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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4466 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11712 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LIII
“Massive operational changes in Central America”

In the middle of May 2013, Avianca suddenly dropped most of the flights operated by the former LACSA Líneas Aereas Costarricenses at SJO who was operating as part of GRUPO TACA, of course.
This situation deserves all the attention on this board and we’re carefully studying all the possible impacts in the future.
The confirmed withdrawals have been classified as follows:

Effective from May 17th:
TA/LR SJO-LAX; 3x weekly
TA/LR SJO-HAV; 2x weekly
TA/LR SJO-JFK; 4x weekly
TA/LR SJO-UIO-GYE-SJO; 7x weekly
TA/LR SJO-MTY; 3x weekly
TA/LR SJO-PTY; 7x weekly
TA/LR SJO-PTY-MDE


Effective from June 16th:
TA/LR [SJO-LIM] 13x to 7x weekly
TA [SAL-TGU-MIA] 7x weekly
TA [SJO-GUA] 14x to 7x weekly

Authorities of the airline are promoting a big announcement on May 28th.

Welcome to the new installment on the Cent Am aviation series!


Edited on May 27th, 2013


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11656 times:

May 28, the airline is dead; long live the airline.

Today I got a LifeMiles email promoting Costa Rica like crazy... guess they are trying to do some crowd control.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11585 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
TA/LR [SJO-LIM] 13x to 7x weekly

I don't think AV will drop SJO-LIM completely as LIM is still an AV hub.
If AV is smart, it'd be using LR and TA flight designators (and registered aircraft) to make use of Costa Rica and El Salvador bilateral with the countries where AV is currently facing problems increasing frequencies like Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11583 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 1):
Today I got a LifeMiles email promoting Costa Rica like crazy... guess they are trying to do some crowd control.

Well they have to at lease pretend like their are interested to the ICT.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4757 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11535 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 1):
May 28, the airline is dead; long live the airline.

  

Though I was expecting to see all flights showing up as AV in Amadeus... they're still bookable as TA / LR.



What do I know, I'm just an 'immature troublemaker with only a passing interest in aviation' (or so they say)
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11524 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 4):
Though I was expecting to see all flights showing up as AV in Amadeus... they're still bookable as TA / LR.

Today is the announcement. Maybe tomorrow things will change.

Taca official twitter account and facebook account are gone
https://twitter.com/taca_com
https://www.facebook.com/tacaairlines

Juanchito

[Edited 2013-05-28 08:03:54]

[Edited 2013-05-28 08:04:44]


Chapin de corazon.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11496 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 5):
Taca official twitter account and facebook account are gone

Aviation's not an easy business, even in an small region like Central America, some airline-owners/managers do things one way, other another that will seal their airlines future.
I was never a big fan of TACA El Salvador (and grupo TACA) or LACSA Costa Rica, but I did admire how Salvadorean TACA kept flying almost undisturbed while El Salvador (the country) was going throughout some tough times.
I'm not going to celebrate this date, albeit with some nostalgia I'll have in the future, I'm not going to mourn TACA "passing away" either.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11466 times:

Live feed for the new Avianca

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faYsHbfZl9Y&feature=youtu.be

juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11417 times:

Seems like AV and AM are offering $399 fares SAP SAL/MEX CUN fares now. Used to be $700 +. It's amazing what a little competition from a little Belizean Airline can do. Tropic allows you to so it SAP BZE CUN


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4466 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11329 times:

I just watched on TV local news that authorities of Costa Rica travelled to Bogota, Colombia trying to find an explanation about the sudden demise of the mentioned routes out of SJO.
The information states that the Government of Costa Rica is seeking for a foreign carrier who wants to operate the [SJO-JFK] sector. There's no need for a drama due to the seasonal service on AA JFK-SJO, among other possibilities.




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Quoting aer (Reply 1):
May 28, the airline is dead





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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
I don't think AV will drop SJO-LIM completely as LIM is still an AV hub.

Same thoughts.
The former TA/LR [SJO-LIM-SCL] 7x weekly will remain after June 16th.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
If AV is smart, it'd be using LR and TA flight designators (and registered aircraft) to make use of Costa Rica and El Salvador bilateral with the countries where AV is currently facing problems increasing frequencies like Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil.

Based on what I've read in the older thread, SJO-CCS and SJO-BOG-BSB won't be disturbed at all.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):
It's amazing what a little competition from a little Belizean Airline can do

PM has the credit for the launch of both [SAP-BZE] and [CUN-BZE].
And [BZE-RTB] is coming in November...


