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AA Airbus 319 Routes From DFW  
User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 645 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 24612 times:

Posted on AA flight attendant webpage today:

We’ll take delivery of our new A319s beginning in July 2013 through 2017 and anticipate beginning service in September 2013. The A319s are scheduled to initially fly between Dallas/Fort Worth and the following cities:

•Beginning Sept. 16: Charlotte, N.C.; Cleveland, Ohio; Memphis, Tenn.; Wichita, Kan.
•Beginning Oct. 1: Dayton, Ohio; Lubbock, Texas
•Beginning Oct. 14: El Paso, Texas; Huntsville, Ala.; McAllen, Texas; Toronto, Canada
•Beginning Nov. 1: San Salvador, El Salvador
•Beginning Dec. 19: Vail, Colo.; Crested Butte, Colo.; Jackson Hole, Wyo.

AA ORD

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User currently offlinePDX88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 24613 times:

LBB? That one seems a little out there, especially since they haven't even started resuming mainline service there yet. The MD80s will start flying there again in June. Will the A319s replace those or is LBB expected to go all mainline?

User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 24525 times:

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 1):
LBB? That one seems a little out there,

Given the limited fleet, they might have had only enough time in the day to do a 3 hour rotation somewhere. True they could have done AUS/SAT/IAH etc.


User currently offlinePDX88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 24381 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 2):
True they could have done AUS/SAT/IAH etc.

+ LIT/MSY/OKC/XNA/?CRP?.

With all the others, AA is sending the A319 into mainline routes with weak load factors. If they were looking for equipment utilization for a 3 hour quick run, IAH, LIT, or OKC would have gotten my vote first.


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2480 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 24338 times:
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ICT and MEM surprise me. Do they even fly mainline to these cities?

I assume ICT could help protect the route with WN now on it.



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User currently onlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 24333 times:

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 3):

IAH needs the capacity and is not low yielding. Shame they didn't add a 9th daily service on peak days with it though   although that is probably a selfish request.


User currently offlinemfe777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 24178 times:

Woohoo! I am so glad McAllen will see the new A319s!! I live in Dallas but travel to my hometown of McAllen/Mission to see my family, and I am ready to see the MD80's fly into the sunset. They put in great service, but it is time to modernize.

User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 24146 times:

Bummer, was hoping to see MCI on the list

User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7127 posts, RR: 87
Reply 8, posted (10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 24078 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 2):
True they could have done AUS/SAT/IAH etc.

  

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User currently offlineQ From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 189 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 24031 times:

Crested Butte doesn't have airport. It's actually Gunnison, Colorado (KGUC).

Q


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 24037 times:

I was thinking they'd be deployed on longer routes like PDX, which still see MD-80s. ::hint hint hint::  


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User currently offlineTUSAA From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 23907 times:

First A319 arrives TULE on July, 24th.

User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 23623 times:
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The first one has its tail already painted. Theres pics on jetnet. Im wondering if we will get our first look at the airplane once it is completely painted at the Paris Air Show.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 23615 times:

Quoting Q (Reply 9):
Crested Butte doesn't have airport. It's actually Gunnison, Colorado (KGUC).

The airport is known as "Gunnison-Crested Butte Regional Airport". Elevation (7,678 ft asl) must be among the highest of U.S. airports with scheduled service. It's about 360 ft. higher than MEX and about 2,200 ft. higher than DEN.


User currently offlineTheGov From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 23542 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 4):
ICT and MEM surprise me. Do they even fly mainline to these cities?

Yes, to MEM. Mostly the MD-80 while I did see a 738 a while back.



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User currently offlineQ From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 189 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 23310 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):

OK, thanks for explained. It must've changed add new name airport. I didn't know.

Q


User currently offlineIndependence76 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 23145 times:

Why haven't these flights and the A319 been put into their reservation system?


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5953 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 23132 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 7):
Bummer, was hoping to see MCI on the list

Yay! TPA is NOT on the list.......MD-80s forever !!!!!!!   



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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 22969 times:
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[quote=Independence76,reply=16][/quote

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User currently offline9lflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22571 times:

I heard LIT was getting them too.


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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1038 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22582 times:

Here you go :
. Of course it has a German flag on the tail because the aircraft is registered in Germany until delivery to AA. The aircraft will be reregistered in the US and the flag will be removed .

[Edited 2013-05-31 20:49:49]

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2880 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22398 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
I was thinking they'd be deployed on longer routes like PDX, which still see MD-80s. ::hint hint hint::

I think that AA will replace the M80 with the 738 for DFW-PDX service, as the returning ORD-PDX flights will be operating with 738's. But I am with you brother, those tired M80s need to go, as is planned. PDX is still AA's longest distance M80 route. I have been flying AA from PDX since before the M80 was in the AA fleet. I remember flying AA 727-100/200 aircraft to DFW, EUG, SEA and ORD out of PDX since the early to mid 80's. Yikes, that is 30 years.... I'm showing my age.   



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 22, posted (10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22257 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 21):
I think that AA will replace the M80 with the 738 for DFW-PDX service, as the returning ORD-PDX flights will be operating with 738's.

I'm sure you're right, but I was hoping for at least one 319—that might prompt the return of the red-eye to DFW. I still like aspects of the MD-80, but if its expense to run causes us to sacrifice service, I'll take a 737 or 319 on the route instead.



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User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22179 times:

I'm looking forward to seeing the new type in the fleet. Something new to photograph as well!

User currently offlineMrBuzzcut From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22057 times:

I was surprised to see ELP on the list, I figured ELP would be one of the last stations to see a new type, mainly because it is a relatively short segment (1:20 or so) and the load factors are good, or have been every time I've flown out of there on AA, so the chances of having anything other than the MD-80 flying those routes until the bitter end seemed remote at best.

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2880 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22769 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):

I'm sure you're right, but I was hoping for at least one 319—that might prompt the return of the red-eye to DFW. I still like aspects of the MD-80, but if its expense to run causes us to sacrifice service, I'll take a 737 or 319 on the route instead.

I am pretty sure any A319 coming from DFW to PDX will unfortunately be on NK and not AA. And after having taken the NK 319 to DFW and back, I know that AAs would be much preferred. Everytime I've taken the red eye to DFW it's been full. I know it has been seasonal.



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User currently offlinenwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 687 posts, RR: 14
Reply 26, posted (10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22844 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 20):
Here you go :

Up close the tail looks OK- at a distance it is just too much. As a US (soon to be AA) employee, I can only hope the tail is modified. The fuselage and the bold "American" titles are just fine-- but that tail.

