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DL JFK T4B - Experience And Pics  
User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 815 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 17386 times:

It's the first day!

Post experiences and pics here!

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User currently onlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 17259 times:

DL sure seems to be quite proud of their renovations, and rightly so, it looks spectacular.
I'm interested in the food outlets.
Apparently, they're not the usual McDonald's or Burger King fare.



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3002 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16661 times:

I landed at JFK around 5:30 this morning and taxied right past T4. After watching the construction over the past months/years, it was exciting to see DL aircraft (mostly 738s and 757s, with one 744 presumably for the NRT flight, from what I could see) parked at all the new gates. Unfortunately I did not take a picture, but it looked like they were all set to get up and running this morning. T3, meanwhile, was looking completely deserted and a bit forlorn. I hope things go smoothly at T4 despite the weather and holiday crowds. Can't wait to hear initial impressions, and to try it myself!


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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16111 times:

Wow. Was all the hype in these threads coming from armchair passengers?  

Other than above, has anyone else flown through the new T4B?


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4931 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15627 times:
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Here's a video taken earlier this morning: (not from me)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wis7nVMe3GM

I won't depart from T4 till Sunday but should probably have some pics then, if someone else hasn't posted some by then.


User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1095 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14201 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 3):
Wow. Was all the hype in these threads coming from armchair passengers?

Some of it was coming from Delta. Delta keeps calling it a "new terminal." But the terminal was already there; they more or less added 9 gates to an existing pier.

Look at the existing pictures of T4B and just imagine the concourse with new floors and wall treatments. That's pretty much it.

As to the new Delta ticketing lobby, it is basically the old lobby with a section for SkyPriority. The budget apparently did not provide for redoing the floors.


User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14118 times:

Swung by the SkyClub this afternoon. Very large and the Sky Deck was nice (got out there before the rain came). There's dining available (for a fee) and said food did look rather good.

User currently offlinelucky777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13999 times:

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 5):
Look at the existing pictures of T4B and just imagine the concourse with new floors and wall treatments. That's pretty much it.

Clearly you haven't watched the video, i'd say its more than "new floors and wall treatments". But if you choose to look at it as half-empty then have at it.


User currently offlinebkircher From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13641 times:

Can someone post some images of where terminal 4b is located? And where the old terminal is that this one replaced?

User currently offlineattyavgeek From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13483 times:

Here's a article from Skift.com that has some pictures: http://skift.com/2013/05/24/deltas-1...g-fight-for-business-travelers/#/0

Enjoy!


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1187 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13014 times:

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 5):
Look at the existing pictures of T4B and just imagine the concourse with new floors and wall treatments. That's pretty much it.

Yes, thats all there is lol....I'm sure you can see very clearly from that armchair. The New Concourse and Terminal updates are beautiful. Yes I've seen it.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4981 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12876 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 4):

I was there in March and looks pretty amazing. Great to see T4B complete.

Is the outdoor area under cover? Looks as though there ain't any roof.

EK413



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4316 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11277 times:

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 5):

Quoting questions (Reply 3):
Wow. Was all the hype in these threads coming from armchair passengers?

Some of it was coming from Delta. Delta keeps calling it a "new terminal." But the terminal was already there; they more or less added 9 gates to an existing pier.

Look at the existing pictures of T4B and just imagine the concourse with new floors and wall treatments. That's pretty much it.

As to the new Delta ticketing lobby, it is basically the old lobby with a section for SkyPriority. The budget apparently did not provide for redoing the floors.


OK so you have a grudge against Delta. I bet if you were to fly from there that you might...you would find something to complain about. Like the blue is too blue or the red Delta widget is not widgety enough. Typical A-Net negative attitude towards anything new.



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10959 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 7):
Clearly you haven't watched the video, i'd say its more than "new floors and wall treatments".

Well, I watched the video. It looks nice, but you have to admit, it's not really what you'd call a dramatic public space. It's a nicely furnished terminal with some decent food options (though I cringed a little when I saw Shake Shack - hasn't that place's trendiness shelf life expired by now?), but that's all I can see from that video. If you consider that an insult, then I'm not sure what you're expecting us to say.

