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"Police Storm Commuter Plane On MIA Runway"  
User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1305 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15431 times:
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In the penalty box at MIA.

"Heavily armed police officers stormed a plane on a South Florida runway and took three people into custody after a suspicious package that did not make it on board raised concerns in Tallahassee."

Read more: http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/lo...plane-on-mia-runway/#ixzz2UMXB8EQs


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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15401 times:

I wasn't aware that American police are fielding the AK-47...   


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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2352 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15308 times:

Where is Lauren Stover and the Airport 24/7 crew when you need them?


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User currently offlinedtwlax From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14760 times:

I don't get it. The checked bag did not make it on the plane because it raised an alarm.
Why did the authorities wait for the plane to leave Tallahassee and reach Miami to arrest the owner?
Why did they not get him off the plane at Tallahassee?


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2055 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14619 times:

I knew I should have stayed in Miami just one more day!


Go coogs! \n//
User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14411 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 2):
Where is Lauren Stover and the Airport 24/7 crew when you need them?

Filming, no doubt, and congratulating themselves for another well-planned season finale.



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User currently offlinetrav110 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14314 times:

Quoting dtwlax (Reply 3):
Why did the authorities wait for the plane to leave Tallahassee and reach Miami to arrest the owner?

That's a good question. If the plane landed safely in Miami without the package why was it necessary to storm the plane? It would seem like the passengers were pretty much out of danger at that point. But then the article goes on to mention suspicions of a "suspicious package" on board amongst the passengers once it was in Miami. What the hell is going on- Why wasn't that caught in Tallahassee? Why didn't they just arrest them at the gate instead of swarming a 40 passenger plane?

This is a terribly vague article that creates more questions than it answers.

[Edited 2013-05-26 00:56:23]

[Edited 2013-05-26 01:01:18]

User currently offlineopethfan From Canada, joined Dec 2012, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14123 times:

Quoting trav110 (Reply 6):
Why wasn't that caught in Tallahassee? Why didn't they just arrest them at the gate instead of swarming a 40 passenger plane?

This is a very valid and significant question - a small, regional jet that doesn't have the 'suspicious' package on board and has already landed at its destination, being raided by SWAT with (more likely) MP5s which have every potential of making a situation very ugly indeed.

If anything was up at that stage in the game, it's better to do something lower-key at the gate rather than put people's lives at risk for what did not apparently seem like an immediate issue?

It's definitely something I would like explained and not just kept quiet for the sake of "security".


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9377 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 14046 times:

So these people have been scared and endangered by a SWAT team wielding weapons in their faces. treated like suspects although completely innocent and not knowing what was going on and why this happened and they "thank the police" after 1 1/2 hour of their time was stolen? No explanation given?

What did they thank them for?



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5822 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 14035 times:

Quoting opethfan (Reply 7):
This is a very valid and significant question - a small, regional jet that doesn't have the 'suspicious' package on board and has already landed at its destination, being raided by SWAT with (more likely) MP5s which have every potential of making a situation very ugly indeed.

If anything was up at that stage in the game, it's better to do something lower-key at the gate rather than put people's lives at risk for what did not apparently seem like an immediate issue?

It's definitely something I would like explained and not just kept quiet for the sake of "security".

Our security organizations, namely the TSA and DHS, don't do "subtle". Everybody wants their fifteen minutes, and these guys most of all.
Why wait until everyone is safely on the plane, when you could instead make huge headlines and "save the day" or something.
 


User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13721 times:

There could really be a story here that justifies scenes like when federal agents pointed automatic weapons at Elian Gonzalez but I'm not holding my breath. To bad no one on that flight had Google glass to record it . . . yet. DHS would be cringing at the video endlessly looped on the 24 hour news channels.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 9):
Our security organizations, namely the TSA and DHS, don't do "subtle". Everybody wants their fifteen minutes, and these guys most of all.

Unfortunately there is something to this. TSA and DHS are in desperate need of a major event where they save the day under the blitz of media cameras. Twenty years ago that was exactly why ATF invited the media along to watch them take down the Branch Davidian complex in Waco. They responded with overkill to a crime that could have been handled with less drama and tragically it left 4 agents dead. It got worse from there but most people know that part of that story. I don't think reasonable sane people would wish this on DHS but they indeed do things over the top. Like DHS swarming a private Cirrus SR22 at Iowa City airport May 5th along with local cops and a drug dog urging the long haired hippie type arriving from Colorado with his husband to confess where they had pot hidden on the aircraft. Several hours later after ransacking the plane and their belongings nothing was found. I guess an Orthodox Jewish investment banker and his husband look like stoners to DHS. That was their second encounter with DHS on that trip btw.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9377 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13534 times:

The comparison with Waco, which I happened to watch on my hotel room TV in Atlanta does not apply. While in Waco a group belonging to a sect was raided, the passengers in an aircraft are a randomly assembled group of people, most of them having no connection whatsoever.

How can a government agency endanger the lives of 40 odd people by conducting such an action described in the quoted article? Apparantly they knew the people they were looking for. Why should random passengers who have nothing to do with the poetinal "accused of whatever" even be questioned and be kept in custody for anything longer than it takes to check their identity? Which is a minute, not moe.



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12953 times:

What I don't get is if there was a suspicious package on board the plane, why didn't they evacuate the passengers. You know, in case the thing did explode at some point? Then you have 40 dead pax...that's not good.


