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Boeing Confirms SWISS' 777 Order  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 26371 times:

Boeing confirmed SWISS' order for 6 777s. It's on their O & D site.


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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 26231 times:

Was this ever in doubt? I wasn't aware that there was any question whether it was legit or not.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6496 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 25800 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 1):
Was this ever in doubt? I wasn't aware that there was any question whether it was legit or not.

Not really but it's always nice to see on the Boeing website, just to confirm it.

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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 25702 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 1):

Well, there were those who said it would never happen because of their ties with LH... But now that its actually on the order book gives us more confirmation.



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User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 25635 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 1):
Was this ever in doubt?

The future fleet for Swiss with the 777 was announced in their inflight magazine, so there can't have been much doubt...


User currently offlinebmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 25357 times:

Awesome news....   

I suspect STAR partner AC might have nudged them towards the 77W. They did take up AC's old 340s.

So long will it have been since LX had Boeing in their fleet?

[Edited 2013-05-23 10:31:39]


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User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8788 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 25272 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 1):
Was this ever in doubt? I wasn't aware that there was any question whether it was legit or not.
Quoting bmacleod (Reply 5):
So long will it have been since LX had Boeing in their fleet?

That's the point - it's been well over a decade that Swiss(air) decided to go all-Airbus for their full-size fleet, abandoning the 747s, MD-11, MD-80 and every aircraft with a "DC-" in front of it all the way from the DC-2 to the DC-10.

Apparently McDonnell Douglas' purchase by Boeing did not go down well in Switzerland...



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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1620 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 24821 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Apparently McDonnell Douglas' purchase by Boeing did not go down well in Switzerland...

Back when Swissair decided to go all Airbus for its short and medium-haul fleet, McDonnell Douglas was still around but had nothing serious to offer compared to Airbus or Boeing. Boeing's purchase happened about five years later. For its long-haul fleet, the choice was between the A340 and B777. Swissair went for the A340-600.

Anyone know what Boeing customer number will they have/use ?

[Edited 2013-05-23 11:36:22]


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6496 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 24777 times:

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 5):
So long will it have been since LX had Boeing in their fleet?

LX has never had Boeings in their fleet; they used to fly turboprop aircraft before SR disappeared.

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24824 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 24713 times:

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 5):
So long will it have been since LX had Boeing in their fleet?
LX has never had Boeing in their fleet, unless you count the MD-11s they operated briefly after they took over from Swissair, but I don't consider those "Boeings".

[Edited 2013-05-23 11:44:59]

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 23593 times:

The last Boeings in the Swissair fleets were the 747-300, which flew until 2000.

User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 23268 times:

@The777Man: not only turboprops, MD80s and Bae 146s as well.

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 23134 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 7):
Anyone know what Boeing customer number will they have/use ?

The old Swissair (SR) had two B-747-257s, so the Boeing customer code was '57'

Quoting The777Man (Reply 8):
LX has never had Boeings in their fleet; they used to fly turboprop aircraft before SR disappeared.

No SR owned/operated two B-747-200s in the 1970s and sold them around the mid 1980s. It was the old CrossAir that never operated Boeing airplanes.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24824 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 23062 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 11):
@The777Man: not only turboprops, MD80s and Bae 146s as well.

And LX's Embraer 145s were ordered by Crossair well before Swissair ceased to exist. Almost all the E145s were also in service with the original LX before Swissair's demise.


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22039 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
No SR owned/operated two B-747-200s in the 1970s and sold them around the mid 1980s. It was the old CrossAir that never operated Boeing airplanes.

Well technically LX is the old CrossAir, not the old SR.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6496 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21361 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 14):
Well technically LX is the old CrossAir, not the old SR.
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 11):
@The777Man: not only turboprops, MD80s and Bae 146s as well.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
LX has never had Boeing in their fleet, unless you count the MD-11s
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
And LX's Embraer 145s were ordered by Crossair well

  

To me, a MD-11 is still a McDonnell-Douglas airplane. Same for the MD-80.

This is the first ORDER of Boeing aircraft by LX.

