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AWE920 Declared Mayday May 25th  
User currently offlinerobk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 18
Posted (11 months 19 hours ago) and read 28818 times:

Was on HF 8918. Declared mayday with a great sense of urgency in his voice. Immediate descent from FL350 to FL200 and a phone patch with New York ATC which I couldn't hear due to terrible HF conditions. Is being handed off to VHF 126.02 in a few mins, don't know which centre that is. Aircraft is B752 N200UU.

edit: typo

[Edited 2013-05-25 08:47:59]

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User currently offlinerobk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (11 months 19 hours ago) and read 28751 times:

FL200 140 degree radial, 265 miles from Wilmington, alternate Charlotte. We are now going to go direct to Charlotte. Change now to centre on 126.02.

User currently offlineGRUIAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 months 19 hours ago) and read 28644 times:

If they chose CLT it must be something manageable. ILM is right on the coast and a half hour or more closer.

User currently offlinerobk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (11 months 19 hours ago) and read 28458 times:

Terrible conditions and I can't make it out, but the flight declares mayday at 24 mins 09 seconds on this link (due credit to Dave/liveatc.net) :

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/hf...AR-A-NS-8918-May-25-2013-1500Z.mp3


User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 28120 times:

Weird, cant find it on flightradar24

edit: nevermind, I found it. SE of wilmington

[Edited 2013-05-25 09:12:56]


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 28065 times:

Flightaware shows it halfway to its destination airport.. with no divert


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User currently offlinerobk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 27915 times:

It's tracking now it's back under radar coverage. Was in the WATRS area before where there's no radar coverage and flightaware just fills in the blanks with estimated positions which are rarely correct in my experience. You should see it pop up on the tracking sites now.

User currently offlineWTXJET From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 27860 times:

ETA CLT 12:43local per US Airways website

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 27860 times:

Quoting robk (Reply 6):

Yea.. it just updated.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineGRUIAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 27862 times:

Flightaware estimates position based on planned route of flight in transoceanic sectors. It isn't using radar data therefore is not a reliable source until its back inside an enroute centers control.

User currently offlinekl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 27706 times:

Quoting GRUIAD (Reply 9):
It isn't using radar data therefore is not a reliable source until its back inside an enroute centers control.

For this purpose flightradar24 is better, getting live radar info, and over the atlantic from FAA



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4256 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 27403 times:

Quoting robk (Reply 3):
Terrible conditions and I can't make it out, but the flight declares mayday at 24 mins 09 seconds on this link (due credit to Dave/liveatc.net) :

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/hf...Z.mp3

I tried filtering out some of the noise but still can't make much out unfortunately.


User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 27365 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
Flightaware shows it halfway to its destination airport.. with no divert

FWIW flightview.com says the plane was flying from PHL to AUA, and diverted to CLT and is 19 minutes out of CLT as of this writing.



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User currently offlinequalitydr From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 26827 times:

Do you think this flight chose CLT because of AWE operations there? Or some other basis for choice? Seems to me, from where they turned right, they would have had a large number of choices, several closer than CLT...


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User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 26611 times:

Just out of 3000 feet....


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User currently offlineboeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 26272 times:

Terminated the emergency upon entering the ramp...

Boeing727


User currently offlinequalitydr From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 months 18 hours ago) and read 26270 times:

Looks to be doing fine, on final now and seconds from touchdown. Any word on what the emergency is?


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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5215 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (11 months 17 hours ago) and read 25982 times:

This is probably the most dramatic thread I've read on JUB - thanks to the factual, non-hysterical posts.

Congrats to the posters.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1267 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (11 months 17 hours ago) and read 25976 times:

I tried to access the atc voice but I got a message saying "Access denied due to network abuse." I have never accessed the site in my life! How could I have abused it?


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6109 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (11 months 17 hours ago) and read 25111 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 18):
I tried to access the atc voice but I got a message saying "Access denied due to network abuse." I have never accessed the site in my life! How could I have abused it?

Are you home or maybe on a shared network ? Do you have a static IP ?



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3244 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (11 months 17 hours ago) and read 24800 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 18):

Same happened to me, but I'm on a flight right now. Just go through the main liveatc.net page, type in 8918 in the full site search, and find the appropriate link (towards the bottom), and navigate to the archive from there.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24080 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (11 months 17 hours ago) and read 24269 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 10):
Quoting GRUIAD (Reply 9):
It isn't using radar data therefore is not a reliable source until its back inside an enroute centers control.

For this purpose flightradar24 is better, getting live radar info, and over the atlantic from FAA

What radar? Wasn't it outside any radar coverage area?


User currently offlinerobk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (11 months 17 hours ago) and read 24212 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
What radar? Wasn't it outside any radar coverage area?

Correct. As far as I know both sites receive the exact same data from the FAA ASDI feed so neither site will be better than the other.


