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BA A319 Incident at LHR, All Runways Closed  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 30011 posts, RR: 59
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 65311 times:

Sky News reports LHR closed due to BA aircraft indicent on landing . Smoke reported.


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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3730 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 65435 times:

You can see all the holdings in progress on http://www.flightradar24.com/ but how all runways closed ?

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 30011 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 65426 times:

Seems it took off and smoke poured from rear of aircraft.

Pic here :

User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 65252 times:

Accrding to http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-0...ys-shut-after-plane-loses-engine/, it says an aircraft lost an engine on takeoff, and landed with the second engine on fire! Pax evacuated on the runway.

[Edited 2013-05-24 01:18:48]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 30011 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 65101 times:

BA A319 G-EUOE is the aircraft involved.

Corrected Reg typo

[Edited 2013-05-24 01:20:13]

User currently offlineandrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 65089 times:

Apparently BA plan made an emergency landing, landed on 'northern runway'...all passengers safely evacuated.

User currently offlinebaw787 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 64992 times:

You can watch the holding aircraft on

Hope everyone is safe.

User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 64999 times:

I am directly under the 27R flightpath and saw the aircraft going overhead Parsons Green, London, with the right engine on fire! This was at 08.40 and the reg. is G-EUOE, not as reported above, which I think was just a typo!

[Edited 2013-05-24 01:18:48]

User currently offlineedina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 65003 times:

It's the BA762 OSL.....am hearing it was a major bird strike....in the BA Crew Report area currently...will report further if I get any info.

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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8743 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 64853 times:
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Good news by the looks of it, plane down safe in one piece and all pax and crew safe.

Well done to the crew and ATC for getting her down so quickly.

User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3730 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 64797 times:

Diverting to STN, LTN, LGW, BRS, and BHX in progress   and Shannon Control is advising all the inbounds from NAT about the airport closure and coordinating diversions  Wink

[Edited 2013-05-24 01:25:06]

User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3468 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 64434 times:

Another picture of the plane trailing smoke on the sky new website


User currently offlineGlobetraveller From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 379 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 64361 times:

You can see the plane's short flight path on FlightAware: http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW762

User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3730 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 64200 times:

It seems like it's open again. Three flights just departed...

User currently offlineTheAviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 64070 times:

It's funny the way sometimes they report, Plane of fire ?? comeon.

User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 63951 times:

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 14):
It seems like it's open again. Three flights just departed...

South Runway at least. Makes sense.

User currently offlineTheAviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 63955 times:

BA264 BA188 landing now..followed by AA 104

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18195 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 63660 times:

Picture of the evacuation:


Full credit: http://twitter.com/TBoneGallagher/status/337837849028206593/photo/1

[Edited 2013-05-24 01:40:43]

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5439 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 62866 times:

Great to see all on board evacuated safely. Was this a ex-BMI aircraft as I'm not educated on the BA/BMI A319 fleet registrations.


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3436 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 62698 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):
Was this a ex-BMI aircraft as I'm not educated on the BA/BMI A319 fleet registrations.



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User currently offlinevikinga346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 62693 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):
Great to see all on board evacuated safely. Was this a ex-BMI aircraft as I'm not educated on the BA/BMI A319 fleet registrations.

No - it is BA a/c.

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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8743 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 62693 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):
Was this a ex-BMI aircraft as I'm not educated on the BA/BMI A319 fleet registrations.

- No original BA machine, though I don't think that makes a difference.

User currently offlinea380heavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 62446 times:

It's possible looking at the damage to the cowling on the port engine that these passengers may well be extremely lucky that they got back to LHR - maybe today is a good day for them to do the lottery!

Congratulations to the crew for the safe outcome.

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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 62024 times:

Please to hear the plane landed safely and everyone is OK...

What a mess that causes to UK airspace, when one runway closes!

There are some aircraft circling over south Wales, Herefordshire and the North Sea but the bulk seem to be queuing Buckinghamshire... Circling around the Aylesbury and High Wycombe area at around 15,000ft...

The only diversions I can see to Luton, are a BA flight from Oslo and a VS flight from Edinburgh.

User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8743 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 62294 times:
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Quoting a380heavy (Reply 23):
It's possible looking at the damage to the cowling on the port engine that these passengers may well be extremely lucky that they got back to LHR

- Not as bad as it looks really, there are numerous pictures on-line showing these having come off during flight.