Very much looking forward to seeing them fly in a few years.

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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1620 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20527 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 7):Anyone know what Boeing customer number will they have/use ?
The old Swissair (SR) had two B-747-257s, so the Boeing customer code was '57'

Yes, but Swiss is not the old Swissair, which by the way has also operated five -357 including two or three (M).



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9495 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20281 times:

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 5):

I suspect STAR partner AC might have nudged them towards the 77W. They did take up AC's old 340s.

Actually Austrian has 777s and is responsible for engineering for that fleet within the Lufthansa group. Lufthansa is also about to take delivery of 777Fs, so they are aware of the fleet, just not the 777-300ER.



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19609 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
and every aircraft with a "DC-" in front of it all the way from the DC-2 to the DC-10.

Did they own/operate the DC-5?

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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1620 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19539 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 18):
Did they own/operate the DC-5?

I believe KLM was the only airline to operate the DC-5.



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19347 times:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 19):
I believe KLM was the only airline to operate the DC-5.

That was my understanding too. Although some of them were actually operated by KLNILM. But they could have been used by other operators in the immediate post WWII years and Swissair could be a possibility, hence my question.

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User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18273 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
Well, there were those who said it would never happen because of their ties with LH... But now that its actually on the order book gives us more confirmation.

Did they forget about Aerologic's ties with LH?!


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8864 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15125 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):

Airlines to do go around making fleet purchases based opon who makes them, or what a partner airline thinks of them. The older aircraft would have been phased out for more efficent aircraft.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 7):

Swiss has not operated the A340-600, just the -300. A lot more efficent compared to the MD-11.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14891 times:

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 21):
Did they forget about Aerologic's ties with LH?!

Im sure they knew about that, but their comments about "it never going to happen" was mainly due to the fact the 77W was mentioned...   Which you can see from these two threads:

Lufthansa Looking For 108 New Aircraft (by KarelXWB Feb 19 2013 in Civil Aviation)

LH Buys 100 A320, 2 A380, 6 77W Part 1 (by FlyingAY Mar 14 2013 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12666 times:

So will they be B777-357ER's or a new customer code? As said, LX is not SR.


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6496 posts, RR: 55
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12373 times:

Quoting brightcedars (Reply 24):
So will they be B777-357ER's or a new customer code? As said, LX is not SR.

I think it will be a new customer code but we will find out in due course.

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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1620 posts, RR: 3
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12003 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 22):
Swiss has not operated the A340-600, just the -300. A lot more efficent compared to the MD-11.

I know that. I was just replying to Dreadnough regarding what he said about Boeing purchase of MDC as being the reason for the Airbus order.



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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days ago) and read 11688 times:

Will they put 3-3-3, 2-4-3, or 3-4-3 in Y?

User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1620 posts, RR: 3
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days ago) and read 11514 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 27):
Will they put 3-3-3, 2-4-3, or 3-4-3 in Y?

Since we are talking of Swiss, I guess they'll configure them with 9-abreast in Y.



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User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days ago) and read 11433 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 27):
Will they put 3-3-3, 2-4-3, or 3-4-3 in Y?
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 28):
Since we are talking of Swiss, I guess they'll configure them with 9-abreast in Y.

I hope you are right! But it was said that they are in need of a 330+ seat aircraft, F will probably get 1-2-1, C 2-2-2 configuration, leaving not that many possibilities left for Y but 3-4-3, unfortunately.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11097 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 27):
Will they put 3-3-3, 2-4-3, or 3-4-3 in Y?

From previous threads, it was mentioned that the 77W might seat 330 pax. So 3-4-3 is a possibility...



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User currently offlinencelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10150 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 30):
From previous threads, it was mentioned that the 77W might seat 330 pax. So 3-4-3 is a possibility...

3-4-3 is exactly why I am starting to avoid flying routes with 777s - very cramped layout. Sad because it gives the 777 a bad name.


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9920 times:

pfffff here we go again about the seating.............. Airliners.net hype just like the phase out of the DC-9 at NW.....