In any event it will be nice and interesting to see an Airbus in AA colors before US planes start to get painted.



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User currently offlineyycspotter From Canada, joined Jul 2012, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 23165 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 21):
PDX is still AA's longest distance M80 route.

Actually, when it was still flown by M80s (now flown by 738s) YYC was their longest route i believe



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User currently offlineHNL From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 23052 times:

Quoting yycspotter (Reply 27):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 21):
PDX is still AA's longest distance M80 route.

Actually, when it was still flown by M80s (now flown by 738s) YYC was their longest route i believe

Historically the longest AA MD80 route was ORD-SFO at 1846 miles. DFW-YYC is 1523



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4124 posts, RR: 6
Reply 29, posted (10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 23025 times:

CLT is right about the same time the merger closes...so it will be interesting to see if US metal loses a frequency at the same time.

User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1038 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 22870 times:

US AC will begin being painted in Sep . All deliveries scheduled after merger closing will be delivered in new AA Branding .

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2880 posts, RR: 5
Reply 31, posted (10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 22334 times:

Quoting yycspotter (Reply 27):
Actually, when it was still flown by M80s (now flown by 738s) YYC was their longest route i believe
Quoting HNL (Reply 28):
Historically the longest AA MD80 route was ORD-SFO at 1846 miles. DFW-YYC is 1523

I was referring to currently operating flights. Next longest currently is DFW-FAT, IIRC.



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User currently offlinePDX88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (10 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 21640 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 31):

The longest current MD80 routes for AA are:

ORD-SJD - 1807 miles
ORD-PSP - 1652 miles
DFW-PDX - 1616 miles
LAX-STL - 1592 miles
ORD-LAS - 1514 miles
ORD-PHX - 1440 miles
DFW-SJC - 1438 miles
ORD-TUS - 1437 miles
DFW-SMF - 1431 miles
DFW-LGA - 1389 miles
DFW-EWR - 1376 miles
DFW-FAT - 1313 miles...nowhere close to 2nd longest

If I missed any let me know.

[Edited 2013-06-01 02:16:45]

[Edited 2013-06-01 02:21:59]

User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2179 posts, RR: 12
Reply 33, posted (10 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 21195 times:

Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
The A319s are scheduled to initially fly between Dallas/Fort Worth and the following cities:

•Beginning Sept. 16: Charlotte, N.C.; Cleveland, Ohio; Memphis, Tenn.; Wichita, Kan.

MEM received MD-80 service on AA's first day with the type; AA's first MD-80 routes were DFW-ONT/MEM/BNA/DTW.

So, MEM is the only city that can say they were served on the first day of both AA MD-80s and A319s.



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User currently onlineUA735WL From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 20730 times:



Quoting PDX88 (Reply 32):

I know AA flies M80s from ORD and LAX to AUS- how long are those routes?



Cheers,  


Jonas

[Edited 2013-06-01 04:45:31]


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 20499 times:

http://gc.kls2.com/

ORD-AUS - 978 miles
LAX-AUS - 1242 miles



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User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20204 times:

Historically, hasn't the Super 80 served both DFW and ORD to YVR? That to me would seem a fairly long route for the aircraft? I also thought in previous years it flew DFW to BDL, PVD, and BOS.


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 37, posted (10 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19451 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 17):
Yay! TPA is NOT on the list.......MD-80s forever !!!!!!!

I have to say for once I agree with you on something...

but you know damn well when you find out that AA is bringing an A319 to TPA, you will be the first one out there trying to get a picture of it.


User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (10 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19366 times:

I would think DFW-CVG and CMH could sustain a A319. There is no mainline CVG-DFW its all American Eagle and Delta Connection.

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19072 times:
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Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
Beginning Oct. 14: El Paso
Quoting MrBuzzcut (Reply 24):
I was surprised to see ELP on the list, I figured ELP would be one of the last stations to see a new type, mainly because it is a relatively short segment (1:20 or so) and the load factors are good, or have been every time I've flown out of there on AA, so the chances of having anything other than the MD-80 flying those routes until the bitter end seemed remote at best.

Every MD80 I've ever flown DFW-ELP has been 100% full.

But don't 319s have fewer seats than MD80s?

That's not going to work.   


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 18797 times:
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From what I understand AA has decided on a final configuration of 8F 112Y (incl MCE).

User currently offlinercoulter From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 18735 times:

RNO-DFW is around 1360mi from what I can tell, not the longest but up there. The return is about 1430mi as well.

[Edited 2013-06-01 08:08:40]

User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18557 times:

A bit off topic sorry. When will the 319s be comming to MIA?

What routes will they initially fly out of MIA?


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18260 times:
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Quoting mia305 (Reply 42):
A bit off topic sorry. When will the 319s be comming to MIA?

What routes will they initially fly out of MIA?

IMHO I dont think it will be till sometime in 2014 at the earliest. For now I think the main focus of the 319s will be to dump 80 routes. Since MIA does not have 80s not as urgent for now.


User currently offlineClipper136 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 311 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18193 times:

Quoting nwcoflyer (Reply 26):
Up close the tail looks OK- at a distance it is just too much

Funny. Having seen it up close in person; I have the exact opposite reaction. Form a distance.....tolerable.....up close.....way to busy.
There is even a shade of orange in there......Orange???? One things for sure...that tail stands out in a crowd. Instantly recognizable. Maybe that is what they were going for?

But I will say that I think they got the rest absolutely 100% correct. The grey (silver?), the billboard name and the logo all work. Now if they would just put something, anything, on that darn naked winglet.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3369 posts, RR: 3
Reply 45, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18115 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 30):
US AC will begin being painted in Sep . All deliveries scheduled after merger closing will be delivered in new AA Branding .

Not that I doubt you, but source?



PHX based
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 46, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17980 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 45):
Not that I doubt you, but source?

Does it need a source? It should be easy to deduce that if the expected closing date of the merger is Aug. 31st, then US planes would begin getting a repaint in Sept.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offline9lflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17841 times:

Now I'm confused, will these models have sharklets?


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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1038 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17753 times:

I am your source .. I have no reason to give you false info  

User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17665 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 39):
But don't 319s have fewer seats than MD80s?

8F/18MCE/102Y. I was surprised to see the F cabin is going to be so small. Very unlike AA.

Quoting 9lflyguy (Reply 47):
Now I'm confused, will these models have sharklets?

Yes, they will all have sharklets. I believe the first AA A319 is the test aircraft for the Sharklet.