It is better than what was there before, definitely.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10762 times:

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 5):
. Delta keeps calling it a "new terminal." But the terminal was already there; they more or less added 9 gates to an existing pier.

I want to jump on this point too, every time there is some piece of news that media is covering that has to do with aviation the aviation communities jump all over them for their "inaccurate reporting etc.." if they get the slightest bit of information incorrect. Yet this news is given a pass, all day long on CNBC and every article I've read they are touting the new DL Terminal. Yes the 10 year old terminal is being touted as a "New Terminal", when in reality they added a few thousand more feet to an existing concourse and realigned the ticketing, screening areas. It's a huge improvement, and a milestone for DL at JFK, but it's not a new Terminal. T-5 was the last new Terminal built. T-4, where DL is relocating their T-3 operations, opened 10 years ago.

This though is just another sign of just how savvy the DL pr folks are, they add a few thousand square feet and call it a new terminal and everyone picks up on it and runs with it. I guess inviting the media to come out and report on their concourse expansion is not as sexy as the term "new Terminal".



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8791 times:

Some additional pictures and info from USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...rt-international-terminal/2359045/


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8741 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 15):


Some additional pictures and info from USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...rt-international-terminal/2359045/

The headline from the article:

Quote:
Delta unveils new international terminal at JFK

Again, where is this new terminal? They expanded a concourse by 9 gates, and reconfigured the check in and security screening areas.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):

Again, where is this new terminal? They expanded a concourse by 9 gates, and reconfigured the check in and security screening areas.

I think it is a matter of how one interprets the language. I think the intent is to emphasize "Delta's" new international terminal and not that Delta moved into a newly built terminal.


User currently offlineDL747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8620 times:

Beautiful new terminal space for DL to welcome the world! Yet another element of the total reinvention and rebuilding of Delta.

T4B is merely a taste of what DL has in store for JFK. Even more exciting things are on the way to come. Stay tuned......  


User currently offlineDL747400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8581 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
Yes the 10 year old terminal is being touted as a "New Terminal", when in reality they added a few thousand more feet to an existing concourse and realigned the ticketing, screening areas.

Try 346,000 square feet to be exact. More than "a few" I'd say.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17684 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8556 times:

Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 5):
Delta keeps calling it a "new terminal." But the terminal was already there; they more or less added 9 gates to an existing pier.

The check in hall, outdoor deck, and sky club look great, but I think people are going to see the actual gate area and wonder what the hype was about. Nonetheless, a 2x4 to the head would have been preferable to the prior setup so it's a big plus for DL even if it's not mind blowing.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1895 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8532 times:
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Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 5):
Some of it was coming from Delta. Delta keeps calling it a "new terminal." But the terminal was already there; they more or less added 9 gates to an existing pier.

Wether the building was there now or not it is still DELTA'S NEW TERMINAL



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User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1187 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8526 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 17):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):

Again, where is this new terminal? They expanded a concourse by 9 gates, and reconfigured the check in and security screening areas.

I think it is a matter of how one interprets the language. I think the intent is to emphasize "Delta's" new international terminal and not that Delta moved into a newly built terminal.

Exactly, Delta's New international Terminal 4
Works wonderfully for Delta that the media decides to call it the New Terminal 4

Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
This though is just another sign of just how savvy the DL pr folks are

Yes, they are Savvy to say the least. They know how to control the narrative and some may even
say brilliant   NYC largest carrier is sticking  


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3562 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8439 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 22):
NYC largest carrier is sticking

Techincally, they are the only ones that can say that.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17684 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8420 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 23):
Techincally, they are the only ones that can say that.

Technically, no one cares, nor does it matter really. Regardless UA's NYC hub is still 30% larger in ASMs than DL at LGA/JFK combined in JUL13 