99% of the Y-class pax do not even know what type of aircraft they fly, let alone how many seats the airline have put next to each other. This is really yibberyabbing 2.0  



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9759 times:

Quoting ncelhr (Reply 31):
3-4-3 is exactly why I am starting to avoid flying routes with 777s - very cramped layout. Sad because it gives the 777 a bad name.

Delta upholds the 777's honor with 3-3-3 seating.



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User currently offlinencelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9292 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 32):
99% of the Y-class pax do not even know what type of aircraft they fly, let alone how many seats the airline have put next to each other. This is really yibberyabbing 2.0

Well the vast majority of them complain of the 3-4-3 and this is starting to be used by more and more airlines.

Negating the fact that it is pretty obvious when this type of layout is used is not constructive. Passengers might not know what aircraft they are flying, they'll know how cramped an aisle is by having difficulty going to the WCs and feeling their neighbour's elbow.

Anyway -- I don't want to bring the discussion into a tangent. I'm done with my comment.


User currently offlineyamatthey From Switzerland, joined Aug 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9206 times:

Seating will be 3-3-3 in Y. The only question is about Y+. LX will certainly stay a no Y+ airline and have a 3-3-3 layout on 77W. If by 2015 discussion about Y+ concept come back on the table, we may end up with a Y+ and a 3-4-3 Y. Swiss want to be a quality airline in F, C and Y. Introduction of Y+ with Lufthansa next year will be analyzed with the best attention in Zürich.

By the way Swiss will update First Class and Economy Class seats on all 9 Airbus 343 purchased new in 2004 and 2005 (HB-JMA to HB-JMI).


User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8715 times:

Swiss is 100 % owned by LH and I believe LH has placed that order for Swiss so these 777s might be very well become 777-330ERs  


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User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1620 posts, RR: 3
Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

Quoting yamatthey (Reply 35):
Swiss want to be a quality airline in F, C and Y.

That's exactly why I think and said they will stick to 9 seat per abreast in Y.



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User currently offlineka From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 660 posts, RR: 10
Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7698 times:

It will be 3-4-3.

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 39, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7576 times:

Quoting ka (Reply 38):
It will be 3-4-3.

It's disappointing, but in these difficult economic times, every seat matters; it's really only BA - among European carriers that have 9 abreast on their 77Ws. It's just the way things are; that said, I have flown on EK's 777s - 10 abreast, of course - and it's not a bad experience at all. That said, they are relatively short flights.

Coincidentally, I was looking at LX's A340 config today and I was very surprised at the seating density, i.e. not dense at all - only 219 seats in all, including 8 in F, 47 in C and only 164 in Y, so it's really not surprising that they want something a little larger.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Swi...ines/Swiss_Airlines_A340-300_B.php

Incidentally, has Swiss indicated a delivery schedule?


User currently offlineblue100 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6679 times:

Quoting ncelhr (Reply 31):
3-4-3 is exactly why I am starting to avoid flying routes with 777s - very cramped layout. Sad because it gives the 777 a bad name.

Slightly off-topic but since the 3-4-3 configuration has been brought up, has anyone flown on an OS 777 before? I may be flying Austrian from JFK to VIE and I've seen that it is a 3-4-3 configuration in Y. I've never flown on a 3-4-3 777; however I was surprised to see that seatguru shows the seats being wider and with more pitch than other 3-3-3 777 carriers that I've flown on. Is that really the case?

With regards to LX and the 77W, I'm not surprised by the need for larger aircraft than the 333. Although it was Swissair at the time, I recall flying on the 743 from JFK to ZRH years ago. I'm sure that LX will put the new birds to good use.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24824 posts, RR: 22
Reply 41, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Quoting blue100 (Reply 40):
I was surprised to see that seatguru shows the seats being wider and with more pitch than other 3-3-3 777 carriers that I've flown on. Is that really the case?

Don't trust that type of Seatguru information, especially on seat width since there are different ways to measure width (is it betweeen armrests or including the armrests, or does it include/exclude the gap between seat cushions etc.)

