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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 53  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11831 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LIII
“Massive operational changes in Central America”

In the middle of May 2013, Avianca suddenly dropped most of the flights operated by the former LACSA Líneas Aereas Costarricenses at SJO who was operating as part of GRUPO TACA, of course.
This situation deserves all the attention on this board and we’re carefully studying all the possible impacts in the future.
The confirmed withdrawals have been classified as follows:

Effective from May 17th:
TA/LR SJO-LAX; 3x weekly
TA/LR SJO-HAV; 2x weekly
TA/LR SJO-JFK; 4x weekly
TA/LR SJO-UIO-GYE-SJO; 7x weekly
TA/LR SJO-MTY; 3x weekly
TA/LR SJO-PTY; 7x weekly
TA/LR SJO-PTY-MDE


Effective from June 16th:
TA/LR [SJO-LIM] 13x to 7x weekly
TA [SAL-TGU-MIA] 7x weekly
TA [SJO-GUA] 14x to 7x weekly

Authorities of the airline are promoting a big announcement on May 28th.

Welcome to the new installment on the Cent Am aviation series!


Edited on May 27th, 2013


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11775 times:

May 28, the airline is dead; long live the airline.

Today I got a LifeMiles email promoting Costa Rica like crazy... guess they are trying to do some crowd control.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11704 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
TA/LR [SJO-LIM] 13x to 7x weekly

I don't think AV will drop SJO-LIM completely as LIM is still an AV hub.
If AV is smart, it'd be using LR and TA flight designators (and registered aircraft) to make use of Costa Rica and El Salvador bilateral with the countries where AV is currently facing problems increasing frequencies like Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11702 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 1):
Today I got a LifeMiles email promoting Costa Rica like crazy... guess they are trying to do some crowd control.

Well they have to at lease pretend like their are interested to the ICT.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11654 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 1):
May 28, the airline is dead; long live the airline.

  

Though I was expecting to see all flights showing up as AV in Amadeus... they're still bookable as TA / LR.



Don't expect to see me around that much (if at all) -- the contact link should still work, though.
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11643 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 4):
Though I was expecting to see all flights showing up as AV in Amadeus... they're still bookable as TA / LR.

Today is the announcement. Maybe tomorrow things will change.

Taca official twitter account and facebook account are gone
https://twitter.com/taca_com
https://www.facebook.com/tacaairlines

Juanchito

[Edited 2013-05-28 08:03:54]

[Edited 2013-05-28 08:04:44]


Chapin de corazon.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11615 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 5):
Taca official twitter account and facebook account are gone

Aviation's not an easy business, even in an small region like Central America, some airline-owners/managers do things one way, other another that will seal their airlines future.
I was never a big fan of TACA El Salvador (and grupo TACA) or LACSA Costa Rica, but I did admire how Salvadorean TACA kept flying almost undisturbed while El Salvador (the country) was going throughout some tough times.
I'm not going to celebrate this date, albeit with some nostalgia I'll have in the future, I'm not going to mourn TACA "passing away" either.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11585 times:

Live feed for the new Avianca

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faYsHbfZl9Y&feature=youtu.be

juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11536 times:

Seems like AV and AM are offering $399 fares SAP SAL/MEX CUN fares now. Used to be $700 +. It's amazing what a little competition from a little Belizean Airline can do. Tropic allows you to so it SAP BZE CUN


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11448 times:

I just watched on TV local news that authorities of Costa Rica travelled to Bogota, Colombia trying to find an explanation about the sudden demise of the mentioned routes out of SJO.
The information states that the Government of Costa Rica is seeking for a foreign carrier who wants to operate the [SJO-JFK] sector. There's no need for a drama due to the seasonal service on AA JFK-SJO, among other possibilities.




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Quoting aer (Reply 1):
May 28, the airline is dead





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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
I don't think AV will drop SJO-LIM completely as LIM is still an AV hub.

Same thoughts.
The former TA/LR [SJO-LIM-SCL] 7x weekly will remain after June 16th.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
If AV is smart, it'd be using LR and TA flight designators (and registered aircraft) to make use of Costa Rica and El Salvador bilateral with the countries where AV is currently facing problems increasing frequencies like Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil.

Based on what I've read in the older thread, SJO-CCS and SJO-BOG-BSB won't be disturbed at all.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):
It's amazing what a little competition from a little Belizean Airline can do

PM has the credit for the launch of both [SAP-BZE] and [CUN-BZE].
And [BZE-RTB] is coming in November...


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11414 times:

what is AV doing with the "spare" aircraft from SJO? are they moving them to BOG / LIM ??


On the run !!!
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11348 times:

I say we dedicate the next thread to the "old" TA. The TA of Frederico Bloch.

Say what we want for the Parrot Cartel, they served our countries well. Always getting new aircraft. TA single handedly built Belize's tourism as I am sure it did with other countries.

RIP El Loro!

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 9):
PM has the credit for the launch of both [SAP-BZE] and [CUN-BZE].
And [BZE-RTB] is coming in November...

FRS has been been served for many years.....and traffic is now also connecting SAP/CUN-BZE-FRS



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11346 times:

I just booked my first 788 flight. UA IAH-ORD.....in business class......I'm excited!


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11313 times:

PTY connecting traffic up 26% from last year from www.prensa.com in Spanish
PTY airport in-transit passengers increased 26% between January and April when compared to same period last year.
It's expected that by years end, PTY will be handling 7.5million passengers.
7.5million passengers its an astonishing figure for an airport in this region,



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11296 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
FRS has been been served for many years.

The only flight that keeps FRS international.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
I just booked my first 788 flight. UA IAH-ORD.....in business class......I'm excited!

Nice, I had the same return flight back in March but they got grounded... Let us know how it is.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11251 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 3):
Quoting aer (Reply 1):
Today I got a LifeMiles email promoting Costa Rica like crazy

Well they have to at lease pretend like their are interested to the ICT

Suddenly roundtrip travel from anywhere in CentAm to LIR only sets you back 10K LifeMiles.

Quoting juanchito (Reply 7):
the new Avianca

It might be just me but their new logo does look startlingly similar to the new AA mark entitled the Flight Symbol.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
I say we dedicate the next thread to the "old" TA. The TA of Frederico Bloch

Always been intrigued by the mysterious circumstances surrounding his tragic death. As most of you recall, he was shot dead in his car outside San Salvador.

Salvadoran police quickly arrested and charged two 16–year–old members of the Mara Salvatrucha with whom Bloch was said to have had some sort of friendship and then eventually a personal quarrel.

Made me wonder ever since how a top airline executive, who must have had a security detail, came to know two youth gang members.

[Edited 2013-05-29 11:29:09]


Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11100 times:

Tropic Air has changed their IATA designator and now appear as 9N. They are also now available and selling tickets on GDSs (Amadeus, Galileo, Apollo, Worldspan, Sabre, Sirena, Abacus).

Have you guys seen this article


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11077 times:

A.net has been acting screwy for me today (made me look like an amateur above)....I was trying to post the article in the WSJ about CM (so just google it) following...note the last sentence about LH and PTY. I still maintain that over the next 24 months, LH will get closer to CM and AV will bolt for Skyteam.


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11035 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):
I was trying to post the article in the WSJ about CM (so just google it) following...note the last sentence about LH and PTY.

Content is only accessible to wsj.com subscribers anyway, so perhaps you can post an excerpt within the fair use exception to copyright law.



Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10932 times:

LH to PTY is a question of when, regardless of LH in BOG and KL AMS-PTY.
Would LH make it a thrice weekly - to start - MUC-PTY not to bother its FRA-BOG is also questionable.
LH @ MUC may not be the same as LH @ FRA but LH may find it easier to get slots @ MUC than FRA for a PTY flight.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10915 times:

LH will have to fly from FRA not MUC to make the flight work. Just like BA, I am sure LH can find a slot if they want to badly enough. Would need to be minimum 4Xweek to start to appeal to business travellers...maybe a MWFSat


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10875 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
Would LH make it a thrice weekly - to start - MUC-PTY not to bother its FRA-BOG is also questionable.