User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 months 16 hours ago) and read 23530 times:
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According to USAirways, flight left 2 hours late from PHL and diverted due to maintenance. Obviously something that they thought was fixed wasnt.


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User currently offlinenwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 687 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (11 months 16 hours ago) and read 23009 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 23):
According to USAirways, flight left 2 hours late from PHL and diverted due to maintenance. Obviously something that they thought was fixed wasnt.

Or... more likely that it was a secondary, unrelated issue. Airlines don't just "think" something is fixed, and captains dont just accept aircraft "assuming" its good to go.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 25, posted (11 months 14 hours ago) and read 21535 times:

It's already on avherald dot com, evidently problems with fuel balance.

User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (11 months 13 hours ago) and read 20624 times:

Quoting warden145 (Reply 12):
FWIW flightview.com says the plane was flying from PHL to AUA

Last time I was down there the flight back to CLT canceled due to MTX and they had to put on an extra section the next day.

Quoting qualitydr (Reply 13):
Do you think this flight chose CLT because of AWE operations there?

Yes, it will be much easier to repair or swap out the aircraft there as well as a new crew and get the passengers on their way.


User currently offlinewinstonlegthigh From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (11 months 12 hours ago) and read 19324 times:

I went back and re-read this thread to see where any of this aforementioned drama was- search came up empty.

I sometimes get the feeling that there are people who hang around waiting for threads like this so that they can chide and dismiss anyone who has the nerve to speculate or (gasp) discuss it on a discussion board (isn't that the entire purpose of a website like this?). It wouldn't surprise me if these are the same people who chide and dismiss PAX that had the gall to tell journalists/reporters that they were frightened if some sort of in-flight incident took place on their plane.

[Edited 2013-05-25 15:12:55]


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User currently offlineAirKiwi From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (11 months 12 hours ago) and read 18917 times:

I was one of the controllers who worked this flight into Charlotte, from around ILM to Charlotte Approach. We were only told it was a fuel issue, and they wanted direct but didn't necessarily request equipment on the ground. Pilot didn't sound like there was a sense of urgency in his voice.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4256 posts, RR: 6
Reply 29, posted (11 months 9 hours ago) and read 15153 times:

Quoting AirKiwi (Reply 28):
I was one of the controllers who worked this flight into Charlotte, from around ILM to Charlotte Approach. We were only told it was a fuel issue, and they wanted direct but didn't necessarily request equipment on the ground. Pilot didn't sound like there was a sense of urgency in his voice.

Thanks for sharing that. Always good to get news from a direct source, which happens all too infrequently these days (here and in "the news" in general).


User currently offlineDTWSXM From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (11 months 6 hours ago) and read 11502 times:

Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 27):

I agree, except for the title, the post was very drama free, straight forward and informational. Since I didn't see this until 12+ hours after the opening post, the 'just squawked mayday' was not accurate. Otherwise and excellent post!   

Cheers!
Chris



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User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Quoting DTWSXM (Reply 30):
I agree, except for the title, the post was very drama free, straight forward and informational. Since I didn't see this until 12+ hours after the opening post, the 'just squawked mayday' was not accurate. Otherwise and excellent post!

It's much better to say 'May 25' than 'today'. Equally 'just declared mayday' means little without giving the time and date.


User currently offlinerobk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 18
Reply 32, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Quoting art (Reply 31):
It's much better to say 'May 25' than 'today'. Equally 'just declared mayday' means little without giving the time and date.

Silly argument imho. When I made the original post it had just happened, hence "just declared mayday". Anyone with sense would be able to see that a thread with 30+ replies is no longer going to be something that "just happened". Of course it is much easier to complain to mods about my choice of thread title rather than apply some common sense, but whatever.

(SA7700 no problem here with you changing to title to appease certain individuals).


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4845 posts, RR: 19
Reply 33, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 27):
I sometimes get the feeling that there are people who hang around waiting for threads like this so that they can chide and dismiss anyone who has the nerve to speculate or (gasp) discuss it on a discussion board (isn't that the entire purpose of a website like this?). It wouldn't surprise me if these are the same people who chide and dismiss PAX that had the gall to tell journalists/reporters that they were frightened if some sort of in-flight incident took place on their plane.

And these same people usually are the ones who know nothing about how aircraft operate or any kind knowledge of aircraft systems. If someone with the knowledge tries to comment, they are shot down. And to tell you the truth, I don't look at speculation the same way, it could just be an educated guess about what went wrong. And unless they are trying to portray that as fact I don't see anything wrong with it. But this is just the a.net way. It seems like people feel they get points for pointing out errors or things they personally don't like.



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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 18
Reply 34, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

I noticed they descended to FL220. Curious: if there's a potential fuel issue and you're out over the Atlantic, don't you want to maintain a nice high altitude so you have more options in the event the engines quit?

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 35, posted (10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

Is there any new information about this flight?

A person on another board claiming to be a passenger on this flight has hinted or suggested that the pilot was forced by management to accept this plane that he was concerned about.



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