Any 10-abreast 777 is less comfortable than any 9-abreast 777. Cramming 10 people in the space of 9 can't help but be worse. It depends a lot on whether you have an empty seat next to you. It's bearable if you do but you can't rely on that with today's high average load factors.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

My hope was for the 748i, ok 3-4-3 seating but still, the old lady still sings..

User currently onlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

G´day

Quoting yamatthey (Reply 35):
Swiss want to be a quality airline

There is a substantial difference on what an airline tries to project to be to the public and what it actually is. For reasons difficult to explain Swiss still profits from the reputation of former Swissair, though from a quality point of view it is a mere shadow of what Swissair used to be. Admittedly, Swissair was also slow to adapt to changes in the business, when everybody else was introducing some sort of business class Swissair responded with what they called Swiss class, a marketing gimmick that in reality was nothing more than regular economy, albeit at a high standard. I remember they even served premium beer - Hopfenperle from Feldschlösschen!

While a certain standard is maintained in the forward cabins of Swiss the offering in he back has deteriorated to the bare minimum. Though fully owned by Lufthansa, Swiss in reality is competing with Lufthansa, offering at times considerably lower fares. They can only do that by having a lower cost product, and as a passenger this can definitely be felt. Based in northern Italy I am frequently flying LX and LH to European and overseas destinations. LX usually has the lowest fares, going to German destinations typically is less than half the fare via Zürich. Swiss flight crews are also no longer overly motivated, having had a chance to talk to cabin crew on a number of recent overseas trips the mood is rather depressed. Reverting to one of my favourite subjects - beer - that is no longer available, they now serve what I call a flower drink from the Appenzell - they must be getting that for free - nothing to do with beer though. From that point of view - and I have actually chosen LH over LX for that very reason - the beer on Lufthansa beats whatever Swiss is trying to offer anytime.

To get back to the original subject of this thread, there is no way Swiss will install a customer friendly 9 abreast seating in their new toys, that would simply be out of line with their present concept of what they consider as being customer service. For the time being I am afraid quality standards at Swiss remain at the lowest possible level, being a Swiss citizen that hurts, but I guess I have to live with reality. Reminds me, they used to say on American Airlines: "We know you have a choice". Maybe these words have some truth to them..

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User currently offlineblue100 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6152 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 41):
Don't trust that type of Seatguru information, especially on seat width since there are different ways to measure width (is it betweeen armrests or including the armrests, or does it include/exclude the gap between seat cushions etc.)

Interesting to hear. Why aren't seats measured using a uniform method so that you can actually compare seat pitch and width on an apples to apples basis? Are the measurements provided by the airlines themselves? If so, I could see a desire by some to inflate the seat pitch and width information when possible..


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24824 posts, RR: 22
Reply 45, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6090 times:

Quoting blue100 (Reply 44):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 41):
Don't trust that type of Seatguru information, especially on seat width since there are different ways to measure width (is it betweeen armrests or including the armrests, or does it include/exclude the gap between seat cushions etc.)

Interesting to hear. Why aren't seats measured using a uniform method so that you can actually compare seat pitch and width on an apples to apples basis?

Seat pitch information is more comparable since there's only one way to measure that, although even there the information often isn't very useful since many of the newer lightweight seats with thin backs can have more effective leg/knee room at 30 inch pitch than older bulkier seats at 32 or 33 inch pitch.

[Edited 2013-05-25 13:49:48]

User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1620 posts, RR: 3
Reply 46, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 43):
For reasons difficult to explain Swiss still profits from the reputation of former Swissair

For my part, I think it has more to do with the way Switzerland was/is perceived on the matter of quality and reliability by people around the world. Thus, Swissair was somehow the extension of that notion, at 33,000ft.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2596 posts, RR: 5
Reply 47, posted (1 year 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 5377 times:
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Quoting ncelhr (Reply 31):
3-4-3 is exactly why I am starting to avoid flying routes with 777s - very cramped layout.

Not necessarily true. It depends on the airline.

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 33):
Delta upholds the 777's honor with 3-3-3 seating.