I don't think LH's FRA-BOG service would be affected at all by a supposed new PTY service. FRA-BOG does carry an amount of connecting passengers but it also served the large Bogotá and Colombia markets, which have extensive business ties with Germany and transfer traffic to Asia is steadily growing.

PTY would be mostly for connections to other countries and tourism, and they can easily coexist. Just as CCS-FRA and BOG-FRA coexist perfectly. I remember myself hearing rumors that CCS would be axed in favor of BOG. Never happened.



Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10830 times:

FRA-PTY would be an ideal 788 route....If LH had ordered them


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10755 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
my first 788 flight. UA IAH-ORD

  




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
Tropic Air has changed their IATA designator and now appear as 9N

Farewell PM !




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
LH @ MUC may not be the same as LH @ FRA but LH may find it easier to get slots @ MUC than FRA for a PTY flight.

I concur that LH is closer to PTY and covered by the Star Alliance banner.
LH at PTY will only experience service to either Frankfurt or Munich. My vote is for LH PTY-FRA.
Even Mexico City reversed their intended plans for any LH MUC-MEX. Only LH FRA-MEX 7x weekly is still active.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10695 times:

Other sources on the web aren't currently referring to TACA which commercially is not longer in service since May 28th. Avianca Central America is a new designation.
I expect the unification of taca.com into avianca.com in the near future.
All “TA” and “LR” flight codes will be gradually switched to the “AV” designator towards the 3rd quarter of this year.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10703 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 24):
Avianca Central America is a new designation

Is that a legal or dba (nombre de fantasía) name? Does it apply to what once came to be known as Taca Regional or to something else?



Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 26, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10644 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 24):
I expect the unification of taca.com into avianca.com in the near future.

Hopefully they'll rebrand the current taca.com... the current avianca.com has been a PITA the few times I've tried to use it.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
Tropic Air has changed their IATA designator and now appear as 9N. They are also now available and selling tickets on GDSs (Amadeus, Galileo, Apollo, Worldspan, Sabre, Sirena, Abacus).

They'd better start visiting travel agencies around here   



Don't expect to see me around that much (if at all) -- the contact link should still work, though.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10653 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 26):
They'd better start visiting travel agencies around here   

already did. these days the sales teams are tied up in Honduras and Guate I believe.

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 26):
Hopefully they'll rebrand the current taca.com... the current avianca.com has been a PITA the few times I've tried to use it.

I agree. Its horrible.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10486 times:

AA just wielded the hatchet on many Central American routes.....MGA, PTY, SAL, BZE etc etc....
maybe a rationalisation in prep for the merger consummation?

A stand out was this (from the OAG thread) DL ATL-GUA DEC 1.9>3 JAN 1.1>3 FEB 1.0>3
If that doesn't send a signal that Delta wants to claim GUA, then I don't know what else would. Maybe AV will be announcing some "cuts" at GUA too....so

IMHO, if they do, will it be a sign of AV and DL getting closer or is it another scenario?

[Edited 2013-06-03 14:48:53]


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 29, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10459 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28):
Maybe AV will be announcing some "cuts" at GUA too....so

Out of FRS, LAX, ORD, MIA, SAL, SAP, TGU, SJO I'm guessing ORD (though they only serve it through GUA) and MIA (may be), LAX is their only strong hold; but who knows.

I knew AV was gonna decrease all service and interest in Central America, but not so soon.

[Edited 2013-06-03 15:15:40]


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 30, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10440 times:

Wow 3 daily flight to Atlanta, I think this is only for peak season

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28):
DL ATL-GUA DEC 1.9>3 JAN 1.1>3 FEB 1.0>3

I have heard from Airport rumors that the ORD and LAX flight will change schedule, they will be launching it to be in the morning returning in the afternoon.

Quoting aer (Reply 29):
Out of FRS, LAX, ORD, MIA, SAL, SAP, TGU, SJO I'm guessing ORD (though they only serve it through GUA) and MIA (may be), LAX is their only strong hold; but who knows.

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10437 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 29):
Out of FRS, LAX, ORD, MIA, SAL, SAP, TGU, SJO I'm guessing ORD (though they only serve it through GUA) and MIA (may be), LAX is their only strong hold; but who knows.

If they were to cut I would say they would move ORD to SAL and then trim MIA.

IMHO Demand for MIA from all of latin america has leveled off. MIA is becoming more O&D only, with the transfer traffic that used to only have MIA as its only option now finding out about IAH, DFW, CLT, ATL and even places like MCO...where the lines are (usually) shorter. FLL is also bleeding off MIA traffic.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 32, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10436 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 31):
If they were to cut I would say they would move ORD to SAL and then trim MIA.

ORD was tried through SAL a while back and failed, that's why they kept it going through GUA. MIA is already just using a E190 and not daily; guess AA will have a field day with GUA then or it will be the incentive for B6 to start from FLL in 2014.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 33, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10430 times:

United flight from Houston to Guatemala will also increase, they usually have 3 daily on december.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-GUA DEC 3>4

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32796 posts, RR: 71
Reply 34, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10437 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28):
AA just wielded the hatchet on many Central American routes.....MGA, PTY, SAL, BZE etc etc....maybe a rationalisation in prep for the merger consummation?

What on earth are you talking about?

Did you mean to say "AA just loaded their normal Central America flying reductions - pretty much in line with what AA has done every year?" Because that's what AA has done. The frequencies cut all return in November.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 31):
Demand for MIA from all of latin america has leveled off.

If you define roughly 10% annual growth on key O&D routes "levelling off," then yes, it's leveled off.

But since that kind of growth isn't levelling off, then, no, it hasn't leveled off.



a.
User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 35, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10395 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 32):
MIA is already just using a E190 and not daily; guess AA will have a field day with GUA then or it will be the incentive for B6 to start from FLL in 2014.

But there are still passengers who go out of their way to fly TA AV for the baggage allowance, even if it's a bit more expensive than AA. Not that there's much of a difference now that they reduced the free baggage allowance from 100 lb to 70 lb, though   



Don't expect to see me around that much (if at all) -- the contact link should still work, though.
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10389 times:
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So for the winter season we are seeing DL go to 3 daily at GUA, UA to 4 daily at GUA? That's a ton of additional capacity. That's great!


avi8
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10340 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 25):
Is that a legal or dba (nombre de fantasía) name?

Nothing official yet !



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 38, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10331 times:

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 34):
What on earth are you talking about?

Someone is still mad for DL proving them wrong...

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 34):
Did you mean to say "AA just loaded their normal Central America flying reductions

No...I meant what i said....its deeper than last year....more aggressive..starts earlier, ends later.

And yes, AA is preparing for integration with US's routes.....You will gradually see CLT and DFW become the connecting hubs for LatAm and MIA become more O&D focussed which will drive the yields for AA at MIA much higher. I will let the events to come prove themselves once again to you.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 34):
10% annual growth on key O&D routes

now that is a vague statement. Who defines key? you, mia airport, AA, a.net? Actually I am sure Doug and Horton probably have different definitions themselves.

Quoting avi8 (Reply 36):
So for the winter season we are seeing DL go to 3 daily at GUA, UA to 4 daily at GUA? That's a ton of additional capacity. That's great!

It is... UA and DL are really doing well at GUA and SJO.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10314 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 38):
UA and DL are really doing well at GUA and SJO.

Even UA EWR-GUA 2x weekly?



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 40, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10307 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 39):
Even UA EWR-GUA 2x weekly?

GUA-EWR is still 1x weekly but usually full. The new flights are just extra Saturday flights for a while from IAH and ATL according to Amadeus.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1880 posts, RR: 6
Reply 41, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10196 times:

I know... Venezuela is not Central America... but unfortunately there is not such thread about South America.

