZ/INV/BFS so I guess we'll see IOM/BHD/JER/GCI/NQY dropped.
Aurigny will pick up the slack on GCI.


User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8123 times:

Shame to see FlyBe having to cut its operations. I thought they were doing really well and only last year I believe they were talking about expansion.

Do you think more people are flying longhaul now rather than short or domestic routes as the economy slightly improves?


User currently offlineabrown532 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8053 times:

easyJet tried and failed to make BHD work for them, they WILL keep their BFS service but EI will now have the monopoly!

User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7959 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 4):
guess we'll see IOM/BHD/JER/GCI/NQY dropped.

There was an emailed statement from BE today, which mentioned high airport charges and APD for its decision. It has also been mentioned that U2 would operate the LGW-JER route for ten months, then make a decision (which no doubt would involve some support from the Jersey authorities!) about its future. GCI will go, but IOM might have a chance, because U2 already serves it from LPL.

The big problem for JER is that U2 tends not to nightstop, which means that there will be no overnight flight. That's a very important thing from a Jersey perspective. However, whatever happens, I hope that U2 jacks up capacity sharply; BE downgraded the JER service to 175s (from 195s) and the overall capacity drop has had an effect on fares.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7896 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
IOM might have a chance, because U2 already serves it from LPL.

And daily from LGW.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
The big problem for JER is that U2 tends not to nightstop, which means that there will be no overnight flight.

True, but EZY does overnight where necessary and it could decide against a multiple-daily operation and just fly daily catering more to leisure passengers. Who knows? Anyway, this early morning thing need not be an issue, slots permitting, given the very short block time on LGW-JER-LGW (55/60 minutes), although there would likely be LF and yield implications. Guess we will see what materialises.

[Edited 2013-05-23 05:11:22]


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5579 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7891 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
That's a very important thing from a Jersey perspective

At least BA are still there, plus SI to LCY. GCI is more concerning because it leaves GR with a monopoly from the Island to London. I guess SI could consider GCI-LCY, but I feel that BE leaving the market will have a bigger impact there than Jersey. Also don't forget that EZY already serves SEN-JER.



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User currently offlinebendewire From UK - England, joined May 2011, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7504 times:

So sad for Flybe, ultra modern fleet and have tried so hard, but thanks to UK government who seem hell bent on destroying aviation in the UK and 1,000's of jobs that go with it.

User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2318 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7365 times:

Interesting that BA (who owns a stake in Flybe) would be willing to sell to an arch LGW competitor. Goes to highest bidder I suppose.

User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7336 times:

Quoting by738 (Reply 11):
Interesting that BA (who owns a stake in Flybe) would be willing to sell to an arch LGW competitor. Goes to highest bidder I suppose.

Why would a minority shareholder (ie about 15% I believe) have a say in how the company is run?


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Quoting bendewire (Reply 10):

So sad for Flybe, ultra modern fleet and have tried so hard, but thanks to UK government who seem hell bent on destroying aviation in the UK and 1,000's of jobs that go with it.

APD is a wider issue, but it's not the cause of this.


Dan  



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7135 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 12):
Quoting by738 (Reply 11):
Interesting that BA (who owns a stake in Flybe) would be willing to sell to an arch LGW competitor. Goes to highest bidder I suppose.

Why would a minority shareholder (ie about 15% I believe) have a say in how the company is run?

If it improves BA's investment in Flybe then I would think they would be very happy. Deal is subject to shareholder approval so we will see if they vote for or against but as noted as a 15% shareholder there are another 85% who can vote in favor.


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7081 times:

I am more concerned about the possible reduction in choice at Newquay.

Also this, plus deferment of E175 does not look good.


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2318 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 12):
Why would a minority shareholder (ie about 15% I believe) have a say in how the company is run?

Why would they not ?


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 15):
I am more concerned about the possible reduction in choice at Newquay.

In many ways Newquay and Cornwall County Council are now reaping what they have sewn.

Contrary to independent advice, experts and the management at Air Southwest, FlyBe was encouraged to compete on the route to London. The ensuing price war lead to Air Southwest exiting the route, entering financial difficulty and ultimately being sold off. This in turn lead to Plymouth's closure, which Al Titterington described as 'great news' for Newquay... but which inevitably lead to Eastern's complete withdrawal from Newquay too as the routes were interdependent, ending the majority of their air services. Then BE pull the LGW route themselves, as was expected since they entered it.

This series of events was inevitable and was repeatedly warned about - but some people thought they knew best. Now they have been proven wrong and there is the very real risk that Newquay will close.


Dan  



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6586 times:

Quoting by738 (Reply 16):
Why would they not ?

15% hardly gives any say in decisions - let alone even having a board position.


User currently offlineEltomzo From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

Quoting anstar (Reply 18):

Tell that to Bill Ackman, who got rid of the CEO of Canadian Pacific last year and got himself a seat on the board with 14.14% of the shares.

15% is a very significant stake, and whilst it won't allow you to dictate to the company you will most definitely be consulted on major decisions.



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User currently offlineheebeegb From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

Shows BA/IAG have no interest in LGW

User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1784 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
The big problem for JER is that U2 tends not to nightstop, which means that there will be no overnight flight. That's a very important thing from a Jersey perspective. However, whatever happens, I hope that U2 jacks up capacity sharply; BE downgraded the JER service to 175s (from 195s) and the overall capacity drop has had an effect on fares.