Seatguru states their seat measurements on their 777-200LRs at 31 inch pitch and 17.2 inch width, compared with EK's 777-300ER with 34 inch pitch and 17 inch width, despite Delta fitting one fewer seat per row.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 41):
Any 10-abreast 777 is less comfortable than any 9-abreast 777.

Not necessarily true, unless one looks exlusively at seat width and not at pitch.



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 48, posted (1 year 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

Quoting yamatthey (Reply 35):

By the way Swiss will update First Class and Economy Class seats on all 9 Airbus 343 purchased new in 2004 and 2005 (HB-JMA to HB-JMI).

I assume this process will be done starting later this year and be completed by mid next year during the D Check which is due for these aircrat?


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 49, posted (1 year 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 4844 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 47):
Quoting ncelhr (Reply 31):
3-4-3 is exactly why I am starting to avoid flying routes with 777s - very cramped layout.

Not necessarily true. It depends on the airline.

How can the airline matter, given the cabin is 10 abreast? The width for that extra seat has to come from somewhere?

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 47):

Seatguru states their seat measurements on their 777-200LRs at 31 inch pitch and 17.2 inch width, compared with EK's 777-300ER with 34 inch pitch and 17 inch width, despite Delta fitting one fewer seat per row.

Take that with a grain of salt! It totally depends on which measurement of seat width is being used. There are at least, three different ones on Seatguru. I personally find DLs seats noticeably wider than EKs.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 47):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 41):
Any 10-abreast 777 is less comfortable than any 9-abreast 777.

Not necessarily true, unless one looks exlusively at seat width and not at pitch.

I'll concede you this. But you need to balance one against the other for your needs. I'll take DL's B777 cabin over EK's. (I can't believe I just said that! But it is true, which is why I find myself avoiding B777)

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30565 posts, RR: 84
Reply 50, posted (1 year 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 4736 times:
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Quoting gemuser (Reply 49):
How can the airline matter, given the cabin is 10 abreast? The width for that extra seat has to come from somewhere?

I would hazard a guess that even with the same abreast configuration, some airlines go with wider seats and narrower aisles, while others chose narrower seats and wider aisles.


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 51, posted (1 year 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 50):
I would hazard a guess that even with the same abreast configuration, some airlines go with wider seats and narrower aisles, while others chose narrower seats and wider aisles.

Stitch that seems logical, but on EK the seat is narrow and I really can't see a narrower aisles than EK's being practical, (their carts scrape seats unless wheeled dead straight) or even legal, for evacuation purposes. (Is there a certification minimum for aisle width?)

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30565 posts, RR: 84
Reply 52, posted (1 year 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4541 times:
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Quoting gemuser (Reply 51):
Stitch that seems logical, but on EK the seat is narrow and I really can't see a narrower aisles than EK's being practical, (their carts scrape seats unless wheeled dead straight) or even legal, for evacuation purposes. (Is there a certification minimum for aisle width?)

For 10-abreast on the 777, indeed you cannot really make the seat cushions wider than 17 inches as Boeing's ACAP shows a 17 inch aisle in that configuration.

For a 9-abreast configuration, with 18.5 inch seat cushion widths the ACAP gives an aisle width of a bit over 19 inches. So if an airline went with 18 inch seats, that would allow 22-23 inch wide aisles.

I do not know what the regulatory minimums are for aisle width, but I would guess it is around 16 inches as that appears to be the aisle width for the 767 at 2+4+2, the A330/A340 at 3+3+3 and the A350 at 3+4+3.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24834 posts, RR: 46
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

Swiss CEO says they will most likely go with 10-abreast in Y class. Says the 10-across version is much more efficient to balance cost.

Also F class will be 8 seats in 1-2-1 configuration. Decision on a Y+ product offering is pending along with decision if they will roll out a Y+ on the A330 and A340 as well. Final 777 cabin decisions will not be taken till towards end of 2014 however.

Story:
http://blog.apex.aero/cabin-interior...t-economy-777300ers-class-staying/

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