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PIA LHE-MAN Squawk 7700  
User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13375 times:

Looks to be diverting to STN.


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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13330 times:
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Being escorted by fighter jets....

http://news.sky.com/story/1095214/fi...orting-passenger-plane-to-stansted

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User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13270 times:

Appears to be taxiing to North side of airfield, doesn't appear to be technical.

User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13276 times:

Landed STN a few seconds ago.

Ongoing event.



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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13277 times:
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Seems to be tracking towards London?

PIA709 squawk 7700 General Emergency.

Hyjacking is a 7500 code so assume this is lost coms / general emergency

http://fr24.com/PIA709

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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19202 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13278 times:

On BBC News, too, including a nice FR24 image.


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User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13089 times:

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 4):
Hyjacking is a 7500 code so assume this is lost coms / general emergency

I assume its an error on the crews part. The fact its gone to STN in particular with the escort is not too good a sign. No reason why it couldn't have gone to MAN with a comm failure.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19202 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13093 times:

Supposedly an "incident on board" (disturbance?) according to the MOD per the BBC.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12927 times:
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Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7):
Supposedly an "incident on board" (disturbance?) according to the MOD per the BBC.

From the BBC

Quoting BBC:

RAF Typhoon jets have been launched to investigate an incident involving a civilian aircraft within UK airspace, the Ministry of Defence has said.

A Pakistan International Airlines plane has been diverted from Manchester to Stansted Airport, a Manchester Airport spokesman said.

An Essex Police spokeswoman added: "An incident has occurred on an aircraft. Police and partners are responding."

The BBC understands that the plane left Lahore at 09:35 local time.

It was due in at Manchester at 1400 BST.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22658979

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User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12931 times:

Last track on a/c was parked at an isolated stand on North side of airport.

What is the procedure for a complete comms failure (extremely unlikely, I know)? Do they divert to nearest suitable airfield and assume ATC will sort everthing? In this case, would the crew have known that STN was the designated diversion airfield for emergencies - where QRA is involved at least?


User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12866 times:

BBC quoted as saying a disturbance on board. Significant in that the aircraft was flown south to STN rather than continuing to MAN.

Noted that it is closer to the capital - possibly easier for london based security personnel to manage the situation.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19202 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12827 times:

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 8):

From the BBC

I was quoting from BBC News live on channel 80.



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User currently offlineblooBirdie From Lesotho, joined Sep 2003, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12713 times:

Quoting btblue (Reply 12):
Significant in that the aircraft was flown south to STN rather than continuing to MAN.

STN is the designated diversion airport for "events" in UK airspace.


User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12591 times:

Latest from BBC:

Aircraft was 10 minutes from landing. Essex police indicate an incident on board.

PIA released a statement to the effect that MAN had received a call regarding the flight and had initiated the diversion procedures in co-operation with authorities.


User currently offlinemalioil From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12571 times:

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 10):

In the case of communication failure the aircraft would squawk 7600.



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User currently offlineTheAviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12535 times:

Right, as per Sky news it was near York from York to MAN for 77W is I am sure not more than 20-30mins? Then why they went all the way to STN?? baffling.

Very interesting day in the UK regarding Aviation !


User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12394 times:

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 17):
Right, as per Sky news it was near York from York to MAN for 77W is I am sure not more than 20-30mins? Then why they went all the way to STN??

Because:

Quoting blooBirdie (Reply 14):
STN is the designated diversion airport for "events" in UK airspace.


User currently offlinebaw787 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12278 times:

They are saying, two people have been arrested.

A Pakistan International Airlines spokesman Zufiqar Bijarani told CNN: "We have been told there may have been a bomb threat." But he did not say if he had anything to confirm or deny this.


User currently offlineliquidair From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11842 times:

Bomb disposal vehicle has arrived on scene.

May only be precautionary.


User currently offlinePRFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10738 times:

AVHerald reporting 2 passengers repeatedly trying to get in to the cockpit.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=462c0ad4&opt=512


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10649 times:

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 6):
I assume its an error on the crews part. The fact its gone to STN in particular with the escort is not too good a sign. No reason why it couldn't have gone to MAN with a comm failure.