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User currently offlinelindberghflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17286 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 40):

8f would def be controversial with AAs frequent flyers. Even US uses 12f.


User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6177 posts, RR: 11
Reply 51, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17176 times:

I am assuming post merger the PMUS fleet will go down to 8F seats as well.


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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3369 posts, RR: 3
Reply 52, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17134 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 46):
Does it need a source? It should be easy to deduce that if the expected closing date of the merger is Aug. 31st, then US planes would begin getting a repaint in Sept.

Considering we've had several people claiming that US is going to scrap the new livery in favor of a different one, yes, I would like to see a source. See, this is the internet. Anyone can say anything, but that doesn't make them informed or a credible source of info.

Quoting etops1 (Reply 48):
I am your source .. I have no reason to give you false info

Again, do you have a credible source or is this just an assumption you've made?



PHX based
User currently offlinelindberghflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17104 times:

Delta will stay 12f so this could be a problem for AA. Delta also has a stronger network and a better revenue and cost structure so AA might be getting a little ahead of themselves with this downgrading of Aircraft (and probably AAdvantage is next). Hopefully these aircraft will stay confined to routes where this wont matter.

User currently offlineMrBuzzcut From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 17022 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 39):
Every MD80 I've ever flown DFW-ELP has been 100% full.

But don't 319s have fewer seats than MD80s?

That's not going to work.

Yeah, that was the point I was having trouble making. With AA filling MD-80's pretty much all of the time, putting 20 less seats on each flight on the route doesn't make a lot of sense for me, especially since it is a relatively short flight so the gains in fuel efficiency between models would seem to be minimal.

We shall see....


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 55, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 16992 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 52):
Considering we've had several people claiming that US is going to scrap the new livery in favor of a different one, yes, I would like to see a source.

What's to prevent US from selecting a new livery to paint on their planes in September? I realize you'd like to see something in writing posted somewhere, but doubt you'll find it. There's been no release of details regarding a revamped livery. Regardless, logic dictates that once the merger is closed, US will begin to repaint their planes in whatever livery that will be the AA livery going forward. Choose to believe or not as you wish.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3369 posts, RR: 3
Reply 56, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 16952 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 55):
There's been no release of details regarding a revamped livery. Regardless, logic dictates that once the merger is closed, US will begin to repaint their planes in whatever livery that will be the AA livery going forward.

I don't believe US/AA is going to change the livery, but I'm just slightly skeptical when I see someone making assertions one way or the other.

For the sake of argument, let's pretend Dougie is going to change the livery. Does it make any sense to paint the PMUS aircraft into the current AA livery only to have to change it several months later when they decide on a different livery?



PHX based
User currently offlinelindberghflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 16682 times:

DP has not committed to keeping it, and has indicated that changing will be considered. It is possible that he will ultimately conclude that changing it again will not be worth the price but I do believe that he is considering the possibility. Why would he lie about this, it's not like the creditors care (in fact they would if anything prefer the cheapest route which would be to finish the repaint). This is why IMO he is earnest when he says changing it is on the table; he may very well see the long term branding value in going with a different design.

User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1038 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 16668 times:

777STL . What I do know as fact is that DP and team has not made a final decision on changing the scheme or not . It's really " up in the air " right now . No pun intended. As far as a source , yes . I have very credible sources but I cannot share info about them . Either way , this is really no secret . US planes will be repainted in whatever the AA branding will be in September . I don't post bogus stuff . Take care .

[Edited 2013-06-01 11:41:25]

User currently offlinePDX88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 16491 times:

I see a strategical issue with having more F seats on the CR7s than the A319s. Is this seating layout for sure?

User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 984 posts, RR: 5
Reply 60, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 16346 times:

United also has only 2 rows of F on the A319s.... so maybe the days of a larger F cabin are gone, or going.


xx
User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4057 posts, RR: 1
Reply 61, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 16167 times:

Will these routes be a permanent change from the MD 80 or are they just familiarization flights for the crews.


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User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 62, posted (10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 15645 times:

which CFM56-5B did AA order for the A319?
CFM56-5B6 or CFM56-5B7?
Cheers, Mercure


User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15173 times:

Happy to see OKC not on this list. I'm hoping OKC retains S80 service forever! Well at least to the very end. It's a perfect route to keep it on - not like you're gaining much efficiency on a 30 minute flight. Plus they go out quite full most of the time (in my experience anyway).

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 64, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15002 times:
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When will AA start A319 Miami flights.

User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6177 posts, RR: 11
Reply 65, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14978 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 64):
When will AA start A319 Miami flights

I believe someone posted above the focus for the time being was going to be out of DFW to replace some Super 80 flying. Apparently MIA won't be seeing them soon. That being said I thinkwith the rangle of this place this could be a nice addition to some thin medium haul routes out of MIA.



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1661 posts, RR: 11
Reply 66, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14977 times:

As someone mentioned above, it's interesting that AA has chosen to reduce the number of F seats by 50%, even below that of the CR7. I figured a cabin of 12 seats would have been reasonable for the size of the airplane, but 8 just seems very small especially by AA standards. Less free Executive Platinum upgrades I suppose..


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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14973 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 46):
Does it need a source?

Actually, yes.

You speak with the authority of a paint foreman with a confidential memo in hand.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 68, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15040 times:

Sounds like with the small F cabins....only the paying F customers will set up front. Upgrades will have to settle for Premium Economy....maybe that is the way is should be   


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 69, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14990 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 67):
You speak with the authority of a paint foreman with a confidential memo in hand.

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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14924 times:
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Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 66):
Less free Executive Platinum upgrades I suppose..

And fewer for-purchase upgrades at the kiosks.


User currently offlineKD5MDK From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14259 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 68):

Sounds like with the small F cabins....only the paying F customers will set up front. Upgrades will have to settle for Premium Economy....maybe that is the way is should be   

On the one hand, I can't commercially complain. On the other hand, if I have status on UA and AA, and am buying a Y or B fare, availability of F may determine which airline I put it on, since UA autoupgrades Y/B fares to F for elites.

We've had two conflicting posts about the configuration. One was 8F 112Y, the other was 8F, 18 MCE, 102Y. Those are significantly different...


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4057 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14249 times:

Quoting doulasc (Reply 38):

I would think DFW-CVG and CMH could sustain a A319. There is no mainline CVG-DFW its all American Eagle and Delta Connection.

Therein lies the reason for only American Eagle and Delta Connection, the airlines don't see the demand for main line aircraft.