25 tcx69k : But damage to the left engine cowling... However it was the right engine that was on fire/smoking!
26 audidudi : What is interesting to me is that there is a missing cowling on the port engine probably as a result of a bird strike, and yet it was the starboard en
27 planefixer : Reports saying LH engine lost fan cowls, and was shut down followed by surge on RH engine - hence the smoke as it was not shut down.
28 upperdeck : Is it just me or are both cowlings missing? Images on BBC News appear to show the aircraft from the other side of the runway with a cowling missing fr
29 ThomasCook : It looks like an uncontained failure judging by the cowling?
30 liquidair : You've got to laugh.. BBC news reporter saying this reminds her of BA flight from Beijing that crash landed due to problems with "undercarriage". eh?
31 Post contains images upperdeck : Well yeah the undercarriage separated from the fuselage - that's a pretty serious undercarriage problem
32 liquidair : Have I missed something? Undercarriage separation was a consequence, not a cause? as a side note... Wherever those cowlings came off..ouch. How much
33 TheAviator380 : What's with BA202 ? can anyone see it's at 1400ft alt and landing in cardiff??
34 upperdeck : Clearly my smiley wasn't sarcastic enough.
35 Post contains links TheAviator380 : http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW202 Strange one, why Cardiff?
36 BA777 : Winds are slightly right of centerline at the moment in LHR, great airmanship to handle the tech issue and point the aircraft into the wind to minimis
37 CaptainDoony : Looking at the pictures the damage to the left engine looks really consistent with the cowling latching problems that have plagued the IAE V2500. Does
38 liquidair : Whoops, my bad!
39 Post contains links and images eugegall : Quite serious damage by the looks of it.
40 Post contains links Globetraveller : There are quite consistent reports now that one of the engines was, at one point, on fire. It is amazing from how many angles and how quickly we get t
41 Aesma : Glad everyone is safe. Compared to the evacuation the other day, here we can see someone was smart enough to not evacuate where the fire was.
42 btblue : Both engine covers clearly detached. Is that normal during a bird strike? Any possibility they were not latched correctly in the first place causing t
43 SKAirbus : I just haven't a clue why the plane went back to LHR. Apparently it flew over Essex before returning. Surely disruption and risk to urban areas (if th
44 a380heavy : What I was hinting at in my earlier reply (23) was the possibility that the starboard engine became inoperative due to the bird strike and subsequent
45 Aesma : You always go to the main airport when possible, more fire trucks, more equipment, better runways, more ambulances, more hospitals. Disruption to the
46 TheAviator380 : There must be something else caused this other than Bird Strike. Looks more serious than just bird strike to me.
47 SKAirbus : Well STN has more than enough emergency coverage. It also has a very long runway. Well a birdstrike brought the US A320 flight down in the Hudson...
48 nighthawk : The video footage seems to show the aircraft was continuing to fly with the engine on fire. To me that suggests a failure in the port engine that was
49 Post contains images liquidair : I'm not sure flying back over London is such a good idea. Even with the river. contingency plans couldn't possibly allow it... I hope. I live in Lond
50 Post contains links and images tcx69k : The opposite, left hand side...
51 GLAGAZ : Much easier to go to somewhere you're familiar with. You know the runways, you know the weather, you know the ILS frequency, you know the minima....T
52 RickNRoll : Must have been pretty hectic up in the front seats. Do they do anything like this on the simulators?
53 GLAGAZ : Engine fires and evacuations? Definitely!
54 Bthebest : Agree. Also STN/LTN only have one runway so airport would effectively be closed. At least LHR has the other, even though disruption will still be sig
55 B777LRF : The responsibilties of a PIC is first and foremost to his passengers, crew and aircraft. Everything else is secondary to those priorities, and if the
56 TheAviator380 : No any press for Captain or F/O yet?? would love to see heros.
57 mah584jr : Keeping a close eye on this as I'm delayed 4 hours in Istanbul because of this incident. Please keep the updates coming. Thankful everyone is ok! -mah
58 peterjohns : Very lucky and a very good outcome/performance from all involved. As the evacuation was only carried out on the left side - it is safe to assume that
59 peterjohns : Sorry - meant the LEFT engine , of course
60 par13del : One would think the important thing would be to get the a/c on the ground as soon as possible, since most flight crew now carry computers and the fli
61 AIR MALTA : Great that everything ended without any harm to passengers. But time to think about adding some runways to LHR.