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11295 times:

what is AV doing with the "spare" aircraft from SJO? are they moving them to BOG / LIM ??


On the run !!!
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11229 times:

I say we dedicate the next thread to the "old" TA. The TA of Frederico Bloch.

Say what we want for the Parrot Cartel, they served our countries well. Always getting new aircraft. TA single handedly built Belize's tourism as I am sure it did with other countries.

RIP El Loro!

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 9):
PM has the credit for the launch of both [SAP-BZE] and [CUN-BZE].
And [BZE-RTB] is coming in November...

FRS has been been served for many years.....and traffic is now also connecting SAP/CUN-BZE-FRS



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11227 times:

I just booked my first 788 flight. UA IAH-ORD.....in business class......I'm excited!


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11194 times:

PTY connecting traffic up 26% from last year from www.prensa.com in Spanish
PTY airport in-transit passengers increased 26% between January and April when compared to same period last year.
It's expected that by years end, PTY will be handling 7.5million passengers.
7.5million passengers its an astonishing figure for an airport in this region,



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11177 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
FRS has been been served for many years.

The only flight that keeps FRS international.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
I just booked my first 788 flight. UA IAH-ORD.....in business class......I'm excited!

Nice, I had the same return flight back in March but they got grounded... Let us know how it is.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11132 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 3):
Quoting aer (Reply 1):
Today I got a LifeMiles email promoting Costa Rica like crazy

Well they have to at lease pretend like their are interested to the ICT

Suddenly roundtrip travel from anywhere in CentAm to LIR only sets you back 10K LifeMiles.

Quoting juanchito (Reply 7):
the new Avianca

It might be just me but their new logo does look startlingly similar to the new AA mark entitled the Flight Symbol.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
I say we dedicate the next thread to the "old" TA. The TA of Frederico Bloch

Always been intrigued by the mysterious circumstances surrounding his tragic death. As most of you recall, he was shot dead in his car outside San Salvador.

Salvadoran police quickly arrested and charged two 16–year–old members of the Mara Salvatrucha with whom Bloch was said to have had some sort of friendship and then eventually a personal quarrel.

Made me wonder ever since how a top airline executive, who must have had a security detail, came to know two youth gang members.

[Edited 2013-05-29 11:29:09]


Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Tropic Air has changed their IATA designator and now appear as 9N. They are also now available and selling tickets on GDSs (Amadeus, Galileo, Apollo, Worldspan, Sabre, Sirena, Abacus).

Have you guys seen this article


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10958 times:

A.net has been acting screwy for me today (made me look like an amateur above)....I was trying to post the article in the WSJ about CM (so just google it) following...note the last sentence about LH and PTY. I still maintain that over the next 24 months, LH will get closer to CM and AV will bolt for Skyteam.


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10916 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):
I was trying to post the article in the WSJ about CM (so just google it) following...note the last sentence about LH and PTY.

Content is only accessible to wsj.com subscribers anyway, so perhaps you can post an excerpt within the fair use exception to copyright law.



Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10813 times:

LH to PTY is a question of when, regardless of LH in BOG and KL AMS-PTY.
Would LH make it a thrice weekly - to start - MUC-PTY not to bother its FRA-BOG is also questionable.
LH @ MUC may not be the same as LH @ FRA but LH may find it easier to get slots @ MUC than FRA for a PTY flight.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10796 times:

LH will have to fly from FRA not MUC to make the flight work. Just like BA, I am sure LH can find a slot if they want to badly enough. Would need to be minimum 4Xweek to start to appeal to business travellers...maybe a MWFSat


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10756 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
Would LH make it a thrice weekly - to start - MUC-PTY not to bother its FRA-BOG is also questionable.

I don't think LH's FRA-BOG service would be affected at all by a supposed new PTY service. FRA-BOG does carry an amount of connecting passengers but it also served the large Bogotá and Colombia markets, which have extensive business ties with Germany and transfer traffic to Asia is steadily growing.

PTY would be mostly for connections to other countries and tourism, and they can easily coexist. Just as CCS-FRA and BOG-FRA coexist perfectly. I remember myself hearing rumors that CCS would be axed in favor of BOG. Never happened.



Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10711 times:

FRA-PTY would be an ideal 788 route....If LH had ordered them


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4466 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10636 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
my first 788 flight. UA IAH-ORD

  




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
Tropic Air has changed their IATA designator and now appear as 9N

Farewell PM !