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User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2880 posts, RR: 7
Reply 73, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14225 times:

Quoting EMB170 (Reply 36):
Historically, hasn't the Super 80 served both DFW and ORD to YVR?

Yes, AA has at times had the MD80 on YVR-DFW. Usually it's been scheduled as a 757. SEA-DFW has often been AA's longest MD-80 route. The AA SEA station manager pushed for AA to put 757s on SEA-DFW at time around 2002 when it was all MD-80s, so there would be some IFE, since it was AA's longest MD-80 route.


User currently offlinenwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 687 posts, RR: 14
Reply 74, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14179 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 58):

He is right. As Somone who is gainfully employed by US he hasn't said anything that isn't factual.



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User currently offlineHNL From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 75, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14119 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 73):

Yes, AA has at times had the MD80 on YVR-DFW. Usually it's been scheduled as a 757. SEA-DFW has often been AA's longest MD-80 route. The AA SEA station manager pushed for AA to put 757s on SEA-DFW at time around 2002 when it was all MD-80s, so there would be some IFE, since it was AA's longest MD-80 route.

... From DFW. As is evidenced up thread ORD-SFO was AA Longest MD80 Route.



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User currently onlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 76, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14064 times:

Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
•Beginning Oct. 14: El Paso, Texas

As I predicted...makes perfect sense on this route   The Mad Dog is too much capacity...back in the day, the route was a mixture of F-100's and MD-80's.



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User currently onlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 77, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14001 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 39):
Every MD80 I've ever flown DFW-ELP has been 100% full.But don't 319s have fewer seats than MD80s?That's not going to work.

There used to be about 6 daily frequencies, and about a 50/50 mix of F100's and MD-80's...

There used to be a DAILY DC-10 run in the 80's, which turned into an occasional DC-10 substitution when seasonal demand warranted it, until 1991 or so, about the same time AA retired the DC-10-10 fleet.

[Edited 2013-06-01 22:33:49]


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 78, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13991 times:

I wonder, could DFW-ABQ see the A319 in the future? Or will it more likely go all 738 after all MD-80s are retired? I don't see AA using the A321 on this route, as AA hasn't flown the 757 into ABQ in over a decade (DL is the only one who typically does nowadays from ATL in the spring and summer, although UA may bring one in from DEN on rare occasions).

[Edited 2013-06-01 22:32:34]


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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 79, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13812 times:
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Its confirmed that it will be 8 in FC and 120 in MC. I'm not sure yet about the MCE numbers but I would would think 18 then 102 regular MC sounds just about right. And that is a perfect configuration for several Lat. America trips I have flown that are not very business class oriented.

User currently offlineClipper136 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 311 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13679 times:

Confirmed from AA.com. 8F (Row 1-2) 18Y+ (MCE rows 8-10) 102Y (Rows 11-27)

User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13424 times:
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Quoting HNL (Reply 75):
As is evidenced up thread ORD-SFO was AA Longest MD80 Route.

Actually for a brief period in the late 80s AA flew LAXIAD with the S80s. That was the longest ever!


User currently offlinerunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2153 posts, RR: 36
Reply 82, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

Quoting Clipper136 (Reply 80):
Confirmed from AA.com. 8F (Row 1-2) 18Y+ (MCE rows 8-10) 102Y (Rows 11-27)

Weird to see Row 1 on AA on something different than a 777.

It seems weird that they didn't start it off at row 3 like they do with their MD-80s/738s.

I'm a bit surprised about the 8F too, really expected 12F. Compared to DL, AA's configuration only gives them 2 more seats (128 vs 126), whilst having 4 less First. Very surprising.


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13217 times:
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Also kind of weird the the configuration/numbering of the seats in F at A-C D-F. AA has ALWAYS on the narrowbodies done A-B E-F..

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3963 posts, RR: 8
Reply 84, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12877 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 78):
I wonder, could DFW-ABQ see the A319 in the future? Or will it more likely go all 738 after all MD-80s are retired? I don't see AA using the A321 on this route, as AA hasn't flown the 757 into ABQ in over a decade

I think DFW-ABQ would be a perfect route for the A319, albeit with one or two 738 mixed in.


User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12823 times:

Quoting runway23 (Reply 82):

With the route pairs that have been posted here, 8F seems to be a perfect mix.

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 66):

The F seats on the CR7 and soon the E75 aren't really worthy of being called F seats, they're marginally wider than the Y seats and no more or no less comfortable than Y seats. I won't complain, but then again, I'm one of the few people who actually pay for F every where I fly rather than expect an upgrade, get mad when I don't get one, then send a complaint letter to the airline about not getting one.



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User currently onlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 86, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12767 times:

Quoting Clipper136 (Reply 80):

Confirmed from AA.com. 8F (Row 1-2) 18Y+ (MCE rows 8-10) 102Y (Rows 11-27)

Clearly this is an indication of the missions AA plans to utilize the 319s for. Less F class seats suggests lower premium demand markets for either short haul or thin longer haul markets. For example, I wouldn't expect to see them DFW-PDX.

How does this configuration compare to US? I wonder if we can expect a change post merger.


User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12702 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 86):

US A319s are 12F/112Y



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12646 times:
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Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 85):
With the route pairs that have been posted here, 8F seems to be a perfect mix.
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 86):
Confirmed from AA.com. 8F (Row 1-2) 18Y+ (MCE rows 8-10) 102Y (Rows 11-27)
Clearly this is an indication of the missions AA plans to utilize the 319s for. Less F class seats suggests lower premium demand markets for either short haul or thin longer haul markets. For example, I wouldn't expect to see them DFW-PDX.
Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 87):
US A319s are 12F/112Y

Yet, US 319s fly everywhere. In the last six months, I've flown US 319s DCA-CLT, DCA-SAN, SAN-PHX, LGB-PHX, and PHX-YYC -- transcon routes, short, high-frequency routes, and long, thin routes. On the other hand, UA flies 319s transcon IAD-DCA-BWI-EWR to SFO every day of the week with only 8F and also fly short-route, high-frequency up and down the California coast SAN-SNA-LAX to SFO and SFO to PDX-SEA.

So for whatever reason, 12F works for US and 8F works for UA while doing the same work.

Btw, AA's 8F, 18Y+, 102Y seems closer to UA than US.

[Edited 2013-06-02 13:15:30]

User currently onlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 89, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 12465 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 63):
Happy to see OKC not on this list. I'm hoping OKC retains S80 service forever! Well at least to the very end. It's a perfect route to keep it on - not like you're gaining much efficiency on a 30 minute flight. Plus they go out quite full most of the time (in my experience anyway).