If the market for an early inbound is there and there is a case for it to enable EZY to be competitive on the route then I'm sure they will nightstop on the Island in the same way they do in several other destinations across the LGW network.
EZY aren't averse to nightstops it's just the case for them isn't always that compelling. Remember, the network isn't a feed unlike BA, for example, who have to have early arrivals to feed the rest.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6083 times:

Quoting heebeegb (Reply 20):
Shows BA/IAG have no interest in LGW

BA have no interest in the day to day running of flybe, they never have. BA do have an interest in LGW as can clearly be seen by the rather large based fleet, what they can't do is compete effectively against EZY on point to point.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5977 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 22):
BA do have an interest in LGW as can clearly be seen by the rather large based fleet

Yep. And that applied: BA has 131,493 seats at LGW in the w/c 20th May, so second place and representing 16.9% of all seats at LGW behind EZY with 44.7% (BE is sixth with 30,116) and 813 weekly frequencies (to/from) and is second with 17.8% behind EZY with 46% (BE is third with 7.5%). Unsurprisingly, LCCs have 67.2% of all seats in that week period at LGW, while FSNCs have 31.1%. By frequency, it's 69% and 28.2% respectively.

[Edited 2013-05-23 13:06:19]


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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

I wonder is any of these ops will be transferred to Luton, this is the only other London airport they fly to...

I think it is with a daily IOM service and during the summer months a 4-5x weekly service to Jersey.

Im not suggesting they offer quite the frequencies as at LGW at present. But possibly 2-3 x daily to the likes of MAN and NCL and maybe daily services to INV, JER and GCI. If they are feeling brave they could also add a BHD service, but means they are competing with easyJet.

While Luton isn't the best connected of the airports with the capital, the existing easyJet domestic services to Scotland and Belfast, are always good sellers and regularly fly out full. They don't just attract travellers from London, but also the Northern home counties.


25 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Within that you can see why Gatwick are so keen to eliminate smaller types. Third most frequencies but sixth for passenger numbers - quite a disparit
26 ScottishDavie : Hmm... Modern fleet - yes. Tried so hard - definitely not. In my experience their reliability was so awful that I wouldn't fly with them if they were
27 Pe@rson : Absolutely. And rightly so, of course, given increasingly scarce resources (i.e., slots and ground infrastructure).
28 Boysteve : ...and on Thameslink you can be into City Thameslink from LGW direct every 15 mins in just 40 mins, as well as Gatwick Express to Victoria and the We
29 cornishsimon : No prizes for guessing really, but my main concern here is for NQY The airport has gone on record today as being in discussions with two airlines abou
30 YVRLTN : Same reason as they sold Go to U2 I guess. Would GR be interested in the JER route too? Its just as good as LGW to St Pancras & City Thameslink.
31 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Ryanair and easyJet. Overkill for the NQY market. No, not interested and already pulled out. I didn't see Minoan at OXF, personally I don't see them
32 cornishsimon : I knew of U2 as local radio were reporting that discussions were underway, however is Ryanair your opinion or fact ? cs
33 Post contains images Pe@rson : I recall flying FR on STN-NQY-STN a couple times, including on an ex-CO 733. Seems an awful long time ago now. --- In today's The Times, Jim French,
34 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I couldn't possibly say... Dan
35 sam1987 : I imagine easyJet will use the slots to grow their existing profitable routes and potentially add a few more destinations (although they already opera
36 skipness1E : It's not prestige, that's naive, it's profit. Such multi million pound decisions by majr airlines need a business case and a sound logical raison d'e
37 JoeCanuck : It seems odd that an English based airline won't have a real presence in London.
38 vfw614 : IIRC, LTN does not have any spare capacity before 0900/30ish because of the Wizzair armada, so almost impossible to offer a decent schedule with mult
39 Post contains links and images BestWestern : Not London airways! Ah, the CO / Buzz livery and the part Ryanair decals.... From memory there is one with part of all three liveries... Nine - yes n
40 Boysteve : I was talking about Pax, not airlines! Folk tend to think that LGW is second choice even though onward public transport is far more widespread (and c
41 BestWestern : People are often set in their ways, and immediately think Heathrow.
42 OA260 : LGW is a decent airport. Using alot more myself over the last year or so . Its been made alot better with the money that has been poured into it sinc
43 rutankrd : More vested interests in the travel industry and corporate travel policies actually.
44 skipness1E : Eastern don't either, nor Jet2. Why fly from LGW if you can make more money at LHR? I mean let's cut the blah about cheap rail connections, bottom li
45 rutankrd : Not in any disagreement and IS the vested interest - UK PLC has only one Global HUB carrier does it not ? What remain fact is Gatwick and indeed Stan
46 kaitak : There is an interesting development on the horizon, according to a reliable source here in the islands. Aurigny, the Guernsey based regional carrier,
47 vfw614 : I think this pretty much is a no-brainer für GR as the capacity offered by BE at the moment must be covered by someone else (and LGW must be getting
48 Post contains images PlymSpotter : The E95 could do regional UK routes comfortably from GCI's runway length, no modifications needed. GCI's PCN is 22 F/B/Y/T. Even with a light E95 you
49 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Meant to also add, LH has not to my knowledge ever operated to GCI, only JER. Dan
50 kaitak : They did actually operate 737s to GCI, but a good few years ago. Is this the classification after the runway work that was recently done?
51 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I stand corrected. I presume it was it a 735 - I imagine you could just about get than down to ~22, or near enough for the number of operations. It's
52 Post contains links and images vfw614 : Here is the proof View Large View MediumPhoto © Howard Chaloner Current airport data: https://flydev.rocketroute.com/plates/adminview/AIP-EG_EGJB_AIP
53 Post contains links and images rutankrd : Wrong they have 1997-2000 period View Large View MediumPhoto © Howard Chaloner
54 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Thank you. The differences are due to the piecemeal expansion of the airport. I know it's what the APM says, but from having worked on a surfacing pr
55 skipness1E : If Aurigny do take three ERJs I suspect the Guernsey taxpayers will go mental. It's something of a loss making operation, not a huge issue flying a li
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