INAC (National Institute of Civil Aviation) of Venezuela will ban all Boeing 727s, Boeing 737-200s and all Douglas DC-9s by November 2013.

Avior Airlines and RAVSA Venezolana operates both the B732 from Venezuela to Panama (PTY). These were the last scheduled flights of Boeing 737-200s to PTY. Avior will replace its fleet of B732 with newer Boeing 737-400s.

For more information click here.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10149 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 41):
Avior will replace its fleet of B732 with newer Boeing 737-400s.

Avior's capacity increase will be welcome by the Venezuela - Panama O/D traffic, even if to/from BLA.
Wish CM could start PTY - PZO and P5 BOG (or MDE) - MAR. PTY (O/D+hub) - MAR market needs a daytime return flight.
There might be some demand for CM PTY-PMV but that route may work only if a part of holiday programmes sold in South/North America.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 43, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9960 times:

Now that it seems the forum has finally been unbroken   ...

Any reason why CM timed the PTY-SXM departure to match only the South American flight bank and not the Central American one? As it stands right now, passengers traveling from Central America are required to spend a night in PTY and depart to SXM the following morning... if the flight departed a couple of hours later, it would still connect with the first flights arriving into PTY, and the return flight would still be back in time for the evening flight bank.    Or am I the only one in the region nuts enough to want to do that trip?  



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9909 times:

There are worse things in life than a night in PTY. Casca Vieja baby!


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 45, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9899 times:

First picture of Avianca first ATR72-600



Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 46, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9883 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 44):
There are worse things in life than a night in PTY. Casca Vieja baby!

I'm not saying it's bad, but it does add a bit to the expense  



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 47, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9879 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 45):
First picture of Avianca first ATR72-600

They're going to Colombia then?



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 48, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9864 times:

Quoting viasa (Reply 41):
Avior Airlines and RAVSA Venezolana operates both the B732 from Venezuela to Panama (PTY). These were the last scheduled flights of Boeing 737-200s to PTY. Avior will replace its fleet of B732 with newer Boeing 737-400s.

Based on the bilateral agreement between Panama and Venezuela:

9V BLA-PTY 4x weekly with 732
VNE [MAR-PTY] 4x weekly with 732
S3 CCS-PTY 7x weekly with 757




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Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 43):
Any reason why CM timed the PTY-SXM departure to match only the South American flight bank and not the Central American one?

I ignore the answer, but I tried to find an explanation.
CM PTY-SXM started in December 2010 with 73G as 2x weekly and it was properly timed to allow connections from Central America.
The departing hour from PTY was suddenly changed earlier and no longer than a year before.
Probably the yields on CM PTY-SXM are mostly oriented for travelers coming from South America and PTY is getting arrivals earlier than 07:00 a.m. from GIG, GRU, CNF, BSB, MAO, EZE, COR, SCL, ASU, LIM and VVI, among others.
G3 from Brazil flies seasonal flights heading to St. Maarten and it indeed demonstrates that the market exists.

Regards.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 49, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9846 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 47):
They're going to Colombia then?

The press release in Spanish states that AV is acquiring 15 ATR 72-600 and heading to both Colombia and Central America.


http://www.aviacol.net/noticias-del-...peracion-de-vuelos-regionales.html

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 50, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9804 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 5):
Taca official twitter account and facebook account are gone

Taking a lot of heat now in their LifeMiles facebook page for recent changes to the redemption tables, which according to one user has "cumulatively made awards as much as 20% more expensive to redeem. People are cheesed off that you used a 'bait and switch' trick that unsavoury merchants use" — lol.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 51, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9804 times:

Here's two more..

"Debiera darles verguenza hacer el cambio sin avisar y luego actuar como si no la hubieran embarrado. Acepten el error, que actuaron mal! Eso es lo que haria cualquier compañia con algo de etica social!" (posted by David Thomson)

"This is going from bad to worse - Even in your attempt to apologize to us for an unethical business practice, you continue to mask the situation with lies and deceit!" (posted by Michael Holaschke)



Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9748 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 43):
Any reason why CM timed the PTY-SXM departure to match only the South American flight bank and not the Central American one?

I think GUA, MGA and SJO shouldn't worry, after AV really downgrades SJO, we could bet CM will add earlier departures from those airports to PTY in order to offer connections for the 1st hub bank of the day.
Wonder how a GUA 0400h departure to PTY yields would look like.. specially the PTY O/D traffic.
Due to PTY-SJO O/D, I also expect CM to fly one of their aircraft currently R.O.N. @ SJO to PTY and back to SJO for those late evening SJO-PTY and early morning PTY-SJO dropped by AV, regardless if those flights will operate off CM hub bank times.



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User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 53, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9730 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 52):
Wonder how a GUA 0400h departure to PTY yields would look like.. specially the PTY O/D traffic.

There's already a 0518h one, it's quite popular with business travelers (at least according to my personal observations   ). But a 0400h departure would be arriving at PTY around 0720, that is still too late to catch the early morning flights to SXM, SDQ or PUJ... you would need to depart around 0330 for that.   



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9718 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 53):
But a 0400h departure would be arriving at PTY around 0720, that is still too late to catch the early morning flights to SXM, SDQ or PUJ... you would need to depart around 0330 for that.

If the market for GUA-SXM (or SJO/MGA-SXM) is there then a PTY 0615h arrival is a must.
For GUA-SDQ/PUJ there are other time to connect everyday day.
CM could well market those flights from Central America and BOG arriving PTY 0600-0630h with cheaper fares to PTY and stop the complains from those saying it's too expensive to fly in Central America w/CM.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 55, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9665 times:

According to La Nación three top Costa Rican government officials were assured at AV headquarters in Bogotá earlier today that "no habrá cancelaciones adicionales de vuelos y que en consecuencia, no se ejecutarán más despidos" (essentially no more cancelled flights or job cuts at SJO).

[Edited 2013-06-06 14:48:00]


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9655 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 55):

According to La Nación three top Costa Rican government officials were assured at AV headquarters in Bogotá earlier today that "no habrá cancelaciones adicionales de vuelos y que en consecuencia, no se ejecutarán más despidos" (essentially no more cancelled flights or job cuts at SJO).

That is like saying I just got a physical exam and I am good to go. Its is good for the next 5 minutes!



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 57, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9651 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 56):
That is like saying I just got a physical exam and I am good to go. Its is good for the next 5 minutes!

All about making sure they avoid being fined by the DGAC while negotiating an additional concession or two.. Villegas et al. couldn't care less what promises were made in that meeting as long as it got them off the hook.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 58, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9598 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 52):
I think GUA, MGA and SJO shouldn't worry, after AV really downgrades SJO, we could bet CM will add earlier departures from those airports to PTY in order to offer connections for the 1st hub bank of the day.
Wonder how a GUA 0400h departure to PTY yields would look like.. specially the PTY O/D traffic.

Panama is one hour forward compared with the remaining part of Central America.

First flights on Copa Airlines from both Guatemala and Costa Rica:
CM 497........GUA 05:18...........PTY 08:38..........Daily...........E90
CM 4165......SJO 06:00............PTY 08:16..........Daily...........73G

Having said that, CM PTY-SXM and the daylight flights on CM PTY-JFK and CM PTY-LAX are not affordable. Other destinations are blocked in the morning, but CM offers multiple choices to BOG, PUJ, MCO, CUN, HAV, SDQ and MIA.
I'm not sure if an earlier flight heading to Panama City from both GUA and SJO is a good idea.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 59, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9564 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 58):
I'm not sure if an earlier flight heading to Panama City from both GUA and SJO is a good idea.

Which is why I'd think a later departure to SXM would have been a better idea... but I guess the demand is more significant from South America.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9508 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 59):
Which is why I'd think a later departure to SXM would have been a better idea... but I guess the demand is more significant from South America.

And SXM isn't that big of an airport, if CM has a later departure it may not find an acceptable position for the aircraft.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9475 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 59):
Which is why I'd think a later departure to SXM would have been a better idea... but I guess the demand is more significant from South America.