As long as AA is fixing them in OKC, I'm pretty sure you will see MD-80's there...   Makes sense to get some money out of them when they're coming and going...



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User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 12389 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 83):
Also kind of weird the the configuration/numbering of the seats in F at A-C D-F. AA has ALWAYS on the narrowbodies done A-B E-F..

I'm guessing now with the merger, that this has to do with maintaining commonality between AA's A319 fleet and US's. US already does ACDF for F on its narrowbodies, and this is (from what I understand) a seat mapping issue...in other words, every "A" seat is a left-side window, "C" the left aisle, and so on. This way, once the merger happens, if a route was scheduled with a PMUS A319 and a PMAA A319 shows up instead, the gate agents don't have to start from scratch with a new seat map and ask everyone to check in again.



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User currently offlinejetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2725 posts, RR: 34
Reply 91, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 12387 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 89):
As long as AA is fixing them in OKC, I'm pretty sure you will see MD-80's there...   Makes sense to get some money out of them when they're coming and going...

Except for AA does not have Maintenance in OKC, that is TUL...



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User currently onlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 92, posted (10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 12386 times:

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 91):
Except for AA does not have Maintenance in OKC, that is TUL...

Oops...well, it's a short hop from OKC to TUL via a jet...  



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12094 times:

It seems to me that if AA only has 8 seats in F on the A319s, it would make some sense to put those on routes that don't have as many road warriors, i.e., leisure routes. To me, any route to Florida, other than MIA, would make sense. Although I did fly ORD-TPA-ORD this past spring break and was really surprised at the large number of elites.

It seems to me that in order to add a row of F on a narrowbody, you have to remove 2 rows of Y. With 120 Y seats (both Y+ and Y), taking out 2 rows of Y to get 12 F seats means only 108 Y seats. That would put the total seating at 120 seats, versus 128.

Right now, a A319 has close to the same seating as an MD-80 with Y+ (135). Otherwise, an A319 would have fewer seats than the 727-100s at retirement (125) and only 23 more seats than the F100s, before MRTC (97).

I'm curious as to when ORD will get the A319. Considering that ORD still has a lot of MD-80s, it seems to me that a lot of those flights would makes sense for the A319s, as well as some of the Eagle routes using all CRJs. Yes, I know many of those will get the larger Embrears owned by Republic, but I would gather that some of these routes could use an A319 during peak times of the day.

But, here is the interesting quesiton. What will replace the MD-80s out of ORD to LGA and DFW? ORD-DFW is just about all MD-80s, and ORD-LGA has more MD-80s than 738s. Considering the number of elites on those routes, only have A319s with 8 seats in F could lead to a lot of angry customers who have been used to getting ugrades.


User currently offlinelindberghflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12000 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 93):

One can only hope that AA will maintain the 12f variant of the 319 from the US side and deploy those on the more business oriented and elite heavy routes. Even with US's slots AA will be at a significant disadvantage to DL at LGA and putting the 8F 319 up against 12f 717s and e175 could be the final straw for AA in NYC.


User currently offlinesuperjeff From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11828 times:
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Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 4):
ICT and MEM surprise me. Do they even fly mainline to these cities?

Yes. MEM and ICT both have mainline - usually MD80's


User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11667 times:
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Quoting lindberghflyer (Reply 94):
Even with US's slots AA will be at a significant disadvantage to DL at LGA and putting the 8F 319 up against 12f 717s and e175 could be the final straw for AA in NYC.

It will likely be a long time before we see any AA 319s in the NYC market, but even if they did send them in AA's new inflight hard product in these planes should be far superior to DL's 717s and e175s.


User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11651 times:

Quoting lindberghflyer (Reply 94):

AA's A319s may only have 8F, but everything else will give them a competitive advantage, especially if fares are good. All new deliveries will come with nose to tail PTV with 110V AC and USB power ports with new seats. Exciting times are in AA's future. Its a shame that they can't 1 stop me OKC to ANC.......



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User currently offlinelindberghflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11441 times:

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 96):

This should be interesting to watch. DL is obviously placing a huge emphasis on the NY business flyer market (right now you cannot walk 10 feet in midtown without seeing one of their signs). AA seems to betting that they can beat DLs quantity of premium seats (and routes, and slots) with higher quality. I hope it works. I guess if it doesn't, DP can just retreat to Philly.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2880 posts, RR: 5
Reply 99, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11256 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 93):
But, here is the interesting quesiton. What will replace the MD-80s out of ORD to LGA and DFW? ORD-DFW is just about all MD-80s, and ORD-LGA has more MD-80s than 738s. Considering the number of elites on those routes, only have A319s with 8 seats in F could lead to a lot of angry customers who have been used to getting ugrades

Good question, I was thinking the 319 will fly long thin routes or shorter destinations from DFW that can't quite fill a 738.
I think ORD will receive a mix of 319/321 and 738 aircraft eventually as the M80s fade into the distance, and DFW will see about the same, both hubs have reasons to have both types operating to a myriad of destinations. I wonder where AA will fly the very last revenue M80 flight? I'm guessing ORD-DFW. Can't wait to see the new planes where ever I fly.



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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11201 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 99):
I think ORD will receive a mix of 319/321 and 738 aircraft eventually as the M80s fade into the distance

At what rate is AA retiring their MD80s? Is it still pretty much 1-for-1 as 738s are delivered?


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11217 times:
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Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 97):
AA's A319s may only have 8F, but everything else will give them a competitive advantage, especially if fares are good. All new deliveries will come with nose to tail PTV with 110V AC and USB power ports with new seats

I read yesterday on Jetnet that the PTVs will only be free in First Class, in economy passengers will have to pay for their use.


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11083 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 101):
I read yesterday on Jetnet that the PTVs will only be free in First Class, in economy passengers will have to pay for their use.

That seems like a dumb idea, considering that using the PTVs on the 777 in Y have been free.


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11045 times:
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Quoting ckfred (Reply 102):
That seems like a dumb idea, considering that using the PTVs on the 777 in Y have been free.

Actually I re-read the article, basic will remain free, but there will be premium selections available for extra charge. That makes more sense.