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
LH @ MUC may not be the same as LH @ FRA but LH may find it easier to get slots @ MUC than FRA for a PTY flight.

I concur that LH is closer to PTY and covered by the Star Alliance banner.
LH at PTY will only experience service to either Frankfurt or Munich. My vote is for LH PTY-FRA.
Even Mexico City reversed their intended plans for any LH MUC-MEX. Only LH FRA-MEX 7x weekly is still active.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4466 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10576 times:

Other sources on the web aren't currently referring to TACA which commercially is not longer in service since May 28th. Avianca Central America is a new designation.
I expect the unification of taca.com into avianca.com in the near future.
All “TA” and “LR” flight codes will be gradually switched to the “AV” designator towards the 3rd quarter of this year.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
25 viaggiare : Is that a legal or dba (nombre de fantasía) name? Does it apply to what once came to be known as Taca Regional or to something else?
26 Post contains images carmenlu15 : Hopefully they'll rebrand the current taca.com... the current avianca.com has been a PITA the few times I've tried to use it. They'd better start vis
27 yellowtail : already did. these days the sales teams are tied up in Honduras and Guate I believe. I agree. Its horrible.
28 yellowtail : AA just wielded the hatchet on many Central American routes.....MGA, PTY, SAL, BZE etc etc.... maybe a rationalisation in prep for the merger consumma
29 aer : Out of FRS, LAX, ORD, MIA, SAL, SAP, TGU, SJO I'm guessing ORD (though they only serve it through GUA) and MIA (may be), LAX is their only strong hol
30 juanchito : Wow 3 daily flight to Atlanta, I think this is only for peak season I have heard from Airport rumors that the ORD and LAX flight will change schedule,
31 yellowtail : If they were to cut I would say they would move ORD to SAL and then trim MIA. IMHO Demand for MIA from all of latin america has leveled off. MIA is b
32 aer : ORD was tried through SAL a while back and failed, that's why they kept it going through GUA. MIA is already just using a E190 and not daily; guess A
33 juanchito : United flight from Houston to Guatemala will also increase, they usually have 3 daily on december. Juanchito
34 Mah4546 : What on earth are you talking about? Did you mean to say "AA just loaded their normal Central America flying reductions - pretty much in line with wh
35 Post contains images carmenlu15 : But there are still passengers who go out of their way to fly TA AV for the baggage allowance, even if it's a bit more expensive than AA. Not that th
36 avi8 : So for the winter season we are seeing DL go to 3 daily at GUA, UA to 4 daily at GUA? That's a ton of additional capacity. That's great!
37 SJOtoLIR : Nothing official yet !
38 yellowtail : Someone is still mad for DL proving them wrong... No...I meant what i said....its deeper than last year....more aggressive..starts earlier, ends late
39 SJOtoLIR : Even UA EWR-GUA 2x weekly?
40 aer : GUA-EWR is still 1x weekly but usually full. The new flights are just extra Saturday flights for a while from IAH and ATL according to Amadeus.
41 Post contains links viasa : I know... Venezuela is not Central America... but unfortunately there is not such thread about South America. INAC (National Institute of Civil Aviati
42 2travel2know2 : Avior's capacity increase will be welcome by the Venezuela - Panama O/D traffic, even if to/from BLA. Wish CM could start PTY - PZO and P5 BOG (or MD
43 Post contains images carmenlu15 : Now that it seems the forum has finally been unbroken ... Any reason why CM timed the PTY-SXM departure to match only the South American flight bank a
44 yellowtail : There are worse things in life than a night in PTY. Casca Vieja baby!
45 Post contains images juanchito : First picture of Avianca first ATR72-600 Juanchito
46 Post contains images carmenlu15 : I'm not saying it's bad, but it does add a bit to the expense
47 aer : They're going to Colombia then?
48 SJOtoLIR : Based on the bilateral agreement between Panama and Venezuela: 9V BLA-PTY 4x weekly with 732 VNE [MAR-PTY] 4x weekly with 732 S3 CCS-PTY 7x weekly wi
49 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The press release in Spanish states that AV is acquiring 15 ATR 72-600 and heading to both Colombia and Central America. http://www.aviacol.net/notic
50 Post contains links viaggiare : Taking a lot of heat now in their LifeMiles facebook page for recent changes to the redemption tables, which according to one user has "cumulatively