I would think the demand to SXM from GUA and SJO is negligible.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 60):
And SXM isn't that big of an airport, if CM has a later departure it may not find an acceptable position for the aircraft.

If CM wanted an afternoon arrival spot...i am sure the SXM people would it.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9473 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):
I would think the demand to SXM from GUA and SJO is negligible.

There could be European tourists on SXM with longer stays on the island who would want to visit something other than a beach be rainforest, Spanish Colonial city or Mayan ruins.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 63, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9457 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 62):

There could be European tourists on SXM with longer stays on the island who would want to visit something other than a beach be rainforest, Spanish Colonial city or Mayan ruins.

And when they saw the price of a ticket SXM-PTY-GUA...they would probably cry!



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User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 64, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9433 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):
I would think the demand to SXM from GUA and SJO is negligible.

Or in other words, the answer to my question:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 43):
am I the only one in the region nuts enough to want to do that trip?

is yes.  



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 65, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9417 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 64):
is yes.  

Well I would too but BZE-PTY-SXM was not part of the hypothetical....CM don't fly here anyway   



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 66, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9323 times:

Testimony of stranded passengers on TA/LR [SJO-UIO-GYE-SJO] which is no longer in service:


http://www.nacion.com/2013-06-07/Por...s-vuelo-que-suspendio-Avianca.aspx




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Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 59):
I'd think a later departure to SXM would have been a better idea

Take a look about how is CM doing in Nassau, Bahamas:

CM 280......PTY 07:44...........NAS 11:41........We, Sa..........73G
CM 196......PTY 11:30...........NAS 15:20........Th, Su...........E90

CM 281......NAS 12:40...........PTY 14:32........We, Sa.........73G
CM 197......NAS 16:11...........PTY 17:56........Th, Su...........E90

By the way, CM PTY-NAS 4x weekly will up-gauge the service to 73G from July 07th.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 61):
I would think the demand to SXM from GUA and SJO is negligible.
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 63):
when they saw the price of a ticket SXM-PTY-GUA...they would probably cry!

As a curious tourist, I flew [CM SJO-PTY with E90 and immediately CM PTY-SXM with 73G] and back in February 2012; almost $600 in Y.
Speaking about CM PTY-SXM 2x weekly, the airline will downgrade the route from 73G to E90; starting on July 07th.

Regards.

[Edited 2013-06-08 06:51:49]


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 67, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9262 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 66):
By the way, CM PTY-NAS 4x weekly will up-gauge the service to 73G from July 07th.

Next step daily service. Were they not running the 738 at one time?

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 66):
Speaking about CM PTY-SXM 2x weekly, the airline will downgrade the route from 73G to E90; starting on July 07th.

Not a good sign if the route is aimed at S. Americans and that is the busiest time of the year for travel from that region.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 68, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 66):
CM PTY-SXM

CM PTY-SXM is now ranked among the weakest routes on CM, in terms of capacity:

CM PTY-SXM; 2x weekly
CM PTY-LIR; 2x weekly




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 67):
Not a good sign if the route is aimed at S. Americans and that is the busiest time of the year for travel from that region.

The South American travelers are choosing other Caribbean stations:

CM PTY-SXM; 2x weekly with E90 from July 2013
CM PTY-HAV; 42x weekly [28x 738 + 14x 73G]

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9234 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 68):
The South American travelers are choosing other Caribbean stations:

CM PTY-SXM; 2x weekly with E90 from July 2013
CM PTY-HAV; 42x weekly [28x 738 + 14x 73G]

Comparing SXM to HAV is like comparing apples to oranges.. HAV isn't a full leisure destination. If CM flew to VRA in Cuba - which I wonder why it hasn't started, then that station could be compared to SXM because the leisure major traffic component.
Seeing how big CM is in HAV, surely there's now enough demand from eastern Cuba (SCU) for a twice weekly E190.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 68):
CM PTY-SXM is now ranked among the weakest routes on CM, in terms of capacity:

CM PTY-SXM; 2x weekly
CM PTY-LIR; 2x weekly

When it comes to capacity yes, it's weak, when it comes to yields, LIR may be CM biggest money loser.
IMHO, CM should drop the dedicated flights right away and include LIR twice weekly as a stop en-route to/from GUA. and see what happens.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 70, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9207 times:

Operations of AV/TA at SJO:

SJO-CCS; 7x weekly
SJO-BOG; 14x weekly. Tag-on [BOG-BSB] 4x weekly
SJO-LIM-SCL; 7x weekly
SJO-GUA-LAX; 7x weekly
SJO-MIA; 7x weekly
SJO-MEX; 7x weekly
SJO-SAL; 21x weekly
SJO-TGU; 7x weekly, ATR
SJO-SAP; 7x weekly, ATR
SJO-MGA-SAL; 7x weekly, ATR

Effective: June 16th




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 69):
Seeing how big CM is in HAV, surely there's now enough demand from eastern Cuba (SCU) for a twice weekly E190.

Havana, Cuba is the stellar Caribbean destination of Copa Airlines. I concur about the feasibility of new Cuban stations in the future.
For example, SDQ was the first station in Dominican Republic and the airline has already consolidated their operations at both PUJ and STI.

Regards.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 71, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9193 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 70):
SJO-CCS; 7x weekly
SJO-BOG; 14x weekly. Tag-on [BOG-BSB] 4x weekly
SJO-LIM-SCL; 7x weekly
SJO-GUA-LAX; 7x weekly
SJO-MIA; 7x weekly
SJO-MEX; 7x weekly
SJO-SAL; 21x weekly
SJO-TGU; 7x weekly, ATR
SJO-SAP; 7x weekly, ATR
SJO-MGA-SAL; 7x weekly, ATR

no sjo-pty?



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9187 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 71):
no sjo-pty?

No AV SJO-PTY, not even that former early morning PTY-SJO, evening SJO-PTY made famous by Salvadorean TACA.
And a possible SJO-PTY PTY arrival 2200h, PTY-SJO PTY departure 0600h may not attract that many passengers if it'd be on a ATR.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9144 times:
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Only 13 daily departures from AV at SJO. Wow, GUA is about 1-2 departures behind


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 74, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9135 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 72):
No AV SJO-PTY, not even that former early morning PTY-SJO, evening SJO-PTY made famous by Salvadorean TACA.

I did that lechero BZE-SAL-SJO-PTY too many times to remember. Used to party all night in PTY got back to the hotel take a shower and head straight to the airport. Was always fun to see all the hungover folks getting on the plane in BZE.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 75, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9106 times:

The demise of TA/LR SJO-PTY 14x weekly was a big surprise to everyone here.
In my view, the huge competence supplied by CM/P5 [PTY-SJO] 40x weekly influenced this fact.
Based on this assertion, their rivals may affect the following routes in the future:

AV SJO-MIA 7x weekly against AA MIA-SJO 28x weekly.
AV SJO-GUA 7x weekly against CM/P5 SJO-GUA 12x weekly.
AV SJO-MEX 7x weekly against [40 MEX-SJO 7x weekly + AM SJO-MEX 7x weekly].


Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9097 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 75):
In my view, the huge competence supplied by CM/P5 [PTY-SJO] 40x weekly influenced this fact.

That might be partly true, but what's a big surprise here in PTY is that regardless of CM/P5 huge offer on PTY-SJO, AV inherited a very popular PTY-SJO-PTY schedule.
CM 1st PTY-SJO is at 0715h while Central American TACA for a time had a 0545h departure, arriving back to PTY 2300h (CM latest SJO arrival is before 2100h).



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9097 times:

Panama national Football team is flying charter PTY-SEA today, wonder if it's on a CM B737-700.
If carrying less than 100 passengers, the B737-700 may be able to fly non-stop from PTY to SEA.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 78, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9055 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 77):
Panama national Football team is flying charter PTY-SEA

Probably the rest of their seats are loaded with authorities and fans.
This is the way these charter flights operate in Costa Rica.