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25 NYC-air : Can anyone tell me what the signs say on the airtrain and on the roadways to JFK? Are all passengers directed to T4? Are some being sent to T2 to chec
26 LDVAviation : But there is nothing new here. Delta added 9 gates by extending a pier. They did not completely change the geometry of the pier or its design. The ex
27 mayor : I don't suppose that the average (or even above average) traveller, when looking at print ads, is going to see that UA's "ASMs" at their hub are more
28 cokepopper : Exactly, and to expand on that, it may not play well in middle America or the West coast, but it is playing very big here in the New York area.
29 Post contains links NYCAdvantage : If you had ever used T4B gates before, You will noticed that the new addition makes it feel like a whole new place, it make you feel like in an inter
30 MaverickM11 : This is a roundabout way of saying DL's NYC expansion is all PR, which it is not. The reality is NYC point of sale wants the best schedule, most seat
31 STT757 : When all is said and done DL will end up with less gates at JFK than they had with T3/T2. That's my point, it's an addition not a "new Terminal".
32 Post contains links nicholasjet : Few more images and words from thedesignair.net also here.... http://thedesignair.net/2013/05/25/d...a-open-refurbished-jfk-terminal-4/ I like it, it
33 Deltal1011man : They are the largest carrier in New york. Its not wrong, It just kind of a play on words. EWR is not in New York, but is a NYC airport. er...when the
34 RobertS975 : This blog mentions that the phase 2 of the project is to replace the current T2 for a total of 27 gates... that is the first that I have heard that T
35 goldenstate : The reason you are wondering this is probably because you do not understand the scope of either project, regional differences in construction costs,
36 Burj : I was there yesterday and will be putting together at trip report later today...... But skimming this thread what I want to point out is that it is al
37 Polot : I think they are talking about T4B with that comment, not T2. To have 27 gates in T2 you would basically have to triple or quadruple the size of the
38 NYCAdvantage : You know that most of us get your point, it's not a new building, for most of us that have traveled daily, weekly or monthly thru T4 for the past year
39 BN747 : That's the observation that stings the most, NY's #1 air terminal facility doesn't even measure up to Detroit. No amount of positive spin will ever c
40 Post contains links jetbluefan1 : True. Ironically enough though, B6's T5 @ JFK is the #5 rated terminal in the world. http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/s...worst-airport-terminals/5
41 LDVAviation : Oh really? "Financial" analysis for "investment" decisions? As opposed to what? A psychoanalysis of investment decisions? LOL. I have used T4B gates
42 STT757 : I wouldn't brag about any of their shareholder value considering they've all been bankrupt with the last 6 years. I own stock in both btw.
43 SA7700 : This thread was started in order to discuss Delta's T4B at JFK. The thread was not started in order to make unnecessary comparisons between NYC area a
44 mayor : Well, it's not like DTW is sitting in the middle of Detroit's inner city.
45 United1 : Well to be fair neither is JFK.....it's right on the edge of the city and the start of the LI suburbs. I think this was a good compromise by DL and t
46 B727FA : I was there for the dedication (and even saw SRB pull off RA's tie and throw it into the crowd!) and while it is a beautiful complex, from a crew pers
47 mayor : I'm willing to bet that DL wishes that they had some of the money back, that they've spent on JFK since '91 and could have applied it to this termina
48 United1 : Indeed....I know there are a lot of people out there who blame DL for the destruction of T3 but they really did spend quite a lot of money on upkeep
49 Josh32121 : The purpose of this thread was to share firsthand experiences of the terminal since it opened three days ago to see how the finished product matched u
50 Post contains images panamair : T2 remains as-is; i.e., the check-in areas haven't changed, and one can choose to check in there as well. I checked in at the usual SkyPriority sectio
51 slinky09 : Agreed - but they should have their moment in the news, that's the purpose of good PR. Further note, it's not even Delta's terminal - there are still
52 alfa164 : I have just returned through T4 (and then departed), and I have very mixed feelings about it. First, the good news: Customs and Immigration is much be
53 rwy04lga : I agree that ICN is a wonderful airport....my favorite also, but if you're looking for warehouse space at JFK....T-5 is the place to be. T-8 was buil
54 B727FA : All I know is I have had numerous ticked off pax who say they "can't check in at T2 (C gates) though I'm sure I saw people checking in there when I we
55 georgiaame : A few years ago, I had the unbelievable misfortune of making international connections with DL via JFK. It saved me about $50. From the moments before
56 Post contains links Burj : I posted my trip report a few days ago from the opening day....LOTS of photos if you don't feel like ready the actual report... DL ROC->LGA->***
57 alfa164 : No argument here from me. T4 is like putting a big muffler on a Yugo... all the cosmetics in the world won't change the reality.
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