51 viaggiare : Here's two more.. "Debiera darles verguenza hacer el cambio sin avisar y luego actuar como si no la hubieran embarrado. Acepten el error, que actuaron
52 2travel2know2 : I think GUA, MGA and SJO shouldn't worry, after AV really downgrades SJO, we could bet CM will add earlier departures from those airports to PTY in o
53 Post contains images carmenlu15 : There's already a 0518h one, it's quite popular with business travelers (at least according to my personal observations ). But a 0400h departure woul
54 2travel2know2 : If the market for GUA-SXM (or SJO/MGA-SXM) is there then a PTY 0615h arrival is a must. For GUA-SDQ/PUJ there are other time to connect everyday day.
55 Post contains links viaggiare : According to La Nación three top Costa Rican government officials were assured at AV headquarters in Bogotá earlier today that "no habrá cancelacio
56 yellowtail : That is like saying I just got a physical exam and I am good to go. Its is good for the next 5 minutes!
57 viaggiare : All about making sure they avoid being fined by the DGAC while negotiating an additional concession or two.. Villegas et al. couldn't care less what
58 SJOtoLIR : Panama is one hour forward compared with the remaining part of Central America. First flights on Copa Airlines from both Guatemala and Costa Rica: CM
59 carmenlu15 : Which is why I'd think a later departure to SXM would have been a better idea... but I guess the demand is more significant from South America.
60 2travel2know2 : And SXM isn't that big of an airport, if CM has a later departure it may not find an acceptable position for the aircraft.
61 yellowtail : I would think the demand to SXM from GUA and SJO is negligible. If CM wanted an afternoon arrival spot...i am sure the SXM people would it.
62 2travel2know2 : There could be European tourists on SXM with longer stays on the island who would want to visit something other than a beach be rainforest, Spanish C
63 yellowtail : And when they saw the price of a ticket SXM-PTY-GUA...they would probably cry!
64 Post contains images carmenlu15 : Or in other words, the answer to my question: is yes.
65 Post contains images yellowtail : Well I would too but BZE-PTY-SXM was not part of the hypothetical....CM don't fly here anyway
66 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : Testimony of stranded passengers on TA/LR [SJO-UIO-GYE-SJO] which is no longer in service: http://www.nacion.com/2013-06-07/Por...s-vuelo-que-suspendi
67 yellowtail : Next step daily service. Were they not running the 738 at one time? Not a good sign if the route is aimed at S. Americans and that is the busiest tim
68 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-SXM is now ranked among the weakest routes on CM, in terms of capacity: CM PTY-SXM; 2x weekly CM PTY-LIR; 2x weekly . The South American trave
69 2travel2know2 : Comparing SXM to HAV is like comparing apples to oranges.. HAV isn't a full leisure destination. If CM flew to VRA in Cuba - which I wonder why it ha
70 SJOtoLIR : Operations of AV/TA at SJO: SJO-CCS; 7x weekly SJO-BOG; 14x weekly. Tag-on [BOG-BSB] 4x weekly SJO-LIM-SCL; 7x weekly SJO-GUA-LAX; 7x weekly SJO-MIA;
71 yellowtail : no sjo-pty?
72 2travel2know2 : No AV SJO-PTY, not even that former early morning PTY-SJO, evening SJO-PTY made famous by Salvadorean TACA. And a possible SJO-PTY PTY arrival 2200h,
73 avi8 : Only 13 daily departures from AV at SJO. Wow, GUA is about 1-2 departures behind
74 yellowtail : I did that lechero BZE-SAL-SJO-PTY too many times to remember. Used to party all night in PTY got back to the hotel take a shower and head straight t
75 SJOtoLIR : The demise of TA/LR SJO-PTY 14x weekly was a big surprise to everyone here. In my view, the huge competence supplied by CM/P5 [PTY-SJO] 40x weekly inf
76 2travel2know2 : That might be partly true, but what's a big surprise here in PTY is that regardless of CM/P5 huge offer on PTY-SJO, AV inherited a very popular PTY-S
77 2travel2know2 : Panama national Football team is flying charter PTY-SEA today, wonder if it's on a CM B737-700. If carrying less than 100 passengers, the B737-700 may
78 SJOtoLIR : Probably the rest of their seats are loaded with authorities and fans. This is the way these charter flights operate in Costa Rica. Regards.
79 Post contains images copa330200 : Go Panama Go !!! by the way, does anybody know how the Mexico nacional football team got to Panama and how/when they left ?
