Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19301 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11900 times:
Quoting cornishsimon (Reply 3): Is MAN operating under a night curfew or could a later flight take off at say 0100 ?
Remember, it is about connectivity. If it departed MAN at 1am it'd be scheduled to arrive DXB at around 11am. While there are eastward departures in the 2pm-4pm period, there aren't many. This would give it little connectivity in Dubai. And as it'd likely arrive into MAN around 1130pm, it'd probably depart DXB about 650pm - with this flight not fed by many arrivals in DXB. Note that the 12pm-1259pm inbound bank are primarlily from the east.
Quoting david_itl (Reply 5): EK23/24 is slated to be "shadowing" EK17/18 - the route's following the same kind of strategy that they did at LHR where EK29/30 was the 4th flight
This makes more sense and is logical for a fourth-daily.
For your interest, the following shows EK's arrivals and departures in DXB for the w/c 20th May 2013.
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britannia25 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11668 times:
2 A380s and 2 77Ws a day from Manchester? Really? Plus 2 77Ws down the road at Birmingham, not to mention all the flights out of London. Is that really sustainable? I am no expert and of course, do not work for Emirates management but how on earth do they make money on such a route and is that amount of frequency not going into over-kill.
Daleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3211 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10615 times:
Think it will remain as it is for the foreseeable future, 2x773 1x380. If they were to introduce a 2nd A380, it would be seasonal and only replace one of the 777's. The high demand isn't all year round as some may think.
On the subject of curfew/restrictions. Airlines are allowed depart/land throughout the night, however between the hours of 2359-0600 (I think) any departures have to pay the airport extra, kind of like a fine, for not departing before midnight. (Mainly due to noise/compensation). There's quite a few airlines who have departures in the middle of the night, TCX to ZTH, KM to MLA, ZB and TOM to IBZ....
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magpie75 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10544 times:
Now that QF has teamed up with EK, the Manchester route is the 2nd busiest route for QF behind LHR on EK metal of course to Europe . The QF/EK partnership is going to help Emirates really grow some of these secondary European markets.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11829 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10081 times:
Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 11): On the subject of curfew/restrictions. Airlines are allowed depart/land throughout the night, however between the hours of 2359-0600 (I think) any departures have to pay the airport extra, kind of like a fine, for not departing before midnight. (Mainly due to noise/compensation).
Between 23:30 and 05:59 only stage 3 compliant aircraft are allowed - although that is pretty much anything these days. Aircraft must also not exceed 96 PNdB between 23:00 and 06:59, if they do there is a £750 charge plus £150 for every dB over this limit.
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ek-a380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6543 times:
There is a huge Indian Sub-Continent and Chinese population in and around MAN plus a large demand for travel to Australia which is where the majority of their passengers are heading to. Cargo is also another good area they tap into well and overall they do very well.
I remember the time when they flew from MAN to DXB twice a week via FRA and ZRH and today they have 3 x daily service. Absolutely phenomenal growth and they know their business, coupled with a big gap by the likes of BA and VS who have written off long haul from MAN.
Normally round Ramadan it tapers off, Affects other airports as well
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 16): In the same way QR and EY refuse to develop outside of DOH and AUH
Not really. So you really see QR wanting to operate out of AUH or DXB (part of the drawback being that they are not part of the UAE) and would Dubai really welcome EY - EY's not got half the network of EK and tends to follow EK's lead in route launches. Whereas as BA had the domestic/Euro routes that any one that possessed a braincell at BA could have tinkered around the long-haul routes that were there at the time. But braincells at BA and operating out of UK regional airports are mutually exclusive concepts
GT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1816 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6174 times:
David_itl read my comment again. I was inferring that QR and EY are only interested in DOH and AUH in the same way that BA are on LHR.
As for the EK market ex MAN, there is a large Pakistani, Indian and Chinese market but don't underestimate the disposable income of the white, British population (dispite the northern England stereotype) who like to travel to Asia aswell as our historic links to Oz!
RyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 6026 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6094 times:
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 21): the EK market ex MAN, there is a large Pakistani, Indian and Chinese market
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 21): don't underestimate the disposable income of the white, British population
Oh so true, EK carry a very good number of people to MLE, MRU etc. plus a decent number pay for J.
Another market is the historically strong trade and investment between Manchester and Hong Kong. While going via DXB is a bit of a detour plenty of people do. My mother works for a Manchester-based company with their primary operations in HK/PRC, the UK executives fly EK F from MAN to HKG or PVG.