62 TheAviator380 : You sure because of this incidence your flight is delayed?
63 TheAviator380 : I know big bird strike but would it causes engine cowling to ripoff like that?
64 ggflyboy : I guess its early to speculate, but the lack of cowling on both sides is suspicious. Engineering models in design usually account for one failed latch
65 Post contains images liquidair : first time image didn't upload.... check my reply (49) again!
66 mah584jr : Yeah, I'm flying THY1985. It was supposed to depart at 13:10 local and now shows a departure time of 17:10. When they announced a delay that large I
67 TheAviator380 : Hahah...I saw tht now....wooooshhhh,,,,good stuff. I C. Hope you able to spend some good time. Cheers.
68 Bthebest : Of course getting on the ground safely is the primary concern, I was stating more in terms of importance over ATC ops/disruption etc. In this case th
69 Post contains images EK413 : Thank you Doesn't make any difference at all. It was a simple question with a simple answer. EK413
70 MerlinIIIB : Photo and video show missing inner & outer cowlings on both engines. Passenger have told Norwegian press about cowlings separating with correspond
71 sankaps : If that is true, sounds more and more like someone forgot to latch the cowlings. Will lead to some very red faces in within BA...
72 Post contains links btblue : I saw some pictures on twitter and hearing what this guy said (he's the one that put images up when the aircraft landed and described the pop after ro
73 LTBEWR : With problems with panels on both engines, one has to wonder if there is a mx procedural issue. The fasteners may be over torqued, or just missed, not
74 upperdeck : How would the removal of the cowlings cause the apparent engine fire?
75 777 : That's exactly my question too!
76 MerlinIIIB : Disruption of the air flow during separation, compressor stall...?
77 Post contains images btblue : Could force not pull with it some small parts - causing elements of the engine to contact and burn? Fractured a pipe or something like that? It is ob
78 Post contains links teme82 : Guardian has nice video http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/vide...emergency-landing-from-plane-video Any thoughts about it??
79 upperdeck : Don't forget both engine cowlings are missing... I'll admit at this stage it's got me stumped!
80 planesarecool : From a pilot's perspective, it sounds very much like a non-event to me. EFATOs, engine fire drills and single engine operations are taught and tested
81 sankaps : It says "British Airways has said it has cancelled all its short-haul flights in and out of Heathrow until 4pm today following the emergency landing.
82 upperdeck : The PIC is getting kudos from the Airline Pilots Association for pointing the aircraft into the wind after landing to ensure any flames were not blown
83 sankaps : Also why would it cause one engine to apparently shut down?
84 btblue : Take what they say with a pinch of salt... Both runways appear to be operating now - at least from what I can tell in flightradar24.com Sorry - you'r
85 Post contains links btblue : Smart move - memories of the British Airtours 737-200 accident, 1985 in Manchester... a lesson learned from that accident. http://en.wikipedia.org/wi
86 ThomasCook : BA have canx all shorthaul departures ex LHR until 4pm. ThomasCook
87 factsonly : KLM will be operating a MD-11 into LHR this afternoon to carry delayed passengers: - dep. AMS 15:15 - arr. LHR 15.30 - KL 1019 / McDonnell Douglas MD-
88 Post contains links draigonair : Also now on aviationherald; http://avherald.com/h?article=462beb5e&opt=4096 The article says that first the left hand engine cowling doors came of
89 Post contains images draigonair : Anyone in for a 45min flight on the good old 11?
90 CXfirst : From videos and photos, it always surprises me how many passengers evacuate with their hand luggage. Can really cause problems when evacuation times i
91 MerlinIIIB : Even if both engines are affected incl. reduced performance?[Edited 2013-05-24 05:11:34]
92 garpd : My guess is the former. LHR as we know is busy, busy, busy. Why on earth did they shut both runways down? The plane was only stationary on one of the
93 odo : When fire service is tied up with an accident, sufficient readiness can't be maintained for other traffic to operate normally. //odo
94 GLAGAZ : Certainly not a non-event! Obviously the training covers this sort of thing extensively but to call it a non-event?!
95 Bthebest : You want to clear traffic from the entire area so, if the aircraft needed to land on either runway for whatever reason it can do.
96 Bthebest : Flew Berlin, Paris, Stavanger yesterday. Obviously some line mx could have been done at LHR but not and heavy mx likely.
97 Post contains images airbazar : Really dude? Dual engine failure on a twin engine airplane, is a non-event? What exactly qualifies as an "event" for you? A crash with everyone dead?