80 2travel2know2 : From Jamaica it was reported Mexico arrived on the island via Houston, which mean they flew UA MEX-IAH-MBJ and took a bus from MBJ to Kingston. Their
81 Post contains links copa330200 : as per the news below, the National soccer team left PTY at 21:30 arriving in Seatle at 5:30 local (7:30 Panama) after a fuel stop in Cancun http://w
82 2travel2know2 : PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) SEA (47°27'00"N 122°18'42"W) 324.5° (NW) 3643 mi 2 segment path: 3648 mi (+0.1%) PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) CUN (21
83 yellowtail : Or fly AA MEX-MIA-KIN Fuel is cheaper in CUN....
84 Post contains links viaggiare : CM9000 PTY–CUN–SEA. B737-800. Make that 04:44 local (06:44 Panamá). I am hoping for a stunner that'll boost their chances of qualifying.. good t
85 copa330200 : thanks !!! any idea what happens with the aircraft; will it wait to bring the team back or CM flies it back to LAX or any other city to keep it movin
86 viaggiare : LR8644 SJO–MEX nonstop, expected to arrive just past midnight this evening.. a group of local fans joined the players, coaching staff and federatio
87 yellowtail : in the IOAG thread. UA showing BZE some love! Finally got EWR above 1Xweek
88 luisde8cd : The Mexican team arrived to PTY from Jamaica in a chartered Interjet A320. In telemetro.com they even showed a pic of the A320 parked in PTY. Regards,
89 avi8 : UA showing some love to GUA as well! UNITED during Christmas/New Year season 2013/14, is increasing operations on a number of routes to Mexico, Centra
90 SJOtoLIR : The National soccer team of Honduras probably left Costa Rica on CM SJO-TGU. They arrived at TGU at noon on June 08th. . For the case of Costa Rica, s
91 juanchito : New schedule for Avianca (Taca) flight from GUA-LAX-GUA. Flight will continue to SAL and not SJO. LR640 08:17 GUA - 11:32 LAX LR641 13:05 LAX - 19:45
92 Post contains links and images juanchito : Alternate project for a new airport in Guatemala City http://www.muniguate.com/images/2013/user01/3005/new_airport.pdf Juanchito
93 avi8 : Obviously there were other adjustments in the schedule to make this work. Could you please explain these changes? So is this where the loss of the SJO
94 juanchito : I just double check and flight will continue to SJO LR641 20:25 GUA - 22:00 SJO LR640 06:01 SJO - 07:37 GUA Juanchito
95 Post contains links and images carmenlu15 : Wait, what? Don't tell me they're getting rid of the morning GUA-SJO and evening SJO-GUA flights... BTW, new schedule starts on 01SEP.
96 aer : Someone should tell Mayor Arzú as we say... rolela!
97 AA767LOVER : Forget the idea of a new airport for GUA. Why? Most times I go there, the terminal is always empty. I've never seen it full to capacity. The new termi
98 2travel2know2 : Most likely Tico Travel Agencies / Operators are marketing the leisure side of Jamaica too.
99 aer : Again, it's the mayor and his team not wanting to share the good stuff. It's ludicrous and the companies that expressed interest have no idea on airp
100 juanchito : I think it is an idea that have to be studied. Moving the airport to Escuintla (southern coast) that will be 75 Kilometers (Between Escuintla and Pue
101 aer : Ok but what do you do about terrain, I mean zona 25 isn't exactly flat and terraforming is very expensive.
102 juanchito : Well they will have to flatten the ground it will be more expensive of course. Juanchito[Edited 2013-06-11 14:40:52]
103 SJOtoLIR : Perhaps the new timetable on TA/LR [SJO-GUA-LAX] would match the current allocation of both DL GUA-LAX and DL SJO-LAX. I prefer the current schedule
104 Post contains images copa330200 : the last news is that the project is on track to be completed by current Martinelli by early next year , they were working on the new terminal and th
105 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Nature Air is featuring the nice Deportivo Saprissa color-scheme in one of their De Havilland DHC Twin Otter-300, who's the most popular soccer team i
106 2travel2know2 : There aren't that many airlines in Central America so to sponsor with a livery any sport club at all. The group developing BLB Howard is into real-es
107 Post contains links viaggiare : Time to stop favoring a Colombian–Salvadoran airline with protectionist habits from the LACSA years.. Costa Rica needs to seriously consider openin
108 SJOtoLIR : The local TV news are reportedly announcing that the national soccer team of Panama will arrive at SJO on Monday 17th around midday. I presume CM PTY-
109 yellowtail : Mexico is in final negotiations with Belize on a new sir service agreement. It will see full 5th freedom rights granted to Mexican carriers.