Not an error. They had pax trying to get into the cockpit, but they weren't hijacked, so 7700 seems a perfectly reasonable squawk.



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User currently offlinespeedbird11 From UK - England, joined Feb 2010, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10483 times:

Per The Aviator 380 "Right, as per Sky news it was near York from York to MAN for 77W is I am sure not more than 20-30mins? Then why they went all the way to STN?? baffling. "

Not baffling at all..... Stansted is the designated airport for all suspected terrorist events in UK Airspace, hence the diversion. Aircraft park on the remote North Stand away from buildings and the media for isolation purposes. We all remember the events of the Ariana Afghan 727 hijacking!!¬


User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10408 times:

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 20):
Not an error. They had pax trying to get into the cockpit, but they weren't hijacked, so 7700 seems a perfectly reasonable squawk.

It was a potential hijack situation. Hence the diversion to Stansted and not just continuing to MAN. 7500 would have been more appropriate.



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User currently offlinecubastar From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 407 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8001 times:

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 22):
They had pax trying to get into the cockpit, but they weren't hijacked, so 7700 seems a perfectly reasonable squawk.

Agreed.

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 4):
Hyjacking is a 7500 code so assume this is lost coms

I believe Lost Com is 7600.

Perhaps ATC requested it to squawk 7700. Something to do with the fighter escorts or military.


User currently offlineokobjorn From Denmark, joined Jun 2011, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7277 times:

"Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 4):
Hyjacking is a 7500 code so assume this is lost coms

I believe Lost Com is 7600."

Someone in here learned me that:
75 - Man with knife (Hijacking)
76 - Something needs a fix (Mechanical)
77 - Someone going to heaven (Medical)


User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5327 times:

So what happened? In case of BA762 we have already a lot of information but not for this flight. Some passengers are being quoted that the crew overreacted. Any news?

User currently offline747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Globally, 7500 is the code for hijacking, 7600 is the code for lost two-way radio communication (obviously not loss of all communication), and 7700 is the code for emergency.

In the U.S., a flight with lost communications would continue on its most recent ATC clearance if in IMC, and if no clearance was received, on its planned route of flight. If in VFR conditions, it would land at the nearest practical airport. Not sure how that works in the UK, but either way, it doesn't seem to apply here.



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
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2 males now charged with endangering an aircraft.

User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2894 posts, RR: 25
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

The ammount of disinformation and supposition made to sound like fact on here is the only thing which is "baffling."

People need to read up on UK Air Law and procedures before speculating or analysing the correct procedure which was adopted yesterday.

By all accounts, this was a job well done, to the book.

Rgds



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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2153 times:
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According to the BBC they allegedly threatened that "crew and passengers would be killed and the aircraft blown up before landing".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22680992

They both pled not guilty. Will be interesting to see what comes of this...

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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13072 posts, RR: 12
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Per MSN.com, the pair are being held without access to bail. That suggests that there is a very serious reason to believe that they were interfering or going to do so with the flight and possibly were trying to cause an act of terror.

I wonder if as the one guy being held was seeking some kind of revenge on the Pakistani government and the UK's as well, as he was returning from the funeral of his mother (per the linked news story), I wonder ?


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2980 posts, RR: 7
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2012 times:
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Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 30):
Per MSN.com, the pair are being held without access to bail. That suggests that there is a very serious reason to believe that they were interfering or going to do so with the flight and possibly were trying to cause an act of terror.

No they are remanded into protective custody pending magistrate court hearings and probable trial date settings because it's considered they may : -

A - Abscond

B- Be a risk to themselves and others

C- Be at risk of being attacked by others.


User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 30):
Per MSN.com, the pair are being held without access to bail. That suggests that there is a very serious reason to believe that they were interfering or going to do so with the flight and possibly were trying to cause an act of terror.
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 31):
No they are remanded into protective custody pending magistrate court hearings and probable trial date settings because it's considered they may : -

Same thing, just different phraseology. I was slightly surprised they weren't granted bail, but that does indicate this was more than just an angry/drunk passenger.


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