98 katekebo : It's purely speculative, but how about ground crews leaving cowlings on both engines unlocked / open after routine checks / maintenance before take-of
99 sandyb123 : I would imagine if the emergency services were responding to an incident then they would not be able to respond to another incident on the opposite r
100 Post contains links Eagleboy : BBC had a small bit of tape from LHS inbound to LHR: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22655866 Looking at the BBC footage above it looks as if only the LH
101 LIFFY1A : Was there a dual engine failure? And where in Planesarecool's post does he mention dual engine failure? He only mentions single engine operations. I
102 LTC8K6 : Maybe birds hit both engines, just worse on the right?
103 SKAirbus : If the cowling disappeared from both engines then maybe it was a bird strike in both engines, with a fire developing in one? I am no expert but I gues
104 planesarecool : There wasn't a dual engine failure, there was a single engine failure or shut down. This is taught on your first, maybe second flight in a multi-engi
105 sankaps : This was more than a routine single-engine IFSD though. Cowlings blown off both engines. One engine with flames coming out of it. Not clear if other
106 upperdeck : Speedbird Ops were advising incoming flights to also divert to Manston, Bournemouth or Southampton.
107 Aesma : Pilots are prepared to come back to the runway they took off from in an emergency, that plays a role too. Well if you have to overfly London to circl
108 upperdeck : Speedbird Ops ATC during diversions... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsuUAXB3AVY
109 SKC : This wasn't a dual engine failure. I've not seen anywhere that states both engines failed. On a related note, while I was at Ryan Intl, we were opera
110 speedbird217 : Glad everything turned out to be okay and safe. Even though I also wonder if it wouldn't be safer to divert to one of the airports in a less populated
111 LondonCity : BBC news is reporting that BA has cancelled all its short-haul flights at LHR until at least 1600hrs today. Given that it's the holiday weekend that w
112 Post contains images speedbird217 : Given that tomorrow is a Champions League Final with an expected 100,000 to 200,000 German fans coming to town this can't help either
113 cornishsimon : Anyone have a complete list of diversions for all airlines ? cs
114 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://avherald.com/h?article=462beb5e&opt=0 Good pic there.
115 Tristarsteve : No, having read the whole thread, and looked at Daily Mail pics, there was a failure of the fan cowls on both engines. First the left cowls, and late
116 sankaps : Wonder where the cowls landed and if they have been located... have seen no mention of if so far.
117 Post contains images AngMoh : You just don't shut down LHR for a "non-event".... And in the past, people who have been trained for a serious event, fail to execute the training wh
118 LTC8K6 : It sounds like the port engine cowling blew off early in the takeoff, and ATC reported this to the crew, who were then going to come back. Then while
119 TheAviator380 : I know this is too early to say but first thing came to my mind was 'this is not only due to Bird Strike'. This must be some maintenance issue too. I
120 Post contains images rwy04lga : I'm surprised it took 60 posts for that to be mentioned. 'Maybe' the 'hero' FO who 'might' have missed the 'possibly' unlatched cowlings?
121 curiousflyer : So it looks like the aircraft went through routine maintenance overnight and the cowling latches for both engines were not shut. During takeoff, one e
122 planesarecool : But the pilots are trained to deal with an engine fire and would've been fully aware of which engines were operating. An 'event' to the passengers an
123 foxxray : As a pilot, i can tell you that an in flight engine failure is definitely NOT a non event ! From your pilot experience (?!), have you ever encountere
124 sankaps : So both engines with cowlings blown off, the first one shut down as a precautionary measure, the second one on fire, no access to fire bottles as app
125 Post contains images foxxray : Are you really a pilot ? Where and on what ? I already had one engine failure on a single engine aircraft and one on a multi engine... i handled both
126 airbazar : Earlier reports stated that one engine was shutdown and the seocnd engine was on fire. Nevertheless, I don't think it's normal for A319's to fly arou
127 LIFFY1A : There wasn't a dual engine failure, regardless of 'a failure of some sort on both engines'. If there was, we'd be reading about a completely differen
128 EASTERN747 : This is why I avoid 2 engine jets across the pond.....................................
129 TheAviator380 : UK, Europe flying across pond you hardly get to see quad engine jet. So no luxury to decide that I am afraid. Only Trans Atlantic flights and LHR-MAD