110 2travel2know2 : And the chances of getting Interjet MEX-BZE-MIA are:? Ties between Mexico and Jamaica aren't that strong but a BZE stop could help a MEX-KIN service
111 yellowtail : Now there's an idea! MEX-BZE-POS with full traffic rights.
112 Post contains images andrefranca : RIP taca! I had the chance to fly it before its demise! it will be missed! even my friend Borkman from SAL didn't fly taca, tooo late now! My dear ce
113 yellowtail : Yes, they have to. Saturdays and Sundays are mad house in the departure Area. I believe they will start construction on two new gates in January. Add
114 2travel2know2 : Isn't that a hint from U.S.A. that BZE should get its own U.S. Port of Entry like NAS or AUA? Just visited NAS for the 1st time and non-U.S. departur
115 aer : I've never gotten how the US can demand something that they're not willing to do. And that's the reason for my signature hehe
116 yellowtail : I believe not only do you have to pay the USA fees to do pre clearance but you also have to have minimum traffic levels....500K I believe. its "diplo
117 viaggiare : C'mon strip away the euphemisms and call it what it is: imperialism.
118 2travel2know2 : And how far is BZE from reaching 500K U.S. bound passengers?
119 yellowtail : 200K to go!
120 Post contains images yellowtail : Here is the midday "bank" at BZE last Saturday.
121 Post contains links and images copa330200 : as per today's Prensa AF will start 3 weekly CDG-PTY later this year http://www.prensa.com/impreso/economia/vuelo-directo-paris/186169 this is a surpr
122 yellowtail : Beating LH to PTY. Nice move AF. So PTY will have IB, KL and AF. Only BA and LH of the majors remain.
123 2travel2know2 : From Europe, shouldn't you add ever expanding Star Alliance TK to that list? Don't see Star Alliance TP studying possible PTY service. I'd have thoug
124 viaggiare : Interesting turn of events.. "Los acercamientos entre Panamá y Air France comenzaron hace tres años, y en un inicio se manejaba la posibilidad que
125 viaggiare : AFAIK vuelo directo means through flight (single flight from origin to destination with one or more intermediate stops) — as opposed to vuelo sin es
126 yellowtail : That would be dead in the water. Better shot at making it work CDG-SJO-PTY-CDG, but in the face on n/s KL and IB....a shared flight will be tough for
127 2travel2know2 : Sure it was more likely that AF saw how much of KL PTY traffic (O/D or CM hub) was French and thought it was due time for the CDG-PTY. BA/VS don't ha
128 yellowtail : Well BA can get those....what they can't get is the more important yield numbers and cargo numbers. Those two are what separate successful flight fro
129 Post contains images copa330200 : I bet CM will have similar traffic agreement with AF as the one they have with KL it will be interesting to know the flight shedule (likely to arrive
130 Post contains images carmenlu15 : Great news for Panama! Airlines, Y U NO send more longhaul flights to GUA? According to an email I just received from the local AF representation, fli
131 SJOtoLIR : Smart move for Air France ! . It's completely unappealing regarding the dedicated flights on KL AMS-PTY and IB MAD-PTY. . AF CDG-SJO 7x weekly was ru
132 Post contains links copa330200 : Panama will pay AF $4.5MM over 3 years to support the start of the direct CDG - PTY as per today's Prensa. Also, it says that 5.678 french citizens vi
133 yellowtail : Bust out the checkbook Shamah! Thats an expensive addition to the PTY lineup.
134 2travel2know2 : I understand some promotion-related expenses from AF part for the new route, but if sales really take off and if the empty seats numbers are negligib
135 yellowtail : If I read the article correctly it is a subsidy not a revenue guarantee..which are two entirely different things to airlines. or is that some reporte
136 SJOtoLIR : The new AF CDG-PTY 3x weekly complementing KL AMS-PTY 7x weekly might block the intended incursion of LH in Panama City later. It's interesting how CM
137 aer : You said it. Guess they might check SAL now.
138 SJOtoLIR : Interesting ! LH heading to another Star Alliance hub in Central America. LH FRA-BOG already sustains code-share agreements with AV at BOG and perhap
139 juanchito : There is an extra on saturday flight bookable in Delta page from LAX-GUA-LAX Flight will be operated with 757-200 Delta 355 LAX 10:30 am - GUA 5:05 pm
140 yellowtail : Plus a SJO-JFK And a Sat only LIR-LAX. Delta starting to grow into C. America now. So far Over the past few months we have seen (announced) Extra ATL
