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Boeing Confirms SWISS' 777 Order  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 26506 times:

Boeing confirmed SWISS' order for 6 777s. It's on their O & D site.


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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1577 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 26366 times:

Was this ever in doubt? I wasn't aware that there was any question whether it was legit or not.

User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 25935 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 1):
Was this ever in doubt? I wasn't aware that there was any question whether it was legit or not.

Not really but it's always nice to see on the Boeing website, just to confirm it.

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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 25837 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 1):

Well, there were those who said it would never happen because of their ties with LH... But now that its actually on the order book gives us more confirmation.



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User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 25770 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 1):
Was this ever in doubt?

The future fleet for Swiss with the 777 was announced in their inflight magazine, so there can't have been much doubt...


User currently offlinebmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25492 times:

Awesome news....   

I suspect STAR partner AC might have nudged them towards the 77W. They did take up AC's old 340s.

So long will it have been since LX had Boeing in their fleet?

[Edited 2013-05-23 10:31:39]


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 25407 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 1):
Was this ever in doubt? I wasn't aware that there was any question whether it was legit or not.
Quoting bmacleod (Reply 5):
So long will it have been since LX had Boeing in their fleet?

That's the point - it's been well over a decade that Swiss(air) decided to go all-Airbus for their full-size fleet, abandoning the 747s, MD-11, MD-80 and every aircraft with a "DC-" in front of it all the way from the DC-2 to the DC-10.

Apparently McDonnell Douglas' purchase by Boeing did not go down well in Switzerland...



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1791 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24956 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Apparently McDonnell Douglas' purchase by Boeing did not go down well in Switzerland...

Back when Swissair decided to go all Airbus for its short and medium-haul fleet, McDonnell Douglas was still around but had nothing serious to offer compared to Airbus or Boeing. Boeing's purchase happened about five years later. For its long-haul fleet, the choice was between the A340 and B777. Swissair went for the A340-600.

Anyone know what Boeing customer number will they have/use ?

[Edited 2013-05-23 11:36:22]


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User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24912 times:

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 5):
So long will it have been since LX had Boeing in their fleet?

LX has never had Boeings in their fleet; they used to fly turboprop aircraft before SR disappeared.

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25353 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24848 times:

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 5):
So long will it have been since LX had Boeing in their fleet?
LX has never had Boeing in their fleet, unless you count the MD-11s they operated briefly after they took over from Swissair, but I don't consider those "Boeings".

[Edited 2013-05-23 11:44:59]

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 23728 times:

The last Boeings in the Swissair fleets were the 747-300, which flew until 2000.

User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2715 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 23403 times:

@The777Man: not only turboprops, MD80s and Bae 146s as well.

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 23269 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 7):
Anyone know what Boeing customer number will they have/use ?

The old Swissair (SR) had two B-747-257s, so the Boeing customer code was '57'

Quoting The777Man (Reply 8):
LX has never had Boeings in their fleet; they used to fly turboprop aircraft before SR disappeared.

No SR owned/operated two B-747-200s in the 1970s and sold them around the mid 1980s. It was the old CrossAir that never operated Boeing airplanes.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25353 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 23197 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 11):
@The777Man: not only turboprops, MD80s and Bae 146s as well.

And LX's Embraer 145s were ordered by Crossair well before Swissair ceased to exist. Almost all the E145s were also in service with the original LX before Swissair's demise.


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2190 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 22174 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
No SR owned/operated two B-747-200s in the 1970s and sold them around the mid 1980s. It was the old CrossAir that never operated Boeing airplanes.

Well technically LX is the old CrossAir, not the old SR.


User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 21496 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 14):
Well technically LX is the old CrossAir, not the old SR.
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 11):
@The777Man: not only turboprops, MD80s and Bae 146s as well.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
LX has never had Boeing in their fleet, unless you count the MD-11s
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
And LX's Embraer 145s were ordered by Crossair well

  

To me, a MD-11 is still a McDonnell-Douglas airplane. Same for the MD-80.

This is the first ORDER of Boeing aircraft by LX.

Very much looking forward to seeing them fly in a few years.

The777Man



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1791 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20662 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 7):Anyone know what Boeing customer number will they have/use ?
The old Swissair (SR) had two B-747-257s, so the Boeing customer code was '57'

Yes, but Swiss is not the old Swissair, which by the way has also operated five -357 including two or three (M).



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20416 times:

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 5):

I suspect STAR partner AC might have nudged them towards the 77W. They did take up AC's old 340s.

Actually Austrian has 777s and is responsible for engineering for that fleet within the Lufthansa group. Lufthansa is also about to take delivery of 777Fs, so they are aware of the fleet, just not the 777-300ER.



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19744 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
and every aircraft with a "DC-" in front of it all the way from the DC-2 to the DC-10.

Did they own/operate the DC-5?

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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1791 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19674 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 18):
Did they own/operate the DC-5?

I believe KLM was the only airline to operate the DC-5.



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19482 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 19):
I believe KLM was the only airline to operate the DC-5.