User currently offlineSkyTeam7488 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10961 times:

If anyone is interested, it looks like they are starting 9/16 with 3 frames. Rotation looks as follows:

1728-DFW/7:25-CLT/10:50
1343-CLT/11:30-DFW/13:20
1822-DFW/14:05-CLE/17:40
1275-CLE/18:20-DFW/20:10
1826-DFW/20:55-ICT/22:10

2230-ICT/07:00-DFW/08:20
0577-DFW/09:15-ICT/10:30
1475-ICT/11:10-DFW/12:30
1406-DFW/13:15-CLT/16:35
1243-CLT/17:20-DFW/19:15
0658-DFW/20:00-CLE/23:30

1003-CLE/06:15-DFW/08:05
1468-DFW/08:50-MEM/10:20
1429-MEM/11:00-DFW/12:35
1220-DFW/13:20-MEM/14:45
1073-MEM/15:25-DFW/17:05

Those RON times don't seem like they're enough for crew rest, how would AA handle this? CDO trips?



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 105, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10753 times:

It'd be very interesting to see an AA A319 at MEX at some point.


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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2368 posts, RR: 3
Reply 106, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10710 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 4):
ICT and MEM surprise me. Do they even fly mainline to these cities?

Yes, ICT is mainline. 100% MD-80 service.



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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 107, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10592 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 105):

With Mexico City being such a Premium heavy market I doubt we will ever see it flying there.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 108, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10533 times:

Quoting aacun (Reply 107):
With Mexico City being such a Premium heavy market I doubt we will ever see it flying there.

Good point. 8 domestic first seats is very little; I had not paid attention to that piece of info.



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User currently offlineAA773 From UK - England, joined Jun 2013, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10503 times:

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 97):

Might be sooner than you think ... It's already been announced that LGA Cabin crew will be trained on the A319 starting in September this year .


User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10474 times:
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Quoting AA773 (Reply 109):

Just a minute! I believe the training is a dual training qual and we will be both A319 and 321 qualified once we attend. So the training for LGA F/A's is probably in anticipation of the 3 class A321 service that will start late fall IIRC.....


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10444 times:
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Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 101):
I read yesterday on Jetnet that the PTVs will only be free in First Class, in economy passengers will have to pay for their use.
pmCO started this in their domestic fleet when they put DirecTV in their 737-700s and 738s.

[Edited 2013-06-03 11:38:39]

User currently offlinelindberghflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10404 times:

Quoting aacun (Reply 107):

I don't know about that , I actually think its a good candidate, I've seen the F cabin half full on dfw-mex and I've sat next to golds and non-elites that were upgraded. I suppose it depends on the time of day and week, but I think a lot of the flights are full of low yielding traffic. I do know that when I fly through dfw to mex on business the j fares are not that high, and when I flew leisure the updgrade cleared at 100 hrs every time. Clearly there are too many j seats on this route. That said I am not at all a fan of this configuration, and like a lot of people who fly paid j/f for business but upgrade when I fly for leisure, I will be monitoring how this effects AAdvantage. I live in a city where I have a lot of options and globally, Delta and united fly to so many more places than AA/US. AAdvantage is really what's keeping my business. And no i really dont care about the new AVOD or MCE. If my upgrade clearance starts to drop to the same levels as it would at united, I might as well fly on united. Same thing with delta. my wife already bugs me that my SWUs dont work on qantas and AA doesnt fly to australia. Thats just one example. So I hope that they keep these planes confined to specific routes and I hope that this is not a harbinger of what is to come (8f a320?? 12f 737-8??), or else I will book away faster than you can say "status match".


User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10437 times:

Here's some food for thought. What if AA had 2 versions of this aircraft? BA has multiple different layouts on all its A320 family aircraft. Some are premium heavy for inter-Europe, while their domestic UK aircraft don't have premium seating.

Additionally, when US and AA merge, they will have 2 different variants of the A319 anyways.

Perhaps we will see different seating variations when the fleet grows.



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User currently offlineAA773 From UK - England, joined Jun 2013, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10419 times:

You are correct , my bad .. I'd forgotten about the transcons A321s   

[Edited 2013-06-03 11:50:25]

User currently offlineN659AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10396 times:

Quoting SkyTeam7488 (Reply 104):
Quoting SkyTeam7488 (Reply 104):
If anyone is interested, it looks like they are starting 9/16 with 3 frames. Rotation looks as follows:

1728-DFW/7:25-CLT/10:50
1343-CLT/11:30-DFW/13:20
1822-DFW/14:05-CLE/17:40
1275-CLE/18:20-DFW/20:10
1826-DFW/20:55-ICT/22:10

2230-ICT/07:00-DFW/08:20
0577-DFW/09:15-ICT/10:30
1475-ICT/11:10-DFW/12:30
1406-DFW/13:15-CLT/16:35
1243-CLT/17:20-DFW/19:15
0658-DFW/20:00-CLE/23:30

1003-CLE/06:15-DFW/08:05
1468-DFW/08:50-MEM/10:20
1429-MEM/11:00-DFW/12:35
1220-DFW/13:20-MEM/14:45
1073-MEM/15:25-DFW/17:05

Those RON times don't seem like they're enough for crew rest, how would AA handle this? CDO trips?

In both ICT and CLE there is a "mid day breakout" so the who brings in the terminating aircraft would take the departure of the turn the following day. Likewise, the crew who brings in the day time arrival takes the first departure the next morning.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9564 posts, RR: 11
Reply 116, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10331 times:

Quoting aacun (Reply 12):
The first one has its tail already painted. Theres pics on jetnet. Im wondering if we will get our first look at the airplane once it is completely painted at the Paris Air Show.

aacun, do you have the link to the jetnet website?

A388


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 117, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10270 times:

Quoting lindberghflyer (Reply 112):
I actually think its a good candidate, I've seen the F cabin half full on dfw-mex and I've sat next to golds and non-elites that were upgraded. I suppose it depends on the time of day and week, but I think a lot of the flights are full of low yielding traffic. I do know that when I fly through dfw to mex on business the j fares are not that high, and when I flew leisure the updgrade cleared at 100 hrs every time.

A colleague of mine who is based on DFW and whose firm does a lot of business in Mexico mentioned to me that it is usually easy to get upgraded and that sometimes AA offers paid upgrades upon check-in for quite decent sums of money.



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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10210 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 116):

The pics hacpve been posted here already. See post number 20.


User currently offlinelindberghflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10180 times:

The tail looks better this way than it does when it comes down in the (incomplete, 12 stripe) triangle. It actually looks decent. Too bad they won't leave it that way.

User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10000 times:
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Quoting oc2dc (Reply 113):
Here's some food for thought. What if AA had 2 versions of this aircraft? BA has multiple different layouts on all its A320 family aircraft. Some are premium heavy for inter-Europe, while their domestic UK aircraft don't have premium seating.