130 Post contains images foxxray : I think EASTERN747 was meaning across the atlantic ocean BAE/Avro are flying daily from the UK to mainland Europe daily
131 btblue : I indicated very early on the likelihood of the cowlings not being latched correctly. Fire resulting due to the casing being ripped from the engine, d
132 brilondon : Who was the idiot filming this. If the landing was not so nice he could have caused a serious injury to somebody around him and then he took it with h
133 Roseflyer : Speculation is fun, so I’ll try. This doesn’t look like a bird strike to me. The front of the engines are clean. The leading edge of the wing, nos
134 oykie : A friend of mine was onboard this flight and he told me the first cowling on the right hand engine fell of with a bang just after rotation. The take-o
135 nclmedic : Bird was working last night as BA747 STV-LHR, arrived in 2138 (not particularly late) so unlikely that any *heavy* maintenance was done on her betwee
136 clydenairways : I think this is the most logical theory suggested so far. It really does seem like the cowlings were not secured after maintenance, and sheared off o
137 Post contains images a380heavy : Its incredible how the news was initially reporting that "the pilot reported a birdstrike on the Boeing A319" but not nearly as incredible as its loo
138 hivue : Also, there's no indication of even a single engine failure or infligtht shutdown, correct?
139 sankaps : Don't think I have seen anyone post it was a double engine failure on this thread once the pictures came out -- it became quite clear to all then the
140 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : ...And here's a photo of G-EUOE in the database from this morning: View Large View MediumPhoto © Alex Sandro Vicente Barbosa
141 Post contains images N821NW : It will be interesting to read the final report...now time to get my A319 out of the X-Plane hangar and try to recreate the situation
142 Roseflyer : There are some very frequent maintenance checks that require the cowls to be opened. Engine oil, IDG oil, and filter checks are all done on the line
143 hivue : It's unlikely a functioning engine would be purposely shut down because a cowling was lost.
144 Post contains images hivue : X-Plane is better than I thought if it can simmulate engine cowlings detaching in flight.
145 sankaps : Perhaops one of the pilots can comment on this. I think it was speculated that it may have been shut down as a precaution.
146 WesternDC6B : The article on Sky News clearly identifies it as an Airbus, and the first comment I read is a snide remark about the 737. That's either a reading comp
147 N821NW : Well...maybe not that part of the problem but I can simulate the engine failure and engine fire.
148 hivue : What engine failure? Emphasis probably on "it was speculated." I would think this incident is an object lesson for why a functioning engine would not
149 my1le : What would cause BOTH engine cowlings to be blown off the airframe?
150 Post contains images PHX787 : That engine looks really messed up. I reeaaaaaallly hate the position of that watermark right now (and hate being a Premium member)
151 N821NW : Ok, the engine shut down and engine fire.
152 clydenairways : That engine was still running and even used for reverse thrust after touchdown. Interesting terminology.
153 Post contains images hivue : 165 kts of air flow. (Sorry,couldn't resist.) Actually, a number a of posters have speculated that a mx tech failed to latch the cowlings and the pil
154 airbazar : I think you're confusing engine shutdown or catastrophic failure with just a mere failure. I stand by my statement and anyone with reasonale reading
155 hivue : I think most posters on these forums would understand "engine failure" to mean that the engine has ceased producing any significant amount of power.
156 Md88Captain : Looks like the engine cowlings were left unlatched or partially latched leading to them flying open on departure. That is a big deal in that four sets
157 sankaps : You are right... just spotted the reverse thrust activation on watching the video again.
158 LIFFY1A : No I'm not confused. I know exactly what an engine failure is and there was no dual engine failure here. You can stand by your statement all you want
159 A388 : Amazing but luckily everything ended well. It's also amazing how today's technology makes these very detailed and high quality films and photos availa
160 cubastar : Indeed they would be. However, this was not your "usual" situation. During or shortly after takeoff, the left engine cowling came off, as evidenced b
161 spacecadet : But it's very likely that one would be shut down that was on fire. The video of the landing that someone posted earlier shows a pretty significant cr
162 Post contains links VV701 : Twenty-one BA diversions variously to AMS (1), BOH (1), CWL (3), LGW (7), LTN (3), MSE (2) and STN (4) are detailed here: http://www.thebasource.com/
163 Post contains links N766UA : People are saying birdstrikes…do we know this to be the cause? It seems to me I've seen this many times before… http://www.cuckoo.com/~dbaker/airt