Regards.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8978 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 77):
Panama national Football team is flying charter PTY-SEA today, wonder if it's on a CM B737-700

Go Panama Go !!!   

by the way, does anybody know how the Mexico nacional football team got to Panama and how/when they left ?



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8977 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 79):
by the way, does anybody know how the Mexico nacional football team got to Panama and how/when they left ?

From Jamaica it was reported Mexico arrived on the island via Houston, which mean they flew UA MEX-IAH-MBJ and took a bus from MBJ to Kingston. Their arrival time at PTY matches CM arrival time from MBJ.
Have no clue how that team left PTY but my guess would be CM.
Now, go figure, Mexico National Football team travel consultants didn't know they could fly the team MEX-KIN-PTY-MEX all with CM and put them to take bus transfer between MBJ and Kingston.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8908 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 77):
Panama national Football team is flying charter PTY-SEA today, wonder if it's on a CM B737-700.
If carrying less than 100 passengers, the B737-700 may be able to fly non-stop from PTY to SEA.

as per the news below, the National soccer team left PTY at 21:30 arriving in Seatle at 5:30 local (7:30 Panama) after a fuel stop in Cancun


http://www.prensa.com/uhora/deportes...rga-energias-seattle-futbol/183438



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8862 times:

PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) SEA (47°27'00"N 122°18'42"W) 324.5° (NW) 3643 mi
2 segment path: 3648 mi (+0.1%)
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) CUN (21°02'12"N 86°52'37"W) 329.6° (NW) 962 mi
CUN (21°02'12"N 86°52'37"W) SEA (47°27'00"N 122°18'42"W) 321.2° (NW) 2685 mi
2 segment path: 3705 mi (+1.7%)
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) MTY (25°46'43"N 100°06'25"W) 312.8° (NW) 1781 mi
MTY (25°46'43"N 100°06'25"W) SEA (47°27'00"N 122°18'42"W) 326.7° (NW) 1924 mi

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 81):
as per the news below, the National soccer team left PTY at 21:30 arriving in Seatle at 5:30 local (7:30 Panama) after a fuel stop in Cancun

I does make sense the tech-stop was in CUN.
Distance-wise, MTY could have worked too, since both CUN and MTY are CM stations.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 83, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8843 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 80):
MEX-KIN-PTY-MEX all with CM and put them to take bus transfer between MBJ and Kingston.

Or fly AA MEX-MIA-KIN

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 82):
I does make sense the tech-stop was in CUN.
Distance-wise, MTY could have worked too, since both CUN and MTY are CM stations.

Fuel is cheaper in CUN....



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 84, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8820 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 80):
no clue how that team left PTY but my guess would be CM

CM9000 PTYCUNSEA.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 77):
wonder if it's on a CM B737-700

B737-800.

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 81):
arriving in Seatle at 5:30 local (7:30 Panama)

Make that 04:44 local (06:44 Panamá).

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 77):
Panama national Football team

I am hoping for a stunner that'll boost their chances of qualifying.. good thing is weather shouldn't be an issue, unlike in that USA–CRC match last March, widely regarded as the epitome of fair play — sarcasm intended.



Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8795 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 84):
CM9000 PTYCUNSEA.

thanks !!! any idea what happens with the aircraft; will it wait to bring the team back or CM flies it back to LAX or any other city to keep it moving them send a new aircraft to bring the team back home ??

any idea how is Costa Rica team flying to Mex ?



On the run !!!
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 86, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8770 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 85):
how is Costa Rica team flying to Mex ?

LR8644 SJOMEX nonstop, expected to arrive just past midnight this evening.. a group of local fans joined the players, coaching staff and federation officials on this flight, as FEDEFUTBOL sold several seats to help offset the cost.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 87, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8673 times:

in the IOAG thread.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-BZE DEC 1.8>3
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-BZE DEC 0.1>0.3

UA showing BZE some love! Finally got EWR above 1Xweek



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineluisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 88, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

The Mexican team arrived to PTY from Jamaica in a chartered Interjet A320. In telemetro.com they even showed a pic of the A320 parked in PTY.

Regards,
Luis


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8589 times:
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UA showing some love to GUA as well!

UNITED during Christmas/New Year season 2013/14, is increasing operations on a number of routes to Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean. Planned service changes from 19DEC13 to 05JAN14, compared to the same period in 2012/13, as follow.


Houston – Guatemala City Service increases from 22 to 24 weekly
Newark – Guatemala City Service increases from 1 weekly to 4 weekly



avi8
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 90, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

The National soccer team of Honduras probably left Costa Rica on CM SJO-TGU.
They arrived at TGU at noon on June 08th.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 80):
Mexico National Football team travel consultants didn't know they could fly the team MEX-KIN-PTY-MEX all with CM and put them to take bus transfer between MBJ and Kingston.

For the case of Costa Rica, some travel agencies are promoting tours in September and KIN won't be the port of entry but MBJ.




.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 87):
UA showing BZE some love! Finally got EWR above 1Xweek
Quoting avi8 (Reply 89):
UA showing some love to GUA as well!

Correct. The schedule will be effective during the Christmas season and touching several Central American routes:


.........................December 19 - January 05................ 2012 Christmas season
UA ORD-LIR................3x weekly..........................................1x weekly
UA IAH-BZE................21x weekly........................................14x weekly
UA IAH-GUA...............24x weekly........................................22x weekly
UA IAH-RTB.................7x weekly..........................................4x weekly
UA IAH-SAP................10x weekly.........................................7x weekly
UA EWR-BZE...............4x weekly..........................................2x weekly
UA EWR-GUA..............4x weekly..........................................1x weekly
UA EWR-SAP...............4x weekly..........................................1x weekly
UA EWR-SAL...............4x weekly..........................................2x weekly
UA EWR-LIR................5x weekly..........................................7x weekly

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 91, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8559 times:

New schedule for Avianca (Taca) flight from GUA-LAX-GUA.
Flight will continue to SAL and not SJO.

LR640 08:17 GUA - 11:32 LAX
LR641 13:05 LAX - 19:45 GUA

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 92, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8541 times:

Alternate project for a new airport in Guatemala City

http://imageshack.us/a/img841/8121/screenshot2905201305403.jpg

http://www.muniguate.com/images/2013/user01/3005/new_airport.pdf

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8538 times:
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Obviously there were other adjustments in the schedule to make this work. Could you please explain these changes? So is this where the loss of the SJO frequencies comes from? I find it weird that the GUA-SAL flight doesn't arrive to a bank.


avi8
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 94, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8539 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 93):
Obviously there were other adjustments in the schedule to make this work. Could you please explain these changes? So is this where the loss of the SJO frequencies comes from? I find it weird that the GUA-SAL flight doesn't arrive to a bank.

I just double check and flight will continue to SJO

LR641 20:25 GUA - 22:00 SJO
LR640 06:01 SJO - 07:37 GUA

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 95, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8520 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 94):
I just double check and flight will continue to SJO

LR641 20:25 GUA - 22:00 SJO
LR640 06:01 SJO - 07:37 GUA

Wait, what? Don't tell me they're getting rid of the morning GUA-SJO and evening SJO-GUA flights...

http://i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg

BTW, new schedule starts on 01SEP.



Don't expect to see me around that much (if at all) -- the contact link should still work, though.
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 96, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 92):
Alternate project for a new airport in Guatemala City

Someone should tell Mayor Arzú as we say... rolela!



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8501 times:

Forget the idea of a new airport for GUA.
Why? Most times I go there, the terminal is always empty. I've never seen it full to capacity.
The new terminal was constructed and it looks very nice if not sterile. Lots of new shops but severely lacking in good food (i.e. Campero) INSIDE the post-security area.
The gates are empty most of the time. Putting it higher up, would that not expose it to further delays with mudslides or volcanic ash?



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8454 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 90):
For the case of Costa Rica, some travel agencies are promoting tours in September and KIN won't be the port of entry but MBJ.