That was my understanding too. Although some of them were actually operated by KLNILM. But they could have been used by other operators in the immediate post WWII years and Swissair could be a possibility, hence my question.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 18408 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
Well, there were those who said it would never happen because of their ties with LH... But now that its actually on the order book gives us more confirmation.

Did they forget about Aerologic's ties with LH?!


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 15260 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):

Airlines to do go around making fleet purchases based opon who makes them, or what a partner airline thinks of them. The older aircraft would have been phased out for more efficent aircraft.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 7):

Swiss has not operated the A340-600, just the -300. A lot more efficent compared to the MD-11.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 15026 times:

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 21):
Did they forget about Aerologic's ties with LH?!

Im sure they knew about that, but their comments about "it never going to happen" was mainly due to the fact the 77W was mentioned...   Which you can see from these two threads:

Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft (by KarelXWB Feb 19 2013 in Civil Aviation)

LH Buys 100 A320, 2 A380, 6 77W Part 1 (by FlyingAY Mar 14 2013 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 12801 times:

So will they be B777-357ER's or a new customer code? As said, LX is not SR.


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25 The777Man : I think it will be a new customer code but we will find out in due course. The777Man
26 SpaceshipDC10 : I know that. I was just replying to Dreadnough regarding what he said about Boeing purchase of MDC as being the reason for the Airbus order.
27 questions : Will they put 3-3-3, 2-4-3, or 3-4-3 in Y?
28 SpaceshipDC10 : Since we are talking of Swiss, I guess they'll configure them with 9-abreast in Y.
29 AntonovA330 : I hope you are right! But it was said that they are in need of a 330+ seat aircraft, F will probably get 1-2-1, C 2-2-2 configuration, leaving not th
30 817Dreamliiner : From previous threads, it was mentioned that the 77W might seat 330 pax. So 3-4-3 is a possibility...
31 ncelhr : 3-4-3 is exactly why I am starting to avoid flying routes with 777s - very cramped layout. Sad because it gives the 777 a bad name.
32 Post contains images DALCE : pfffff here we go again about the seating.............. Airliners.net hype just like the phase out of the DC-9 at NW..... 99% of the Y-class pax do no
33 rwy04lga : Delta upholds the 777's honor with 3-3-3 seating.
34 ncelhr : Well the vast majority of them complain of the 3-4-3 and this is starting to be used by more and more airlines. Negating the fact that it is pretty o
35 yamatthey : Seating will be 3-3-3 in Y. The only question is about Y+. LX will certainly stay a no Y+ airline and have a 3-3-3 layout on 77W. If by 2015 discussio
36 Post contains images columba : Swiss is 100 % owned by LH and I believe LH has placed that order for Swiss so these 777s might be very well become 777-330ERs
37 SpaceshipDC10 : That's exactly why I think and said they will stick to 9 seat per abreast in Y.
38 ka : It will be 3-4-3. Ka.
39 Post contains links kaitak : It's disappointing, but in these difficult economic times, every seat matters; it's really only BA - among European carriers that have 9 abreast on t
40 blue100 : Slightly off-topic but since the 3-4-3 configuration has been brought up, has anyone flown on an OS 777 before? I may be flying Austrian from JFK to
41 Viscount724 : Don't trust that type of Seatguru information, especially on seat width since there are different ways to measure width (is it betweeen armrests or i
42 sweair : My hope was for the 748i, ok 3-4-3 seating but still, the old lady still sings..
43 Heavierthanair : G´day There is a substantial difference on what an airline tries to project to be to the public and what it actually is. For reasons difficult to exp
44 blue100 : Interesting to hear. Why aren't seats measured using a uniform method so that you can actually compare seat pitch and width on an apples to apples ba
45 Viscount724 : Seat pitch information is more comparable since there's only one way to measure that, although even there the information often isn't very useful sin
46 SpaceshipDC10 : For my part, I think it has more to do with the way Switzerland was/is perceived on the matter of quality and reliability by people around the world.
47 CXB77L : Not necessarily true. It depends on the airline. Seatguru states their seat measurements on their 777-200LRs at 31 inch pitch and 17.2 inch width, co
48 LXA340 : I assume this process will be done starting later this year and be completed by mid next year during the D Check which is due for these aircrat?
49 gemuser : How can the airline matter, given the cabin is 10 abreast? The width for that extra seat has to come from somewhere? Take that with a grain of salt!
50 Stitch : I would hazard a guess that even with the same abreast configuration, some airlines go with wider seats and narrower aisles, while others chose narro
51 gemuser : Stitch that seems logical, but on EK the seat is narrow and I really can't see a narrower aisles than EK's being practical, (their carts scrape seats
52 Stitch : For 10-abreast on the 777, indeed you cannot really make the seat cushions wider than 17 inches as Boeing's ACAP shows a 17 inch aisle in that config
53 Post contains links LAXintl : Swiss CEO says they will most likely go with 10-abreast in Y class. Says the 10-across version is much more efficient to balance cost. Also F class wi
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