164 sankaps : You're trolling right? Or perhaps forgot the smilies?
165 N766UA : Why would I put smilies?? I'm asking, given that this aircraft has just landed with an engine fire and 2 failed engine cowlings, if there is a connec
166 Post contains images sankaps : So you believe birds are disproportionately attracted to Airbus aircraft? And somehow Airbus is responsible for cowling latches being left open, as a
167 hivue : Correct. I should have qualified by saying "properly functioning." It will be interesting to learn what sort of messages the crew were getting.
168 tcx69k : There was reports from the operating crew of yesterday's SVG that vibrations/noises could be felt/heard in the cabin. This no doubt prompted the aircr
169 hivue : Would you crab a landing for an engine out? I think you would just trim out the adverse yaw and land normally. Isn't crabbing reserved for crosswinds
170 DocLightning : Losing one and having a fire in another is a "non-event?" I'm sorry, but this sort of minimization of what could have been a major accident with mass
171 LTC8K6 : The "engine fire" is probably just from leaking fluid igniting on something hot, and not actually an engine fire, if you will. Shut the fluid flow off
172 sankaps : And if somehow the cowlings on all four engines were left unlatched, the chances of four sets of departing cowlings damaging the aircraft or engines
173 N766UA : Did you comprehend what I said or are you just purposely being difficult for sport? You really can't "trim out" the adverse yaw created by having a d
174 sankaps : Well you wrote... ... when it was pretty clear that opinion was moving away from birdstrikes and moving to dual cowling separation. You then post a b
175 Roseflyer : The regulators are very sensitive about maintenance induced damage and not following procedures correctly. We’ll likely never know since I doubt an
176 oykie : Sankaps, according to my friend on the plane that I quoted in my earlier post says the right engine cowling fell of during take-off. This was the one
177 planesarecool : Nobody. Perhaps you'd like to re-read the quote I was referring to (my apologies, I forgot everything had to be explained literally on this forum): "
178 Aesma : This is the internet. That article has probably been edited ten times before you read it, but after the comment was made.
179 sankaps : They are not saying this is a non-event, which is what you are or were saying. So good try, but this does not add to your argument at all.
180 tonystan : This was a big deal. How do I know? Well Iv received a hell of a lot emails from the company and EPIC was initiated! This doesn't happen for minor in
181 planesarecool : You can 'think' what you like, and you can call me a kid if you want, but based on your proud profile statement "(I have my private pilot license)",
182 Post contains links Alpage : Probably someone already made this analysis but looking the pictures we may find some damage to the right wing slat. Please someone correct me if I'm
183 sankaps : Not just an opinion, but a poorly informed one as pretty much every else on this thread has pointed out. Interesting that you still want to keep goin
184 Toulouse : Don't think any need for concern over Airbus aircraft. In each case you mention, a simple google search will show you that all indications were that
185 planesarecool : Thankfully, unlike "pretty much every else on this thread", I'm an airline pilot, so my opinion might stand for something. I'll continue doing the jo
186 sankaps : Sure you could have dealt with it. Still does not make it a non-event. It is actually quite disconcerting that you want to keep minimising this event
187 Post contains links Roseflyer : My apologies for offending you. I also have a masters degree in engineering and have spent most of my career working on safety analysis related to ai
188 spacecadet : I'm not totally clear on the sequence of events from your post, but that sounds to me like an engine shutdown. The "high degree of bank", though, may
189 seat55a : As a consumer of aviation services, I'm pleased to be here at home if the alternative is to be sitting in back of someone with the attitude you expre
190 AR385 : Indeed. The color of the smoke does not make it look like it was fuel. Looks more like oil.
191 spacecadet : Not sure that's a whole lot better.
192 zeke : Fairly poor reporting, it only takes a cursory glance to find the engine that was lost, it is still attached to the wing. There may well have been a
193 DocLightning : Please quote where I said "panic." In fact, I cannot find that word anywhere in my post. I said: "Recognize an emergency." That is very different fro
194 gatorman96 : Let alone possible damage to the wings or empennage from flying debris. When an aircraft quickly returns to its departure airport, slides are deploye