141 2travel2know2 : DL JFK-PTY and LAX-PTY would face strong CM competition. DL DTW-PTY and/pr MSP-PTY may seem more reasonable, even if perhaps not good for daily servi
142 SJOtoLIR : Effective: November 02nd. . DL SJO-JFK 7x weekly is due to begin on December 19th. The seasonal AA JFK-SJO 7x weekly will be resumed on November 22nd
143 Post contains images yellowtail : I can't speak for the rest but LAX BZE is due to be year round. Today I got my first 788 flight + an extra 35 min of circling due to storms at ORD .
144 aer : Is UA's GUA-IAD getting axed?
145 carmenlu15 : Seasonal reduction, methinks... It seems to be operating until August 24, then it's back from December 21 onwards.
146 avi8 : Sad to hear this. The route was supposed to be year round and I thought the flight was doing well. I guess maybe the timings are off? (Which I doubt s
147 yellowtail : IAD-GUA is going seasonal. My info suggests that at least that is the plan right now anyway.
148 Post contains images yellowtail : AV in BZE yesterday....first time the AV c/s has appeared in the ground there that i know of
149 SJOtoLIR : Agreed. However, the equipment on DL LAX-BZE 1x weekly will shift from 738 to 320. . DL MSP-SJO 1x weekly. Effective: December 21 - March 29. Seasona
150 yellowtail : I am showing only 738s
151 Post contains links mt99 : Hey guys.. what do you think about this? "El proyecto de la aerolínea Vuelos Económicos Centroamericanos, S.A. (Veca) contará con el apoyo del grup
152 aer : I still think that the small Central American airlines (TAG, Tropic Air, Nature Air... don't know if I'm missing anyone else) should band together. T
153 andrefranca : "El Salvador necesita abrirse al mundo con oportunidades de vuelos económicos, a veces es más barato ir a España que volar a Costa Rica o Panamá.
154 mt99 : What makes you think that Veca (horrible name btw) is "fair" competition?
155 Post contains images carmenlu15 : Like selling electronic tickets through their website?
156 viaggiare : Which could go up to US$20M according to your source. In the words of one reader: "Me parece la tendencia, de que la izquierda esté incursionando en
157 mt99 : Ahh but see.. i don't see them a "entrepreneurs". Its about political power. This "airline" would have the interest of the Venezuelan government rath
158 2travel2know2 : Why do they need a brand new airline named VECA when most likely Conviasa V0 could use 5th freedom rights between quite a number of airports within C
159 mt99 : Because you see - Conviasa not "local"... and it cant claim to be "owned by the people" - and that is the appeal to the masses.[Edited 2013-06-27 11:
160 Post contains images viaggiare : Good thing traditional entrepeneurs aren't interested in amassing/leveraging anything other than profit. So what? Could it be any worse than being...
161 mt99 : So two wrongs make a right? I agree with you. Have past "entrepreneurs" done everything properly? No. Is allowing - or in this case - encouraging for
162 viaggiare : In retrospect, did the late TACA under Kriete (post–Bloch) ever fall within your definition of a shady enterprise?
163 aer : Lol, more like doing anything with their website.
164 mt99 : Sure. I thought i had made that clear: What was your point?
165 viaggiare : Just wanted to make sure I understood your conceptualization, that's all.
166 Post contains links and images copa330200 : sorry but if VECA = Conviasa it won't make difference to the people .. just to the guys running that "airline" who will milk the business while it la
167 mt99 : Congrats. Must feel good to finally break TACA's winning record of 3 (or is ti 4) years in a row? Then again TACA is no more...
168 Post contains images andrefranca : That's the why our lovely latin america will take ages to leave the dumps! LMFAO Because their gov is a mess and don't let anyone/anything work prope
169 mt99 : Sorry - that is just not true., This is true Lets hope that it never happens What makes you think that VECA would be any different?
170 SJOtoLIR : One more confirmed addition: DL JFK-LIR 1x weekly. Effective: December 21st; Saturdays only. At the same time, B6 JFK-LIR will operate on a daily bas
171 SJOtoLIR : Avianca has re-timed the San Jose - Miami flight as follows: LR 688......SJO 07:50.......MIA 12:40........Daily...........E90 LR 689......MIA 14:10...
172 2travel2know2 : Is that schedule that way because connections AV @ SJO? IMHO, if AV was looking to keep some loyal former LR/TA O/D passengers on that route, a SJO d
173 yellowtail : your suggestion would provide Horrible utilization. They wouldn't be able to get any higher prices, so might as well just go ahead and turn the aircr
174 2travel2know2 : Would have thought that since everything is AV now, that same aircraft could fly something like MIA-ADZ/CTG/BAQ-MIA and be back @ MIA to fly back to
175 SJOtoLIR : Speaking ironically: does AV actually provide connections at SJO? I think the new schedule consists to center the O&D market. After the 17:00, SJ
176 viaggiare : Weren't all non–AV designators being phased out? AA now owns that market. Following the demise of that shady enterprise formerly known as TACA, cle
177 yellowtail : Even that is probably on borrowed time. Law of diminishing returns..presumably as AV SJO based FFers move over to CM because of the fewer flight opti
178 carmenlu15 : Not yet (which makes it quite tricky to explain to the passenger why the itinerary still says TACA when all the publicity says it's supposed to be Av
179 2travel2know2 : My guess for AV SJO surviving routes are: SAL, MGA, BOG, CCS (can imagine how hard would it be for any AV airline to get new traffic rights from Vene
180 yellowtail : CM has been awfully quiet route announcement wise...they are long overdue.
181 SJOtoLIR : Avianca is opting again for the PTY-SJO sector. As a result, AV/LR [SJO-PTY] is 7x weekly, whereas AV/TA [SAL-PTY] is 14x weekly as shown: TA 316.....
182 carmenlu15 : No GUA? I'd think there's enough O/D traffic for at least one flight...
183 viaggiare : Expect one new destination —two at the most— added by year's end.
184 Post contains images copa330200 : the question is to where ??? my money goes to US new destination
185 yellowtail : I know TPA was very very high on the list and the TPA airport folks were making frequent trips to PTY
186 2travel2know2 : For SJO-GUA there's CM. Doesn't CM have a flight a similar hours? TPA could be one, but I wish BZE and AQP will the others.
187 SJOtoLIR : AV operates SJO-BOG-BSB thrice a week. The BOG-BSB sector will be discontinued on August 31st. Bad results for the experiments on both Brasilia and Mo
188 2travel2know2 : Proof of the power of CM @ PTY over AV @ BOG. Perhaps BSB, CNF and POA already could be able to support 1 to 3 extra weekly frequencies. AQP is Peru'
189 andrefranca : NO aviation expert here, still learning with you guys, but BSB may be my country's capital but I don't see it being serviced by that many internation
190 viaggiare : Tampa's been actively trying to lure CM for over two years.. even threw in a sweet incentive package consisting of landing fee waivers and advertising
191 2travel2know2 : For CM PTY-PVR will be like another PTY-LIR waiting to happen. I just can't see CM hub supporting anything more than twice or perhaps thrice weekly P
192 Post contains images yellowtail : Well with the number of lawyers travelling back and forth between PTY and BZE these days....J would be an easy fill. Seriously, the market dynamics o
193 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : DAV runway extension got cracks From www.prensa.com in Spanish Seems that the latest quake shaking in Chiriqui province have taken a toll of the newly
194 SJOtoLIR : The former TA had studied CWB as a potential new station in the future out of LIM. Times are changing and the coming withdrawal of the tag-on [BOG-BS
195 2travel2know2 : Last thing CM needs is 2 LIR-like destinations from its hub. Neither PVR nor SJD have the draw CUN has in South America. ACA and MZT are suffering du
196 Post contains images copa330200 : rumor: Panama's President (Martinelli) will visit Caracas with the next days to talk with Venezuela's President (Maduro) about Colon trade zone / CM p
197 Post contains links and images copa330200 : as per Prensa today (below): 1- Panama is working to increse KL to a second daily flight, IB to 7x weekly and closing with LH 2- 2.9% increase of peop
198 yellowtail : Seriously, a second daily KL? Why not work on getting the AF up to daily first..that is effectively your second KL. Personally, PTY needs to work on
199 2travel2know2 : I wish our ruler luck when talking to the Venezuelans. Can't really say he'd talk on behalf of CM and its owners Duty Free Business w/ Venezuela or i
200 yellowtail : I missed this in your comments. Lots of countries / airports have offered this in some form to CM. I know BZE did too...
201 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : A fresh thread is already running: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 54 (by SJOtoLIR Jul 4 2013 in Civil Aviation) Mods, please lock this edition
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