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User currently offlinesandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12502 times:
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Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 12):

What I don't get is if there was a suspicious package on board the plane, why didn't they evacuate the passengers. You know, in case the thing did explode at some point? Then you have 40 dead pax...that's not good.

Please read the thread and article. The package wasn't loaded onto the flight.

Sandyb123



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6437 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12239 times:

The part that caught me was:

Velazquez, who was traveling with 18 family members, was one of 40 passengers on the commuter flight

Half the plane was one family???!!!!  
Sheesh!

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 2):
Where is Lauren Stover and the Airport 24/7 crew when you need them?

Where does this show air?



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6656 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11872 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
So these people have been scared and endangered by a SWAT team wielding weapons in their faces. treated like suspects although completely innocent and not knowing what was going on and why this happened and they "thank the police" after 1 1/2 hour of their time was stolen? No explanation given?

What did they thank them for?

They thanked them for the money they'll make in the following suit 



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User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1305 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11740 times:
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Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 14):
Where does this show air?
http://www.travelchannel.com/tv-shows/airport-24-7-miami



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9377 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10685 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 15):
They thanked them for the money they'll make in the following suit

Logic explanation.  

But really, from my experience with (former) busines partners in the US I know that they have their pants full when they even hear the word DHS.

Actually, I am no longer interested in doing business with the USA because of these issues. I just last week gave the boot to someone I was dealing with for 30 years. Too complicated and risky dealing with a country that has erased common sense from their day to day dealings.



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User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9092 times:

Unless I missed something, the article says that:
The package was not loaded
It was "Suspicious."
The contents of the package are "unknown"
Nobody was charged (yet)

Really glad to hear nobody was charged, since according to the article no crime was committed!!! However, I suspect there if far more (or less) to the actual situation.

I would think that the short flight time would play a part in the scenario. They may still have been investigating the package at the time the plane landed. Without knowing the facts, I certainly can't pass judgment on whether this was an overreaction on the part of the police.


User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8982 times:

PanHAM the Waco reference I made was on how the seige began instead of how it ended 60 odd days later. I may not have been as clear about that as I could have been. Sorry if it that was off topic but as AA737-823 pointed out Federal agencies aren't subtle and want to look like they saved the day. Someone easily could have been seriously injured or killed in this incident by an accidental weapon discharge. It's a tight space and all that had to happen was one of them tripping.

I'm sorry to hear you are having to complicated a time conducting business with our country to continue. I can't say I blame you though. We really are cutting off our nose to spite our face  


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8931 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 17):
Too complicated and risky dealing with a country that has erased common sense from their day to day dealings.

I wish more of my countrymen would realize this. We seem to be willing to do anything the government wants anymore, with no logical thought processes or explanation. The lessons learned in your country, and others, over th last 80 years seem lost. Aviation became the testing place for idiocy tolerance. Seems the tolerance is pretty high.

Excellent questions posed above, as to why this had to be handled in "Storm Trooper" mode.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlinemd80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8278 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
So these people have been scared and endangered by a SWAT team wielding weapons in their faces. treated like suspects although completely innocent and not knowing what was going on and why this happened and they "thank the police" after 1 1/2 hour of their time was stolen? No explanation given?

What did they thank them for?

Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome, very common in modern day America.


User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7285 times:

I too wonder why people who would cause a plane to be raided like this would even be allowed to leave TLH. Probably headlines.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 14):
The part that caught me was:

Velazquez, who was traveling with 18 family members, was one of 40 passengers on the commuter flight

Half the plane was one family???!!!!  
Sheesh!

You obviously are not very well versed about Latin people in South Florida. 19 is a very small family  



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13114 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7115 times:

Quoting copter808 (Reply 18):
I would think that the short flight time would play a part in the scenario. They may still have been investigating the package at the time the plane landed. Without knowing the facts, I certainly can't pass judgment on whether this was an overreaction on the part of the police

I hope there is an investigation and public as best as possible disclosure as to why the heavy security forces actions, but the quoted scenario makes the most sense. I would also note that apparently someone at TSA failed to do their job so this may be a butt covering for that failure.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 13):
Please read the thread and article. The package wasn't loaded onto the flight.

I did read the article. My post came from this: "Word of a possible suspicious package ON BOARD spread through the cabin of the small jet. "We asked the stewardess what was happening, and she said she thought there might be a device on our plane," said Velazquez."

Despite the fact that officials said this: "Officials said a checked bag alarmed during screening at the Tallahassee Airport Saturday morning, which didn't make the flight, caused the big concern on the tarmac at MIA."

The two statements conflict. If that is what the stewardess said, then they could very well have been looking for more, which is what lead to my post.



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25 trav110 : The way this information is included is the article is just perplexing. The entire article leads up to them raiding the plane for an unknown reason,
26 brilondon : I agree, the days of me doing business with Americans is over, I only have clients in England, Korea and Canada. Yes I know where I live, but all my
27 Post contains images winstonlegthigh : The article mentions they had just touched down. Everyone knows that portable electronics are strictly prohibited until an announcement is made sayin
28 eksath : Paragraph # 1: "Heavily armed police officers stormed a plane on a South Florida runway and took three people into custody after a suspicious package
29 PanHAM : When at war, the best tactical decision would be to stop commercial flights altogether. We are, however not at war. Not in Europe and not in North Am
30 eksath : The term "tactical" is not reserved for war situations. It is also appropriate when one is dealing with such things as SWAT operations or anti hijack
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