195 eggync : I am abit confused......... hoping some airline pilots can share some knowledge with me!! From these photos/videos and above messages, it seems ppl pu
196 Md88Captain : Eggnyc, apparently the left cowl came off during departure. The pilots probably elected to perform a shutdown on that engine. Then I presume the secon
197 Post contains images comorin : Did you run into our good Doc out there From your post, it looks like BA once again had lady luck on its side - had the cowlings struck the empennage
198 YULWinterSkies : A 'non event' in the sense that it is an event that pilots are trained and prepared for. Gosh! you guys are so picky! Well, one does not do flight si
199 gatorman96 : Please tell me where pilots train for the loss of both engine cowlings within a few minutes of each other? A single engine failure may be considered
200 AirlineCritic : The last bit is very interesting. Thanks. That was what I was thinking of, too. When the cowling departs, bad things may or may not happen, and the c
201 ggflyboy : The thing I am curious about here is how easy non-secure latches are to spot in pre-flight checks. I've worked in the design phase on nacelle cowlings
202 eggync : thank you md88captain for the explanation (of course I know shutting down both engines is defenitely not the way to go!!) but still abit.......... I d
203 RickNRoll : That was what I was wondering about. Is it standard procedure to shut down the engine that loses it's cowling, perhaps this situation is covered in s
204 Post contains links RubberJungle : Perhaps this gives an indication: http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/338002737084125184
205 sankaps : Zeke -- perhaps a language thing here, but by "lost an engine" I think it is pretty clear to most that they lost the use of an engine, not that an en
206 Lofty : All runways where closed due to Fire Cover. You must have Fire Cover to operate but when all your applianies are commited to an incident you are unab
207 Post contains links and images phen : Looking at the photo on the front page - the jet blast looks like it is coming from the left engine, suggesting that the right hand engine is the one
208 brilondon : The one that comes to mind for me was the US flight that was landed on the Hudson after the Canadian Geese "attacked" it.
209 flyingthe757 : I'm really sorry, but if you think its not going to have even a small effect on the crew, both cockpit and cabin after (they of course have no time t
210 audidudi : Have there been any reports of the various cowling parts being found yet? Someone will surely find something soon you would think!
211 Post contains links Pihero : Very very difficult as this vid shows : at time 2:00, you see the operation of the fan door cowls ( those which went away ). Instead,during our walk-
212 Md88Captain : Interestingly enough - to me anyway - is that I had a simulator check ride a few days ago where I experienced a bang and then some vibration. We had j
213 Post contains links Wisdom : I must disagree. If fire loops are damaged, you don't get an indication of a fire, you get a loop fault. Fire loops work by the principle that conduc
214 Wisdom : ...and no need to wait for final report. This is a typical case of enginus cowlus not closedus properlydus. You can blame both the incompetent mechani
215 Post contains links and images zeke : Not 100% correct, fire warnings do get generated if the loops are broken in quick succession to account for uncontained failures etc. What I posted a
216 cubastar : This posting by "draigonair", shows photos from the AVHerald site that seem to show a fire or glow on the aft portion of the right engine.
217 whiteguy : That's a landing light....
218 zeke : No to me, and with an engine failure we do not land with takeoff flap. The leading edge devices are clearly deployed in reply 17. Those latches are d
219 gatorman96 : Tell me again what Airbus/Boeing has to do with engine design? If the cowling latches are so poorly designed, why aren't they flying off more frequen
220 Post contains links and images Pihero : I really do suggest you update your library. You are describing a Graviner system that went out of date in the seventies. Nowadays, fire detection is
221 awthompson : If the above is true and four sets of eyes missed this, I can only say that complacency has crept in big time, just human nature. A serious incident
222 Post contains links Wisdom : I said that it can't, twice. Look closely because the smoke clearly comes from forward of the firewall. Zoom in or get yourself a ultra premium membe
223 Post contains images Pihero : Bull ( that's twice) Like the rest of this post Yes . Do start with how many cases possible of loop damage can trigger a fire alarm. I counted foiur.
224 Post contains links and images Wisdom : Are you suggesting that the fire was inside the aft cowl and that it was sucked forward to the front of the aft cowl by mysterious forces? Aren't you
225 upperdeck : To be fair mate you did suggest that Airbus made engines. If you make a rookie mistake like that you're going to open yourself up to criticism.