Most likely Tico Travel Agencies / Operators are marketing the leisure side of Jamaica too.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 99, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8411 times:

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 97):

Again, it's the mayor and his team not wanting to share the good stuff. It's ludicrous and the companies that expressed interest have no idea on airport construction. City Hall has said that they have viability studies, but we all know that that's not true and if a new airport had to/would be constructed it would be in the southern coast as it has been deemed the ideal location.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 100, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8407 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 99):

Again, it's the mayor and his team not wanting to share the good stuff. It's ludicrous and the companies that expressed interest have no idea on airport construction. City Hall has said that they have viability studies, but we all know that that's not true and if a new airport had to/would be constructed it would be in the southern coast as it has been deemed the ideal location.

I think it is an idea that have to be studied. Moving the airport to Escuintla (southern coast) that will be 75 Kilometers (Between Escuintla and Puerto Quetzal) from Guatemala City. That is about 1 hour of driving and that is without traffic you know how the Aguilar Batres is on peak hours that would be a 3 hour drive to the airport.

Having the airport in Guatemala City will benefit most of the travelers on the city. The project will have two new access two the CA9. The airport most have a 4km runway so long haul airplanes can depart without restrictions.

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 97):
The gates are empty most of the time. Putting it higher up, would that not expose it to further delays with mudslides or volcanic ash?

The real problem with GUA is the 3km runway and the taxiway is too close to the runway. When there is a widebody on the runway operation are close in La Aurora until they clear the runway.
Yes most of the time are empty but GUA has some peak hours also. The airport will be a little bit lower than GUA about 100 feets. I don't think mudslides will be a problem in the airport. And volcanic ash last time it happened the ash fall was reaching Cobán in the north and south to Escuintla.
Of course what Mayor Arzú what is to keep the airport in the city. That means a lot of benefit because of taxes.

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 101, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 100):
That is about 1 hour of driving and that is without traffic you know how the Aguilar Batres is on peak hours that would be a 3 hour drive to the airport.

Ok but what do you do about terrain, I mean zona 25 isn't exactly flat and terraforming is very expensive.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 102, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8354 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 101):
Ok but what do you do about terrain, I mean zona 25 isn't exactly flat and terraforming is very expensive.

Well they will have to flatten the ground it will be more expensive of course.

Juanchito

[Edited 2013-06-11 14:40:52]


Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 103, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8209 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 94):
LR641 20:25 GUA - 22:00 SJO
LR640 06:01 SJO - 07:37 GUA

Perhaps the new timetable on TA/LR [SJO-GUA-LAX] would match the current allocation of both DL GUA-LAX and DL SJO-LAX.
I prefer the current schedule on TA/LR [SJO-GUA-LAX] which is better for the business component.




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Quoting avi8 (Reply 93):
I find it weird that the GUA-SAL flight doesn't arrive to a bank.

It was previously explained that this flight won't continue to SAL.
However, TA/AV [SAL-LAX] is 21x weekly for the time being and it's already attending their banks at SAL.




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Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 97):
Forget the idea of a new airport for GUA.

I'm clearly disappointed regarding many Central American projects that haven't been developed in the mid-term: the expansion of SAL; Comayagua, Honduras; Orotina, Costa Rica; Sierpe, Costa Rica and we're now speaking about the replacement of GUA.
I'd remember the case of the Palmerola airport as it would seriously considered since the TACA accident at TGU, back in May 2008. The long distance from the capital city as well as the lack of a proper highway and other services at the airport were issues against this intended idea.
By the way, any word related to the progress on the new Scarlett Martínez airport at Rio Hato, Panama?

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8021 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 102):
By the way, any word related to the progress on the new Scarlett Martínez airport at Rio Hato, Panama?

the last news is that the project is on track to be completed by current Martinelli by early next year , they were working on the new terminal and the local transit tunnel was almost completed  



On the run !!!
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 105, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7941 times:

Nature Air is featuring the nice Deportivo Saprissa color-scheme in one of their De Havilland DHC Twin Otter-300, who's the most popular soccer team in Costa Rica.
This is part of a mutual agreement, where the airline transported them to its training summer camp, located in Punta Islita, Guanacaste.
I think it's the first time when any airline is promoting to any sport club in Central America.






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Quoting copa330200 (Reply 104):
the last news is that the project is on track to be completed by current Martinelli by early next year , they were working on the new terminal and the local transit tunnel was almost completed

Thank you for the info! Perhaps the Balboa airport will decrease their charter services once the new airport would be inaugurated.

Regards.

[Edited 2013-06-15 15:28:25]


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7897 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 105):
I think it's the first time when any airline is promoting to any sport club in Central America.

There aren't that many airlines in Central America so to sponsor with a livery any sport club at all.

Quote:

Thank you for the info! Perhaps the Balboa airport will decrease their charter services once the new airport would be inaugurated.

The group developing BLB Howard is into real-estate development and not airport management, it'd would come as no surprise if they'd wish to get rid of the airport and develop all that land.
On a related note, CM announced it'll open an operate their own M.R.O. facility. It's not known now if CM will overtake whatever Singaporean aerospace left in BLB or do all in PTY. Other aviation maintenance groups have shown interest in those former U.S. Air Force hangars @ BLB.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 107, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7764 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 57):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 56):
That is like saying I just got a physical exam and I am good to go. Its is good for the next 5 minutes!

All about making sure they avoid being fined by the DGAC while negotiating an additional concession or two.. Villegas et al. couldn't care less what promises were made in that meeting as long as it got them off the hook.

Time to stop favoring a Colombian–Salvadoran airline with protectionist habits from the LACSA years.. Costa Rica needs to seriously consider opening its skies.. and by that I mean WIDE OPEN SKIES with full freedoms of the air for the asking.. more competition is necessary to benefit the local traveling public and to promote tourism.

Would like to pass a recommendation along for a fine op–ed piece written by former MOPT deputy minister Luis Diego Vargas, a low–profile yet quite effective get–things–done meritocrat who was in charge of public works concessions during the Arias administration..

China, Oscar Arias, prensa y aviación comercial (article in Spanish)

¿Qué estrategia puede tener el Gobierno cuando lo que continúan diciendo luego de tres semanas de zozobra entre empleados del extinto Grupo Taca es que irán a pedir explicaciones a AVIANCA sobre sus decisiones empresariales? ¿Llevan un inventario de los beneficios extraordinarios que esas empresa y sus antecesoras han recibido a lo largo de décadas? ¿Van armados con un arsenal de medidas regulatorias que podrían aplicar para revertir las relajadas condiciones de la operación en Costa Rica de aquellas empresas? (...) ¿Acaso no tienen las autoridades nacionales la legitimidad para llamar a cuentas al operador y evitarse ellas ir a tocar puertas en los despachos de la empresa en terreno ajeno? ¿No tendrían los empresarios foráneos ser quienes toquen las puertas de los jerarcas costarricenses para ofrecer sus explicaciones y contrarrestar las medidas defensivas de nuestras autoridades?"

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 105):
the most popular soccer team in Costa Rica

Spoken like a morado.. fact is, the race for largest fan base remains too close to call.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 108, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7686 times:

The local TV news are reportedly announcing that the national soccer team of Panama will arrive at SJO on Monday 17th around midday.
I presume CM PTY-SJO-SAP as the most feasible flight.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 109, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7617 times:

Mexico is in final negotiations with Belize on a new sir service agreement. It will see full 5th freedom rights granted to Mexican carriers.


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7609 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 109):
Mexico is in final negotiations with Belize on a new sir service agreement. It will see full 5th freedom rights granted to Mexican carriers.

And the chances of getting Interjet MEX-BZE-MIA are:?
Ties between Mexico and Jamaica aren't that strong but a BZE stop could help a MEX-KIN service 2 or 3 days per week.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 111, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 110):
Ties between Mexico and Jamaica aren't that strong but a BZE stop could help a MEX-KIN service 2 or 3 days per week.