Additionally, when US and AA merge, they will have 2 different variants of the A319 anyways.

There's not a problem with 2 variants as long as they have the same hard product - unfortunately there's going to be a huge difference between the US and AA A319 hard products!!!


Overall I see AA's decision to go with 8F as a huge fail here not because of the low number of seats but because half of these seats will be bulkhead seats!!!

As an EXP who is willing to buy F tickets I'd preferentially by a ticket in coach and sit in an MCE seat than pay for an F ticket at the bulkhead if those were the only 4 seats left in the F cabin.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9564 posts, RR: 11
Reply 121, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9492 times:

Quoting aacun (Reply 118):
Quoting A388 (Reply 116):


The pics hacpve been posted here already. See post number 20.

Hey aacun, I know they have but I am interested in seeing the website itself.

A388


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2088 posts, RR: 15
Reply 122, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9402 times:

Is DFW-YYZ a lower-yielding route? I would imagine there would be more F demand for this flight.


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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2541 posts, RR: 28
Reply 123, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9396 times:
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Everyone is talking about how its a failure to take delivery with only 8 F Seats on the 319.... yet they forget there will be an equal number of A321s with amazing F and J class seating for markets that actually demand such seating.

Let's be real. Lubbock, CLT, CLE and Wichita are not exactly premium markets with high demand for people who PAY for F class seats.... It probably makes more sense to keep people in Y or MCE with status, than it does to remove seats for people who aren't willing to pay.

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User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 103):
Actually I re-read the article, basic will remain free, but there will be premium selections available for extra charge. That makes more sense.

Does anyone know when the new 737's will be delivered with the new in-seat entertainment installed?


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 125, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8760 times:
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Does any one know the Miam A319 Plans to colombia ?

User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 126, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8368 times:
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I flew a trip two days ago and the mechanic told me they had just ordered a new tow-bar and he thinks it is for airbus equipment.

User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8010 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 121):
Hey aacun, I know they have but I am interested in seeing the website itself.

Jetnet is an employee website. You won't be able to see anything unless you login. I can assure you that you aren't missing out on much. Most of the stuff on there is public knowledge anyway.

Quoting miaami (Reply 124):
Does anyone know when the new 737's will be delivered with the new in-seat entertainment installed?

Don't take my word for it, but I recall hearing something about receiving 737's with the new Y toward the end of this year. I don't understand why they are waiting so long to install them. Perhaps they wanted to roll out the new Y product on the A319 first.



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User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7898 times:

Quoting miaami (Reply 124):
Does anyone know when the new 737's will be delivered with the new in-seat entertainment installed?

this info was provide on employee website on 6/3/13

"later this year we will start taking deliveries of 737-800 aircraft with leather seats and in-seat IFE. "

So, considering it's already June, I would guess that means 3Q4Q this year.

AA ORD


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2880 posts, RR: 5
Reply 129, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

Quoting AA777 (Reply 123):
Everyone is talking about how its a failure to take delivery with only 8 F Seats on the 319.... yet they forget there will be an equal number of A321s with amazing F and J class seating for markets that actually demand such seating.

Makes me wonder what other markets may see the premium heavy 321s? Especially when AA is facing the retirement of the 757 in domestic markets. The route I am thinking of is LAX-BNA, which is a premium heavy route, at least the times I've flown it. I agree they may not need both F & J there, but definitely a need for more than 8 F seats.



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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7515 times:
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Quoting aacun (Reply 126):
I flew a trip two days ago and the mechanic told me they had just ordered a new tow-bar and he thinks it is for airbus equipment.


The 737-800 and the Airbus family will use the same twobar. Probably just extra equipment.


User currently offlineAAplat4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

Quoting AA777 (Reply 123):
Everyone is talking about how its a failure to take delivery with only 8 F Seats on the 319.... yet they forget there will be an equal number of A321s with amazing F and J class seating for markets that actually demand such seating.


Let's be real. Lubbock, CLT, CLE and Wichita are not exactly premium markets with high demand for people who PAY for F class seats.... It probably makes more sense to keep people in Y or MCE with status, than it does to remove seats for people who aren't willing to pay.



The A321 has nothing to do with the A319 for passengers who are not going to be traveling in the 321 AA markets (basically LAX & SFO to JFK). In any event, it remains to be seen whether the A321 configuration will be successful. It is all speculative right now, but we have to assume that the US management team will be reviewing this post-merger. I'm also impressed with DL's response in adding 763s between JFK and LAX. Passengers generally will prefer the twin isle aircraft.

As for these secondary tier (if not third or fourth tier) markets for the A319, many of these markets make little sense for launching a new aircraft like this, particularly when it continues to shlep MD80s on routes 1500nm and above. It really does appear that AA management continues to make questionable decisions. Is it any wonder that US was able to acquire them in bankruptcy?


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9564 posts, RR: 11
Reply 132, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7455 times:

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 127):
Jetnet is an employee website. You won't be able to see anything unless you login. I can assure you that you aren't missing out on much. Most of the stuff on there is public knowledge anyway.

Thanks for the explanation oc2dc. At least someone took the time to explain this  


Someone else already asked this question but does AA have any plans to use this first A319 to MIA as well? When will the first AA Airbus be flying to MIA on a scheduled basis?

A388


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7257 times:

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 120):
As an EXP who is willing to buy F tickets I'd preferentially by a ticket in coach and sit in an MCE seat than pay for an F ticket at the bulkhead if those were the only 4 seats left in the F cabin.

Interesting. Back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, my father loved the bulkhead, both in coach and first class. The meant no one dropping a seat to take away knee room. Of course, that was back when checked bags were free, and he just traveled with a slim briefcase that would fit in the overhead (or stored in the closet before the overhead bins).

Quoting AA777 (Reply 123):
Everyone is talking about how its a failure to take delivery with only 8 F Seats on the 319.... yet they forget there will be an equal number of A321s with amazing F and J class seating for markets that actually demand such seating.

Won't a fair number of the A321s be in a two-class configurations, to replace the non-international 757s?


User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7164 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 133):
Won't a fair number of the A321s be in a two-class configurations, to replace the non-international 757s?

Yes, there will be at least 2 variations of the A321. We already know about the A321T(aka the A321 Transcon, used for JFK-LAX/SFO with 10F/20J/36MCE/36Y). We have yet to hear about the regular A321s that will be used to replace the 757s.