226 hivue : Simultaneous (more or less) FADEC failures? There are seaparate FADECs for each engine, correct?
227 Wisdom : Now we're talking Universal Studios. Or is it Cartoon Networks? Even if the FADEC fails, the engine will continue to run and a FADEC malfunction will
228 AmericanAirFan : Correct, the engines are not designed by aircraft manufacturer. However, cowlings and inlets etc. are designed by the airframe manufacturer. They are
229 RickNRoll : I would hope the NEO engines have a design that indicates more easily if the latches are open or closed. It's just basic ergonomics, isn't it?
230 Post contains images Pihero : Yes. Stretching things a bit, we don't know the events on both engines have the same origin. Since the year 2000, there are 13 instances of lost cowl
231 Tristarsteve : The BA Airbus fleet have a weekly maintenance check which is performed on the ramp. This includes the IDG oil level check, which on this engine requi
232 Pihero : Thanks, Steve. Could it be programmed on a short night stay ?
233 Tristarsteve : Yes around 15 weekly checks done every night on aircraft parked on terminal gates.
234 Post contains links and images airbazar : If that's true then most posters would be wrong. Thats your opinion and it's incorrect. This one is for the 2 of you, hivue and LIFFY1A: http://www.s
235 sankaps : Is this an absolute rule? For example CF6 engines cowlings appear to be the same whether on the 747, DC10, or A300. Conversely, the cowlings for RR v
236 b2319 : I am no means an aviation engineer/maintenance specialist/expert and so on. In the chemical industry, aviation fuel would be considered as an electri
237 Pihero : No, this one is for all of us. Thanks That one escaped me. Read too fast. And there are so many errors in that post.. Thanks for the find and sharing
238 hivue : Interesting links, but where does it say that, following the incident, the left engine continued to produce normal power? In fact, the article says,
239 LIFFY1A : There was no dual engine failure. Did the engine fail?
240 zeke : We do not land with takeoff flap with an engine failure, we use landing flap. The flap selection used for this approach would be consistent with the
241 LIFFY1A : Yes, I can see no mention of the engine failing or loss of thrust in the article. I wonder why it comes under the headline of Uncontained Engine Fail
242 musang : Apparently there was a crosswind. Seemingly not that easy. Not only would the mechanic and pilot doing the walk-round have to fail to spot them, but
243 Viscount724 : Not necessarily true. If not mistaken Rolls-Royce has generally designed the cowlings as a package along with the engine.
244 Wisdom : Let's start by saying that fuel and its vapors are not good insulators. In this case they would form a non-conductive dielectric, but given sufficien
245 Wisdom : I find it disrespectful of you to come between me and Pihero with a quote taken out of context. I did not imply that single engine landings are done
246 AR385 : I think the V2500 is a joint venture between Pratt & Whitney and Rolls Royce.
247 Post contains links zkojq : Looking at the photo in the link below, there seems to have been some paint removed along the bottom of the fuselage. I assume this was done by the co
248 spacecadet : That's another interpretation, which doesn't disprove or even dispute mine - an engine shutdown does not preclude crosswinds. The photographs of the
249 Post contains links and images Pihero : That's what you call a *short by leaked fuel * Hmmm Never said that as I haven't given an assumption on the origin of the events: ... and yet you saw
250 Post contains images AngMoh : In high voltage systems, oil is used as an insulator. High voltage cables contain oil. Transformers are immersed in oil. This is a load of nonsense.
251 Pihero : Those are marks left by the wing evacuation chute being deployed. and... A bit contradictotry, don't you think ? No, we don't at all. we're just care
252 Wisdom : I think that you're failing to make a fundamental difference between mineral oil, grease and jet fuel. They all have significantly different electric
253 Wisdom : I'm sorry if you misunderstood my comment. I will rephrase it as follows: The discussion should be about why the holes in the Swiss Cheese aligned. I
254 prebennorholm : Right. But for safety reasons jet fuel contains as an additive an antistatic agent to dissipate static electricity. Most often used additive for this
255 zkojq : Thankyou for clarifying.
256 Post contains links zeke : This is a public forum, we can all join in. Myself and others did not follow the following comment, "perfect for the one-engine landing, as they woul
257 Post contains links iowaman : Due to length, this thread will be archived and available for future reference. Here is part two: BA A319 Incident At LHR Part 2 (by iowaman May 27 20
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