From when I lived near MAN, I got the sense that many passengers were "outbound". As someone said up thread, however, Manchester is the second largest destination in Europe for Australians flying to Europe. That's a pretty incredible statistic (although I 100% believe it) and it shows that there is a large inbound market, as well as outbound.
(for fairness, we should also mention New Zealand as well!)
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3385 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5492 times:
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10): Try 3 77Ws from BHX by then - a third flight will be coming soon. Once the runway extension is complete at least one of those will go to an A388.
Excpet growth at Birmingham has not come close to matching growth at MAN, there's little call for a third daily flight let alone an A388. What's the runway extension got to do with it btw? It's not an issue for EK to DXB.
: Runway extension has ZERO impact on Emirates' presence at BHX. Fact is, EK loads on the surface are declining at BHX. Scratch below the surface and th
: In the future they appear to think otherwise. I have no reason to doubt my source for this information. For the majority of the year no, but there ar
: Perhaps so, if we ignore the tens of thousands of passengers that fly MAN-LHR-HKG. Even VS said there was only (only!) 90,000 passengers who they cla
: So you are suggesting that overspill from the South East will be happy to drive/travel to the North West to fly out of MAN, instead of using the near
: The available facts would seem to contradict him. Major capital investment in a recession generating savings how and when? It's not the same as gover
: Personally I remain dubious of the growth projections and forecasts. They have always been overly optimistic ! It is true the South East (Well LHR on
: I would disagree. Yes TK entering the route with aggressive pricing has had an impact, but not that significantly. Put it this way, they have been ba
: No the problem is a lack of hub capacity at Heathrow, there is a fair bit of runway capacity lying empty at STN, SEN and LCY off peak, even LGW is de
: STN yes, SEN would have to chuck the GA out and/or apply for a higher movements cap, LTN will have a bit more with the infrastructure alterations, an
: Manchester is supporting the current 3x daily EK services with just traffic from it's own region, and very much the same can be said for services out
: Overspill is going to happen in the future, so you may as well get used to it. It wouldn't, as the A388 carries less cargo than the 77W. Dan
: LHR is 5 A380s (plus the 2 daily QF A380s), while LGW is 3 77Ws. I imagine LHR will grow once BA returns their leased QF slots (2 pairs), while LGW w
: How many daily flights are there in the LON-UAE route? I am getting LHR-DXB 5 EK A380 2 QF A380 1 BA B777 1 BA B747 1 VS A340 1 BI B777 LGW-DXB 3 EK
: No doubt, but it is still a decent number of people flying from Australia to Manchester regardless of the reason that they're going. Similarly the th
: Many parts of Yorkshire are served by EK at MAN, not just it's own 'North West' region. Hmmm, surely it depends of F & J demand? Upgrading EK19/2
: First is available on all the MAN services. It's also available on GLA which is more of a surprise given that was started a bit after BHX,.
: No but using a hub is "profitable" which beats sustainable. If you want sustainable, subsidise it rather than TAX it to death. Five daily, EK008 / 00
: Agreed in every respect. The pressures at LHR will result in up-gauging and for the incumbent carriers can only lead to increased yield as fares can
: Having recently flown out of MAN on the EK A380 in F I can say that this flight was very light in F (3pax / 14 seats) but almost full in J & Y. G
: I respectfully disagree, personally and professionally. And increased fares will lead to more price sensitive passengers using airports outside of th
: Seriously ! You know how often the Oxford Tube Bus service operates 24/7, have you seen the cars including mine at times under the bridge at the Watl
: EK upgraded the evening service to a three class 77W with F due to the continuing demand.
: Yes, as a matter of fact I use it often, but how is this relevant to reaching LHR from Oxford? The Tube serves London itself, and even though the fre
: Agreed on this point yet most of that price sensitive traffic is likely to be short/medium haul rather than long haul. We constantly have these debat
: When did they refuse that? Besides those countries are a lot smaller than the UK, and a have a significantly smaller population. Not to mention only
: It's not likely fares will rise actually, as the A380 is used more at LHR, through fares over DXB, BKK and KUL remain very competitive? Seriously Dan
: Alright for some routes, but that's not going to work on most from Heathrow is it, or all the other London/South East airports. You also need to cons
: Some things never change though. OK let's approach this from the other end. Which airlines do you see "over spilling" in the medium term then? Errrrr
: It's not as simple as saying airline 'x' will over spill - airline 'x' could well be quite happy just maturing the yields on its existing services an