I would assume they will have a similar layout to current 757s. Perhaps around 20J/160Y/MCE. I don't think AA will be taking delivery of the regular A321 until they get all their A321Ts to replace the 762s starting in Oct/Nov.



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User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6911 times:
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Quoting oc2dc (Reply 134):


I would assume they will have a similar layout to current 757s. Perhaps around 20J/160Y/MCE. I don't think AA will be taking delivery of the regular A321 until they get all their A321Ts to replace the 762s starting in Oct/Nov.

I doubt the regular A321s will be as premium heavy as the 757s. If the A319 is any indication they'll likely have 16F on the A321 which would also be consistent with the number of F seats on the US A321s.


User currently offlineAAplat4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

Didn't the F100 have only 8 seats in First Class? Not really an apples to apples comparison, but it does seem as if AA is hell bent on alienating its top tier passengers.

User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 136):
Didn't the F100 have only 8 seats in First Class? Not really an apples to apples comparison, but it does seem as if AA is hell bent on alienating its top tier passengers.

Yes, but remember that before "More Room Throughout Coach", there were only 89 seats in Y. After MRTC was introduced, Y was cut down to 79 seats.

If you look at the ratios of Y to F on the F100 with MRTC, it was 9.88:1.

The F100 before MRTC was 11.13:1.

The A319 is 15:1.

The MD-80 with MCE, it's 7.44:1.

The 757, with 22 seats in F and 166 in Y, it's 7.55:1.

If the A319 were to have 12 seats in F, then (assuming only 108 seats in Y), the ratio is 9:1.

Clearly, relative to the rest of the fleet, the initial configuration of the A319 presents a lesser opportunity for elites to upgrade. But, if you have smaller mainline aircraft, it generally skews towards fewer F seats, relative to Y.

Although, the ratio of F seats to Y seats on the CRJ700 is 1:6. I almost think that 9 seats in F is too many, with only 54 seats in Y.


User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1038 posts, RR: 1
Reply 138, posted (10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5814 times:

I guess someone didn't believe me when I said that US aircraft would be painted after merger closing in sept or after sept so they decided to send the question into our internal communication news letter " About US" . I guess I stand correct but not really ..
Q. I recently read on airliners.net where someone said
he had a source that told him that all of the US aircraft deliveries that are arriving after the close of the merger in August will be delivered in the American Airlines brand. Could you confirm if this is true or if it is just imaginative thinking from either the poster or his “source?”
A. We checked with David Seymour, senior vice president, Operations, who told us: All of the remaining deliveries
for 2013 will be delivered in the current US livery and configuration. We can’t make any changes to our aircraft until after the merger closes.


User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 507 posts, RR: 1
Reply 139, posted (10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5607 times:
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Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 130):

Nope. Verified it last night. It is actually an Airbus part that fits the tow bar so that it can be used for the Airbus. im just telling you what he told me.. He also said most 737 stations in latin America are also getting this part. Do you have any idea what this part may be and for what?


User currently offlinekd5mdk From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 137):
Although, the ratio of F seats to Y seats on the CRJ700 is 1:6. I almost think that 9 seats in F is too many, with only 54 seats in Y.

The CR7 is scope limited, not space.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 129):
Makes me wonder what other markets may see the premium heavy 321s? Especially when AA is facing the retirement of the 757 in domestic markets. The route I am thinking of is LAX-BNA, which is a premium heavy route, at least the times I've flown it. I agree they may not need both F & J there, but definitely a need for more than 8 F seats.

Why wouldn't they fly a 738 on that route? It has 16 F seats. The A319 isn't anywhere near becoming AA's primary aircraft.


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5401 times:
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Quoting aacun (Reply 139):
Nope. Verified it last night. It is actually an Airbus part that fits the tow bar so that it can be used for the Airbus. im just telling you what he told me.. He also said most 737 stations in latin America are also getting this part. Do you have any idea what this part may be and for what?

Local aircraft maintenance as well as stores told me its the same towbar. In fact we have already marked all of our 737 tow bars as "737/A319/320/321"


User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 130):
The 737-800 and the Airbus family will use the same twobar

The A320 family and 737 family use completely different towbars. The hitch on the A320 nosewheel is considerably larger than that of the 737.



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User currently offlinenwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 687 posts, RR: 14
Reply 143, posted (10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4953 times:

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 142):
The A320 family and 737 family use completely different towbars. The hitch on the A320 nosewheel is considerably larger than that of the 737.

Some towbars work for both. When I worked the ramp we routinely used the same towbars for 737 and 320 family series aircraft. The 757 was the only one that required a different towbar.



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User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4953 times:

Quoting nwcoflyer (Reply 143):

When I worked for UA in ANC and SEA, the 733/5 and A319/20 both used different towbars. It was the same when I worked for HP in SEA and then LAS. Maybe its the same now, but I haven't touched a 737 or A320 since 2005.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 145, posted (10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

Quoting kd5mdk (Reply 140):
Quoting ckfred (Reply 137):Although, the ratio of F seats to Y seats on the CRJ700 is 1:6. I almost think that 9 seats in F is too many, with only 54 seats in Y.
The CR7 is scope limited, not space.

When AA first took delivery of the CRJ 700, it had 70 seats. I don't think scope has anything to do with the 9F 54Y. Although, in putting in 3 rows of F (3 seats in each row), they took out 4 rows of Y (4 seats in each row). If you took out a row of F, I'm not sure you could get 2 rows of Y back in.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3963 posts, RR: 8
Reply 146, posted (10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 144):
When I worked for UA in ANC and SEA, the 733/5 and A319/20 both used different towbars. It was the same when I worked for HP in SEA and then LAS. Maybe its the same now, but I haven't touched a 737 or A320 since 2005.

I worked for HP in 2005 and our towbars fit both 733 and A319/320. 757 had its own. Probably depends on the towbar manufacturer.


User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 145):
When AA first took delivery of the CRJ 700, it had 70 seats. I don't think scope has anything to do with the 9F 54Y. Although, in putting in 3 rows of F (3 seats in each row), they took out 4 rows of Y (4 seats in each row). If you took out a row of F, I'm not sure you could get 2 rows of Y back in.

Actually, scope does have something to do with the configuration. Eagle was limited to how many 70 seat CRJ aircraft they could operate. They were allowed to expand their CRJ-700 fleet by reducing the amount of seats on the plane, which meant adding F and lower seat count all together.



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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 848 posts, RR: 3
Reply 148, posted (10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 146):

I was about to say the same thing. In ABQ we had common 737/Airbus towbar. And a 757 towbar.
Has to be the manufacturer.

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