Now there's an idea! MEX-BZE-POS with full traffic rights.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 6):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 11):
RIP El Loro!

RIP taca! I had the chance to fly it before its demise! it will be missed! even my friend Borkman from SAL didn't fly taca, tooo late now!  
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 13):
7.5million passengers its an astonishing figure for an airport in this region,

My dear central american friend, now I can talk about it because I have visited the whole central america! PTY is a great airport! i love transiting there, the only negative side is: no easy access to public transportation, if you want to get the tocumen bus you must have little or no bags and pre paid metro card (not officially sold at the airport).

Martinelli should have though of a train link between via espana and tocumen. it will get there in the future! (I hope cause in brazil we are struggling with the same issues).

SJO heeeeemmmmmm it's fine but nothing extraordinary!

MGA nightmare, there were blackouts every 30 minutes.

SAL don't know how TACA could cope with this airport, it's in the middle of nowhere, I though I was reaching costa rica by taxi but not this airport ahahahahahaha the ride was very long.

I did not visit TGU, I landed in LCE, tiny airport as la ceiba is tiny, the immigration officer took my passport and said: "how long do you need"? me: 1 week, and she: "no but how long brazilians can stay?" me: heeeemmmm you're the immigration officer right? i dont know? and then she just got a yellow book falling apart and opened and then: "ahhhh 90 days" LOOOOOOOL from this you can tell how Honduras is..... not to mention that while i was in line to buy my ticket to roatan island there were shootings outside and i literally had to jump against the floor and hold my backpack while people were in panic and the bullets were heating and breaking everything around.

BZE is small, many traffic to and from the USA, but don't know if they will expand that soon, maybe yellowtail knows.....

GUA brand new but not fully used, unlikely to see other airport serving guatemala city in the future, FRS desert you almost don't see people and taxi drivers fight outside for the little tourists arriving, sad to see.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):

thumbs up for tropic!


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 113, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7573 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 112):
BZE is small, many traffic to and from the USA, but don't know if they will expand that soon, maybe yellowtail knows.....

Yes, they have to. Saturdays and Sundays are mad house in the departure Area. I believe they will start construction on two new gates in January.

Adding to the congestion now is the USA insistence that BZE also do official (by immigration officers, not airline/airport personnel) passport checks exiting the country. This started June 1. Feel like we have gone back to the republic days.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 7508 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 113):
Adding to the congestion now is the USA insistence that BZE also do official (by immigration officers, not airline/airport personnel) passport checks exiting the country. This started June 1. Feel like we have gone back to the republic days.

Isn't that a hint from U.S.A. that BZE should get its own U.S. Port of Entry like NAS or AUA?
Just visited NAS for the 1st time and non-U.S. departures have no Bahamas official doing passport control.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 115, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7489 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 114):
Adding to the congestion now is the USA insistence that BZE also do official (by immigration officers, not airline/airport personnel) passport checks exiting the country.

I've never gotten how the US can demand something that they're not willing to do.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 112):
GUA brand new but not fully used, unlikely to see other airport serving guatemala city in the future, FRS desert you almost don't see people and taxi drivers fight outside for the little tourists arriving, sad to see.

And that's the reason for my signature hehe



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 116, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week ago) and read 7456 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 114):
Isn't that a hint from U.S.A. that BZE should get its own U.S. Port of Entry like NAS or AUA?
Just visited NAS for the 1st time and non-U.S. departures have no Bahamas official doing passport control.

I believe not only do you have to pay the USA fees to do pre clearance but you also have to have minimum traffic levels....500K I believe.

Quoting aer (Reply 115):
I've never gotten how the US can demand something that they're not willing to do.

its "diplomatic pressure". Sometimes its justified. SOmetimes it is not.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 117, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 116):
Quoting aer (Reply 115):
I've never gotten how the US can demand something that they're not willing to do.

its "diplomatic pressure"

C'mon strip away the euphemisms and call it what it is: imperialism.



Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7338 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 116):
I believe not only do you have to pay the USA fees to do pre clearance but you also have to have minimum traffic levels....500K I believe.

And how far is BZE from reaching 500K U.S. bound passengers?



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 119, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7313 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 118):
And how far is BZE from reaching 500K U.S. bound passengers?

200K to go!



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 120, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7158 times:

Here is the midday "bank" at BZE last Saturday.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7058 times:

as per today's Prensa AF will start 3 weekly CDG-PTY later this year   

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/economia/vuelo-directo-paris/186169

this is a surprise as everybody was expecting LH   



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 121):

as per today's Prensa AF will start 3 weekly CDG-PTY later this year   

Beating LH to PTY. Nice move AF.

So PTY will have IB, KL and AF. Only BA and LH of the majors remain.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6995 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 122):
So PTY will have IB, KL and AF. Only BA and LH of the majors remain.

From Europe, shouldn't you add ever expanding Star Alliance TK to that list?
Don't see Star Alliance TP studying possible PTY service.

I'd have thought that AF would 1st try PTY as ORY via FDF, not a non-stop.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 124, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6940 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 121):
as per today's Prensa

Interesting turn of events.. "Los acercamientos entre Panamá y Air France comenzaron hace tres años, y en un inicio se manejaba la posibilidad que fuera una frecuencia compartida con Costa Rica, pero al final la compañía decidió establecer un vuelo directo a Tocumen" — the infamous Chinchilla administration has dropped the ball, again.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 123):
non-stop

No mention of a nonstop flight is made.. in fact, the words vuelo directo appear three times in the text.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 8
Reply 125, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6933 times:

AFAIK vuelo directo means through flight (single flight from origin to destination with one or more intermediate stops) — as opposed to vuelo sin escalas which implies no stopping enroute.

[Edited 2013-06-20 12:00:25]


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 123):
I'd have thought that AF would 1st try PTY as ORY via FDF, not a non-stop

That would be dead in the water. Better shot at making it work CDG-SJO-PTY-CDG, but in the face on n/s KL and IB....a shared flight will be tough for AF to sell to premium pax.

Having said that AF surely has access to KLs data on PTY and must know what they are doing. Perhaps send the low yield with AF making some room on the KL flight for higher yield last minute stuff.

Cargo may be a driving force too....



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 127, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6955 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 126):
Having said that AF surely has access to KLs data on PTY and must know what they are doing. Perhaps send the low yield with AF making some room on the KL flight for higher yield last minute stuff.

Sure it was more likely that AF saw how much of KL PTY traffic (O/D or CM hub) was French and thought it was due time for the CDG-PTY.
BA/VS don't have access to KL UK-PTY (hub) traffic numbers, so BA LGW-PTY rumours have remained just rumours.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 128, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6932 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 127):
BA/VS don't have access to KL UK-PTY (hub) traffic numbers,

Well BA can get those....what they can't get is the more important yield numbers and cargo numbers. Those two are what separate successful flight from failures.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

I bet CM will have similar traffic agreement with AF as the one they have with KL  

it will be interesting to know the flight shedule (likely to arrive around 4:00 pm in PTY to link with afternoon flights) and the equiepment (772 ??? )



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User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 130, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6873 times:

Great news for Panama!   

Airlines, Y U NO send more longhaul flights to GUA?   

According to an email I just received from the local AF representation, flights start on November 25, will operate 3x weekly (Monday, Thursday, Saturday) with a 772.

AF474 - leaves CDG 13:30, arrives at PTY 18:30
AF475 - leaves PTY 22:00, arrives at CDG 14:10 next day

It's arriving 2 hours after the AMS-PTY flight, but there is still chance to connect with CM's evening flights out of PTY.

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 124):
No mention of a nonstop flight is made.. in fact, the words vuelo directo appear three times in the text.

While you're right about the terminology, the flights will indeed be nonstop.

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 129):
I bet CM will have similar traffic agreement with AF as the one they have with KL

No codeshare published in the GDS yet, but I am able to price the whole itinerary including CM flights. The email I received mentions this:

Esta nueva ruta complementará la oferta de KLM de un vuelo diario desde Ámsterdam-Schiphol y ofrecerá a los clientes de Air France y de KLM más conexiones, gracias al "hub" de Copa Airlines en el aeropuerto de Ciudad de Panamá-Tocumen, en particular a Costa Rica, Ecuador, Guatemala y Nicaragua.

(quick translation: "This route will complement KLM's offer of one daily flight from Amsterdam-Schiphol and will offer more connections to Air France and KLM customers, thanks to the Copa Airlines hub in Panama City-Tocumen Airport, particularly to Costa Rica, Ecuador, Guatemala and Nicaragua.")

So I guess there will be codesharing just like with the KL flights  



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 131, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6856 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 121):
AF will start 3 weekly CDG-PTY later this year

Smart move for Air France !




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 123):
AF would 1st try PTY as ORY via FDF, not a non-stop

It's completely unappealing regarding the dedicated flights on KL AMS-PTY and IB MAD-PTY.




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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 124):
"Los acercamientos entre Panamá y Air France comenzaron hace tres años, y en un inicio se manejaba la posibilidad que fuera una frecuencia compartida con Costa Rica, pero al final la compañía decidió establecer un vuelo directo a Tocumen"

AF CDG-SJO 7x weekly was rumored on this board, almost ten years ago. I still recall the single announcement close to Parque de la Paz and alongside the carretera de circunvalación.
Suddenly, KL AMS-PTY started in 2007 with MD-11 and that flight was gradually upgraded up to KL AMS-PTY 7x weekly with 777 for the meantime.
CM operates code-share flights on behalf of KL in Central America. Thus, any possibility of AF in Costa Rica is even more than reduced.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 127):
AF saw how much of KL PTY traffic (O/D or CM hub) was French and thought it was due time for the CDG-PTY.

Few Latin American cities are now experiencing the dual service on both KL and AF.




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Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 130):
So I guess there will be codesharing just like with the KL flights

That makes a lot of sense.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

Panama will pay AF $4.5MM over 3 years to support the start of the direct CDG - PTY as per today's Prensa. Also, it says that 5.678 french citizens visited Panama over the first 4 months of 2013 (10% higher vs. year ago).

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/econom...millones-dolares-air-france/186432



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 133, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6724 times:

Bust out the checkbook Shamah! Thats an expensive addition to the PTY lineup.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 134, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6693 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 133):
Bust out the checkbook Shamah! Thats an expensive addition to the PTY lineup.

I understand some promotion-related expenses from AF part for the new route, but if sales really take off and if the empty seats numbers are negligible, Would Shamah (Panama Tourist Authority) pay AF the full USD4.5million?

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 128):
Well BA can get those....what they can't get is the more important yield numbers and cargo numbers. Those two are what separate successful flight from failures.

BA yields and cargo are still unattractive with all that CM code-share PTY hub traffic BA could be getting?
It's not that PTY+CM are demanding BA squeeze non-stop PTY flights in tightly slot-restricted LHR, PTY wants non-stop to LON and will be pleased with LGW.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 135, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 134):
I understand some promotion-related expenses from AF part for the new route, but if sales really take off and if the empty seats numbers are negligible, Would Shamah (Panama Tourist Authority) pay AF the full USD4.5million?

If I read the article correctly it is a subsidy not a revenue guarantee..which are two entirely different things to airlines. or is that some reporter screwing up his reporting?



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 136, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

The new AF CDG-PTY 3x weekly complementing KL AMS-PTY 7x weekly might block the intended incursion of LH in Panama City later.
It's interesting how CM sustains code-share agreements with both KL and IB. However, there's no any European carrier involved within Star Alliance at PTY yet.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 137, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6533 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 130):
Airlines, Y U NO send more longhaul flights to GUA?

You said it.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 136):
The new AF CDG-PTY 3x weekly complementing KL AMS-PTY 7x weekly might block the intended incursion of LH in Panama City later.

Guess they might check SAL now.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 138, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6435 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 137):
Guess they might check SAL now.

Interesting ! LH heading to another Star Alliance hub in Central America.
LH FRA-BOG already sustains code-share agreements with AV at BOG and perhaps they would expand the coverage through SAL, not PTY.
This might be the equation:

Iberia [One World] and KLM/Air France [SkyTeam]: Copa Airlines supplies their Central American flights through PTY
Lufthansa [Star Alliance]: Avianca supplies their Central American flights through SAL.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 139, posted (1 year 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

There is an extra on saturday flight bookable in Delta page from LAX-GUA-LAX

Flight will be operated with 757-200

Delta 355 LAX 10:30 am - GUA 5:05 pm
Delta 387 GUA 6:20 pm - LAX 9:29 pm

Juanchito



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 140, posted (1 year 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 139):
There is an extra on saturday flight bookable in Delta page from LAX-GUA-LAX

Flight will be operated with 757-200

Delta 355 LAX 10:30 am - GUA 5:05 pm
Delta 387 GUA 6:20 pm - LAX 9:29 pm

Plus a SJO-JFK And a Sat only LIR-LAX. Delta starting to grow into C. America now.

So far Over the past few months we have seen (announced)
Extra ATL-GUA/BZE
New LAX-SJO/BZE/LIR
New JFK-GUA/SJO
New MSP-SJO
Eqp upgrades on ATL-RTB.

And I have a feeling there is more to come. SAP and SAL, maybe even PTY should be next in the Route Planner crosshairs.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 141, posted (1 year 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 140):
maybe even PTY should be next in the Route Planner crosshairs.

DL JFK-PTY and LAX-PTY would face strong CM competition.
DL DTW-PTY and/pr MSP-PTY may seem more reasonable, even if perhaps not good for daily service.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 142, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 139):
There is an extra on saturday flight bookable in Delta page from LAX-GUA-LAX

Flight will be operated with 757-200

Delta 355 LAX 10:30 am - GUA 5:05 pm
Delta 387 GUA 6:20 pm - LAX 9:29 pm

Effective: November 02nd.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 140):
Plus a SJO-JFK

DL SJO-JFK 7x weekly is due to begin on December 19th.
The seasonal AA JFK-SJO 7x weekly will be resumed on November 22nd.
It's remarkable how quickly TA/LR [SJO-JFK] will be replaced.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 140):
And a Sat only LIR-LAX. Delta starting to grow into C. America now.

This is part of their collection of new flights operating exclusively on Saturdays:

DL LAX-BZE 1x weekly. Effective: December 21.
DL JFK-GUA 1x weekly. Effective: December 21.
DL MSP-SJO 1x weekly. Effective: December 21.
DL LAX-LIR 1x weekly. Effective: December 21.

All these flights might operate seasonally.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 141):
DL JFK-PTY and LAX-PTY would face strong CM competition.

Agreed. The situation in San Jose is totally different due to the sudden demise of both TA/LR [SJO-JFK] and TA/LR [SJO-LAX].

Regards



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 143, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 142):

I can't speak for the rest but LAX BZE is due to be year round.


Today I got my first 788 flight + an extra 35 min of circling due to storms at ORD . Beautiful aircraft though I think UA could have been a bit more adventurous with the economy seating. The 737 seats are unbecoming of this gorgeous aircraft IMHO. Here is the view from 16L... My E+ seat.



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 144, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Is UA's GUA-IAD getting axed?


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 145, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5952 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 144):
Is UA's GUA-IAD getting axed?

Seasonal reduction, methinks... It seems to be operating until August 24, then it's back from December 21 onwards.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5939 times:
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Sad to hear this. The route was supposed to be year round and I thought the flight was doing well. I guess maybe the timings are off? (Which I doubt since it is a very comfortable schedule) are other IAD-Central America flights being reduced?


avi8
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 147, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5897 times:

IAD-GUA is going seasonal. My info suggests that at least that is the plan right now anyway.


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

AV in BZE yesterday....first time the AV c/s has appeared in the ground there that i know of



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5818 times: